Does France have a healthier department? >Another major comic book market is France, where Franco-Belgian comics and Japanese manga each represent 40% of the market, followed by American comics at 10% market share.
>What they do to ensure a healthy scene?
no woke shit, tons of cool and masculine straight white male heroes and sexy female characters, it is the norm for a french comic to feature at least one super busty female character in skimpy clothes.
also the art is much better and the stories more original
>no woke shit, tons of cool and masculine straight white male heroes and sexy female characters, it is the norm for a french comic to feature at least one super busty female character in skimpy clothes.
No. None of that is actually true. Moebius is dead, and Milo Manara is retired. Modern writers and artists mostly create the same stupid stories as American indie comic book writers and artists. >also the art is much better and the stories more original
No. It's not 1980s anymore, French BD art is much, much worse than American comic book art now.
The only actual reason why Frenchmen still buy French BDs is state support (basically subsidies) for artists and higher prices for manga (because French translators are very greedy and ask for 50% of licensing fees, and most Frenchmen refuse to buy and read comics and manga in English or any other languages). If France was not a socialist hellhole and had the same free market economy as the US, manga would have 80% market share by now, if not more.
Mark Millar has as much individual sales numbers as we do
The figure is correct though, but in terms of larger scale book markets. The average consumer of american comic products wont get there trades from Barnes and noble, the main avenues will be LCS or online.
Because they live comfortably with their parent company's money. But when the parent company are now in the shit with economy, debts, flopped projects and union fiasco, the parent company might reconsider shutting down comic division to save up cost
Long as the IPs generate money in other mediums, doubt the comic divisions themselves will die. As is they are a cheap way to farm out new ideas to plug into movies and diapers.
The problem is that comic writing pays for shit in most cases, so most good writers only do comics to get movie deals or move on to TV. Gay stuff can be fine, as long as the story is excellent.
No the problem is you have passionless failed tv writers as the only people they pull from anymore. There isn’t anyone who wants to just write good comics, they’re just desperate to get ANY OC pushed through for the slim chance at royalties. Also most professional writers at that scale are so far up the ass of the propaganda machine they work in they think those political mandates they follow are their own original thoughts
My problem is the writers are complete scumbags with shit like this. Alan was straight for 80 years and suddenly he’s not just bi or gay he’s the gayest man in the history of the world AND in the 1930s
And you have the writer, Tim Sheridan, picking fights with actual fans online rather than just accepting the exact reaction he intended to garner: shock and outrage.
>O-Oh yeah? Well this manga has a character that makes my coomrot homoerotic girldick hard, so that means Manga is just as homo-pandering as "Buttfricker #69: Superman Green Lantern Iceman and Nightwing all go to Fire Island and make a super glory hole!" How can you say gay shit is a problem NOW?!?!
>HOLY SHIT, A COMIC MADE FOR GAY DUDES! >THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE TWO LARGEST WESTERN PUBLISHERS FOREFRONTING GAY CHARACTERS AND USING LEGACY BESTSELLER IPS TO PUSH RADLEFT SHIT!?
Why is it always the most braindead fallacies with you homosexuals?
Why is it always these desperate false equivalences where you pretend that some Webtoon-equivalent shit that's probably selling a hundredth of the sales of something like Naruto is the exact same as DC turning the son of Superman, you know, SUPERMAN, into a homosexual?
Why do you homosexuals take out-of-context panels like
>manga is SUPER HETEROSEXUAL YOU GUYS!!!
that, for all anyone knows, could be some gag manga or some one-off joke.
...Or like that one pedophile earlier in the thread that thought Astro Boy was supposed to be sexualized?
Who do you homosexuals think you're convincing by retorting with that limp-dicked moronic shit?
Yeah most of what Viz publishes is kids comics.
Viz has a division for kids that publishes kid's stuff exclusively, so that number's probably combining both, and even then the label of "kid's" really isn't consistent. A lot of shonen over there is kid-appropriate in Japan when in the states that shit's YA (i.e. Dragon Ball having kid Goku pulling off Bulma's panties because he can't find "the balls" or Yamcha in the same series saying that he's "not a e-girlcon.")
Whenever some mainstream series like Boruto, One Peice, or MHA starts featuring covers like this, then you'll have a point. It's like you're physically too moronic to comprehend that yaoi and the like can co-exist as genres to the shit that people actually read because the split in genre doesn't cause people to get blindsided by that shit through some bait-and-switch by the publisher.
So stop dumping your backlog list you homosexual.
Dragon Ball for kids, is and Japan.
I'm not disagreeing. I'm stating that Viz explicitly has a Viz Kids division that they use to publish shit that they know are for kids by Western standards. Stuff like Pokemon Adventures. Dragon Ball edges a little beyond western audience sensibilities for kid's media due to all the violence, sex jokes, and Bulma/Goku nudity.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Well muh shounen manga
Every fricking time.
8 months ago
Anonymous
What the frick are you even trying to whine about you redditspacing cuck?
8 months ago
Anonymous
DB was so edgy it got to air on American TV barely censored wow....
8 months ago
Anonymous
>barely censored
I accept your concession.
And that's also implying that the anime doesn't censor anything from the manga either. In the example I mentioned earlier with Yamcha, he states in the manga why he doesn't want to take kid Chi-Chi as a girlfriend because he's "not a e-girlcon." The panel has her laying KO'd on the ground rump in the air. In the anime, the conversation is held as Yamcha bikes away, in which he answers he's "only interested in girls his age" when "I'm not a pedophile" would have kept the joke.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That’s just not true. They edited everything from the beer Roshi drinks to the blood they cough up to the dismembered limbs.
Hell the piccolo saga was held back for years despite dragon ball being shown because of him coughing up eggs and baked yajirobe slicing up tambourine like a loaf of bread.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's still not that edited, it's still the same show.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It literally isn’t the same show. For years American audiences were left wondering why chi chi and goku were married, who the hell piccolo was and why goku hated him, who the hell yajirobe was and what significance the korrin tower had.
They literally removed 30 episodes worth of content.
8 months ago
Anonymous
JAPAN >cover shows gay men shenanigans >inside has gay men shenanigans
>cover shows years old classic hero >inside has classic hero stories/action
MURICA >cover shows years old classic hero >inside has gay men shenanigans
NO, your childhood hero is now a gay and if you don't liek it your a biggot homophobe you should read it yo should let child read comics stop being a manchild go watch porn if you don't like it
8 months ago
Anonymous
In Japan the covers often have nothing to do with the content.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you can also read a review of both before buying o wait... PICRELATED
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Noooooooo a LGBTQ superhero comic has LGBTQ content???!!!?
Are you going to cry about yaoi manga being gay next?
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's not the gay porno genre, it's the superhero genre that for some reason focuses on homosexuality for some reason.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>GAY SUPERHEROES CANNOT EXIST ;_;
Said the homophobe while crying in a fetal position
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Said the homophobe
People still think homophobe is an insult?
>Why
Because they are Marvel sunk cost fallacy fanboys desperately trying to claim everything is just as bad as their awful comics
Cinemaphile is pretty much the only board where people are allowed to defend crap, /tg/ aknowledged that DnD is trash years ago just like Cinemaphile with Naruto.
8 months ago
Anonymous
At least DND can claim its succeding as a product in terms of popularity/expansion.
but srls do you people not understand that the thing is if you buy a superhero comic/manga you expect it to have superhero action and story, not a fricking gay drama propaganda soap opera
o you wanth gay shit, of course japan sells gay shit but it's marketed as such, in the fricking cover and you don't buy it accidentaly
but if you pick a comic with a superhero you better expect to get alteast 10 pages of homosexualry
I wouldn't even call it "gay" aesthetics since it's pretty much just drawing characters like prints in a fashion magazine.
The most gay shit you get in JoJo is the offhand visual joke, and even then it's either for something that's ridiculous as frick or at some chracter's expense.
For the morons, Japan has the following demographics: >kodomo
Toddler comics, made for 3-8 year olds typically >shonen/shojo
Targets boys and girls aged 10-16 >seinen/josie
The young adult demographic, made primarily 19-25 year old men and women
Nobody cares. They don’t apply to the american and they don’t need to. Your autism to upholding their language in English is absurd.
Like homosexuals who call them tankobons or whatever. They’re trade paper backs.
he's just a bit shit as a writer, and the fact he doing mini which everyone before it even comes out knows is basically "Green Lantern was always gay chud!" is not endearing him a audience
There’s also just the fact that everyone, whether they’re gay or normal, would have preferred a straight boomer father bonding with his gay son over a straight boomer father being made gay just like his son for no other reason than spite after the earth 2 complaints almost a decade ago.
funny how the old Nemesis is actually a good and 10 times better than the shit whe get with the new Nemesis reboot just so he could stick it to his Millarverse
Why do you care about sells? comics always going to exist as long as people do. OH WOW THIS ONE DID MORE NUMBERS you just hate it if it gets popular anyways.
As long as people can put things in print or online, comics will exist only way comics can't exist is if we lived in Mad Max land or all people died out.
I don't work in the industry, it's not my problem if a book doesn't sell why should I care? OH BECAUSE COMICS WILL DIE like I said as long as stuff can be printed or put online comics will exist so whatever.
>Manga >mostly typical and modern trash selected by English publishers because it will do well number cause it's lowest common denominator >Anything actually unique and cool usually left in Japan and rarely translated even by fans.
I hate the American manga industry.
This is missing the 3rd American "mature" comic, which is the auto-biographical ones where the writer feels his mundane life and experiences mean frick all.
Actually really important question. Does anyone have that old Haruhi EvsW image about the history of manga vs the history of comics? AT least let's sue classic EvsW.
Actually really important question. Does anyone have that old Haruhi EvsW image about the history of manga vs the history of comics? AT least let's sue classic EvsW.
I mean I could regale the whole history myself but it really just boils down to that fact that one place respects artists and another does not
He's always been bait for straight women to latch on to.
It's like when people on Cinemaphile call Supernatural gay when they don't know shit about it outside of fanfics they've seen on AO3, not realizing that the show has those fics because it attracts a ton of straight women with its hot male protagonists.
Cinemaphile (and online cartoon fandoms in general) have a bad habit of thinking that fan content dictates what an actual property is like.
I assume because most people who watch cartoons and read comics these days are too fricking lazy and ADHD-riddled to actually watch or read whatever the original material is, so they base all of their knowledge of said property off of wiki-hopping and browsing twitter.
I can only assume that it's an American autist thing since terminally-online Americans these days tend to be a horrible combination of autistic and lazy.
Cinemaphile (and online cartoon fandoms in general) have a bad habit of thinking that fan content dictates what an actual property is like.
I assume because most people who watch cartoons and read comics these days are too fricking lazy and ADHD-riddled to actually watch or read whatever the original material is, so they base all of their knowledge of said property off of wiki-hopping and browsing twitter.
I can only assume that it's an American autist thing since terminally-online Americans these days tend to be a horrible combination of autistic and lazy.
Late Supernatural was pandering to fujoshits with the whatshisname angel.
i like comics, i m the dude buying the 1% comic market thats horror and graphic novels, and even that is in decline, the "biggest" talked about in 5 years has been "something is killing the children" and its basically a netflix stranger things wanna be or waiting to happen, and whe all know they'll make Erica a black dyke non binari lesbian cuz Aaron isn't brawn and drag/trans enough
>whe all know they'll make Erica a black dyke non binari lesbian cuz Aaron isn't brawn and drag/trans enough
James Tynion is a known quantity for injecting this type of shit into his comic by this point.
I wasn't bothered by Something is Killing the Children, it was just unoriginal but man, The Last House on the Left sucked.
Every single character had the same "voice". They all sounded like a gay man (Tynion can't write characters outside of his own voice). And the characters were cardboard cutouts. I wanted to like it based on the premise but it kept doing flashbacks to the characters as teens ""finding themselves" and by that I mean becoming gay. Like, what does this have to do with anything? The antagonist is so clearly a self insert it's ridiculous. Thanks for reading my blogpost rant.
NTAnons, but it's purely the current state of american comics sadden me because I really like stuff like 90s comics, 80s comics and Tomb of Dracula. I want things to get better but I can't ignore why things are the way they are.
moron. Indie comics die because they have to market their own shit and the lack of consistent content. It isn't good enough to just release one book every year or so to get attention. Indie creators don't even know if people would want to read their stuff until they put it out there. There needs to be a weekly anthology that lets fandoms generate around new IPs like in Japan. Creators can't just go from unknown to super star overnight outside of Japan.
>Creators can't just go from unknown to super star overnight outside of Japan.
Sure they can, we've already seen it happen with stuff like Lore Olympus and Heartstopper.
You just need to find the right niche as a creator.
Or get lucky with a Netflix deal.
There are literally thousands of indie comics that are better than anything marvel ever wrote, the average marvel and dc comic is much worse than the average indie comic
No, bro. You mean historically? That's still not true, DC used to publish sine good things. There were plenty of great indie comics back in the day too but not today.
I don't think you have any idea how bad Marvel and DC in general are, the vast majority of their comics are written by industry rejects and literal whos who don't give a frick about superheroes or their fans.
That's why they can't create new characters at all, they only push new sidekick and legacy characters one after another, those writers are not inspired artists they are random people who just want some free movie rights money by pushing generic ideas into iconic IPs
Marvel, yes, but DC was good. Indie is not an indicator of quality. Show me a publisher with a better track record.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Show me a publisher with a better track record
In general? Any of them, Image, Dark Horse, Archie all stomp Marvel and DC as a whole. DC had a short lived change of hearth for a decade or so but in the end they went back to their old ways of publishing extremely cheap stories from cheap "writers" to sell toys just like Marvel.
