No, they've always been lolbertarians who would rather make fun of an issue and propose a silly solution than a real one. They almost instantly became so rich that normal problems don't effect them anymore. Their thesis in Team America was "yeah, we gotta bomb some towelheads sometimes," manufacturing consent for the utterly pointless, decades long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost trillions of dollars and did nothing to "stabilize" the region
>Cinemaphile thinks that literally any part of Team America was meant to be taken seriously
Jesus fricking Christ this genuinely might be the most moronic board on Cinemaphile, like holy FRICKING shit
There is one part of it that should be taken seriously:
I miss you more than Michael Bay missed the mark,
when he made Pearl Harbor,
I miss you more than that movie missed the point,
and that's an awful lot, girl,
and now, now you've gone away,
and all I'm trying to say,
is Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you.
I need you like Ben Affleck needs acting school,
he was terrible in that film,
I need you like Cuba Gooding needed a bigger part,
he's way better than Ben Affleck,
and now, all I can think about is your smile,
and that shitty movie too,
Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you.
Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?
I guess Pearl Harbor sucked,
just a little bit more than I miss you.
Dude it had a song about everyone getting AIDs and Kim Jong Ill being an alien wienerroach. I don't think it had any deeper meaning than satire of Geo-Politics in the 2000s.
>who would rather make fun of an issue and propose a silly solution than a real one.
Yeah, no shit.
The central theme of South Park that overacting to inconsequential issues is how you turn imaginary problems into a real ones.
Why are you asking for "real solutions" from a show whose very premise was that the "issue" was silly to begin with?
"Issues that don't affect me aren't issues." is the most classic libertarian take there is.
So no surprise you're agreeing with libertarian propaganda.
>conservatives usually care about the well-being of society
they care about gdp growth. Not the actual people in society
6 months ago
Anonymous
they still push for christian societal values
Conservatives do nothing. Has not done nothing for many decades.
ESL
6 months ago
Anonymous
I am sorry I made a mistake. Guess I was make more several miss takes just for your.
6 months ago
Anonymous
please learn how you the language so fast so possibly the self better letting making can
6 months ago
Anonymous
Christian values is living as a beggar with minimal possessions, and preparing for the end of the world. Follow your God's commands, for fricking once.
6 months ago
Anonymous
i'm not a christian nor conservative, quit your angry projection and take a break from the internet. maybe take a shower, you fricking pothead
6 months ago
Anonymous
So........ different anon or just a generally angry anon who has no position or point. Hmmmm......
6 months ago
Anonymous
or your brain is too fried to follow a simple text chain
6 months ago
Anonymous
>they still push for christian societal values
I can read, thanks for your concern.
6 months ago
Anonymous
what are you arguing? conservatives do push for christian societal values. that's not a politically-biased take
6 months ago
Anonymous
I was not arguing, just bringing up what christian values actually ought to be, according to Christ himself. Since this wasn't an argument from the beginning, I guess you can be a little less angry and let this go.
6 months ago
Anonymous
kys stoner
6 months ago
Anonymous
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6 months ago
Anonymous
>Christian values is living as a beggar with minimal possessions, and preparing for the end of the world.
If that were mainstream Christian values then Christianity would not have survived the 2nd century.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Certain society-wide morality issues are also linked to conservatives, e.g., conservatives are more associated with a care for sexual purity in society, such as in some cases taking it to the extent of abstinence only education, or no education when it comes to sex-ed in schools. Libertarians tend far more to say "if it doesn't effect me then it doesn't matter."
"You are obligated to deal with problems that are not your fault or responsibility" is the most classic marxist take there is. So no surprise you're agreeing with marxist propaganda.
That’s not the central theme to south park tho. That flag is legit fricked up and presented as being fricked up. It’s not an overreaction to say it’s fricked up and want it changed. The episode was about most people in the town not caring and basically doing as little as possible to fix the issue with the flag because the imagery on the flag isn’t offending them. It’s offensive to someone else and they don’t really give a shit about that or understanding why that other person would find it offensive even though it’s pretty obvious as to why it would be.
>That’s not the central theme to south park tho
No, it definitely is.
The core development of the vast majority of episodes is a bunch of 10 year olds fricking around being 10 year olds, then some adults come in and escalate their minor conflicts into something that threatens the wellbeing of the entire town.
Nearly ever issue in the show would be resolved by just leaving it alone instead of allowing unrelated actors to butt in and appropriate it for their own agendas.
It isn’t tho. The theme of south park is “absurdity”.it isn’t “people overreacting”. In this episode it isn’t an overreaction to want the flag changed. Like stated, the flag’s imagery was fricked up and presented as fricked up. The flag itself and how people just kinda dismiss the criticism of it is **absurd**. Do they have episodes e]where people overreact? Sure, because reacting that way is ABSURD. But not seeing how someone would be offended by that flag is ALSO absurd even though nobody is really “overacting”. The solution at the end of the episode is also absurd. It’s still an image of a guy being lynched only now everyone is taking part in it.
You're missing the point of the episode, and the flag episode in particular is very explicit in what its purpose is.
The flag itself was never the real core issue. It was just a device to carry the actual plot, which was the townsfolk projecting racial prejudice where it didn't exist. They were so worked up in their own agendas that they tainting what was otherwise an educational civil exercise.
The outcome for the flag sucked as much as it did because the adults were too involved to allow it to resolve properly on its own.
That’s not the central theme to south park tho. That flag is legit fricked up and presented as being fricked up. It’s not an overreaction to say it’s fricked up and want it changed. The episode was about most people in the town not caring and basically doing as little as possible to fix the issue with the flag because the imagery on the flag isn’t offending them. It’s offensive to someone else and they don’t really give a shit about that or understanding why that other person would find it offensive even though it’s pretty obvious as to why it would be.
