Actually at the time it was extremely controversial, but not for the virus, rather it was because Arby shoots a load of kids in a school so they can get the media to say Grant shot up the school
I rewatched this on Amazon with someone and completely missed this scene. Was it removed? I was so confused when I watched it again. The kid is suddenly on the run but it doesnt explain why. I remembered the shooting though
[...]
A child death in the intro scene, a gory murder or two, some dialogue and some shots of the environment.
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Sadly true, it's incredible but ends on a really unresolved note. It's not a crazy cliffhanger, but you still needed a 3rd season to address a few things.
Also yes, the 1st episode of season 2 is fricking incredible
Brits will be able to correct me, but if I recall the channel that made it in the UK had ratings in the dumpster and was known for making more transgressive content if I recall correctly.
Combine that with the fact that a plot like this had been a popular trope of conspiracy thrillers for decades, but that at the same time what happened in 2020 was pretty unimaginable at the time, and boom there you go.
Prepare to see this happen often in your lifetime where people will ask you "damn, how was this even made" and your answer will be "it was a different time".
Iirc Channel 4 basically put out a call for small-production shows to be made to try them out and see what worked. Misfits was one of these (the only successful one iirc), Utopia was another
They had no shortage of good shit though, Skins and the Inbetweeners were from C4. When they do drama/comedy there's no one better imo
a third series had been given the greenlight so i assume it had decent viewings but the guy in charge of channel 4, or at least in charge of whatever department greenlit it, stepped down. the new guy axed everything that came before he arrived because he didnt want anything still successful to be attributed to his predecessor. thats what i've read, at least.
Yeah that's pretty much what happened except it got renewed for a third and forth season at the same time, he put out a really smug obnoxious press release about it too which just pissed people off even more
I don't know but I'm going to guess blood. There was actually a fair bit of it.
A child death in the intro scene, a gory murder or two, some dialogue and some shots of the environment.
It's kino but goes nowhere, sadly.
Sadly true, it's incredible but ends on a really unresolved note. It's not a crazy cliffhanger, but you still needed a 3rd season to address a few things.
Also yes, the 1st episode of season 2 is fricking incredible
I was having a laugh too until I realised he's right, they're literally zoomers. Grant is the oldest and he's born in 98. There isn't really an agreed date for when gen Z starts, but most places will say 98 falls in that
Yes, most places are moronic. The minimum time frame for a generation in 2 decades. Yet that gets ignored for millennials and zoomers so social scientists have something to talk about
Reminder that not only does this show have kino cinematography, but also plenty of symbolism. Pic related, Christian imagery
In the scene where the kidnapped deep state guy explains their plan, the freemason symbol is in the top corner of the room. In the Utopia manuscript in the show, it's full of secret messages and symbols. I think the actual TV show itself does a similar thing in a meta way.
i disagree, the second season requires much more knowledge to get all the references and some hints are very very subtle. the style is different from s1 but the plot is on par or even better
Since it will never continued, it's probably better to stop after S1.
It has a satisfying ending, while S2 has cliffhanger.
Actually, stop after S2E1, that's a really good flashback episode before the season starts proper.
Yeah, pretty much this. Although Wilson's arc in season 2 is one of the best character arcs I've seen on any TV show, if you like the show its worth watching for that alone.
>monkeyvirus vaccine is named "JYNNEOS"
Unironically what the frick did they mean by this
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/clinicians/smallpox-vaccine.html
>JYNNEOS’s name was derived from Edward Jenner, the developer of the original smallpox vaccination process, known as scarification, and NEOS meaning new in Latin
>The Ukraine flag in that first still is interesting
Because the Ukrainian flag is meant to be a field of wheat against a blue sky. Makes sense in a show about food shortages.
Ukraine also produces a third of the world's wheat, and provides something like 70% of the food for the UNs food aid programmes. The supply of which is going to run out within the next 10 months.
How's it possible that the poorest country in Europe was feeding the Black folks? Frick Russia, frick the US, how did the Ukrainians let themselves be cucked to that corner? Breadbaskets used to make the rules. Why didn't they threaten to cut the supplies for better leverage to have investments made in their country?
>Why didn't they threaten to cut the supplies for better leverage to have investments made in their country?
You do realise what happened immediately before the creation of Ukraine right? A century of Russian mismanagement that completely collapsed and resulted in multiple wars? Ukraine was in no position to bargain with anyone, especially not the international organisations who were giving them aid in the first place.
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That's bullshit. Yugoslavia also collapsed, it also was highly mismanaged. Yet Croatia leveraged itself into a regional power broker while Serbia leveraged itself into irrelevant landlocked shithole. The "muh Russia's fault" is cope.
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>Croatia leveraged itself into a regional power broker
hahahaha, Viennese stable boy cope
>How's it possible that the poorest country in Europe was feeding the Black folks?
Ukraine basically is just a gigantic farm. Has some of the best soil on the planet. But it doesn't have much else.