Marvel and DC are treated like game changers but the fact is they were never anything but the comic version of those big studios that desperately push shitty movies from anything that is trending by hiring Z-list directors.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Image
Stopped reading right there. Go sit in the corner.
8 months ago
Anonymous
At least he didn't say IDW.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'll probably take them over Image slop... nah, that's a lie, but still.
8 months ago
Anonymous
IDW's going in the shitter because they don't know what the frick to do with their licenses besides TMNT. >You want to read Transformers? Here's Starscream forming a conspiracy with one of the Constructacons , and as a reward he's going to brainwash one of the other Constructacons into forming a gay marriage with the one he's conspiring against. Also here's G.I. Joe for the fiftieth fricking time goring robots. >You want Sonic? How about my original character instead? >You want Godzilla? Uhm... oh, yeah, I think we have that.
>nooooooo 20 page of action but then two dudes kiss? Ewwww I am so traumatised by this!!!
Lol swap those numbers.
8 months ago
Anonymous
License slop is bottom of the barrel. If you read Transformers then you are not allowed to make fun of capeshitters. You're the same.
8 months ago
Anonymous
LIcense shit can be good if it's made by people who give a shit and isn't restricted by the copyright owner to Hell and back.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's true, Marvel and DC have absolutely no quality control, they have literally nothing that makes them superior to the competition, their writers couldn't possibly be cheaper, who is writing Marvel and DC? A bunch of literal whos who simply couldn't find a better job, there are nearly no fans working there no great writers who wanted to move there after some massive sucess.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Image is 80% trash and 20% decent stuff. They have no masterpieces, it's all just slop.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>their writers couldn't possibly be cheaper, who is writing Marvel and DC?
The same hacks that write for Image.
The problem is that people use a very weird definition of indie here, where it's basically just a catchall for anything that's not part of the big 2.
Personally I do not consider Image to be indie, same with Dark Horse, Boom, or Dynamite.
Not him but I don't consider Image indie but if we must >Kaya >Ultramega >Ghost Cage >Murder Falcon >Step By Bloody Step >Black Science >East of West >Rumble
Kaya, Ultramega, Rumble, Black Science and Step By Bloody Step. And I don't need to read shit like East if West a chance because I've given Hackman more than enough chances, I'm not a marveldrone eager to check out his newest turd hoping this time will be different.
You mean the book where the STRAIGHT WHITE MALE who had CANCER has to apologize to his wife cause SURVIVING CANCER made HER feel bad. That's why nobody reads this garbage.
FYI, it gets worse later and yes, its against a white male.
i love posts like that because it clearly shows that the average Cinemaphilemblr guy doesn't even understand what woke is.
Not him but I don't consider Image indie but if we must >Kaya >Ultramega >Ghost Cage >Murder Falcon >Step By Bloody Step >Black Science >East of West >Rumble
it is easy, just thing "would something like that be printed if the gender or skin color was reversed" if the answer is no then it is definitely woke.
i actually read a few issues and it featured the white male "lead" getting beaten up by his strong wyman mother and his dad getting lectured by said strong wyman for being a bad man.
i think there was more woke stuff in it where the so called "hero" was purposefully written as a weakling or cuck so that woman could b***h at him but i don't remember
I mean the kid legit just got his powers & wont take any advice from his vet dad, so yeah him geting beat up probably makes the most sense. IDK how its "Woke".
you never see female leads getting defeated or lectured at by white men, it is always only done to make women look better then men so definitely woke
i just looked at the most recent issue and like always a black woman has to take charge and save the day while the white men are trapped in some other dimension or some shit. like always only white men are depicted with flaws, you never see female leads losing and a white man stepping in to save the day
8 months ago
Anonymous
mom literally gets lectured by the dad, sister gets lectured off for being an butthole. It really looks like your actively pulling shit out of context b/c a female appeared in a page.
8 months ago
Anonymous
not really, the male character still take it like cucks
and like I said the white male leads gets overpowered by women in pretty much every fight yet you never see female leads getting defeated by white men.
also the overall comic is always bashing the white guy as well with saying he sucks or him failing to do basic things and women having to step in to save the day.
again compare that to comics with female leads where they are always marie sues that can do everything easily and the entire comic is about how amazing and strong they are.
i don't know a single female lead comic where white guys get as much focus as women get in for example rogue sun.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Lol again this def.sounds like a projection problem, but it's all good.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>point out examples of woke stuff in comics >Cinemaphilemblr always goes straight to personal attacks
and that is why nobody buys comics anymore.
like I said you can't name a single non woke comic let alone a single female lead comic where female characters get constantly rescued or beaten up by white guys.
8 months ago
Anonymous
My dude you find woke in everything, like woke is the current gl shit rogue Sun isn't even near that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>dude a comic where the white male lead get constantly rescues or beaten up by woman is totally not woke
you are delusional. you never see female leads written as pathetic like that.
in manga we at least still get male lead that actually get to win fights and rescue female characters
8 months ago
Anonymous
>constantly
His mom saves him once
Just fricking once and Dylan was already well-established to be a rookie fighting against foes way more experienced than him and Dylan manages to defeat her literally in the next issue
8 months ago
Anonymous
Woke comics use to be pretty good.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's pretty amazing how Morrison and Gaiman were doing troony hypno in the 80s and 90s, yet people act like it's a new thing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
it's funny how the anon makes clear examples of why it is woke and you can't even refuse it with counter examples of female leads that get treated the same.
like I said I don't know a single comic with a female lead where the female lead constantly needs help from white men or gets constantly defeated by white men.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you never see female leads getting defeated or lectured at by white men, it is always only done to make women look better then men so definitely woke
i just looked at the most recent issue and like always a black woman has to take charge and save the day while the white men are trapped in some other dimension or some shit. like always only white men are depicted with flaws, you never see female leads losing and a white man stepping in to save the day
i actually read a few issues and it featured the white male "lead" getting beaten up by his strong wyman mother and his dad getting lectured by said strong wyman for being a bad man.
i think there was more woke stuff in it where the so called "hero" was purposefully written as a weakling or cuck so that woman could b***h at him but i don't remember
The mom is in the wrong here
She gets beaten by her son and is sealed up
The whole point of the exchange between the mom and dad is that they're BOTH awful people and their divorce fricked their son up
8 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for being sane when all the dude went was lmao woke women.
>not woke >first fight he has against a female character ends with him getting beaten up and having to be rescued by his mom who then also ends up easily defeating them
jesus, modern comics are in such a terrible state if that is your best example for non woke
Because monopolies suck and I'd rather soft for diamonds in the rough with indie comics than grow complacent with corporate garbage. Besides, 9% of any market share is pretty good, especially in a market as oversaturated as comic books.
I am amazed it is not lower considering how every comic ever yweek follows the same woke checkbox.
I am not even being over dramatic but if you read a comic released by marvel or dc during the last 8 years there is an almost 90% chance that it will feature one or more of the following things >male character being depicted shirtless or taking a shower simply for sexual exploitation >male character being rescued by a female character >male character being defeated by a female character >white male character getting ordered around or told what to do by a female character >white male character being the butt of every joke >white male character being insulted or disrespected by a female character and him just accepting it like a spinless weakling >white male character crying while female character remain masculine and stoic
The recent tim sheridan shit feels so weird to see, like idk why you would make a selling point of beating Comics gate. I have no pony in either side of that shit, but i don't buy media to stick it to some political faction.
>Goes to Cinemaphile >they talk about comics and cartoons with more respect and less weebgaygorty than Cinemaphile
so what do we get the rejects or something?
>Toonami thread on here
Awful painful nonsense >Thread on Cinemaphile that ends up talking about Toonami because it's an old show like the Tenchi threads
Nice and chill.
True but legit on Cinemaphile there's thread talking about older animation and people saying early digital cartoons look better than early digital anime (which is true) but like no one mad at people for saying that.
>and people saying early digital cartoons look better than early digital anime
Lol, I definitely never see that on Cinemaphile, the only people who could believe that are Americans, and they're sorely outnumbered on Cinemaphile.
Pretty much.
The spergs that try to jerk off about their shitty shounen taste over there get kicked out pretty quick. So they come here to shit everything up in an attempt to assuage their annihilated asses.
I don't know why tr/a/nime gays think that this means manga is on top on the US, kids comics absolutely dominate the market. Shit like Dog Cop sells millions and millions of copies with each release, because little kids like comics and graphic novels aimed at them.
Anon, half of those aren't aimed at kids.
It's a moot point though, since you were trying to argue that American kid's comics are the majority of the market, which obviously isn't true, as the biggest publisher in terms of sales is a manga publisher.
8 months ago
Anonymous
They're mostly shounen anon...shounen literally means boy and they others look like high school teen girl shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Actually, about half of those are shoujo, and Zom 100 is seinen.
But again, it's a moot point.
The fact that you're trying to compare something like Dog Man to something like Frieren is already kind of ridiculous.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Kids read those manga, most adults don't unless they're like a fricking normie who thinks wow anime and manga mature because the standards for what's ok in children's media is different than Japan but I don't know that so I think it's adult cuz boobs and blood!
8 months ago
Anonymous
... what the frick are you on, zom100 is legit ma rating.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you're moronic, a manga like Frieren would be comparable to a YA comic, not a kid's comic.
Kodomo is kid's manga, shounen and shoujo are aimed at tweens and teens, not 7 year olds like Dog Man is.
Fricking Call of the Night is literally about a 40 year old vampire chick grooming a 14 year old boy.
Kids still read them, can't tell me a 12 year old doesn't love this trash look at it, kids read this shit, unless the got helicopter parents, it's kiddy shit the style and the writing like Jesus.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Black person, kids also read Berserk, that doesn't mean it's for kids.
Kids watched Robocop, that doesn't make it for kids.
Are you moronic?
8 months ago
Anonymous
That manga looks like kid shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
As is typical of Cinemaphile, you're talking about something you've never read, because you're moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't need to read it to know this written for kids but it's edgy as hell so it's slap with mature readers sticker.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Right, like I said, moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
yeah and my highschool friends watched porn. Doesn't mean it's marketed towards them
8 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you're moronic, a manga like Frieren would be comparable to a YA comic, not a kid's comic.
Kodomo is kid's manga, shounen and shoujo are aimed at tweens and teens, not 7 year olds like Dog Man is.
Fricking Call of the Night is literally about a 40 year old vampire chick grooming a 14 year old boy.
you homosexuals are srs, the fricking point is that jap sells what you want to buy
but americans sells you one thing and surprise its actually woke shit all inside
it's just like when you homosexuals complain that something has sexy women, and ask us to go watch porn >japs sell what you want and say so in the cover >muricans deceive you and call you a biggot if you complain
8 months ago
Anonymous
>mommy mommy mommy I saw a gay in a comic! Baaawwww
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Dude what the frick? I bought a comic that's supposed to be about action? Why is this all about a superhero I used to like cuddling with- >WOWOOOOOOW BIGOT CHUD WHAT'S THE MATTER WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF A LITTLE BOYS LOVE HMMMMM UHM PERHAPS YOU DON'T KNOW THAT UHM. YES. HOMOSEXUALS EXIST AND TRUMP LOST. DEAL WITH IT INCEL NAZI SCUM WE DON'T WANT YOU READING ANYWAY! >Okay. I'll go read manga >PPPPPEEEEEDDDDOOOOOPPPPHHHHHIIIIILLLLEEEE!
8 months ago
Anonymous
>nooooooo 20 page of action but then two dudes kiss? Ewwww I am so traumatised by this!!!
8 months ago
Anonymous
>20 pages of action
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"Oh no, a perfectly fine steak but someone put a bogger in your sauce bo-ho"
>seeing gays gives me nightmares! I need comics to be a safe space from gays!
8 months ago
Anonymous
Unironically yes. Why do you think making fun of people is going to make them buy more comics? Do you do the same to black people that complain about making fun og black people?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You wouldn’t be buying comics in any case. You just want to b***h and moan culture war bullshit
8 months ago
Anonymous
Meant for
>nooooooo 20 page of action but then two dudes kiss? Ewwww I am so traumatised by this!!!
8 months ago
Anonymous
I spend a good 20-30 dollars weekly at my local shop. Even sifting through all the queer shit. Blow your homosexual brains out.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sure you did. You flat out refuse to buy any comics now because you saw a gay in comics. 100% normal and rational behaviour. Very cool and authentic anecdote.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Dude everyone I don't like is secretly a Nazi chud just like r/comics warned me about! >Pattern recognition is totally bullshit and everyone OWES western publishers that have no intent on changing the expectation that they should change!
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yes you got triggered by a gay character
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes you got triggered by a gay character
Yes.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Finally you admit being a little b***h.
>TRRRRIIIIGGGEERRED!
The left can't meme.
It’s not a meme, it’s a fact
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dude all you've done is sperg this entire thread. Stop projecting your tard rage.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sure thing, I’m absolutely a little b***h then. They should absolutely prefer to sell comics to me rather than people who don’t buy them.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>TRRRRIIIIGGGEERRED!
The left can't meme.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Spends entire thread b***hing that people don't like gayshit in their comics >>Y-Y-YOU'RE THE TRIGGERED ONE, NOT ME!
(You) are the reason people don't like homosexuals.
8 months ago
Anonymous
But you are triggered. You got so triggering you now refuse to read any western comics. It’s absolutely pathetic b***h behaviour.
8 months ago
Anonymous
When they stop sneaking in gayshit I may reconsider.
8 months ago
Anonymous
When you're resorting to stealing dead memes from /misc/tards who were 14 at the time, it's probably a sign that you should smash your modem with a hammer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s absolutely pathetic b***h behaviour.
