Would the Vong have been better antagonists than the First Order?
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Would the Vong have been better antagonists than the First Order?
Would the Vong have been better antagonists than the First Order?
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The vong were controversial and widely disliked for years, pretending the EU was this universally beloved thing is revisionist history by autismos crying about Disney, just like how late millennials/genz pretend the prequels are good.
There used to be wookiepedia threads atleast weekly laughing at what moronic autism the EU as a whole was but now it's sacred canon because MUH MOUSE.
>that moronic slug monster halloween mask in the canteena that the camera pans over for a millisecond? He was actually an ex-jedi bounty hunter and Han Solo's greatest rival in love.
Qrd on hidden lore slug? I wanna know what it looks like
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Momaw_Nadon
>that moronic slug monster halloween mask in the canteena that the camera pans over for a millisecond? He was actually an ex-jedi bounty hunter and Han Solo's greatest rival in love.
DIsney is doing the exact same shit now though
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/From_a_Certain_Point_of_View
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Of_MSE-6_and_Men#Reception
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Baptist
>The story focuses on the dianoga in the Death Star's garbage chute.
>released on October 3, 2017
Whoever made this image is pathetic
is this animation from a show? i was expecting it to be a porn parody
it's a parody
The best part is the artist is the dbaf guy
part of me is happy he turned his fanart into a career but sometimes he really is shit at it.
Vong was always dogshit, the material was 8/10ths unreadable when it was mainstay EU I am yet to meet someone that truly enjoys this crap, I take that back, I’ve met one person that told me I need to give them a chance and read more on them, we don’t talk anymore, he got a wife and kids.
>he got a wife and kids
And you?
Old EU anon here. Used to discuss the books in AOL chat rooms
There was a lot of criticism towards EU but the fandom still thrived and went along with it. With Disney you see abject apathy and people just walking away. Totally different
R rated star wars would have been pretty kino
they look extremely monstrous for the wimpy star wars franchise. They look like hellraiser beings.
They look more fitting for 40k.
indeed they would fit right in 40k. Kill off the wimpy Tau and bring these ugly buttholes in.
>Kill off the wimpy Tau and bring these ugly buttholes in.
So easy to tell when someone just got raped by Tau at their LGS.
No they dont, they would get buttraped in 40k and end up as a fusnote in the record of some galactic crusade
>there were these xenos there that had a custom op putting needles into what appeared to be they genitals
>they are not there any more, praise be
Tau are gay and wimpy, these guys look ugly and would fit right. Add chaos etc they would be fine as tau replacements.
its the troony gay homosexual tau that do not fit in 40k,
I think they only added the tau cause those japanese robots were popular
The whachamacallit, gundag gundam gunkdam whatarethey
Aren't the Tau slavers?
Off course not anon, the tau are inclusive
Regardless they would be better as a giger type of race in 40k than the tau.
This. The power levels in 40k are usually heavily underestimated even by fans
>there were these xenos there that had a custom op putting needles into what appeared to be they genitals
No, they were loathed in the EU community.
That's what Star Wars needs, a genocidal monster-mash swarm faction that murders everything in their path.
Yes.
Disney made an absolutely fatal War planning mistake when they did what they did. They should have taken advantage of the story structure and already existing canon in the books and created something that was much similar to that, if not almost exactly the same. They did pay some odd billions for this property, after all. If they stuck to that storyline, any criticism that came their way could have been deflected by saying that they were sticking to Lucas's original plan, until it became financially necessary to distance themselves from said plan if it was not successful. It was the perfect backup, and they just ignored it.
That way, the main block of Star Wars fans that existed at the time would not have been disenfranchised, and the fan base could only have grown from where it already was, instead of shrinking considerably and forcing Disney to fill their movies with political garbage to attract people that weren't interested in Star Wars in the first place. Don't tear down the house, build on the foundation that you already have.
Also, not having a solid storyline director to make sure that everything was coherent was another giant mistake that I really don't understand. This is the same company that simultaneously put out the first three phases of the Marvel cinematic Universe, and had produced the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy a decade before.
