Would Terminator 2 be a better movie had Michael Biehn played the T-1000 as was initially planned? Skynet wanted to mindfrick Sarah and John and created a prototype in the image of Kyle Reese.
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No. Robert Patrick absolutely nailed that role. T2's theatrical cut is perfect and simply cannot be improved in any way.
I agree he was perfect for the role. Still I think it would be interesting twist if Biehn was T-1000 but as the other anon said, maybe a bit too much.
I agree on the theatrical release. The only scene that is missing is the chip reset. Other than that the additional scenes of the special edition ruin the pacing and even the story.
I think if they'd gotten Biehn to play the T-1000 they would have had to make it a completely different movie.
Off the top of my head the scene where Sarah shoots him before he gets knocked into the lava would need a totally different buildup, and the scene where he first appears to her in the psych ward would have gone totally differently.
>Kyle? Kyle!
>T-1000 starts morphing through the bars
>pic related mimicking the first movie
Could be kino.
>the chip reset
IDK, them flipping a tiny dip switch seemed a little weird.
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See https://youtube.com/watch?v=fYTOK89w8h0 about 1:20
What's the issue? They remove the chip and put it back in. It's a hard reset. He probably needed to reset the kernel to apply the change, but as long as the chip is socketed in it's powered up.
they implied that a switch was flicked
https://screencrush.com/terminator-2-deleted-scene-computer-chip/
Oh I get what you mean now. Why is it a problem that it's a hardware pin? The implication is that Skynet is letting some of them learn and then harvest them to update a batch of next infiltrators to be more human, and possibly some of the units develop feelings and their own goals and are useless for Skynet. Wouldn't it make more sense to make universal chips on the conveyor belt instead of specialized factories for learning units?
this scene is dumb melodrama wisely deleted but i always thought the t1000 in john's bedroom was essential. not only is it insanely creepy it also explains how the t1000 got to the mental hospital
>it also explains how the t1000 got to the mental hospital
The opening scene with T-1000 using the police car console to locate John easily explains how he finds Sarah. The room scene is unnecessary.
it doesn't because "police car consoles" lol are extremely basic and incidentally he didn't use that to find her anyway he used john's room
>it doesn't because "police car consoles" lol are extremely basic
???? He literally types in John Connor and finds his address. The room is not in theatrical release which we are talking about so he didn't use it to find her.
what does that have to do with accessing mental health records which are much more restricted otherwise he would have done that which wouldn't have made any sense. it doesn't make any sense how he found sarah using the LOL police car console which is just your head cannon
He doesn't have to access her mental health records, all he needs is her address, which is Pescadero as she is a lifer. She would have a criminal record of domestic terrorism with mental eval visible to any cop on the console. What are you even on about. Watch any cop bodycam video on youtube, background check is the most basic thing and at worst he would call the central and imitate a cop to get a callback with her info.
first off wrong, second off, not in the movie. so while your headcannon doesn't exist the other scene might have been deleted (noncannon) but it was how he found her
>second off, not in the movie
they aren't mental patients what you are describing isn't in the movie >-<;;
Are you having a jiggle mate?
alls i'm saying bruv is he had to find sarah through john's room not the (lol?) police car thing. which james cameron knew
Fr bruv cap.
He already knew where Sarah was, or learned quickly but using police resources.
His target was John Connor; after getting the phone call at the step-parents house he realized John knows he can't go back there, so where else would John go? The asylum obviously
obviously he knew where she was. which is why he discovered where she was from infiltrating john's bedroom
Yeah, he's flowing his hands like Adrian Monk, but picking up DNA samples or something instead.
what do you have against the directors cut?
im not a big fan of that mirror scene, fricking kid eyeballs the camera lens twice, all the other quick additions are great imo
No that would have been too too much
T-1000 should have been played by different actors within the movie.
It's completely moronic that an infiltration unit with shapeshifting capabilities would always revert back to that one specific dude.
It should've also tried to impersonate the T-800.
No bully if that actually happened, I haven't seen the movie in ages.
I got the impression it could only become people it touches. It killed John's foster mom and stabbed Sarah before impersonating them. Fat security guard stepped on it. I'm pretty sure Robert Patrick is a Resistance fighter in the future that it kills then replicates. There might be something in the movie that contradicts this but I can't remember.
>I'm pretty sure Robert Patrick is a Resistance fighter in the future that it kills then replicates.
In the video game something similar happens
It needs something of the same volume to copy so the short fat security guard is ok, but Ahnuld is taller and bulkier.
Could just make hollow bubbles in his body to accomodate the size.
It doesn't work that way
>can become a floor
>can't become a balloon
I call bullshit.
Hell on T:TSCC the other prototype became a urinal.