That describes every single one of your posts.
Limp-dicked pathetic b***h whining.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Who keeps crying about gays existing every day? Oh right, you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Oh right, you.
t. totally not a crying b***h
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yea I did, and I - who buy comics - stopped buying any of them with blatant gay shit. You - who buys no comics - seem to think that’s a good thing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I AM THE REAL FAN
no you are just a bigot
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why do this? Genuine question. I don’t believe you own a single floppy. I buy comics every Wednesday.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Even though they have gays in them? So now you’re a liar.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I already addressed this. You’re trolling at this point.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, I am mocking homophobes. And you keep getting your girly fee fees hurt when someone calls your stupidity out
8 months ago
Anonymous
Mocking is trolling.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Awwwwww the homophobe can’t even handle little banter anymore. Someone needs to refill their testosterone prescription
8 months ago
Anonymous
>The "guy" sperging about people hating gayshit assumes being on testosterone is normal
Oh, god, it's a troon. That makes so much sense.
Can you assure us that you don't take hormones? Because you seem like the kind of person that needs to dilate or you "vag" will close.
8 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair, it could be a pooner.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one who assumes people can take HRT like tic tacs.
Obsessed
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why is it so hard for you to admit you're not popping estrogen?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're not denying it, troony.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Butthurt homosexual responds to "homophobes" almost as soon as they type >Gets called a troon >Suddenly, silence >Comes back with only a one-word response
KEK!
Of course, the homosexual that was acting like a passive-aggressive homosexual the whole thread is a troon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That’s a lot of projection and insecurity coming from someone whose hobbies consist of crying on the internet that there are too many gays in his comics aimed at teens
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm projecting that someone called me a troon?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>That’s a lot of projection and insecurity coming from someone whose hobbies consist of crying on the internet that there are too many people not buying* gays in his comics aimed at teens
8 months ago
Anonymous
You sound awfully triggered.
Even some people at dc are calling him out on co opting a shit feminist take to sell books.
Because like Taylor with Jon Kent it’s a dude weaponizing a sexuality out of spite and trying to glean clout from it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one who assumes people can take HRT like tic tacs.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>No, I am mocking homophobes. And you keep getting your girly fee fees hurt when someone calls your stupidity out
Lol look at this cope
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not butthurt that people are saying my personality/identity is trash, you are!
8 months ago
Anonymous
Here’s a tissue
8 months ago
Anonymous
Is offering to wipe up the other guy something common in gay circles, or something?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"Oh no, a perfectly fine steak but someone put a bogger in your sauce bo-ho"
8 months ago
Anonymous
>20 page of action
Yes, american comics are known for their great action.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>20 page of action
In your fricking dreams.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>nooooooo 20 page of action
You've never touched a comic in your entire life, have you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>the 20 pages of action are two people crying about how scary student loans and white people are.
>no you can't show gore or horror in comics think of the children i will traumatize them and turn them into maniacs >yes you can show homosex to children its not grooming it will not affect they minds actually if you dont show it you are a bigot
the absolute state of the murican comic code
[...]
I’m sure crying about wokeness and gays every day will fix comics!
The comics code died in the early 00s and we've had loads of gore in comics ever since. It's cursing and nudity that still shy away from unless it's a comic explicitly marked for adults.
Comics code hasn’t been relevant since before you were born. Byrne’s sensational she-hulk, code era mind you, would be seen as too risqué today by marvel higher ups and there hasn’t been a code in 30 years. Almost none of the books on the market today would be vetoed by the code.
>since before we were born
Man, Cinemaphile is all underage homosexuals, huh?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Take your meds gramps.
8 months ago
Anonymous
no u
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Posting "meds"
Yup, you're a zoomer
8 months ago
Anonymous
Cinemaphile is definitely one of the younger on average boards. TONS of teens and early 20somethings with moronic takes.
Cinemaphile is probably one of the oldest on average boards.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I said before you were born, not me. And it wasn’t relevant even before I was born, in 1991. As evidenced by my sensational she-hulk example.
Why argue as if my post disappeared when you replied?
8 months ago
Anonymous
The code was strictly enforced in the 50s and 60s, then loosened up in the 70s and loosened up further in the 80s and 90s when Marvel and DC published direct market books that didn't have the code at all. But it was still enforced to some extent, they had issues with things like blood in the 90s (either needed to be colored black or brown, never red).
8 months ago
Anonymous
So now you’ve begun to quibble over our own definitions of “relevant”?
I accept your concession.
>Doesn't even know of short-selling
>know of
Shut up you ESL zoomer. You don’t know a goddamn thing about investment. A bunch of moronic millennials and zoomers just old enough to toss 1000 dollars on robinhood yet too schizo to understand actual INVESTMENT comes from bigger stakes over longer periods of time are not “investors”.
They’re day traders. Investors INVEST time and money
8 months ago
Anonymous
The fact that there were code-books that were sold on newsstands, grocery stores, drug stores, and non-code books you could only get through comic shops is proof that it was still relevant. Once the entire industry went direct market, it was a vestigial organization that only lasted a few more years.
I'm suprised no one's talked about the current price of comics, shits unsustainable 5$ for some of the stuff coming out is insane. Can't forget the variant madness.
Comics are ancillary merchandise. Worth less than t-shirts and coffee cups.
The lack of beautiful big tittied biological heterosexual women has been a detriment to the American comic book industry. Have you seen One Piece? Have you seen Nami and her giant breasts?
For the morons, Japan has the following demographics: >kodomo
Toddler comics, made for 3-8 year olds typically >shonen/shojo
Targets boys and girls aged 10-16 >seinen/josie
The young adult demographic, made primarily 19-25 year old men and women
Manga wouldn’t be popular if Japanese people didn’t depict themselves as white.
Sorry not sorry Japanons but you need to stop with these copes:
>Based on Jomon beauty
99% of the population don’t look Jomon. This is like Dravidians making cartoons and saying that their characters are based on Aryan beauty. >Based on cats
Anime/manga is based on Disney and other foundational American animation studios which are based on white people. You could take the original Snow White, edit a few things, and it would look very similar to modern anime styles.
Japanese people have flatter faces and wider noses. When they don’t have flat noses they have beak noses, which doesn’t show up in anime/manga that much. The majority of anime/manga features characters with pointy noses and side profiles with lots of forward growth. Whenever you see a young and attractive white character in anime/manga 90% of the time they are going to be drawn exactly the same as young and attractive Japanese characters.
on cats
I really don't understand this meme either. Cats evolved to appeal to what humans find cute. Manga tries to minmax visual appeal using techniques started by western animation. Of course there's going to be similarities.
manga is popular because japanese people write characters that are human first and make people across the globe relate to them
american comic books, specially super heroes ones, put being american over being human. no one besides americans will like it
Moeblob and cheap animation ruined anime, i hate that shit with a passion.
Why does bad taste always beat quality? Normalgays are moronic, we need WW3 today. Fire is the cleanser.
I can't help but feel that the 2 people posting as much possible queer content for both the "east" and "west" might happen to be actual fans of those genres respectively.
>All these comics and manga gays arguing over their mid takes for the cape shit and shonen slop while I read webcomics, esoteric mangas and french euro kino
Oh for sure if you use webtoon. But I sorta see it's showing the same issues with manga, just faster and more formatted digitally. I stick to anything hivework or self hosted
>Oh for sure if you use webtoon
So...the majority of webcomics?
Even a lot of the self-hosted stuff has gone to shit, stuff like Romantically Apocalyptic, Gone With the Blastwave, and Unsounded are few and far between.
these threads are less East Vs West and More Big Two vs Shounen Jump.
Euro comics sometimes get brought mostly Franco-Belgium maybe UK comics but never Italian, Spanish, or German comics.
I regret getting into comics. It’s so different from mainstream depictions that It ruined all my favorite heroes and tainted my view of their brand. When you have losers like Scott Snyder writing iconic characters and run them into dirt, how do you except to grab casuals attention? All it does is just turn normies away.
this is why adaptations are so important for the superhero genre. you get to keep what works, toss what doesn't, and introduce new ideas. many beloved characters are the way they are today because an adaptation came along that blew every other interpretation out of the water.
I mainly read french and Japanese comics. If I want to read cape stuff I only read really old releases. Currently reading Action Comics #651 (1938). Highly enjoyable writing and the art is pleasant to look at.
But They just don't make them like they used to. Not the writing nor the art. The people who work in the American comics industry really should be ashamed of themselves. No matter how I try to enjoy it, everything is lowbrow. 90% belong in the garbage. Writers high on their own farts and amateur artists who need to go back to training.
20 years ago the woke were seething in universities and onlime forums and now they control the industry. Your seething can lead to change but it will collect a big price of your well being and time. Are you willing to pay it?
anon, the only reason why woke people got into power is because bankers got scared shitless after occupy wallstreet and spent billion in propaganda to put the focus on gender and race bullshit bashing straight white guys 24/7
ask yourself when was the last time you saw people talk about wealth inequality instead of "we need to get ride of white men!"
>ask yourself when was the last time you saw people talk about wealth inequality instead of "we need to get ride of white men!"
Shut the frick up the same people preaching white guilt are the same "progressives" that are b***hing about "the 1%."
Remember occupy wallstreet, where wealthy bankers sent organizations they sponsored such as pre-BLM black groups, and ANTIFA to disrupt protests against bankers?
I don't even think conservatives are better, i'm just wondering if there is any hope for our moronic planet.
Yeah but once someone mentions the queer shit the thread is ruined. I think the fans deserve the industry to crash if they're this obsessed with gays and cheesecake.
Complaining about shit other than forced homoshit in American comics as the reason decline of the industry is like going to an active housefire and complaining that some electrical lines are downed.
Manga is still a creative industry. It's driven by new works that don't overstay their welcome, passion fueled artists, and long running franchises like Dragon Ball are the exception not the rule. Even then majority of the so called long runners really have only been going for at least 20-30 years max.
Meanwhile comic books have been dominated by the same superhero stuff for the past century. Comic books really aren't even about comic books anymore it's about the movies, cartoons, and merch of the characters.
>and long running franchises like Dragon Ball are the exception not the rule
Fate series
Lupin III
Case Closed
Golgo 13
Doraemon
Gundam
Dokaben
Kochikame
Minami no Teio
Cooking Papa
Baki
Kinnikuman
Ha joke no Ippo
Berserk is continuing past the author’s death
Etc. etc. etc.
>14 series >2 of which aren't even manga >1 of which literally got its start as a porn game
Bro, how many manga do you think there are on the market?
This isn't even enough properties to reliably fill a single magazine.
I'm surprised you didn't call him out for including Berserk, since that one's continuing because the author left notes for how the series was going to continue and probably end.
if we reduce purely to the American direct market (which removes Kid comics, euro comics manga ect) yeah but as pointed in this thread the Direct market is getting smaller year by year at this point
what is the Canadian comics market like? I would assume there would be more franco belgium stuff available compared to America consdering French is the main language of Quebec and Montreal
It’s the single clearest problem in comics. Not just gay shit but “woke” shit. I don’t care that it’s a nebulous term, I don’t care that boomers use it. We all know what it is. gays and diversity.
It's a portion of itz but it's not the entire woods. There's Hella issues with decompressed storylines, abysmal plot lines that have little to nothing about woke politics shit, an aging fanbase and apathetic younger base, PRICES. Not like woke shit like hawkgirl isn't garbage but there's a lot more problems than just woke.
>I’m sure crying about wokeness and gays every day will fix comics!
When publishers learn that the public doesn't want to be lectured from a bunch of out-of-touch homosexuals or have their power-fantasies be turned into an avenue for gays to jerk off to, then maybe I and others will consider buying a floppy again.
Yes. I am describing the conditions in which I, a person who didn't hold any strong feelings on this crap before it was shoved in media, will consider buying said media again, and know that huge swarms of the buyer's remorse population feel the described by other people who have stated such in here.
Congratulations, you are starting to learn how to read.
It's a portion of itz but it's not the entire woods. There's Hella issues with decompressed storylines, abysmal plot lines that have little to nothing about woke politics shit, an aging fanbase and apathetic younger base, PRICES. Not like woke shit like hawkgirl isn't garbage but there's a lot more problems than just woke.
You cannot get the price any lower in America. Cost of living is too high to pay artists and writers any lower than they’re already getting and digital maintenance and server costs tally up to just about the same as physical production costs.
Decompression and shifty plots, I’d argue, are a problem because of the homosexual writers who spend 12 pages of 22 on conversations meant to validate gays
The price of comics has gone well beyond inflation. In the 60s, a comic cost 12 cents, that's the equivalent 1.22 in today's money. In the 90s it was 1.25 which is the equivalent of 2.74 now.
If they want to subsidize the industry with whales so the minnows can get games at decent prices, I'm all for it. Too bad the comic industry didn't figure out a way to do that.
Not every game sold for around $50 at launch back then.
The same is also true now.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Whales factor into p2w and non-essential purchases. DLC is essential and part of the base game held back for artificial lifecycle expansion and to make up for the reluctance to raise the base price.
I've been wondering about this a lot, why arent american cartoons straight adaptations of the source material? They always diverge really far off and rarely, if ever, is the artwork even remotely similar to the art in the comics.
For what? For example, X-Men is the only one I can think of that actually resembled the comics and that ran for a while. And it still doesn't explain why the storylines aren't properly adapted, there's always some sort of waterdown or substantial change. I'm commenting on this because I feel that anon is right about the manga and anime having synergy with each other while no Spider-Man cartoon is the same and none has properly adapted the storylines as they were on the pages.