If I was disney, I would have dropped a blank check in front of the guy who did Pirates of the Caribbean and beg him to do the same thing for star wars.
Basically, if people end up not liking the bong on screen to the point of Disney needing to pivot their storyline, they can just kill them off in the course of a movie and go somewhere else. At least trying Lucas's original accepted canon would have been the safest and most secure bet.
Praise SOL
Anyone would've been a better antagonist than the First Order, including the First Order themselves, if they were written by someone competent.
As someone who owns every Star Wars novel from Thrawn to Abeloth, I despise how safe and sterile Disney canon is. Yeah huge swaths of the old eu were dumb, but at least it fricking tried different shit. Disney is made by committee and it really shows
It's weird hard they went with the yuuzhan vong. Not just the violence but how basically the entire franchise was revolving around their shit, even the prequels and ot.
Star Wars fans hate anything that isn't rebels vs empire.
Yes. Vong haters just didn't read NJO
Jar Jar and KK would have made them suck.
>alien from literally another galaxy
>still looks almost exactly like a human
BORING
Yet the fans still complained because supposedly they didn't look 'Star Wars' kek
The idea of a species that weren't connected to the Force and hated machines were fine. The snakes swords being able to fight lightsabers though was dumb
No, you can't just rush and jump right into the Vong right off the bat. They needed to build that up over a long time, it's more appropriate for a tv series. The Sequel Trilogy was meant to first show how the New Republic, the new Jedi Order, the main characters and their families had grown and changed. Then they'd find clues, hints, and evidence of some mystery out on the outer rim which ends up being the Vong coming to their galaxy and advance scouts already being there.
The main problem with star wars movies is that every trilogy has to be this gigantic spectacle that quickly introduces a new big bad villain then wraps everything up in a few hours while hitting all the right notes to entertain millions of mouthbreathers. There's only so many times you can do that before it gets moronic wondering where these new bad guys have been hiding while the previous war was going on. That's literally what led to the Vong since after Thrawn, Clone Palpatine, and a couple others, there wasn't a way to keep pretending there were dozens more serious bad guys hiding and waiting for their turn to attack the galaxy.
>The Sequel Trilogy was meant to first show how the New Republic, the new Jedi Order, the main characters and their families had grown and changed. Then they'd find clues, hints, and evidence of some mystery
So...basically what the original Thrawn Trilogy did? If they were going to copy EU why couldn't they just copy this instead of Somehow Sheev Returned one...
well they're bringing Thrawn back now for Disney, watch how Disney drones will cream their pants over how great he is or something
>jobbed in Rebels
>will be used as a le epic buildup/catalyst for the First Order™ and summarily job in Ahsoka
Thrawn's machinations are separate from the First Order, they said in Mando s3 that he's not in contact with either of the other two Remnant factions
does Disney still not understand that TLJ was such a colossal frickup that all of this old Star Wars pandering is pointless? why would i care about Thrawn when it just leads to Snoke and the First Order? why would i care that they're supposedly bringing back Luke when it leads to green titty milk? when are they retconning the sequels
never ever, die mad about it, incel. if I have to live with the prequels you have to live with the sequels
>b-b-but the prequels were actually good because I was 4 when Attack of the Clones came out
shut the frick up
the prequels suck too but that was George Lucas being too far up his own ass, it's not like the sequels where some vicious c**t intentionally went out of her way to destroy the legacy of Star Wars
Evil Gungans would've been better antagonists than le First Order.
No
I like their ship designs
i mean anything would be better than yet another rebel vs empires retread. there were still some cool ideas with the vong. like their history where they came about because they got caught in a war between two different races of droids was pretty cool.
yeah and all their technology being biological was also pretty unique. maybe the whole vong thing was misplayed in EU but there's still a lot of good ideas you can play with for movies/tv shows. unfortunately disney only cares about making propaganda now and kathleen kennedy just likes inserting herself into the films she produces.