Wasn't the core theme of most early seasons "stop using kids in your political wars they genuinely have no idea what's going on beyond wanting some fricking snacks and getting the day off school?"
Typically speaking, the boys had an ulterior motive for getting involved in whatever debate was going on and the town was too dumb to realize
No, the boys were often more sensible than the adults. Example being the hate crime episode where Token getting hit by a white kid gets classified as a hate crime. If you watch the episode, you'll there are parts where the kids try to reason with the adults only to have the adults double down on something ridiculous and we see Stan and Kyle look at each other so we know at least they know that hate crime laws are stupid. In reality, not even the Zim Zam got a hate crime charge attempted against him even though he said "fricking coons" before approaching Tray Tray. Not to say it wasn't self defense, but "hate crime" is rarely used in court when it comes to assault between people of different races.
>they've always been lolbertarians who would rather make fun of an issue and propose a silly solution than a real one.
Yeah, it's not their fricking job.
They're voters and providing commentary. They know it's more than just using a shield of irony to make fun of the concept of activism and caring about anything. They even did an apology regarding climate change. They know they're making political statements.
If anything they've hardly been bombed enough, that's why those pussy nation-building/give us oil wars fixed nothing. The only realistic, lasting solution would be to turn entire swathes of the middle east into glass. Especially Dubai.
Yes because it fed into the "we need to fight them over there so we don't fight them here" logic which didn't make sense. They weren't an army and every civilian wasn't a soldier but that's how it was treated. It was an excuse to try some imperialism and subvert their culture and leadership to install a puppet government and it turns out that is really hard not just in an Islamic country, but in the age digital and social media. The approach was that of old men in bed with the military industrial complex and the oil industry. There were better methods but they lead to these countries having too much agency. So hammering through with things like bombing Fallujah were more likely, in their old man eyes, to shock and awe Islamic leadership into servitude while the military industrial complex gets a pay out.
Could have just declared Islam a death cult and banned it+immigration from Arab countries but noooooo we can have our cheap labor cake and bomb it too.
At the time, it was an interesting and novel, if idealistic, take. This aged poorly because now you have standard message of "wite pepo evil racist colonialists and so they must pay by having their countries destroyed".
Yes, parents condition their kids for racism. Kids who are just allowed to spend time around each other without any adults pointing out racial differences will just accept that they look different from each other but bond based on their personalities and interests without issue.
>Only the Whites are weak and demoralized enough to be ashamed of their past, the Turks, the Mongols, the Arabs, the Japanese etc... all are proud of their conquests and do not care about the slavery and massacres caused by their people .
We do this to justify importing you as slave labor after destroying your countries' economies.
[...] > Chef is a nig living in America, without white people he would be ass naked running around the savannah hunting antelopes
Hunter gather tribes still exist and they don’t seem to have a problem with that lifestyle or are in any hurry to go to America where people committing suicide is a thing that actually happens.
Ok so why don't nigs come back to Africa? Why do africans try to enter Europe at the cost of their lives?
[...] >without white people he would be ass naked running around the savannah hunting antelopes.
Life as an American slave was objectively worse.
Yes, but chef lives in modern America. Africans treat each other much worse than white people treat black people in the US btw
>Yes, but
Yes, but nothing. If 1600-1800s whites had their way, Chef and every other African they brought would still be slaves. The fact that that's not what ended up happening doesn't change that that's what the intended goal was, and the fact that modern African Americans have it better than modern Africans doesn't mean they aren't allowed to have grievances.
>doesn't mean they aren't allowed to have grievances.
And that also doesn't mean people still have to care after you keep whining about it over and over again, pathetically begging for sympathy after you've gotten more than enough, never actually improving their own communities and just being parasitical to others.
> Chef is a nig living in America, without white people he would be ass naked running around the savannah hunting antelopes
Hunter gather tribes still exist and they don’t seem to have a problem with that lifestyle or are in any hurry to go to America where people committing suicide is a thing that actually happens.
Not at all because it turned out the slippery slope was real and the people crying for getting rid of everything Confederate and racist started going after the founding fathers and other US figures right after.
Remember when the black lives matter protests made mississippi change their racist state flag?
Turns out south park was wrong. It changed and everyone moved on pretty quick. More people still care about pluto not being a planet anymore then a racist flag being changed. The main trick is to do it and move on, that way the people who complain get bored and move on.
>More people still care about pluto not being a planet anymore then a racist flag being changed.
That's because no one short of a scientist will lose their job defending Pluto.
>The main trick is to do it and move on, that way the people who complain get bored and move on.
Are you being cynical or just machiavellian?
>Turns out south park was wrong.
But anon the episode basically said that the majority would not care. So if anything they were right on the money by saying only a minority cares one way or another.
They sorta gave a voice to both sides and parodied the issue well. The highlight of the episode is how some evils are considered completely amoral, ireedemable and absolute; racism, while others like murder, depend on circumstance and admit a huge degree of social leeway, you can make fun of murder, you can have good guys in fiction be murderers etc.
Ultimately, the issue stands in the very heart of american politcs: Tradition versus progressivism. American conservatives are intent on preserving every institution regardless of its history and negative impact and liberals are intent on destroying that tradition precisely because of its negative impact. The racist flag is a symbol of a racist history, but conservatives want to keep it simply because its history and they dont think it was that bad. But it was that bad actually, so perhaps we need to rethink how we engage with it rather than just put it in a pedestal and enshrine it into current politics. The problem with the progressives is that they want current politics to be dictated in terms of that bad history when the current population had nothing to do with it. We can have a complicated relationship with our history without letting it dictate current politics.
We are just too close to the issue. In a couple hundred years, confederate flag will be NBD. I could fly a historic mongol flag and no one would care. Same with Nazi flag.