I've been wondering about this a lot, why arent american cartoons straight adaptations of the source material? They always diverge really far off and rarely, if ever, is the artwork even remotely similar to the art in the comics.
The American animation industry is completely different from Japan's. As in so different the only thing they really have in common is that they make cartoons.
Then why not take the hint and try their method to test the waters? Adapt Spider-Man, the single most popular super hero, as-is from the very fist story in Amazing Fantasy #14 and go on from there.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Then why not take the hint and try their method to test the waters?
because the entire "let's make our own while using the title just for branding" thing has been completely etched into western writing, and as you know they hate changing anything about how they do stuff even if it would be better
8 months ago
Anonymous
Because that's not how these things work, that's not how the industry works, that's not how investors, executives, middle management, etc etc work. And thats the way they like it.
The Japs regularly make changes to the source material in adaptations. The manga often make changes to the source material as well when they're pulling from light novels.
8 months ago
Anonymous
They're usually WAY closer than cartoons though, save for fillers.
Comics went to shit. After 2007(The cursed year of entering the post-neo-nu-modern period), they were nothing but absolute dogshit.
They deserve to fail, the future(or what is left of it), belongs to Cinemaphile.
2000s comics were mostly absolute garbage. Around 2008-2011 Marvel was allowed to make some final good stuff as a farewell before Disney fully screwed everything up.
For what? For example, X-Men is the only one I can think of that actually resembled the comics and that ran for a while. And it still doesn't explain why the storylines aren't properly adapted, there's always some sort of waterdown or substantial change. I'm commenting on this because I feel that anon is right about the manga and anime having synergy with each other while no Spider-Man cartoon is the same and none has properly adapted the storylines as they were on the pages.
The "motion comic" adaptation of "Who Is The Black Panther?" was pretty close to the source, far more than the X-Men cartoon.
American writers and creatives in industries like film and television have 0 respect for...anything, in most cases, so they tend to gladly change and butcher someone else's work.
And American fandoms and creatives are giant pussies and/or sellouts so they will gladly smile as the American corporations butcher that property that they really liked.
Just look at how The Wheel of Time got butchered.
Books were popular
TV show (a short term investment)
TV show was popular, more seasons (short term investment)
TV show ends, show is still popular, make spin-offs (short term investments)
>Then why not take the hint and try their method to test the waters?
because the entire "let's make our own while using the title just for branding" thing has been completely etched into western writing, and as you know they hate changing anything about how they do stuff even if it would be better
Because that's not how these things work, that's not how the industry works, that's not how investors, executives, middle management, etc etc work. And thats the way they like it.
And thus that's how they crash? With a whimper, rather than a bang?
Live action is simple and easy
GoT had a high budget tho.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>GoT had a high budget tho.
I said simple and easy, not cheap. Although yeas for the most part live live-action shows are VERY cheap to pump out. But rarely shows like GoT do enough for the company to warrant a big budget, cartoons usually don't.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>And thus that's how they crash? With a whimper, rather than a bang?
Are you high or something?
8 months ago
Anonymous
If there's anything the western entertainment industry hates more than their own fans, it's change, so yes, they will ride it all the way to the bottom before trying to ape anything from japan.
You sound like a crypto moron and I won’t knock that but actual investors prefer long term no dips. I’d prefer you know what you’re talking about if you’re going to speak. Also, again, nothing you said has anything to do with the post anon made.
Books were popular
TV show (a short term investment)
TV show was popular, more seasons (short term investment)
TV show ends, show is still popular, make spin-offs (short term investments)
This isn’t true at all. A TV show is a multi year investment, a movie is a short term investment comparatively. Both are awful investments and most productions lose money.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't even know of short-selling
8 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but he's right. Shareholders care about short term gains. If a company starts losing substance, they won't give a shit about any "long-term" gains, they'll take their cash to some other company that can keep making their bank account go up since they give zero shits about the companies they're investing in.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You’re absolutely the same anon and this is not true. This is zoomer app trader mentality. That IS NOT investment.
Investors study the market and exploit market inefficiencies. They do not engage in day trading and dip buying.
The fact that there were code-books that were sold on newsstands, grocery stores, drug stores, and non-code books you could only get through comic shops is proof that it was still relevant. Once the entire industry went direct market, it was a vestigial organization that only lasted a few more years.
More shit that has nothing to do with that discussion.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah dude, every anon that knows that shareholders chase short-term profits at the expense of a company's goodwill with its userbase is the same fricking person.
Christ, you're a moron.
Books were popular
TV show (a short term investment)
TV show was popular, more seasons (short term investment)
TV show ends, show is still popular, make spin-offs (short term investments)
Why are western romance comics so rare. There's bajillions of romance manga but It's being oversaturated with >"I was the villainess and now I'm dead but I went back in time to not be the villainess also we're going to be parodying a made-up genre of visual novels that doesn't even exist, frick you for wanting an actual fantasy world"
>DC releases LGBTQIA+ comic steeped in queer politics >has to compete with manga that is regularly released about cute 'true love' gay romances
Western comics don't have a ghost of a chance when it comes to the Gay Comics market.
I recall reading somewhere that Heartstopper's author is a BL/yaoi hater who still thinks of the genre in terms of decades-old stereotypes. SasaMiya is a celebration of BL and fujo/fudan culture. Those seem diametrically opposed.
>LGBTQIA+ MANGA >MASSIVE >Dick Fight Island
lmao
And western comics think they can win over the market with queer non-binary transwomen ranting against the patriarchy for entire issues? That's literally gay porn that sells, yo. CIS PALE WHITE-SKINNED MALE gay porn, at that.
Sandman is just a great well-written series. It even did gays/lesbians/aids/abuse without being obnoxious about it.
Good writers in the comicbook industry nowadays get bullied out by mean girls and their pet men.
To be fair a big problem with Western and romance comics back then was that they were at the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of quality. At least the Weeb romance books often have some diamonds in the rough or at least some really enthusiastic authors.
For people who don't know what this image implies - dude starts dating shapeshifting kaiju monster. It's girl series that got censored in western release for too many manjis (swasticas).
The CCA was more of a blanket issue that impacted EVERYTHING. he main thing it directly hurt however was horror comics which were the third member of the shit trio alongside cowboys and romance
8 months ago
Anonymous
The CCA stopped mattering in 1971 when Stan Lee decided to just ignore them and write what he wanted to write. It's been over a half-century and western comics are still 99% capeshit. Just because horror comics were hard to do back then doesn't mean it's acceptable for them to still be nonexistent in 2023.
To put it in perspective, over a year after Marvel ran that unauthorized Spider-Man storyline, Devilman started serialization and pretty much invented the modern shonen manga scene that's gone on to leave them and DC behind in the dust. In all that time, Western comics haven't been able to come up with anything innovative or competitive, and the only defense is to blame a censorship board from the 1950s that no longer exists.
People who say the CCA killed romance comics are people spreading a decades-long ignorant meme. Marvel and especially DC were publishing romance comics well into the 70s. If girls had kept buying them, they would have still kept making them.
Decades of the underground scene rebeling against being considered a children's medium means there's an aversion to creating straightforward, breezy stories withing genre conventions. That's been changing some but with shitty gay tumblr stuff no one wants to read.
They mostly parody the older romance light novels that were popular in Korea with younger women, but never get translated because they're generic and boring. So it's not a made up setting, they're just bad. If you look deep enough, you can see some manhwa that are of the older genre too.
Where you have a female protagonist who's perfect and kind in a fantasy European setting, usually pseudo-french, who is doted on by the powerful male lead while one female character, usually the current fiancee of the male lead, tries to stop her by bullying her, poisoning her or spreading rumours or something which then causes the male lead to break up with her and go with the female protagonist instead.
Isekai makes for 2% of all manga. I never understand people that compare it with capeshit. When the more apt comparison is battle shounen which makes for less than 20% of all manga but is closer in abundance to capeshit.
I cant believe that us 90s Chads got to see our favorite comic book characters become CULTURAL PHENOMENONS on the big screen, while the comics themselves sank even further into the hole. and the same problems with the current comic book industry are now reflected with the latest phase of comic book movies. comics and their characters are once again being regulated to dreck and have a lowwer tolerance from the normal people. we won for a time, but we also seem have watched our moment in the sun go by... sniff... if only they stuck to the comic formulas that worked and not this stupid reimagining's that always stink
Comics went to shit. After 2007(The cursed year of entering the post-neo-nu-modern period), they were nothing but absolute dogshit.
They deserve to fail, the future(or what is left of it), belongs to Cinemaphile.
Millar is kind of turning into what Scorsese is for film and what Miyazaki is for anime; an old accomplished boomer who recognizes the problems but is powerless to really fix things beyond just making wannabes seethe.
Who cares? I want all comics to die.
Does France have a healthier department?
>Another major comic book market is France, where Franco-Belgian comics and Japanese manga each represent 40% of the market, followed by American comics at 10% market share.
What french comics are popular over there? What they do to ensure a healthy scene?
1. Let the writer do whatever the frick he wants.
2. Let the writer own his IP.
3. Comic publishers are novel publishers.
That's basically what Image does
You have to pay for distribution yourself which is why if they can't sell off the rights, they go on hiatus/get abandoned.
>pay for distribution yourself
That sounds really backwards.
Well if you sell the rights to netflix or something then you're set. Otherwise... yeah...
>netflix
What if I DON'T want all my characters to turn into non-binary queer black transwomen?
>What they do to ensure a healthy scene?
no woke shit, tons of cool and masculine straight white male heroes and sexy female characters, it is the norm for a french comic to feature at least one super busty female character in skimpy clothes.
also the art is much better and the stories more original
>no woke shit, tons of cool and masculine straight white male heroes and sexy female characters, it is the norm for a french comic to feature at least one super busty female character in skimpy clothes.
No. None of that is actually true. Moebius is dead, and Milo Manara is retired. Modern writers and artists mostly create the same stupid stories as American indie comic book writers and artists.
>also the art is much better and the stories more original
No. It's not 1980s anymore, French BD art is much, much worse than American comic book art now.
The only actual reason why Frenchmen still buy French BDs is state support (basically subsidies) for artists and higher prices for manga (because French translators are very greedy and ask for 50% of licensing fees, and most Frenchmen refuse to buy and read comics and manga in English or any other languages). If France was not a socialist hellhole and had the same free market economy as the US, manga would have 80% market share by now, if not more.
Not every comic is a super hero comic
What's the other 10%.
>Source: literal who on twitter as reported by boundingintocomics
The figure is correct though, but in terms of larger scale book markets. The average consumer of american comic products wont get there trades from Barnes and noble, the main avenues will be LCS or online.
so it's a complete nothingburger then. i figured.
Because they live comfortably with their parent company's money. But when the parent company are now in the shit with economy, debts, flopped projects and union fiasco, the parent company might reconsider shutting down comic division to save up cost
I’ll be so happy when that happens!
Long as the IPs generate money in other mediums, doubt the comic divisions themselves will die. As is they are a cheap way to farm out new ideas to plug into movies and diapers.
comics are a content mausoleum, new production is just a facade
Mark Millar has as much individual sales numbers as we do
But he's way more at fault.
If he's talking about the book channel, yea, that's probably about right, but overall it's probably closer to 12-15%.
>open random manga
>impresive art and story
>open random comic
>some homosexual drama and shitty draws
ghee i wonder
Yes, I'm sure the secret to manga's success is that there isn't anything remotely gay about it.
Jojo is still somehow less gay than your average American comic.
You have never read Jojo. And also you are a moron, but that's unrelated.
I accept your concession.
>last series literally has a troony everyone wants to frick
Yeah manga made by a homosexual for homosexuals.
Meant for
nope.
The problem is that comic writing pays for shit in most cases, so most good writers only do comics to get movie deals or move on to TV. Gay stuff can be fine, as long as the story is excellent.
I hope to god that gif related isn't your idea of well-written gay stuff.
No the problem is you have passionless failed tv writers as the only people they pull from anymore. There isn’t anyone who wants to just write good comics, they’re just desperate to get ANY OC pushed through for the slim chance at royalties. Also most professional writers at that scale are so far up the ass of the propaganda machine they work in they think those political mandates they follow are their own original thoughts
You wouldn’t recognise an original thought if it kicked you in the nuts
You’re not wrong.
Jesus Fricking Christ
My problem is the writers are complete scumbags with shit like this. Alan was straight for 80 years and suddenly he’s not just bi or gay he’s the gayest man in the history of the world AND in the 1930s
And you have the writer, Tim Sheridan, picking fights with actual fans online rather than just accepting the exact reaction he intended to garner: shock and outrage.
Even some people at dc are calling him out on co opting a shit feminist take to sell books.
Green Lantern?
>Abbacchio and Bucciarati were 20
Shit, I thought they were older with the way they acted. Life hit those 2 hard.
>O-Oh yeah? Well this manga has a character that makes my coomrot homoerotic girldick hard, so that means Manga is just as homo-pandering as "Buttfricker #69: Superman Green Lantern Iceman and Nightwing all go to Fire Island and make a super glory hole!" How can you say gay shit is a problem NOW?!?!
>HOLY SHIT, A COMIC MADE FOR GAY DUDES!
>THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE TWO LARGEST WESTERN PUBLISHERS FOREFRONTING GAY CHARACTERS AND USING LEGACY BESTSELLER IPS TO PUSH RADLEFT SHIT!?
Why is it always the most braindead fallacies with you homosexuals?
Why is it always these desperate false equivalences where you pretend that some Webtoon-equivalent shit that's probably selling a hundredth of the sales of something like Naruto is the exact same as DC turning the son of Superman, you know, SUPERMAN, into a homosexual?