Biotech ships are kino
It was a silly idea to have cross dimensional zombie like warriors who are zealots in Star Wars. However it brought us better expansion of Han, Luke, Leia, and their children. It also treated the droids pretty well. The good part outweighs how insufferable of a villain they are.
they just need to take out the Hellraiser edge and just make them a pure organic race than shuns machines and they would be fine
Except they need them to be seen as a "serious" villain that's worse than the Empire/Emperor. Something that won't surrender or be reasoned with, is a real threat that can kill main characters, and that has a chance of winning against the good guys and would do really bad things if they did win. How do you think the story could do that aside from making the villain over the top evil?
they don't need to self mutilate for that. The whole terraforming planets and destroying anything mechanical is enough.
ok, and what would be their personality then? autistic npcs? organic borgs? not mad or happy, but taking over everything? There's nothing scary about them otherwise and there'd be no reason for them to just eat everything in their path unless their evil or mindless somehow
They can still be religious zealots without the edgy self mutilating
No, the Vong are 40k tier. They really don't fit into that setting at all. They're Sci-fi Horror in a Sci-fi Fantasy. They'd fit better as a subset of Genestealers.
I didn't mind the vong plot but it ran for entirely too long
it was like 30 books and they stopped making stories that didn't involve them so if you didn't like it you were fricked
everyone was pretty pissed when they killed chewbacca to the point that there were stories on the evening news about it
Star Wars fans get REALLY mad when you change their story. It's no wonder that no one is ever really gone
That's a bit of a disingenuous counter to that specific bit of criticism. Yeah it's true the fandom has a huge issue with that, but having a race of edgelord 40k monsters attack and kill fricking Chewbacca of all things is transparently manufactured drama, and therefore unintentionally funny. "You just hate change" is a shitty comeback to someone pointing out how dumb and contrived a story gets when it's passed between a gajillion different writers of inconsistent quality.
>Star Wars fans were pissed when the EU gave a literal non-character an epic, heroic death
>Same Star Wars fans cheered when Han got murdered by his own son, Luke died ignominiously after failing at life, and Leia died off screen
Literally cannot take Star Wars fans seriously tbqh
I cheered when violent urban thug Greedo shot first
wanting greedo to shoot first is the liberal pussy mindset. George lucas got replaced with fricking body snatchers or something and went radical anti gun anti self defence which was his political reason for making greedo shoot first. It was a political statement that was saying han didnt have the right to shoot first because hes the good guy and good guys dont shoot first.
I always thought the Vong were cool.
They were extremely out of place in star wars, but that's the point.
They came from a different galaxy, meaning they truly are alien.
They also fleshed out palpatine as well. He wasn't just evil for the sake of it.
Sure, he wanted power and to rule, but he genuinely believed the Empire was needed to fight the Vong.
I think the whole force invulnerability thing was moronic, though.
star wars is simply not about civilizational struggles and fighting off the demon/alien horde. somebody at the early EU was a big 40k guy, that's it. people can complain all they want that star wars needs to grow and it can't just all be about a force user and his family, you are simply wrong. the story came first and the setting is dressing for it
they shouldn't have even gone into the future, they should've made KOTOR era movies
Do you really want to see Revan and Bastila handled like Luke, Leia, and Han were?
Yes, because KOTORgays are the most obnoxious people on the planet
Vong is such a stupid name
what would you call them, "shredders" or something gay like that?
No if I wanted to call them something gay I'd call them the Vong
>tfw when u quit the EU over NJO and years later read Foundation and realize a key plot point was flagrantly plagiarized
>then after you read Legacy and it wasn't that bad
What could have been
They can never ruin it now
The Vong don't fit in Star Wars. The First Order fit but are just copy pasted. There has to be a middle ground, like Sith, Mandalorians, or something like that.
They're from another galaxy, being alien like for even Star Wars fit perfectly
They should have allied with Waru
No the vong were moronic
>ultragigahomie space hellraiser aliens unaffected by the force(major lhore rape)
>shitty rehash of the defeated empire with 10000x more ships and shinier tech despite realistically having nowhere near the resources
both of these are fricking moronic
georges ideas of them dealing with crimelords are 100x better than what we actually got or what we could have gotten
Yea
After NJO there were still Gay Mandolorians and the Jedi Bug Orgy