Also, at some point, black people need to get the frick over it.
flags change all the time depending on the political landscape. They dont really have any meaning other than what you ascribe to them. The other side can make the same argument for you to get over it that they changed the flag.
>flags change all the time depending on the political landscape.
lets just have 2 flags then.
They dont really have any meaning other than what you ascribe to them.
with different personal "meanings" to them
Right, but having two flags for the same thing is confusing and somewhat defeats the purpose. Why not just choose something not associated with racism?
Just like those Whities in the South need to get over the fact that the Confederacy LOST. They just need to get fricking over it and stop hanging those flags everywhere and take down the statues already.
That's like saying that israelites need to get over Nazis or China needs to get over Nanking or Korea needs to get over the 'comfort women.'
This is where they were wrong. Children in the US ARE aware of racism, even White kids. They have some awareness even if they don't know the name for it. If anything, Tolkien would. Unless his parents are complete Uncle Toms they would have already had to explain things to him.
>This is where they were wrong. Children in the US ARE aware of racism
Of course they're aware of racism.
But they're not always aware of context. The episode exaggerates it, but the lynching is a good example. Most white kids just look at hangings and think in terms of frontier cowboys or european revolutions. It's reasonable that a 4th grader would gloss over that the black stick figure is supposed to be african.
That's just a failing on the teachers and parents to not provide context. People often frame racism as something that comes from ignorance because going off of prejudice or not seeing exactly how something could hurt someone because it was never explained to you/you never experienced it, but here the lesson isn't that the kids and parents should learn something, it's that Chef was in the wrong for being angry that so many of his white friends were on the fence about whether or not a "we are proud that we lynch black people" flag is bad enough to change.
South Park is a cynical show that features kids who are often smarter than the adults. When the episodes use the kids innocence and unassuming neutrality as an analog for adults who feel like they aren't in the wrong, it puts the blame on the offended party for not being charitable enough in a show that is proud to be uncharitable.
Yes, but we're regressing as a society rapidly so if they did the episode now Chef would be 100% correct and the episode would have to be about something else, like how the boys have implicit bias for not immediately understanding why he was mad.
The bit about convincing the KKK to support changing the flag so reactionary idiot normies would instinctively support the opposite position was pretty great.
There was literally nothing wrong with the Confederate flag. It was a symbol of Southern Pride for pretty much everyone flying it and liberals knew that. It was and always will be about control over the culture. Hence the Chinese Cultural Revolution we're living in.
>It was a symbol of Southern Pride for pretty much everyone flying it
Imagine being proud of rebelling against your country, getting millions of people killed, and then fricking losing all in a failed attempt to let plantation owners keep their slaves.
>Imagine being proud of rebelling against your country
How did America start again?
But regardless the flag symbolism evolved to far more than just the war that liberals hyperfixate on. It's meant to be a symbol of a region and culture that has traditionally been looked down on. You think people at Lynard Skynard concerts were thinking of the civil war or black people?
Much of this imagery may have come from that era (because it was one of the heights of the South's cultural influence) but it's more than that. Simple as.
To put it in very simple terms even you could understand, it's like when people meme and post the USSR flag as a communism joke or even to showcase their own pride as a communist. It's rarely these days meant to be about that specific Russian government.
>How did America start again?
America WON its founding rebellion though. Americans also didn't rebel just so that a class of wealthy landowners could keep using their cheap farm equipment, whereas the Confederates did.
Imagine taking pride in your ancestors defending their home against a tyrannical federalist government. Crazy.
>defending their home
The only thing they were defending was the "right" of rich plantation owners to have slaves. >tyrannical federalist government
Banning slavery is not tyranny.
>Americans also didn't rebel just so that a class of wealthy landowners could keep using their cheap farm equipment,
Yes it was, just replace cheap farm equipment with "not wanting to pay taxes"
Edginess aside, the "cheap farm equipment" in question was actually human beings.
And the issue wasn't just not wanting to pay taxes, it was not wanting to pay taxes without being represented in the government.
So there is no legitimate comparison to be made here unless you unironically think slavery is a good thing, in which case you are a moron.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm just say that the Founding Fathers were no less bastards who didn't care about the rights of those under them than the founders of the Confederacy. America was founded on lies, like all countries created by white men.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>America was founded on lies, like all countries created by white men.
oh god not this bullshit
you should unironically have a nice day.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Every country is founded with a certain mythos behind it. The reason is simply that people want to feel as if there are natural explanations for their actions even if the simple explanation is a social one. A founding mythos also fosters a sense of belonging and creates an in group which prides itself on the importance of the mythos itself. Whiteness has nothing to do with it. The chinese literally believe that their governement is ordained by heaven to impose order in the material plane.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>pic related
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Turks were furries all along
Makes sense. I wonder if it is related in any way to the roman founding mythos. Romulus and Remus were also nursed by a wolf. At least they didnt have sexual relations with it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Every country is founded with a certain mythos behind it. >uses an ancient civilization as an example
It helps and it ends up happening, but with newer countries like America it happens less and there is no necessity to it, unless you're using it like a noble lie to maintain a narrative that benefits you.
6 months ago
Anonymous
America has a lot of mythology associated with it. The wider freedom/land of the free angle and fighting against tyranny when it was just a tax dispute. The mythologization of the founding fathers as these figures that watch over the country and whose word is invoked in almost sacred manner. Manifest destiny and the divininely founded right to colonize the land and have a white nation. Hell, there are distinct christian denominations in the US that transplant the whole jesus story to america, like the mormons and the quakers.