Why do you homosexuals take out-of-context panels like
that, for all anyone knows, could be some gag manga or some one-off joke.
...Or like that one pedophile earlier in the thread that thought Astro Boy was supposed to be sexualized?
Who do you homosexuals think you're convincing by retorting with that limp-dicked moronic shit?
Viz has a division for kids that publishes kid's stuff exclusively, so that number's probably combining both, and even then the label of "kid's" really isn't consistent. A lot of shonen over there is kid-appropriate in Japan when in the states that shit's YA (i.e. Dragon Ball having kid Goku pulling off Bulma's panties because he can't find "the balls" or Yamcha in the same series saying that he's "not a e-girlcon.")
It’s totally in context
Whenever some mainstream series like Boruto, One Peice, or MHA starts featuring covers like this, then you'll have a point. It's like you're physically too moronic to comprehend that yaoi and the like can co-exist as genres to the shit that people actually read because the split in genre doesn't cause people to get blindsided by that shit through some bait-and-switch by the publisher.
So stop dumping your backlog list you homosexual.
I'm not disagreeing. I'm stating that Viz explicitly has a Viz Kids division that they use to publish shit that they know are for kids by Western standards. Stuff like Pokemon Adventures. Dragon Ball edges a little beyond western audience sensibilities for kid's media due to all the violence, sex jokes, and Bulma/Goku nudity.
>Well muh shounen manga
Every fricking time.
What the frick are you even trying to whine about you redditspacing cuck?
DB was so edgy it got to air on American TV barely censored wow....
>barely censored
I accept your concession.
And that's also implying that the anime doesn't censor anything from the manga either. In the example I mentioned earlier with Yamcha, he states in the manga why he doesn't want to take kid Chi-Chi as a girlfriend because he's "not a e-girlcon." The panel has her laying KO'd on the ground rump in the air. In the anime, the conversation is held as Yamcha bikes away, in which he answers he's "only interested in girls his age" when "I'm not a pedophile" would have kept the joke.
That’s just not true. They edited everything from the beer Roshi drinks to the blood they cough up to the dismembered limbs.
Hell the piccolo saga was held back for years despite dragon ball being shown because of him coughing up eggs and baked yajirobe slicing up tambourine like a loaf of bread.
It's still not that edited, it's still the same show.
It literally isn’t the same show. For years American audiences were left wondering why chi chi and goku were married, who the hell piccolo was and why goku hated him, who the hell yajirobe was and what significance the korrin tower had.
They literally removed 30 episodes worth of content.
JAPAN
>cover shows gay men shenanigans
>inside has gay men shenanigans
>cover shows years old classic hero
>inside has classic hero stories/action
MURICA
>cover shows years old classic hero
>inside has gay men shenanigans
NO, your childhood hero is now a gay and if you don't liek it your a biggot homophobe you should read it yo should let child read comics stop being a manchild go watch porn if you don't like it
In Japan the covers often have nothing to do with the content.
you can also read a review of both before buying o wait... PICRELATED
>Noooooooo a LGBTQ superhero comic has LGBTQ content???!!!?
Are you going to cry about yaoi manga being gay next?
That's not the gay porno genre, it's the superhero genre that for some reason focuses on homosexuality for some reason.
>GAY SUPERHEROES CANNOT EXIST ;_;
Said the homophobe while crying in a fetal position
>Said the homophobe
People still think homophobe is an insult?
Dragon Ball for kids, is and Japan.
>Why
Because they are Marvel sunk cost fallacy fanboys desperately trying to claim everything is just as bad as their awful comics
Cinemaphile is pretty much the only board where people are allowed to defend crap, /tg/ aknowledged that DnD is trash years ago just like Cinemaphile with Naruto.
At least DND can claim its succeding as a product in terms of popularity/expansion.
D&D has become trash since 2008, we had time.
>Reibun Ike
top 5 common japanese name
but srls do you people not understand that the thing is if you buy a superhero comic/manga you expect it to have superhero action and story, not a fricking gay drama propaganda soap opera
o you wanth gay shit, of course japan sells gay shit but it's marketed as such, in the fricking cover and you don't buy it accidentaly
but if you pick a comic with a superhero you better expect to get alteast 10 pages of homosexualry
>nooooo I want to see muscular and half naked men bunch each other and wear spandex!
>How dare you insert gay shit into this!!!!
>t. 13 year old
The difference is that the gay overtones don't overshadow the story, characters, or action. In fact, they add to the aesthetics.
I wouldn't even call it "gay" aesthetics since it's pretty much just drawing characters like prints in a fashion magazine.
The most gay shit you get in JoJo is the offhand visual joke, and even then it's either for something that's ridiculous as frick or at some chracter's expense.
Jojo works cause its so gay that its straight. Japanese talent at work.
Helps that they are all into heterosexuals who only date biological women.
Jojo is the based kinda gay. Where everyone are dressed like homosexuals yet are some how all straight boys
that's the exact opposite of based. you're putting up with the homosexualry of gays without any of the gay sex.
Who the hell wants to see gay sex?
>he doesn't wanna see gay sex
what are you, gay?
This. Like the jokes in borat.
Nobody cares. They don’t apply to the american and they don’t need to. Your autism to upholding their language in English is absurd.
Like homosexuals who call them tankobons or whatever. They’re trade paper backs.
>Nobody cares.
Then don't talk about it. moron.
Come on Cinemaphile, let’s show those chuds that love is love!
This is legit the same marketing strategy as eric july.
A bunch of his detractors are not only not CG but vocally anti-CG. Is he moronic? Even gay people hate him.
he's just a bit shit as a writer, and the fact he doing mini which everyone before it even comes out knows is basically "Green Lantern was always gay chud!" is not endearing him a audience
There’s also just the fact that everyone, whether they’re gay or normal, would have preferred a straight boomer father bonding with his gay son over a straight boomer father being made gay just like his son for no other reason than spite after the earth 2 complaints almost a decade ago.
>He-Man Revelation on the shelf
I can't tell if this is full parody anymore lol
JoJo is inspired by Glam Metal though, it's a different brand of gay from what modern comics do.
Yaoi and yuri are more respectful, less obnoxious, more romantic, and more visually appealing.
And yaoi/yuri are actually aimed at an audience, instead of arbitrarily making a character gay to check a box.
damn the biggest gaslight of comics jean literally mentalgayged him just because for fun, and they say xavier was bad
How do I put it. American comics have that globohomosexual kinda of gay, while manga got that classic gayness.
>Opens random manga
>this sucks the old ones were better
>Opens random comic
>this sucks the old ones were better
It isn't like Millar, the pinnacle edge lord, is out there working on expanding the American comic market.
Not quite fair to post a page from something released 13 years ago.
funny how the old Nemesis is actually a good and 10 times better than the shit whe get with the new Nemesis reboot just so he could stick it to his Millarverse
Why do you care about sells? comics always going to exist as long as people do. OH WOW THIS ONE DID MORE NUMBERS you just hate it if it gets popular anyways.
>comics always going to exist
Not at this rate. And good riddance.
As long as people can put things in print or online, comics will exist only way comics can't exist is if we lived in Mad Max land or all people died out.
We'll see if they can still do it though.
Name a medium that died.
>imb4
RADIO
still alive man.
>Why do you care about sells? comics always going to exist as long as people do.
Do you have terminal disease? Because the comic book industry does.
I don't work in the industry, it's not my problem if a book doesn't sell why should I care? OH BECAUSE COMICS WILL DIE like I said as long as stuff can be printed or put online comics will exist so whatever.
What is the other 91%?
Probably kid's comics and manga.
And also manhwa these days.
Geeze I wonder why....
>Manga
>mostly typical and modern trash selected by English publishers because it will do well number cause it's lowest common denominator
>Anything actually unique and cool usually left in Japan and rarely translated even by fans.
I hate the American manga industry.
Eww, a hipster, I didn't know they still made these things.
Modern manga is mostly dogshit and you can't tell me otherwise, if anything it worst than manga just because they make more of it.
Eww, the hipster replied to me, fricking gross.
>Modern manga is mostly dogshit
Maybe to you. But you know what? PEOPLE BUY THEM!
People always bought trash, even when comics sold well people bought trash comics.
Sells never meant quality, if that was the case things be lot different, it's why I'm not a numbersgay.
You're wrong and mad.
Name a good one.
Hirayasumi.
Looks like any other throwaway slice of life.
Looks like you're trying to cope. I will not sanction your buffoonery.
anyone who try to claim that manga is just as bad as marvel is either lying or in denial
I would rather not read either.
>if anything it worst than manga just because they make more of it.
What the hell is this ESL garbage?
Modern manga gave me Hirayasumi and Veil which are both fantastic reads so at least it has that going for it.
So you only focus on the amount of garbage and not the amount of good? Interesting
They've been getting better the last couple of years. Lot of great manga getting licensed.
This is missing the 3rd American "mature" comic, which is the auto-biographical ones where the writer feels his mundane life and experiences mean frick all.
Actually really important question. Does anyone have that old Haruhi EvsW image about the history of manga vs the history of comics? AT least let's sue classic EvsW.
Anyone?
I mean I could regale the whole history myself but it really just boils down to that fact that one place respects artists and another does not
Because manga heroes don't prance around in tights like homosexuals.
?????
>Muh Astroboy
You're too old to be here grandpa.
??????????
This is literally one of the gayest characters from the gayest shonen series in the last decade.
Man...last time I checked Gojo picked up b***hes like a fricking dogcatcher.
He's always been bait for straight women to latch on to.
It's like when people on Cinemaphile call Supernatural gay when they don't know shit about it outside of fanfics they've seen on AO3, not realizing that the show has those fics because it attracts a ton of straight women with its hot male protagonists.
Cinemaphile (and online cartoon fandoms in general) have a bad habit of thinking that fan content dictates what an actual property is like.
I assume because most people who watch cartoons and read comics these days are too fricking lazy and ADHD-riddled to actually watch or read whatever the original material is, so they base all of their knowledge of said property off of wiki-hopping and browsing twitter.
I can only assume that it's an American autist thing since terminally-online Americans these days tend to be a horrible combination of autistic and lazy.
>American America America
Speaking of autists...
Late Supernatural was pandering to fujoshits with the whatshisname angel.
he may be right but its mark millar so i dont care
I just want mecha manga to come back.
>"Big 2" + Indie
>Make up 9% of the sales
Mangachads keep winning without ever lifting a finger.
Couple of Greenbois BTFO decade old industry
Why the frick are even on this board to begin with?
To suffer
i like comics, i m the dude buying the 1% comic market thats horror and graphic novels, and even that is in decline, the "biggest" talked about in 5 years has been "something is killing the children" and its basically a netflix stranger things wanna be or waiting to happen, and whe all know they'll make Erica a black dyke non binari lesbian cuz Aaron isn't brawn and drag/trans enough
>whe all know they'll make Erica a black dyke non binari lesbian cuz Aaron isn't brawn and drag/trans enough
James Tynion is a known quantity for injecting this type of shit into his comic by this point.
I wasn't bothered by Something is Killing the Children, it was just unoriginal but man, The Last House on the Left sucked.
Every single character had the same "voice". They all sounded like a gay man (Tynion can't write characters outside of his own voice). And the characters were cardboard cutouts. I wanted to like it based on the premise but it kept doing flashbacks to the characters as teens ""finding themselves" and by that I mean becoming gay. Like, what does this have to do with anything? The antagonist is so clearly a self insert it's ridiculous. Thanks for reading my blogpost rant.
i like watching this medium collapse while occasionally finding something worth reading every once in a while.
Same
NTAnons, but it's purely the current state of american comics sadden me because I really like stuff like 90s comics, 80s comics and Tomb of Dracula. I want things to get better but I can't ignore why things are the way they are.
I still like Red Sonja.
Why are you even on this website third world monkey?
The guy who made this thread posted it on Cinemaphile
I love comics and want them to learn form their successful Japanese cousins.
>Cinemaphile every time Cinemaphile comes to visit
The fault lies in the fans, not the product.
I feel bad for indie comics. They're basically manga for the US but weve been scarfing the Big 2 for so long that we ignore them/
Well they aren't very good, that's why they're ignored.
What have you read?
A lot of shit, sadly.
moron. Indie comics die because they have to market their own shit and the lack of consistent content. It isn't good enough to just release one book every year or so to get attention. Indie creators don't even know if people would want to read their stuff until they put it out there. There needs to be a weekly anthology that lets fandoms generate around new IPs like in Japan. Creators can't just go from unknown to super star overnight outside of Japan.
>Creators can't just go from unknown to super star overnight outside of Japan.
Sure they can, we've already seen it happen with stuff like Lore Olympus and Heartstopper.
You just need to find the right niche as a creator.
Or get lucky with a Netflix deal.
Webtoons doesn't count
Why not?
Sounds like it's a them problem. Definitely not my problem.
There are literally thousands of indie comics that are better than anything marvel ever wrote, the average marvel and dc comic is much worse than the average indie comic
DC had Vertigo, that was one of the best comic labels for two decades.
Oh stop the ONLY people who say this like the progressive themes in those comics or think “different is automatically good” when it comes to art.
Most of vertigo is forgettable schlock.
No, bro. You mean historically? That's still not true, DC used to publish sine good things. There were plenty of great indie comics back in the day too but not today.
I don't think you have any idea how bad Marvel and DC in general are, the vast majority of their comics are written by industry rejects and literal whos who don't give a frick about superheroes or their fans.
That's why they can't create new characters at all, they only push new sidekick and legacy characters one after another, those writers are not inspired artists they are random people who just want some free movie rights money by pushing generic ideas into iconic IPs
Marvel, yes, but DC was good. Indie is not an indicator of quality. Show me a publisher with a better track record.