>Hell on T:TSCC the other prototype became a urinal.
What the frick?
She's Garbage.
No it doesn't. It can just be hallow in the middle. Arnold isn't the hulk, it's not much difference in structure and mass.
>T-1000 should have been played by different actors within the movie
That's what happens, you idiot.
>always revert back to that one specific dude
Nah, you're the idiot here, on top of being a moronic speedreader.
Your idea is cool on paper but in practice the audience needs a tangible enemy to root against. That's why T-1000 has a baseline form.
I meant that for action movies. T2 would have to be a slow burner for that kind of horror.
honestly just a short scene with him shifting into Biehn to frick with Sarah would have been kino
>Michael Biehn
what ever happened to him
he just disappears.
Damn he really is a raging alcoholic isn't he? Nice trips btw.
>net worth $212m
How’d that happen?
Getting residuals from James Cameron movies will do that to you
the charges offic- ack!
>Jigsaw puts the T-1000 in the Reverse Bear Trap
>T-1000 looks him in the eyes and simply pulls it off through his own head
>rest of the movie is Jigsaw forced to cooperate with Sarah and John to defeat the T-1000
>But at the climax, Jigsaw refuses to go through with killing it...
In essence it is the perfect action film. Not everything, but much of that fact was Robert Patrick being cast and his performance. People really underestimate the importance of finding the right guy, you couldn't just cast a stoic looking actor who could play a heavy. I don't think Biehn could have done this role, I don't think a young Lee Marvin could have pulled this off as well tbh. The intensity and execution of detail Robert brought was essential. Plus it would be hack-y and time consuming if Cameron brought Biehn back to play on the sentiments of the two main characters. Instead he kept it lean and mean with an actor who could sell the audience the idea on an unconscious level that he could utterly destroy robot Arnold in a fight.
True. But T2 is only the perfect action film because it's a sequel of the perfect slasher film, so it gets away with not explaining things, as they already were explained. Basically what a sequel should be. I prefer T1 but both movies are perfect in their own genres.
>Plus it would be hack-y and time consuming if Cameron brought Biehn back to play on the sentiments of the two main characters
Well he actually did do that, it was only not included in the theatrical release
Robert Patrick never blinked when firing his weapon, thats some fricking skill.
And Arnold burned himself down to his endoskeleton and had only one year to regrow his skin back for Commando.
>do you have any photos of John sleeping?
What did he mean by this
That's just a moronic fan theory. Both Terminators were sent back at the same time in the future. That, and Skynet wouldn't have been able to analyze anything about the events in T1 because it has no way of looking into the past.
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Man I wish we would get a Terminator war movie that is exact copy of the future war, with aesthetics and deep fakes of Biehn and young Arnold, Franco Columbu, and the guy who portrayed John at the beginning of T2. The machines shot as practical figures with stop motion and the footage enhanced by AI motion to make it look way better than any CGI.
>the lava factory?
Imagine the T-1000 turning into 12yo Nikki Coxx and literally fricking John to death haha
Hackeron should stop stealing from established sci fi writers.
ed furlong was insanely cute shota hot in this movie
It would only have an impact in like one scene where they meet though.
Billy idol was the original choice. Frick knows how that would have looked.
>IT’S A NICE DAY TO
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Billy could look menacing I reckon but I'm not sure a British accent is scary enough in this context.
Not possible. T2 is already the perfect action movie. It has not been topped even by it´s director´s cut (it ruins the pacing) a virtue it shares with only one other film as far as i am aware: Apocalypse now.
>T2 is already the perfect action movie
Shit taste
>topped even by it´s director´s cut
Shit at English
Checks out.
Predator is a perfect action movie.
T2 is imperfect because it is incomplete; it relies on you having seen another film to be fully effective.
Skynet doesn't know who Kyle Reese is. Even Sarah Connor is only a name.
The better question is if T1 would have been better if arnold played reece and OJ simpson played the t800 (as was the first casting pitch)
I liked his flash back scene in part 2
But Patrick was perfect as liquid metal man so I’m glad he was cast
Since the T1000 could shapeshift, I wonder why it had a standard “look” it stuck to. Even when it changed its outfit
Why didn’t he just take the cops face he killed as well as replicating his uniform?
The polyalloy probably saved a default configuration to conserve processing power or something. When he gets frozen and is blown to pieces, after he reconfigures himself back you can see him being misaligned. The top of his body has the default cop uniform and the bottom is from the motocycle shapeshift with the boots.
Other cops would still be looking for the missing cop, taking his outfit but keeping a distinct face is the most logical course of action.
johns room scene isn't necessary for the plot, t-1000 has access to everything he needs in cop form
this is untrue but i accept it for a number of reasons i'm just taking the piss
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