America has a very complex mythological system attached to its founding anon. Maybe you dont see it because you believe the mythos.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I get that there is a favorable way of looking at it and Christian nationalist mythos, but most don't actually believe it. Most stop at just thinking the government structure was new and made by geniuses who totally didn't rip off existing models. The unquestionableness of the founding fathers can sometimes be tied to something like religion, but mostly it's done under the assumption that they were supermen that were products of their time, well read and learned and perfectly critical of monarchy and totally not rich and self interested. They're something we can't be so they have authority over pampered contemporary TV watching commoners and their contemporary politicians who don't know much but have faith that the founding fathers figured it out and if we don't agree with them we're clearly just missing something. Still not a mythos.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The fact that some people dont believe the full mythos or some who dont believe it at all doesnt make it not a mythos. I imagine many ancient roman citizens didnt fully believe the Romulus and Remus story for whatever reason.
The founding fathers concieved as these social and moral geniuses who correctly rebelled against a tyrannical rule and created the bases for a utopian society based in personal freedom is a mythos. A mythos is simply a partly true partly false story commonly told to justify or explain the founing of a nation. It does not have to be encoded into law or believed by everybody. But when americans say their nation is the best in the planet, they usually have some of the mythos in mind.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're right, but there comes a point to where divinity doesn't come into play into the modern mind. One may be uninformed or made too many generous assumptions regarding the knowledge and interests of the founding fathers, but they're flesh and blood historical figured, not gods. I mean come on, in the public sphere it's understood that they're slave owners, sexists, and racists. We understand that "from a different time" excuses grandpa like it excuses great great great great grandpa George Washington. If anything, there is a push for mythos from the right.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Right, I think that is the crux of the traditional culture war in the US. The mythology of the country was blurred with its actual history to conform the traditional american values that held all through its history until roughly 60 years ago. Those values started to erode based on the demythologization of the history being pushed by the left. The right wants to keep the mythology, the left wants to destroy it. I dont meant to push a monolythic relation between americans and their own history. Rather, a mythos is typically upheld by conservatives to justify the traditional cultural and political state of the country.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You don't destroy a myth by exposing it as a myth, you just remove the legitimacy it shouldn't have had. And what values are you talking about? The reason why many on the right push it is so that we support nepotistic hierarchy and free market anti-regulation while pushing individualism so individuals can get scammed while providing room for hawkish jingoism to thrive.
>and liberals knew that.
The confederacy was short lived and was about a state's right to slavery. If you could just do the normal thing and assume that liberals are too dumb, too brainwashed, or not brainwashed enough in the specific way that you are, you can at least be incorrect in a more normal way. Assuming they agree with you, just conspire to control culture as if our default views on fighting for slavery are supposed to be positive is fricking moronic. You're laying out your cope.
The Rebel Flag is a proto-fascist symbol of spite and a painful reminder of the failure of Reconstruction and how the CSA, even after defeat, managed to spread it's poison to every region in America until the 21st century.
No, they keep leaning on "these kids don't see race" or "these kids don't know 'homosexual' is a slur against gays" which doesn't make sense and only shows the mental gymnastics lolberts apply to defend overt hate. Rather than addressing the issue like the ACLU which defended swastikas, they argue around the issue and asks you to accept a real lack of malice. They'll apply the worst cynicism everywhere else, they'll assume the worst motives when it comes to things like being an environmentalist, but kids saying "homosexual" is innocent and gays need to let them imply being gay is bad every time they're mad at someone who is being annoying. Anti-bullying is wrong, but lynching flags are good, especially if every race on earth comes together to kill a black guy.
No. It was clear they had no fricking clue what they were even talking about so the fact that even tried to approach it makes them look like fricking clowns in retrospect. This episode and the one with Big Gay Al claiming that the private organizations have the right to discriminate was also another shit take they had.
They have done better in later seasons. In fact, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do some shit like they did in that episode now.
>stop watching
Black person, this is from season 1. Even Matt and Trey say they regret season 1. It's a political cartoon, it's fine to talk about the politics and message. "You're thinking about it too much" doesn't work when clearly even they think they didn't think enough.
>hey guys let's have a "South Park Thread" *wink*
/pol/wiggers are desperate to post anywhere but /misc/ these days, I wonder if they've been run out by this /leftypol/ I keep hearing about.
I think many christian conservative american poltards have been run out by the recent influx of tankies and paganlarpers into pol. Almost every thread is either shitting on christianity or shitting on the US for Ukraine and Palestine.
to be honest cuckservatives were always the biggest enemies of NS and even to this day they even realize there mistakes like the senile old geezers they are
No, they've always been lolbertarians who would rather make fun of an issue and propose a silly solution than a real one. They almost instantly became so rich that normal problems don't effect them anymore. Their thesis in Team America was "yeah, we gotta bomb some towelheads sometimes," manufacturing consent for the utterly pointless, decades long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost trillions of dollars and did nothing to "stabilize" the region
fpbp
/thread
Wait, you took the message in Team America seriously?
>Cinemaphile thinks that literally any part of Team America was meant to be taken seriously
Jesus fricking Christ this genuinely might be the most moronic board on Cinemaphile, like holy FRICKING shit
You've got to admit that the speech about pussies, dicks, and buttholes should be chiseled into marble in Latin.
>Cinemaphile is the most moronic board
>I am part of it
>BUT I AM NOT AS moronic LIKE YOU GUYS I AM SMART
Desperate cope
>you guys dumb
>I smart
>cannot beat facts
Desperate cope
I just love replying to you.
Loving cope <3
*kisses u*
But not desesperate enough compared to your incoming arrest.
>C--cope!
I can hear your tears from here.
There is one part of it that should be taken seriously:
I miss you more than Michael Bay missed the mark,
when he made Pearl Harbor,
I miss you more than that movie missed the point,
and that's an awful lot, girl,
and now, now you've gone away,
and all I'm trying to say,
is Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you.