>Show me a publisher with a better track record
In general? Any of them, Image, Dark Horse, Archie all stomp Marvel and DC as a whole. DC had a short lived change of hearth for a decade or so but in the end they went back to their old ways of publishing extremely cheap stories from cheap "writers" to sell toys just like Marvel.
Marvel and DC are treated like game changers but the fact is they were never anything but the comic version of those big studios that desperately push shitty movies from anything that is trending by hiring Z-list directors.
>Image
Stopped reading right there. Go sit in the corner.
At least he didn't say IDW.
I'll probably take them over Image slop... nah, that's a lie, but still.
IDW's going in the shitter because they don't know what the frick to do with their licenses besides TMNT.
>You want to read Transformers? Here's Starscream forming a conspiracy with one of the Constructacons , and as a reward he's going to brainwash one of the other Constructacons into forming a gay marriage with the one he's conspiring against. Also here's G.I. Joe for the fiftieth fricking time goring robots.
>You want Sonic? How about my original character instead?
>You want Godzilla? Uhm... oh, yeah, I think we have that.
Lol swap those numbers.
License slop is bottom of the barrel. If you read Transformers then you are not allowed to make fun of capeshitters. You're the same.
LIcense shit can be good if it's made by people who give a shit and isn't restricted by the copyright owner to Hell and back.
It's true, Marvel and DC have absolutely no quality control, they have literally nothing that makes them superior to the competition, their writers couldn't possibly be cheaper, who is writing Marvel and DC? A bunch of literal whos who simply couldn't find a better job, there are nearly no fans working there no great writers who wanted to move there after some massive sucess.
Image is 80% trash and 20% decent stuff. They have no masterpieces, it's all just slop.
>their writers couldn't possibly be cheaper, who is writing Marvel and DC?
The same hacks that write for Image.
The problem is that people use a very weird definition of indie here, where it's basically just a catchall for anything that's not part of the big 2.
Personally I do not consider Image to be indie, same with Dark Horse, Boom, or Dynamite.
I haven't seen a single western indie comic that had nice art and wasn't woke
Cerebus?
i guess its a matter of opinion but the art doesn't hook me
Rogue sun
Not him but I don't consider Image indie but if we must
>Kaya
>Ultramega
>Ghost Cage
>Murder Falcon
>Step By Bloody Step
>Black Science
>East of West
>Rumble
None of these are great, they're mostly mediocre or below average.
Which ones have you read?
Kaya, Ultramega, Rumble, Black Science and Step By Bloody Step. And I don't need to read shit like East if West a chance because I've given Hackman more than enough chances, I'm not a marveldrone eager to check out his newest turd hoping this time will be different.
Meant for
>Murder Falcon
You mean the book where the STRAIGHT WHITE MALE who had CANCER has to apologize to his wife cause SURVIVING CANCER made HER feel bad. That's why nobody reads this garbage.
FYI, it gets worse later and yes, its against a white male.
i love posts like that because it clearly shows that the average Cinemaphilemblr guy doesn't even understand what woke is.
it is easy, just thing "would something like that be printed if the gender or skin color was reversed" if the answer is no then it is definitely woke.
>Reading comprehension
>If I insult people in greentext it means I win
i actually read a few issues and it featured the white male "lead" getting beaten up by his strong wyman mother and his dad getting lectured by said strong wyman for being a bad man.
i think there was more woke stuff in it where the so called "hero" was purposefully written as a weakling or cuck so that woman could b***h at him but i don't remember
I mean the kid legit just got his powers & wont take any advice from his vet dad, so yeah him geting beat up probably makes the most sense. IDK how its "Woke".
also his dad is a shit person.
you never see female leads getting defeated or lectured at by white men, it is always only done to make women look better then men so definitely woke
i just looked at the most recent issue and like always a black woman has to take charge and save the day while the white men are trapped in some other dimension or some shit. like always only white men are depicted with flaws, you never see female leads losing and a white man stepping in to save the day
mom literally gets lectured by the dad, sister gets lectured off for being an butthole. It really looks like your actively pulling shit out of context b/c a female appeared in a page.
not really, the male character still take it like cucks
and like I said the white male leads gets overpowered by women in pretty much every fight yet you never see female leads getting defeated by white men.
also the overall comic is always bashing the white guy as well with saying he sucks or him failing to do basic things and women having to step in to save the day.
again compare that to comics with female leads where they are always marie sues that can do everything easily and the entire comic is about how amazing and strong they are.
i don't know a single female lead comic where white guys get as much focus as women get in for example rogue sun.
Lol again this def.sounds like a projection problem, but it's all good.
>point out examples of woke stuff in comics
>Cinemaphilemblr always goes straight to personal attacks
and that is why nobody buys comics anymore.
like I said you can't name a single non woke comic let alone a single female lead comic where female characters get constantly rescued or beaten up by white guys.
My dude you find woke in everything, like woke is the current gl shit rogue Sun isn't even near that.
>dude a comic where the white male lead get constantly rescues or beaten up by woman is totally not woke
you are delusional. you never see female leads written as pathetic like that.
in manga we at least still get male lead that actually get to win fights and rescue female characters
>constantly
His mom saves him once
Just fricking once and Dylan was already well-established to be a rookie fighting against foes way more experienced than him and Dylan manages to defeat her literally in the next issue
Woke comics use to be pretty good.
It's pretty amazing how Morrison and Gaiman were doing troony hypno in the 80s and 90s, yet people act like it's a new thing.
it's funny how the anon makes clear examples of why it is woke and you can't even refuse it with counter examples of female leads that get treated the same.
like I said I don't know a single comic with a female lead where the female lead constantly needs help from white men or gets constantly defeated by white men.
The mom is in the wrong here
She gets beaten by her son and is sealed up
The whole point of the exchange between the mom and dad is that they're BOTH awful people and their divorce fricked their son up
Thank you for being sane when all the dude went was lmao woke women.
>not woke
>first fight he has against a female character ends with him getting beaten up and having to be rescued by his mom who then also ends up easily defeating them
jesus, modern comics are in such a terrible state if that is your best example for non woke
He literally one-shots his mom in the next issue
Now make it 0%.
Because monopolies suck and I'd rather soft for diamonds in the rough with indie comics than grow complacent with corporate garbage. Besides, 9% of any market share is pretty good, especially in a market as oversaturated as comic books.
American comics are a hollow shell of their former selves. The creative spirit lies with manga.
Looks those IDW Godzilla comics but with somehow even more bland and generic art.
Half-Century War is the exception not the rule Anon
>tries to make another East vs West argument
>posts one of the worst manga out there
Dude can you at least post something universally liked like Berserk or Vagabond
tbh though it feels like we equate a lot of problems to the big 2, but the problems don't persist as much in the other companies.
I am amazed it is not lower considering how every comic ever yweek follows the same woke checkbox.
I am not even being over dramatic but if you read a comic released by marvel or dc during the last 8 years there is an almost 90% chance that it will feature one or more of the following things
>male character being depicted shirtless or taking a shower simply for sexual exploitation
>male character being rescued by a female character
>male character being defeated by a female character
>white male character getting ordered around or told what to do by a female character
>white male character being the butt of every joke
>white male character being insulted or disrespected by a female character and him just accepting it like a spinless weakling
>white male character crying while female character remain masculine and stoic
in other words
>superheroes only make up 9% of the comic book market in the US
how is that a bad thing?
The recent tim sheridan shit feels so weird to see, like idk why you would make a selling point of beating Comics gate. I have no pony in either side of that shit, but i don't buy media to stick it to some political faction.
I hate comicsgate for being annoying homosexuals but Tim Sheridan is also an annoying homosexual
I'm also not fond of gay Alan Scott
>Goes to Cinemaphile
>they talk about comics and cartoons with more respect and less weebgaygorty than Cinemaphile
so what do we get the rejects or something?
>rejects or something?
Toonami was a mistake
>Toonami thread on here
Awful painful nonsense
>Thread on Cinemaphile that ends up talking about Toonami because it's an old show like the Tenchi threads
Nice and chill.
People primarily use weebism as a proxy war to whine about wokeness in comics
True but legit on Cinemaphile there's thread talking about older animation and people saying early digital cartoons look better than early digital anime (which is true) but like no one mad at people for saying that.
>which is true
lol
lmao even
Have you watched early digital anime? the colors are rough man.
Us stuff the colors are far better, still rough but not as bad.
>and people saying early digital cartoons look better than early digital anime
Lol, I definitely never see that on Cinemaphile, the only people who could believe that are Americans, and they're sorely outnumbered on Cinemaphile.
Pretty much.
The spergs that try to jerk off about their shitty shounen taste over there get kicked out pretty quick. So they come here to shit everything up in an attempt to assuage their annihilated asses.
The only way to save capeshit at this point is to let it die already.
weebs don't have standards. they only care if something was made in japan or not.
Have you seen those korean manga's?
They are complete dogshit, and for some reason full of cuckolding, koreans are really in to that apparently.
case in point
Unlike the cape babies, they only accept the highest quality possible.
Is the implication here that the other 91% is manga?
Scholastic as well
No
but maybe like 60%
I don't know why tr/a/nime gays think that this means manga is on top on the US, kids comics absolutely dominate the market. Shit like Dog Cop sells millions and millions of copies with each release, because little kids like comics and graphic novels aimed at them.
no shit because kids parents buys them scholastic bodies everyone.
>kids comics absolutely dominate the market
Today I will remind them.
Yeah most of what Viz publishes is kids comics.
Anon, Viz is a manga publisher.
They almost exclusively publish manga.
Children manga which what most of this stuff is.
Anon, half of those aren't aimed at kids.
It's a moot point though, since you were trying to argue that American kid's comics are the majority of the market, which obviously isn't true, as the biggest publisher in terms of sales is a manga publisher.
They're mostly shounen anon...shounen literally means boy and they others look like high school teen girl shit.
Actually, about half of those are shoujo, and Zom 100 is seinen.
But again, it's a moot point.
The fact that you're trying to compare something like Dog Man to something like Frieren is already kind of ridiculous.
Kids read those manga, most adults don't unless they're like a fricking normie who thinks wow anime and manga mature because the standards for what's ok in children's media is different than Japan but I don't know that so I think it's adult cuz boobs and blood!
... what the frick are you on, zom100 is legit ma rating.
Kids still read them, can't tell me a 12 year old doesn't love this trash look at it, kids read this shit, unless the got helicopter parents, it's kiddy shit the style and the writing like Jesus.
Black person, kids also read Berserk, that doesn't mean it's for kids.
Kids watched Robocop, that doesn't make it for kids.
Are you moronic?
That manga looks like kid shit.
As is typical of Cinemaphile, you're talking about something you've never read, because you're moronic.
I don't need to read it to know this written for kids but it's edgy as hell so it's slap with mature readers sticker.
Right, like I said, moronic.
yeah and my highschool friends watched porn. Doesn't mean it's marketed towards them
Anon, you're moronic, a manga like Frieren would be comparable to a YA comic, not a kid's comic.
Kodomo is kid's manga, shounen and shoujo are aimed at tweens and teens, not 7 year olds like Dog Man is.
Fricking Call of the Night is literally about a 40 year old vampire chick grooming a 14 year old boy.
you homosexuals are srs, the fricking point is that jap sells what you want to buy
but americans sells you one thing and surprise its actually woke shit all inside
it's just like when you homosexuals complain that something has sexy women, and ask us to go watch porn
>japs sell what you want and say so in the cover
>muricans deceive you and call you a biggot if you complain
>mommy mommy mommy I saw a gay in a comic! Baaawwww
>Dude what the frick? I bought a comic that's supposed to be about action? Why is this all about a superhero I used to like cuddling with-
>WOWOOOOOOW BIGOT CHUD WHAT'S THE MATTER WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF A LITTLE BOYS LOVE HMMMMM UHM PERHAPS YOU DON'T KNOW THAT UHM. YES. HOMOSEXUALS EXIST AND TRUMP LOST. DEAL WITH IT INCEL NAZI SCUM WE DON'T WANT YOU READING ANYWAY!
>Okay. I'll go read manga
>PPPPPEEEEEDDDDOOOOOPPPPHHHHHIIIIILLLLEEEE!
>nooooooo 20 page of action but then two dudes kiss? Ewwww I am so traumatised by this!!!
>20 pages of action
>seeing gays gives me nightmares! I need comics to be a safe space from gays!
Unironically yes. Why do you think making fun of people is going to make them buy more comics? Do you do the same to black people that complain about making fun og black people?
You wouldn’t be buying comics in any case. You just want to b***h and moan culture war bullshit
Meant for
I spend a good 20-30 dollars weekly at my local shop. Even sifting through all the queer shit. Blow your homosexual brains out.
Sure you did. You flat out refuse to buy any comics now because you saw a gay in comics. 100% normal and rational behaviour. Very cool and authentic anecdote.
>Dude everyone I don't like is secretly a Nazi chud just like r/comics warned me about!
>Pattern recognition is totally bullshit and everyone OWES western publishers that have no intent on changing the expectation that they should change!
Yes you got triggered by a gay character
>Yes you got triggered by a gay character
Yes.
Finally you admit being a little b***h.
It’s not a meme, it’s a fact
Dude all you've done is sperg this entire thread. Stop projecting your tard rage.
Sure thing, I’m absolutely a little b***h then. They should absolutely prefer to sell comics to me rather than people who don’t buy them.
>TRRRRIIIIGGGEERRED!
The left can't meme.
>Spends entire thread b***hing that people don't like gayshit in their comics
>>Y-Y-YOU'RE THE TRIGGERED ONE, NOT ME!