I need you like Ben Affleck needs acting school,
he was terrible in that film,
I need you like Cuba Gooding needed a bigger part,
he's way better than Ben Affleck,
and now, all I can think about is your smile,
and that shitty movie too,
Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you.
Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?
I guess Pearl Harbor sucked,
just a little bit more than I miss you.
You've never been to Cinemaphile
>Team America
>Serious
Dude it had a song about everyone getting AIDs and Kim Jong Ill being an alien wienerroach. I don't think it had any deeper meaning than satire of Geo-Politics in the 2000s.
>who would rather make fun of an issue and propose a silly solution than a real one.
Yeah, no shit.
The central theme of South Park that overacting to inconsequential issues is how you turn imaginary problems into a real ones.
Why are you asking for "real solutions" from a show whose very premise was that the "issue" was silly to begin with?
"Issues that don't affect me aren't issues." is the most classic libertarian take there is.
So no surprise you're agreeing with libertarian propaganda.
>"Issues that don't affect me aren't issues." is the most classic libertarian take there is.
So wait you're telling me is that libertarians are based?
>"Issues that don't affect me aren't issues."
Correct, how could they be?
It's more of a conservative take
conservatives usually care about the well-being of society, libertarians don't
>conservatives usually care about the well-being of society
they care about gdp growth. Not the actual people in society
they still push for christian societal values
ESL
I am sorry I made a mistake. Guess I was make more several miss takes just for your.
please learn how you the language so fast so possibly the self better letting making can
Christian values is living as a beggar with minimal possessions, and preparing for the end of the world. Follow your God's commands, for fricking once.
i'm not a christian nor conservative, quit your angry projection and take a break from the internet. maybe take a shower, you fricking pothead
So........ different anon or just a generally angry anon who has no position or point. Hmmmm......
or your brain is too fried to follow a simple text chain
>they still push for christian societal values
I can read, thanks for your concern.
what are you arguing? conservatives do push for christian societal values. that's not a politically-biased take
I was not arguing, just bringing up what christian values actually ought to be, according to Christ himself. Since this wasn't an argument from the beginning, I guess you can be a little less angry and let this go.
kys stoner
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>Christian values is living as a beggar with minimal possessions, and preparing for the end of the world.
If that were mainstream Christian values then Christianity would not have survived the 2nd century.
Certain society-wide morality issues are also linked to conservatives, e.g., conservatives are more associated with a care for sexual purity in society, such as in some cases taking it to the extent of abstinence only education, or no education when it comes to sex-ed in schools. Libertarians tend far more to say "if it doesn't effect me then it doesn't matter."
Conservatives do nothing. Has not done nothing for many decades.
"You are obligated to deal with problems that are not your fault or responsibility" is the most classic marxist take there is. So no surprise you're agreeing with marxist propaganda.
wow you are really smart
No need to thank me.
I shouldn't have to state something that obvious in the first place.
That’s not the central theme to south park tho. That flag is legit fricked up and presented as being fricked up. It’s not an overreaction to say it’s fricked up and want it changed. The episode was about most people in the town not caring and basically doing as little as possible to fix the issue with the flag because the imagery on the flag isn’t offending them. It’s offensive to someone else and they don’t really give a shit about that or understanding why that other person would find it offensive even though it’s pretty obvious as to why it would be.
>That’s not the central theme to south park tho
No, it definitely is.
The core development of the vast majority of episodes is a bunch of 10 year olds fricking around being 10 year olds, then some adults come in and escalate their minor conflicts into something that threatens the wellbeing of the entire town.
Nearly ever issue in the show would be resolved by just leaving it alone instead of allowing unrelated actors to butt in and appropriate it for their own agendas.
It isn’t tho. The theme of south park is “absurdity”.it isn’t “people overreacting”. In this episode it isn’t an overreaction to want the flag changed. Like stated, the flag’s imagery was fricked up and presented as fricked up. The flag itself and how people just kinda dismiss the criticism of it is **absurd**. Do they have episodes e]where people overreact? Sure, because reacting that way is ABSURD. But not seeing how someone would be offended by that flag is ALSO absurd even though nobody is really “overacting”. The solution at the end of the episode is also absurd. It’s still an image of a guy being lynched only now everyone is taking part in it.
You're missing the point of the episode, and the flag episode in particular is very explicit in what its purpose is.
The flag itself was never the real core issue. It was just a device to carry the actual plot, which was the townsfolk projecting racial prejudice where it didn't exist. They were so worked up in their own agendas that they tainting what was otherwise an educational civil exercise.
The outcome for the flag sucked as much as it did because the adults were too involved to allow it to resolve properly on its own.
Wasn't the core theme of most early seasons "stop using kids in your political wars they genuinely have no idea what's going on beyond wanting some fricking snacks and getting the day off school?"
Typically speaking, the boys had an ulterior motive for getting involved in whatever debate was going on and the town was too dumb to realize
No, the boys were often more sensible than the adults. Example being the hate crime episode where Token getting hit by a white kid gets classified as a hate crime. If you watch the episode, you'll there are parts where the kids try to reason with the adults only to have the adults double down on something ridiculous and we see Stan and Kyle look at each other so we know at least they know that hate crime laws are stupid. In reality, not even the Zim Zam got a hate crime charge attempted against him even though he said "fricking coons" before approaching Tray Tray. Not to say it wasn't self defense, but "hate crime" is rarely used in court when it comes to assault between people of different races.
>Their thesis in Team America was "yeah, we gotta bomb some towelheads sometimes,"
An absolute correct take.
You do need to bomb towelheads some times
>rather make fun of an issue and propose a silly solution than a real one.
And that's bad?
>they would rather make fun of political-social issues
Good, frick you pearl-clutching politibrain homosexuals.
Who the frick goes to South Park for a “real” solution, you autistic brainlet?
trust me, people take south park way more seriously than any of the people working on it do
>they've always been lolbertarians who would rather make fun of an issue and propose a silly solution than a real one.
Yeah, it's not their fricking job.
They're voters and providing commentary. They know it's more than just using a shield of irony to make fun of the concept of activism and caring about anything. They even did an apology regarding climate change. They know they're making political statements.
They showed their colors in the Covid episode.
If anything they've hardly been bombed enough, that's why those pussy nation-building/give us oil wars fixed nothing. The only realistic, lasting solution would be to turn entire swathes of the middle east into glass. Especially Dubai.
>Their thesis in Team America was "yeah, we gotta bomb some towelheads sometimes,
Is this wrong?
Yes because it fed into the "we need to fight them over there so we don't fight them here" logic which didn't make sense. They weren't an army and every civilian wasn't a soldier but that's how it was treated. It was an excuse to try some imperialism and subvert their culture and leadership to install a puppet government and it turns out that is really hard not just in an Islamic country, but in the age digital and social media. The approach was that of old men in bed with the military industrial complex and the oil industry. There were better methods but they lead to these countries having too much agency. So hammering through with things like bombing Fallujah were more likely, in their old man eyes, to shock and awe Islamic leadership into servitude while the military industrial complex gets a pay out.
Could have just declared Islam a death cult and banned it+immigration from Arab countries but noooooo we can have our cheap labor cake and bomb it too.
>enter thread
>see this
>lolbertarian
>leave thread
At the time, it was an interesting and novel, if idealistic, take. This aged poorly because now you have standard message of "wite pepo evil racist colonialists and so they must pay by having their countries destroyed".
Chef was right.
The most realistic part was that the vast majority of the town had no opinion or sat on the fence.
Your take is the best in the thread so far.
But it's not supposed to be realistic. South Park could've used its power for advocacy and show everyone banding together to do the right thing.
You are the cancer killing comedy.
The purpose of comedy, and therefore South Park, is to be funny, not to "use its power for advocacy."
Frickin' liberals gotta inject diversity into everything.
Yes, parents condition their kids for racism. Kids who are just allowed to spend time around each other without any adults pointing out racial differences will just accept that they look different from each other but bond based on their personalities and interests without issue.
that's not true, when i was in school i quickly discovered the kids who weren't white were also the most obnoxious and destructive
All the black kids in my school were just as well-behaved as everyone else. Sorry you grew up in the inner city instead of the suburbs.
i grew up in the suburbs, there were like five kids who weren't white and they were either violent or disgustingly obese
>bases entire perception of a group of people through 5 children
I wonder what those non-White kids thought of the White kids...
I wonder why you capitalized...
Why is that a problem?
It lays the mental illness bare.
Yes and no. Unless you claim tabula rasa.
>Only the Whites are weak and demoralized enough to be ashamed of their past, the Turks, the Mongols, the Arabs, the Japanese etc... all are proud of their conquests and do not care about the slavery and massacres caused by their people .
We do this to justify importing you as slave labor after destroying your countries' economies.
Cope.
Ok so why don't nigs come back to Africa? Why do africans try to enter Europe at the cost of their lives?
Yes, but chef lives in modern America. Africans treat each other much worse than white people treat black people in the US btw
>Yes, but
Yes, but nothing. If 1600-1800s whites had their way, Chef and every other African they brought would still be slaves. The fact that that's not what ended up happening doesn't change that that's what the intended goal was, and the fact that modern African Americans have it better than modern Africans doesn't mean they aren't allowed to have grievances.
Did you actually re-do that meme? Crisp as frick.
They're allowed to go frick themselves and so do you.
>doesn't mean they aren't allowed to have grievances.
And that also doesn't mean people still have to care after you keep whining about it over and over again, pathetically begging for sympathy after you've gotten more than enough, never actually improving their own communities and just being parasitical to others.
Going "I don't wanna hear about it" just proves your moronation.
> Chef is a nig living in America, without white people he would be ass naked running around the savannah hunting antelopes
Hunter gather tribes still exist and they don’t seem to have a problem with that lifestyle or are in any hurry to go to America where people committing suicide is a thing that actually happens.
>without white people he would be ass naked running around the savannah hunting antelopes.
Life as an American slave was objectively worse.
Not at all because it turned out the slippery slope was real and the people crying for getting rid of everything Confederate and racist started going after the founding fathers and other US figures right after.
go back to facebook, old man
>Anon tells the truth
>Gets called an adult
Cinemaphile is so cringe kek
Go nack to Reddit, migrant.
Remember when the black lives matter protests made mississippi change their racist state flag?
Turns out south park was wrong. It changed and everyone moved on pretty quick. More people still care about pluto not being a planet anymore then a racist flag being changed. The main trick is to do it and move on, that way the people who complain get bored and move on.
>More people still care about pluto not being a planet anymore then a racist flag being changed.
That's because no one short of a scientist will lose their job defending Pluto.
>The main trick is to do it and move on, that way the people who complain get bored and move on.
Are you being cynical or just machiavellian?
>Turns out south park was wrong.
But anon the episode basically said that the majority would not care. So if anything they were right on the money by saying only a minority cares one way or another.
Cartman Cartman can't you see?
Robots going crazy cross the galaxyyy
They sorta gave a voice to both sides and parodied the issue well. The highlight of the episode is how some evils are considered completely amoral, ireedemable and absolute; racism, while others like murder, depend on circumstance and admit a huge degree of social leeway, you can make fun of murder, you can have good guys in fiction be murderers etc.