(You) are the reason people don't like homosexuals.
But you are triggered. You got so triggering you now refuse to read any western comics. It’s absolutely pathetic b***h behaviour.
When they stop sneaking in gayshit I may reconsider.
When you're resorting to stealing dead memes from /misc/tards who were 14 at the time, it's probably a sign that you should smash your modem with a hammer.
>It’s absolutely pathetic b***h behaviour.
That describes every single one of your posts.
Limp-dicked pathetic b***h whining.
Who keeps crying about gays existing every day? Oh right, you.
>Oh right, you.
t. totally not a crying b***h
Yea I did, and I - who buy comics - stopped buying any of them with blatant gay shit. You - who buys no comics - seem to think that’s a good thing.
>I AM THE REAL FAN
no you are just a bigot
Why do this? Genuine question. I don’t believe you own a single floppy. I buy comics every Wednesday.
Even though they have gays in them? So now you’re a liar.
I already addressed this. You’re trolling at this point.
No, I am mocking homophobes. And you keep getting your girly fee fees hurt when someone calls your stupidity out
Mocking is trolling.
Awwwwww the homophobe can’t even handle little banter anymore. Someone needs to refill their testosterone prescription
>The "guy" sperging about people hating gayshit assumes being on testosterone is normal
Oh, god, it's a troon. That makes so much sense.
>Now he’s seeing trans people everywhere
Ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahshaha
Can you assure us that you don't take hormones? Because you seem like the kind of person that needs to dilate or you "vag" will close.
To be fair, it could be a pooner.
Obsessed
Why is it so hard for you to admit you're not popping estrogen?
You're not denying it, troony.
>Butthurt homosexual responds to "homophobes" almost as soon as they type
>Gets called a troon
>Suddenly, silence
>Comes back with only a one-word response
KEK!
Of course, the homosexual that was acting like a passive-aggressive homosexual the whole thread is a troon.
That’s a lot of projection and insecurity coming from someone whose hobbies consist of crying on the internet that there are too many gays in his comics aimed at teens
I'm projecting that someone called me a troon?
>That’s a lot of projection and insecurity coming from someone whose hobbies consist of crying on the internet that there are too many people not buying* gays in his comics aimed at teens
You sound awfully triggered.
Because like Taylor with Jon Kent it’s a dude weaponizing a sexuality out of spite and trying to glean clout from it.
I'm not the one who assumes people can take HRT like tic tacs.
>No, I am mocking homophobes. And you keep getting your girly fee fees hurt when someone calls your stupidity out
Lol look at this cope
>I'm not butthurt that people are saying my personality/identity is trash, you are!
Here’s a tissue
Is offering to wipe up the other guy something common in gay circles, or something?
>"Oh no, a perfectly fine steak but someone put a bogger in your sauce bo-ho"
>20 page of action
Yes, american comics are known for their great action.
>20 page of action
In your fricking dreams.
>nooooooo 20 page of action
You've never touched a comic in your entire life, have you?
>the 20 pages of action are two people crying about how scary student loans and white people are.
Wow dude, you really proved that anon wrong.
Geeze maybe the trannies, queers and a shitton of homosex doesn't really mix that well with the superhero power-fantasy
>manga is SUPER HETEROSEXUAL YOU GUYS!!!
>No men kissing
>No naked men in bed
That's the worst you can do?
This homie trying to bait when yaoi exist also yeah gay comics always existed too so what, both your fights are pointless.
>oh a comic about a man with ice power i wonder what it is like
>GAY SEX
>b-but the bed is made of ice dont be a biggot
>oh a manga about a man with ice power i wonder what is like
>a man with ice powers fighting and showing how he uses his ice powers
>oh a manga that clearly says YAOI it must be gay sex
>yep its gay sex
totally not an agenda agains't consumers
You’re just a bigot
You have no power here.
Yeah I don't read yaoi, sorry.
>no you can't show gore or horror in comics think of the children i will traumatize them and turn them into maniacs
>yes you can show homosex to children its not grooming it will not affect they minds actually if you dont show it you are a bigot
the absolute state of the murican comic code
no but maybe bankrupt will
The comics code died in the early 00s and we've had loads of gore in comics ever since. It's cursing and nudity that still shy away from unless it's a comic explicitly marked for adults.
>violence is better than sex
the absolute state of the murican
Comics code hasn’t been relevant since before you were born. Byrne’s sensational she-hulk, code era mind you, would be seen as too risqué today by marvel higher ups and there hasn’t been a code in 30 years. Almost none of the books on the market today would be vetoed by the code.
>since before we were born
Man, Cinemaphile is all underage homosexuals, huh?
Take your meds gramps.
no u
>Posting "meds"
Yup, you're a zoomer
Cinemaphile is definitely one of the younger on average boards. TONS of teens and early 20somethings with moronic takes.
Cinemaphile is probably one of the oldest on average boards.
I said before you were born, not me. And it wasn’t relevant even before I was born, in 1991. As evidenced by my sensational she-hulk example.
Why argue as if my post disappeared when you replied?
The code was strictly enforced in the 50s and 60s, then loosened up in the 70s and loosened up further in the 80s and 90s when Marvel and DC published direct market books that didn't have the code at all. But it was still enforced to some extent, they had issues with things like blood in the 90s (either needed to be colored black or brown, never red).
So now you’ve begun to quibble over our own definitions of “relevant”?
I accept your concession.
>know of
Shut up you ESL zoomer. You don’t know a goddamn thing about investment. A bunch of moronic millennials and zoomers just old enough to toss 1000 dollars on robinhood yet too schizo to understand actual INVESTMENT comes from bigger stakes over longer periods of time are not “investors”.
They’re day traders. Investors INVEST time and money
The fact that there were code-books that were sold on newsstands, grocery stores, drug stores, and non-code books you could only get through comic shops is proof that it was still relevant. Once the entire industry went direct market, it was a vestigial organization that only lasted a few more years.
>weebs are /misc/tards
who'da thunkit
The anime girl avatars weren’t a clue?
I'm suprised no one's talked about the current price of comics, shits unsustainable 5$ for some of the stuff coming out is insane. Can't forget the variant madness.
Sie Sind Das Essen Und Wir Sind Die Jager!
So who takes up the rest of the comic market? Image comics?
>So who takes up the rest of the comic market?
It's a mystery...
Comics are ancillary merchandise. Worth less than t-shirts and coffee cups.
The lack of beautiful big tittied biological heterosexual women has been a detriment to the American comic book industry. Have you seen One Piece? Have you seen Nami and her giant breasts?
1% of the comics are responsible for 66% of the sales.
Jesus darkhorse I really hope thats out of context.
>I really hope thats out of context.
Kek
It really be like that
Anyone who works at darkhorse needs to face east and thank Miura's ghost for allowing them to have a job every morning
For the morons, Japan has the following demographics:
>kodomo
Toddler comics, made for 3-8 year olds typically
>shonen/shojo
Targets boys and girls aged 10-16
>seinen/josie
The young adult demographic, made primarily 19-25 year old men and women
Cinemaphile is full of people who are stuck at the mental level of 10 year olds
Manga wouldn’t be popular if Japanese people didn’t depict themselves as white.
Sorry not sorry Japanons but you need to stop with these copes:
>Based on Jomon beauty
99% of the population don’t look Jomon. This is like Dravidians making cartoons and saying that their characters are based on Aryan beauty.
>Based on cats
Anime/manga is based on Disney and other foundational American animation studios which are based on white people. You could take the original Snow White, edit a few things, and it would look very similar to modern anime styles.
Japanese people have flatter faces and wider noses. When they don’t have flat noses they have beak noses, which doesn’t show up in anime/manga that much. The majority of anime/manga features characters with pointy noses and side profiles with lots of forward growth. Whenever you see a young and attractive white character in anime/manga 90% of the time they are going to be drawn exactly the same as young and attractive Japanese characters.
on cats
I really don't understand this meme either. Cats evolved to appeal to what humans find cute. Manga tries to minmax visual appeal using techniques started by western animation. Of course there's going to be similarities.
... dude its literally a cartoon, half the manga characters have hairstyles that legit defy physics.
manga is popular because japanese people write characters that are human first and make people across the globe relate to them
american comic books, specially super heroes ones, put being american over being human. no one besides americans will like it
Moe blob popularity contradicts this.
Moeblob and cheap animation ruined anime, i hate that shit with a passion.
Why does bad taste always beat quality? Normalgays are moronic, we need WW3 today. Fire is the cleanser.
Moeblobs are unironically more human than your average American.
This, Bocchi the Rock managed to connect with more people than your average woke cape shit with gender politics.
I can't help but feel that the 2 people posting as much possible queer content for both the "east" and "west" might happen to be actual fans of those genres respectively.
>All these comics and manga gays arguing over their mid takes for the cape shit and shonen slop while I read webcomics, esoteric mangas and french euro kino
>while I read webcomics
Is that really something worth bragging about?
I mean it's better than the virtue singling cape shit and whatever passes for plot in manga
I dunno, considering modern webcomics are turning into literal AI-generated slop, I somehow doubt that.
Oh, no, more people can write their own comics. What a problem this is.
Ahh, you're one of those.
Opinion discarded.
>Opinion discarded.
Oh for sure if you use webtoon. But I sorta see it's showing the same issues with manga, just faster and more formatted digitally. I stick to anything hivework or self hosted
>Oh for sure if you use webtoon
So...the majority of webcomics?
Even a lot of the self-hosted stuff has gone to shit, stuff like Romantically Apocalyptic, Gone With the Blastwave, and Unsounded are few and far between.
these threads are less East Vs West and More Big Two vs Shounen Jump.
Euro comics sometimes get brought mostly Franco-Belgium maybe UK comics but never Italian, Spanish, or German comics.
Comics are more or less shrinking because of high costs, bad writing, overarching events, lack of media presence, and an aging fanbase.
Manga focuses on characters and story.
Comics focuses on promoting their brands.
Basically, comics are a(i)ds.
comics are gay and so am i
I regret getting into comics. It’s so different from mainstream depictions that It ruined all my favorite heroes and tainted my view of their brand. When you have losers like Scott Snyder writing iconic characters and run them into dirt, how do you except to grab casuals attention? All it does is just turn normies away.
this is why adaptations are so important for the superhero genre. you get to keep what works, toss what doesn't, and introduce new ideas. many beloved characters are the way they are today because an adaptation came along that blew every other interpretation out of the water.
I heard bad things about comics, but I had no idea it was this bad. I wish I could wipe my memory of everything I read. So awful.
It's really mangover isn't it?
I mainly read french and Japanese comics. If I want to read cape stuff I only read really old releases. Currently reading Action Comics #651 (1938). Highly enjoyable writing and the art is pleasant to look at.
But They just don't make them like they used to. Not the writing nor the art. The people who work in the American comics industry really should be ashamed of themselves. No matter how I try to enjoy it, everything is lowbrow. 90% belong in the garbage. Writers high on their own farts and amateur artists who need to go back to training.
20 years ago the woke were seething in universities and onlime forums and now they control the industry. Your seething can lead to change but it will collect a big price of your well being and time. Are you willing to pay it?
anon, the only reason why woke people got into power is because bankers got scared shitless after occupy wallstreet and spent billion in propaganda to put the focus on gender and race bullshit bashing straight white guys 24/7
ask yourself when was the last time you saw people talk about wealth inequality instead of "we need to get ride of white men!"
That means antiwoke could get to power in the next chamging moment.
Everyone thought covid would be one of those opportunities.
I unironically think woke is on its way out, but it may take years or decades before that manifests an improvement in American comics.
>ask yourself when was the last time you saw people talk about wealth inequality instead of "we need to get ride of white men!"
Shut the frick up the same people preaching white guilt are the same "progressives" that are b***hing about "the 1%."
>Shut the frick up the same people preaching white guilt are the same "progressives" that are b***hing about "the 1%
Horseshit. The 1% hasn't been a talking point amongst progressives in a decade, it's all maga talk now.
Remember occupy wallstreet, where wealthy bankers sent organizations they sponsored such as pre-BLM black groups, and ANTIFA to disrupt protests against bankers?
I don't even think conservatives are better, i'm just wondering if there is any hope for our moronic planet.
Comics have way more problems than just gay shit.
Yeah but once someone mentions the queer shit the thread is ruined. I think the fans deserve the industry to crash if they're this obsessed with gays and cheesecake.
Complaining about shit other than forced homoshit in American comics as the reason decline of the industry is like going to an active housefire and complaining that some electrical lines are downed.
Cinemaphile really can't get Cinemaphile's dick out of their mouth, can they? You never see these types of threads on Cinemaphile
Because they get removed.
Manga is still a creative industry. It's driven by new works that don't overstay their welcome, passion fueled artists, and long running franchises like Dragon Ball are the exception not the rule. Even then majority of the so called long runners really have only been going for at least 20-30 years max.
Meanwhile comic books have been dominated by the same superhero stuff for the past century. Comic books really aren't even about comic books anymore it's about the movies, cartoons, and merch of the characters.
>and long running franchises like Dragon Ball are the exception not the rule
Fate series
Lupin III
Case Closed
Golgo 13
Doraemon
Gundam
Dokaben
Kochikame
Minami no Teio
Cooking Papa
Baki
Kinnikuman
Ha joke no Ippo
Berserk is continuing past the author’s death
Etc. etc. etc.
Wow bro, that's half of the manga industry! You sure showed him!
Japan is full of long time franchises is a thing and you are lying when you try to claim they’re an exception.
>full of
Sure thing, lil guy.
Japan also has a healthy industry of new franchises. JJK, MHA, OPM, CSM, DS, etc. are not even 10 years old.