Ultimately, the issue stands in the very heart of american politcs: Tradition versus progressivism. American conservatives are intent on preserving every institution regardless of its history and negative impact and liberals are intent on destroying that tradition precisely because of its negative impact. The racist flag is a symbol of a racist history, but conservatives want to keep it simply because its history and they dont think it was that bad. But it was that bad actually, so perhaps we need to rethink how we engage with it rather than just put it in a pedestal and enshrine it into current politics. The problem with the progressives is that they want current politics to be dictated in terms of that bad history when the current population had nothing to do with it. We can have a complicated relationship with our history without letting it dictate current politics.
We are just too close to the issue. In a couple hundred years, confederate flag will be NBD. I could fly a historic mongol flag and no one would care. Same with Nazi flag.
Also, at some point, black people need to get the frick over it.
flags change all the time depending on the political landscape. They dont really have any meaning other than what you ascribe to them. The other side can make the same argument for you to get over it that they changed the flag.
>flags change all the time depending on the political landscape.
lets just have 2 flags then.
They dont really have any meaning other than what you ascribe to them.
with different personal "meanings" to them
Right, but having two flags for the same thing is confusing and somewhat defeats the purpose. Why not just choose something not associated with racism?
Just like those Whities in the South need to get over the fact that the Confederacy LOST. They just need to get fricking over it and stop hanging those flags everywhere and take down the statues already.
That's like saying that israelites need to get over Nazis or China needs to get over Nanking or Korea needs to get over the 'comfort women.'
Get head out of your ass.
Nu-south park wouldn't have an episode like this
No cause white children don't understand the context to why it's so disturbing. I don't think Token was even in the show yet to voice his opinion.
This is where they were wrong. Children in the US ARE aware of racism, even White kids. They have some awareness even if they don't know the name for it. If anything, Tolkien would. Unless his parents are complete Uncle Toms they would have already had to explain things to him.
>This is where they were wrong. Children in the US ARE aware of racism
Of course they're aware of racism.
But they're not always aware of context. The episode exaggerates it, but the lynching is a good example. Most white kids just look at hangings and think in terms of frontier cowboys or european revolutions. It's reasonable that a 4th grader would gloss over that the black stick figure is supposed to be african.
That's just a failing on the teachers and parents to not provide context. People often frame racism as something that comes from ignorance because going off of prejudice or not seeing exactly how something could hurt someone because it was never explained to you/you never experienced it, but here the lesson isn't that the kids and parents should learn something, it's that Chef was in the wrong for being angry that so many of his white friends were on the fence about whether or not a "we are proud that we lynch black people" flag is bad enough to change.
South Park is a cynical show that features kids who are often smarter than the adults. When the episodes use the kids innocence and unassuming neutrality as an analog for adults who feel like they aren't in the wrong, it puts the blame on the offended party for not being charitable enough in a show that is proud to be uncharitable.
Yes, but we're regressing as a society rapidly so if they did the episode now Chef would be 100% correct and the episode would have to be about something else, like how the boys have implicit bias for not immediately understanding why he was mad.
I rate this episode about tree fitty
they did a way better job than the us
The bit about convincing the KKK to support changing the flag so reactionary idiot normies would instinctively support the opposite position was pretty great.
There was literally nothing wrong with the Confederate flag. It was a symbol of Southern Pride for pretty much everyone flying it and liberals knew that. It was and always will be about control over the culture. Hence the Chinese Cultural Revolution we're living in.
>It was a symbol of Southern Pride for pretty much everyone flying it
Imagine being proud of rebelling against your country, getting millions of people killed, and then fricking losing all in a failed attempt to let plantation owners keep their slaves.
>Imagine being proud of rebelling against your country
How did America start again?
But regardless the flag symbolism evolved to far more than just the war that liberals hyperfixate on. It's meant to be a symbol of a region and culture that has traditionally been looked down on. You think people at Lynard Skynard concerts were thinking of the civil war or black people?
Much of this imagery may have come from that era (because it was one of the heights of the South's cultural influence) but it's more than that. Simple as.
To put it in very simple terms even you could understand, it's like when people meme and post the USSR flag as a communism joke or even to showcase their own pride as a communist. It's rarely these days meant to be about that specific Russian government.
>How did America start again?
America WON its founding rebellion though. Americans also didn't rebel just so that a class of wealthy landowners could keep using their cheap farm equipment, whereas the Confederates did.
>defending their home
The only thing they were defending was the "right" of rich plantation owners to have slaves.
>tyrannical federalist government
Banning slavery is not tyranny.
>Americans also didn't rebel just so that a class of wealthy landowners could keep using their cheap farm equipment,
Yes it was, just replace cheap farm equipment with "not wanting to pay taxes"
Edginess aside, the "cheap farm equipment" in question was actually human beings.
And the issue wasn't just not wanting to pay taxes, it was not wanting to pay taxes without being represented in the government.
So there is no legitimate comparison to be made here unless you unironically think slavery is a good thing, in which case you are a moron.
I'm just say that the Founding Fathers were no less bastards who didn't care about the rights of those under them than the founders of the Confederacy. America was founded on lies, like all countries created by white men.
>America was founded on lies, like all countries created by white men.
oh god not this bullshit
you should unironically have a nice day.
Every country is founded with a certain mythos behind it. The reason is simply that people want to feel as if there are natural explanations for their actions even if the simple explanation is a social one. A founding mythos also fosters a sense of belonging and creates an in group which prides itself on the importance of the mythos itself. Whiteness has nothing to do with it. The chinese literally believe that their governement is ordained by heaven to impose order in the material plane.
>pic related
>Turks were furries all along
Makes sense. I wonder if it is related in any way to the roman founding mythos. Romulus and Remus were also nursed by a wolf. At least they didnt have sexual relations with it.
>Every country is founded with a certain mythos behind it.
>uses an ancient civilization as an example
It helps and it ends up happening, but with newer countries like America it happens less and there is no necessity to it, unless you're using it like a noble lie to maintain a narrative that benefits you.