>14 series
>2 of which aren't even manga
>1 of which literally got its start as a porn game
Bro, how many manga do you think there are on the market?
This isn't even enough properties to reliably fill a single magazine.
I'm surprised you didn't call him out for including Berserk, since that one's continuing because the author left notes for how the series was going to continue and probably end.
Superhero stuff is “fine” as long as they keep those awful ideas restricted to their dying shitty comics.
Manga still creates new fictional characters, stories and ideas.
Comics only recycles superhero costumes.
>Comics only recycles superhero costumes.
if Comics only includes, Marvel, DC, and licensed books
So... 80% of the industry?
More like 8%
if we reduce purely to the American direct market (which removes Kid comics, euro comics manga ect) yeah but as pointed in this thread the Direct market is getting smaller year by year at this point
Just say yes.
If you say "comics" that's what 99% of people think you're talking about.
North America is the key word. Mexico and Central America is dominated by disposable unlicensed counterfeit manga.
what is the Canadian comics market like? I would assume there would be more franco belgium stuff available compared to America consdering French is the main language of Quebec and Montreal
I hate that DC is run by idiots who hire other idiots to write idiotic stories.
>Reads Godzilla vs JL
>gayshit advertised in the same comic
Who is this for?
For you, I guess, if you're willingly reading that gay shit
Every take so far has been dog shit in this thread.
Same as it ever was.
This fricking thread man....
Legit devolved into a complain about gay shit thread.
It’s the single clearest problem in comics. Not just gay shit but “woke” shit. I don’t care that it’s a nebulous term, I don’t care that boomers use it. We all know what it is. gays and diversity.
The market researchers need to accept this.
It's a portion of itz but it's not the entire woods. There's Hella issues with decompressed storylines, abysmal plot lines that have little to nothing about woke politics shit, an aging fanbase and apathetic younger base, PRICES. Not like woke shit like hawkgirl isn't garbage but there's a lot more problems than just woke.
I’m sure crying about wokeness and gays every day will fix comics!
>I’m sure crying about wokeness and gays every day will fix comics!
When publishers learn that the public doesn't want to be lectured from a bunch of out-of-touch homosexuals or have their power-fantasies be turned into an avenue for gays to jerk off to, then maybe I and others will consider buying a floppy again.
Anon you’re describing yourself
Yes. I am describing the conditions in which I, a person who didn't hold any strong feelings on this crap before it was shoved in media, will consider buying said media again, and know that huge swarms of the buyer's remorse population feel the described by other people who have stated such in here.
Congratulations, you are starting to learn how to read.
>feel the same as described
Lol egg on my face
>tldr I am bigot who will refuse to consume no media until gays cease to exist
We will not miss you
>You're a bigot
Never denied it, never will.
>We will not miss you
Who's this "we?" You're not in the industry. If you were you wouldn't be saying this shit with your abysmal sales numbers.
Yes. I don't like gay people. And that's because of redditspacing homosexuals like (you).
Sad thing is it’s clearly one of the jannies
You cannot get the price any lower in America. Cost of living is too high to pay artists and writers any lower than they’re already getting and digital maintenance and server costs tally up to just about the same as physical production costs.
Decompression and shifty plots, I’d argue, are a problem because of the homosexual writers who spend 12 pages of 22 on conversations meant to validate gays
The price of comics has gone well beyond inflation. In the 60s, a comic cost 12 cents, that's the equivalent 1.22 in today's money. In the 90s it was 1.25 which is the equivalent of 2.74 now.
and most comics these days are $4.99
Inflation calculators undershoot inflation, every product has outpaced inflation as well as the cost of living in general.
This has NOTHING to do with what I said though.
Video games are still close to the same price, much to the seething of some publishers.
>Close
What's the price of a newly-released PS5 game?
$70, but a $50 video game in the 80s would be over $120 now if they matched inflation.
You're shills for buying games for more than $60.
Not every game sold for around $50 at launch back then.
No they aren’t. They sell you an incomplete game and then put out 30-100 dollars of “dlc”.
If they want to subsidize the industry with whales so the minnows can get games at decent prices, I'm all for it. Too bad the comic industry didn't figure out a way to do that.
The same is also true now.
Whales factor into p2w and non-essential purchases. DLC is essential and part of the base game held back for artificial lifecycle expansion and to make up for the reluctance to raise the base price.
I have never felt a DLC was ever essential.
I don’t care
I just wanna say comics unironically suck now. No offense man, but the shit you read is fricking garbage.
Manga's popularity is greatly boosted by its synergy with anime.
I've been wondering about this a lot, why arent american cartoons straight adaptations of the source material? They always diverge really far off and rarely, if ever, is the artwork even remotely similar to the art in the comics.
Costs are significantly higher for production.
For what? For example, X-Men is the only one I can think of that actually resembled the comics and that ran for a while. And it still doesn't explain why the storylines aren't properly adapted, there's always some sort of waterdown or substantial change. I'm commenting on this because I feel that anon is right about the manga and anime having synergy with each other while no Spider-Man cartoon is the same and none has properly adapted the storylines as they were on the pages.
The American animation industry is completely different from Japan's. As in so different the only thing they really have in common is that they make cartoons.
Then why not take the hint and try their method to test the waters? Adapt Spider-Man, the single most popular super hero, as-is from the very fist story in Amazing Fantasy #14 and go on from there.
>Then why not take the hint and try their method to test the waters?
because the entire "let's make our own while using the title just for branding" thing has been completely etched into western writing, and as you know they hate changing anything about how they do stuff even if it would be better
Because that's not how these things work, that's not how the industry works, that's not how investors, executives, middle management, etc etc work. And thats the way they like it.
The Japs regularly make changes to the source material in adaptations. The manga often make changes to the source material as well when they're pulling from light novels.
They're usually WAY closer than cartoons though, save for fillers.
2000s comics were mostly absolute garbage. Around 2008-2011 Marvel was allowed to make some final good stuff as a farewell before Disney fully screwed everything up.
The "motion comic" adaptation of "Who Is The Black Panther?" was pretty close to the source, far more than the X-Men cartoon.
American writers and creatives in industries like film and television have 0 respect for...anything, in most cases, so they tend to gladly change and butcher someone else's work.
And American fandoms and creatives are giant pussies and/or sellouts so they will gladly smile as the American corporations butcher that property that they really liked.
Just look at how The Wheel of Time got butchered.
Investors don't like long term investments.
Explain Game of Thrones, or our current landscape of keep reusing old properties and never letting them die, then.
Books were popular
TV show (a short term investment)
TV show was popular, more seasons (short term investment)
TV show ends, show is still popular, make spin-offs (short term investments)
And thus that's how they crash? With a whimper, rather than a bang?
GoT had a high budget tho.
>GoT had a high budget tho.
I said simple and easy, not cheap. Although yeas for the most part live live-action shows are VERY cheap to pump out. But rarely shows like GoT do enough for the company to warrant a big budget, cartoons usually don't.
>And thus that's how they crash? With a whimper, rather than a bang?
Are you high or something?
If there's anything the western entertainment industry hates more than their own fans, it's change, so yes, they will ride it all the way to the bottom before trying to ape anything from japan.
Live action is simple and easy
That’s the complete opposite of the truth. They prefer long term investments. Also has absolutely nothing to do with what anon said
You build money quicker on short term investments. Buy low, sell high, rinse and repeat.
You sound like a crypto moron and I won’t knock that but actual investors prefer long term no dips. I’d prefer you know what you’re talking about if you’re going to speak. Also, again, nothing you said has anything to do with the post anon made.
This isn’t true at all. A TV show is a multi year investment, a movie is a short term investment comparatively. Both are awful investments and most productions lose money.
>Doesn't even know of short-selling
NTA, but he's right. Shareholders care about short term gains. If a company starts losing substance, they won't give a shit about any "long-term" gains, they'll take their cash to some other company that can keep making their bank account go up since they give zero shits about the companies they're investing in.
You’re absolutely the same anon and this is not true. This is zoomer app trader mentality. That IS NOT investment.
Investors study the market and exploit market inefficiencies. They do not engage in day trading and dip buying.
More shit that has nothing to do with that discussion.
Yeah dude, every anon that knows that shareholders chase short-term profits at the expense of a company's goodwill with its userbase is the same fricking person.
Christ, you're a moron.
Investors =/= producers
You sound moronic
Manga is taking over
>millar
talk about wrong messenger
Why are western romance comics so rare. There's bajillions of romance manga but It's being oversaturated with
>"I was the villainess and now I'm dead but I went back in time to not be the villainess also we're going to be parodying a made-up genre of visual novels that doesn't even exist, frick you for wanting an actual fantasy world"
You forgot
>GAYS
>DC releases LGBTQIA+ comic steeped in queer politics
>has to compete with manga that is regularly released about cute 'true love' gay romances
Western comics don't have a ghost of a chance when it comes to the Gay Comics market.
I shudder to think of how awful SasaMiya or Etranger would be as western comics. They for sure could never pull off a wild ride like Gravitation.
Heartstopper is the SasaMiya of western queer comics
I recall reading somewhere that Heartstopper's author is a BL/yaoi hater who still thinks of the genre in terms of decades-old stereotypes. SasaMiya is a celebration of BL and fujo/fudan culture. Those seem diametrically opposed.
>LGBTQIA+ MANGA
>MASSIVE
>Dick Fight Island
lmao
And western comics think they can win over the market with queer non-binary transwomen ranting against the patriarchy for entire issues? That's literally gay porn that sells, yo. CIS PALE WHITE-SKINNED MALE gay porn, at that.
What kind of BIGOT doesn't want 20 pages of THIS?!
I miss when comics drew trannies correctly...And actually made them likable characters with honest issues who had to deal with reality.
The Doom Patrol run written by an autogynephile willing to write trans skepticism with understanding.
Sandman is just a great well-written series. It even did gays/lesbians/aids/abuse without being obnoxious about it.
Good writers in the comicbook industry nowadays get bullied out by mean girls and their pet men.
CCA
Sales killed romance comics not the CCA. Which is why, like westerns and monster comics, Kirby ditched them. Detectives and capes were the sellers.
To be fair a big problem with Western and romance comics back then was that they were at the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of quality. At least the Weeb romance books often have some diamonds in the rough or at least some really enthusiastic authors.
For people who don't know what this image implies - dude starts dating shapeshifting kaiju monster. It's girl series that got censored in western release for too many manjis (swasticas).
Oh so it wasn’t the CCA then? We agree.
The CCA was more of a blanket issue that impacted EVERYTHING. he main thing it directly hurt however was horror comics which were the third member of the shit trio alongside cowboys and romance
The CCA stopped mattering in 1971 when Stan Lee decided to just ignore them and write what he wanted to write. It's been over a half-century and western comics are still 99% capeshit. Just because horror comics were hard to do back then doesn't mean it's acceptable for them to still be nonexistent in 2023.
To put it in perspective, over a year after Marvel ran that unauthorized Spider-Man storyline, Devilman started serialization and pretty much invented the modern shonen manga scene that's gone on to leave them and DC behind in the dust. In all that time, Western comics haven't been able to come up with anything innovative or competitive, and the only defense is to blame a censorship board from the 1950s that no longer exists.
People who say the CCA killed romance comics are people spreading a decades-long ignorant meme. Marvel and especially DC were publishing romance comics well into the 70s. If girls had kept buying them, they would have still kept making them.
Decades of the underground scene rebeling against being considered a children's medium means there's an aversion to creating straightforward, breezy stories withing genre conventions. That's been changing some but with shitty gay tumblr stuff no one wants to read.
They mostly parody the older romance light novels that were popular in Korea with younger women, but never get translated because they're generic and boring. So it's not a made up setting, they're just bad. If you look deep enough, you can see some manhwa that are of the older genre too.
Where you have a female protagonist who's perfect and kind in a fantasy European setting, usually pseudo-french, who is doted on by the powerful male lead while one female character, usually the current fiancee of the male lead, tries to stop her by bullying her, poisoning her or spreading rumours or something which then causes the male lead to break up with her and go with the female protagonist instead.
>There's bajillions of romance manga but It's being oversaturated with
There are still plenty of standard highschool romances, moron.
Isekai makes for 2% of all manga. I never understand people that compare it with capeshit. When the more apt comparison is battle shounen which makes for less than 20% of all manga but is closer in abundance to capeshit.
>There's bajillions of romance manga
Not if you don’t count web Comics
Women are the primary buyers of romance shit in the west and they don't really read comics. That's pretty exclusive to TV, Movies, and Books.
I cant believe that us 90s Chads got to see our favorite comic book characters become CULTURAL PHENOMENONS on the big screen, while the comics themselves sank even further into the hole. and the same problems with the current comic book industry are now reflected with the latest phase of comic book movies. comics and their characters are once again being regulated to dreck and have a lowwer tolerance from the normal people. we won for a time, but we also seem have watched our moment in the sun go by... sniff... if only they stuck to the comic formulas that worked and not this stupid reimagining's that always stink
Manga has pretty good art too.
sauce
Comics went to shit. After 2007(The cursed year of entering the post-neo-nu-modern period), they were nothing but absolute dogshit.
They deserve to fail, the future(or what is left of it), belongs to Cinemaphile.
die shit thread
Millar is kind of turning into what Scorsese is for film and what Miyazaki is for anime; an old accomplished boomer who recognizes the problems but is powerless to really fix things beyond just making wannabes seethe.
Millar is accomplished in monies, not in critical acclaim like those other two.
Fricking no one in western comics has "critical acclaim."
Morrison did until that whole "wonder woman" incident
Alan Moore
Neil Gaiman
Chris Ware