America has a lot of mythology associated with it. The wider freedom/land of the free angle and fighting against tyranny when it was just a tax dispute. The mythologization of the founding fathers as these figures that watch over the country and whose word is invoked in almost sacred manner. Manifest destiny and the divininely founded right to colonize the land and have a white nation. Hell, there are distinct christian denominations in the US that transplant the whole jesus story to america, like the mormons and the quakers.
America has a very complex mythological system attached to its founding anon. Maybe you dont see it because you believe the mythos.
I get that there is a favorable way of looking at it and Christian nationalist mythos, but most don't actually believe it. Most stop at just thinking the government structure was new and made by geniuses who totally didn't rip off existing models. The unquestionableness of the founding fathers can sometimes be tied to something like religion, but mostly it's done under the assumption that they were supermen that were products of their time, well read and learned and perfectly critical of monarchy and totally not rich and self interested. They're something we can't be so they have authority over pampered contemporary TV watching commoners and their contemporary politicians who don't know much but have faith that the founding fathers figured it out and if we don't agree with them we're clearly just missing something. Still not a mythos.
The fact that some people dont believe the full mythos or some who dont believe it at all doesnt make it not a mythos. I imagine many ancient roman citizens didnt fully believe the Romulus and Remus story for whatever reason.
The founding fathers concieved as these social and moral geniuses who correctly rebelled against a tyrannical rule and created the bases for a utopian society based in personal freedom is a mythos. A mythos is simply a partly true partly false story commonly told to justify or explain the founing of a nation. It does not have to be encoded into law or believed by everybody. But when americans say their nation is the best in the planet, they usually have some of the mythos in mind.
You're right, but there comes a point to where divinity doesn't come into play into the modern mind. One may be uninformed or made too many generous assumptions regarding the knowledge and interests of the founding fathers, but they're flesh and blood historical figured, not gods. I mean come on, in the public sphere it's understood that they're slave owners, sexists, and racists. We understand that "from a different time" excuses grandpa like it excuses great great great great grandpa George Washington. If anything, there is a push for mythos from the right.
Right, I think that is the crux of the traditional culture war in the US. The mythology of the country was blurred with its actual history to conform the traditional american values that held all through its history until roughly 60 years ago. Those values started to erode based on the demythologization of the history being pushed by the left. The right wants to keep the mythology, the left wants to destroy it. I dont meant to push a monolythic relation between americans and their own history. Rather, a mythos is typically upheld by conservatives to justify the traditional cultural and political state of the country.
You don't destroy a myth by exposing it as a myth, you just remove the legitimacy it shouldn't have had. And what values are you talking about? The reason why many on the right push it is so that we support nepotistic hierarchy and free market anti-regulation while pushing individualism so individuals can get scammed while providing room for hawkish jingoism to thrive.
Imagine taking pride in your ancestors defending their home against a tyrannical federalist government. Crazy.
>and liberals knew that.
The confederacy was short lived and was about a state's right to slavery. If you could just do the normal thing and assume that liberals are too dumb, too brainwashed, or not brainwashed enough in the specific way that you are, you can at least be incorrect in a more normal way. Assuming they agree with you, just conspire to control culture as if our default views on fighting for slavery are supposed to be positive is fricking moronic. You're laying out your cope.
The Rebel Flag is a proto-fascist symbol of spite and a painful reminder of the failure of Reconstruction and how the CSA, even after defeat, managed to spread it's poison to every region in America until the 21st century.
No, they keep leaning on "these kids don't see race" or "these kids don't know 'homosexual' is a slur against gays" which doesn't make sense and only shows the mental gymnastics lolberts apply to defend overt hate. Rather than addressing the issue like the ACLU which defended swastikas, they argue around the issue and asks you to accept a real lack of malice. They'll apply the worst cynicism everywhere else, they'll assume the worst motives when it comes to things like being an environmentalist, but kids saying "homosexual" is innocent and gays need to let them imply being gay is bad every time they're mad at someone who is being annoying. Anti-bullying is wrong, but lynching flags are good, especially if every race on earth comes together to kill a black guy.
Most cartoons are woke garbage so a cartoon with a conservative/libertarian/contrarian point of view is a breath of fresh air.
No. It was clear they had no fricking clue what they were even talking about so the fact that even tried to approach it makes them look like fricking clowns in retrospect. This episode and the one with Big Gay Al claiming that the private organizations have the right to discriminate was also another shit take they had.
They have done better in later seasons. In fact, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do some shit like they did in that episode now.
Confederacy lost
Nazis lost
Trump lost
Ukraine lost
Hamas lost
Boogie lost
>Ukraine lost
You mean Russia.
ur mom lost her virginity to my dick
Didn't know/misc/ got an official flag design
Cartman brings up denazification and it's treated like a valid argument so no.
Nice /misc/ thread.
>trying to rationalize funny cartoon
I swear to god you guy sound like the family guy fandom either stop watching it or quit b***hing
>stop watching
Black person, this is from season 1. Even Matt and Trey say they regret season 1. It's a political cartoon, it's fine to talk about the politics and message. "You're thinking about it too much" doesn't work when clearly even they think they didn't think enough.
>hey guys let's have a "South Park Thread" *wink*
/pol/wiggers are desperate to post anywhere but /misc/ these days, I wonder if they've been run out by this /leftypol/ I keep hearing about.
I think many christian conservative american poltards have been run out by the recent influx of tankies and paganlarpers into pol. Almost every thread is either shitting on christianity or shitting on the US for Ukraine and Palestine.
to be honest cuckservatives were always the biggest enemies of NS and even to this day they even realize there mistakes like the senile old geezers they are
>everything that I don't like is /misc/
the same kind of moron that accuses everyone else of being a troony in Cinemaphile
>Would you say they managed the issue of this episode well?
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.