>monkeyvirus vaccine is named "JYNNEOS"
Unironically what the frick did they mean by this
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/clinicians/smallpox-vaccine.html
Reminder that not only does this show have kino cinematography, but also plenty of symbolism. Pic related, Christian imagery
In the scene where the kidnapped deep state guy explains their plan, the freemason symbol is in the top corner of the room. In the Utopia manuscript in the show, it's full of secret messages and symbols. I think the actual TV show itself does a similar thing in a meta way.
...is utopia actually meta? It does seem like it intentionally has hidden messages in it, like the comic
I distinctly remember the corvadt ornate office having some blatant masonic symbols on the walls.
Plus it has predicted quite a lot of stuff: https://ijr.com/watch-biden-interrupted-answering-questions-led-away/
I don't think its predictive. People like David Icke, described this exact scenario in the 90s, i.e. a global pandemic to enforce a police state. Not hard to imagine the writers just running with that concept
Because Marvel fans and other low IQ morons don't care about it or even notice it and they're the most likely group of people to finance the pedo cult.
Anon, most series looked like shit back then too. Utopia stood out due to its cinematography but especially its palette / colour grading. It's not just a gorgeous colourful series for the 2010s, it's a gorgeous colourful series when compared to TV of any decade.
Even in the realm of series there is still some great cinematography and colour use. Too Old To Die Young came out in 2019. Say what you will about its length or pace or dialogue or whatever but it looks great.
But also like
Because Marvel fans and other low IQ morons don't care about it or even notice it and they're the most likely group of people to finance the pedo cult.
says, most people don't give a shit. Series are rarely made to be high-art, most of them are made to last hopefully 10 seasons so they can go in syndication and make huge money.
Don't forget the extensive use of wide shots, particularly of scenery with no people around, Iv never seen a show capture the feeling of agoraphobia before, fricking brilliant
I liked the art for the comic in the American version. I don't know if they ever released it in a book form, but I wish they did, I would have liked to actually look at it.
The comic in the American version didn't fit the narrative though, the whole idea behind it is that it's the ravings of an institutionalised madman, but the American one just looks like a standard comic book. Pic related: original vs remake
S tier characters: Dugdale, Pietre/Arby, Wilson
A tier: Milner, Jessica Hyde, Deep State bogdanoff guys in the office
B tier: Alice and Grant, Lee, Health minister
Shit tier: Ian, Becky
While I respect that list (especially bogdanoff guys and health minister placement, all three of them being based), I'd probably put Ian and Becky on B tier and bump Jessica down a peg as well.
Ian's got a pretty good character progression over the series, Becky's flawed in an interesting way, feels the most flawed and human in the original group and also has a cute accent and face.
Jessica doesn't have as strong a range of emotions or arc imo, even though she is a much more interesting character when it comes to how she behaves esp with Ian.
But again though, Dugdale Arby & Wilson? Absolutely based trio
Jessica was great in S1 as the insider who knows whats going on
Problem was in S2 everyone knew their shit so she was just another character and they really didn't know what to do with her
Afaik in the Ameriblob version they made her >le badass wasteland warrior woman
Whereas in the original she has that element but is more complicated.
E.g. when she's grooming Grant in a weird predatory way (dressing him up in humiliating clothes, getting him drunk and threatening him out of nowhere) but then when he cries for his mum she puts him to bed and cuddles him - some of her maternal instincts are still firing but she doesn't quite know how to use them and it ends up weird
If I remember: adopts the two kids, thinks everything's all fine and dandy, get told by Wilson "actually keep doing what you do, we're gonna roll out the sterilizing vaccine anyways, I'll kill your whole family if you don't comply". Time is a flat circle in true kino fashion.
Jessica was great in S1 as the insider who knows whats going on
Problem was in S2 everyone knew their shit so she was just another character and they really didn't know what to do with her
Afaik in the Ameriblob version they made her >le badass wasteland warrior woman
Whereas in the original she has that element but is more complicated.
E.g. when she's grooming Grant in a weird predatory way (dressing him up in humiliating clothes, getting him drunk and threatening him out of nowhere) but then when he cries for his mum she puts him to bed and cuddles him - some of her maternal instincts are still firing but she doesn't quite know how to use them and it ends up weird
Yeah the interactions between her and Grant are great. Something I will see a lot in books and manga, but really not often on the TV or big screen, which is understandable given how fricked it is.
The amerishart version is truly puzzling. UK Jessica Hyde looked uncanny, US Jessica Hyde looks like Dr Dre fricked Snoop Dogg and they had a daughter. I have no fricking clue what they were thinking
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Utopia was never meant to end on a positive note I don't think. As much as it pains me to say, season 2 finale could be a good overall ending for series, if not for Arby waking up and seeming like he was about to murder everyone.
idk how I'd write it but those things would happen: >Ian dies >Jessica Hyde dies >Becky gets out, possibly has a child now that the fear of her disease isn't hanging over her. Possibly broken by Ian's death >Arby goes ham, don't know if he gets a happy ending but at least he doesn't die. His life is now his to live, and he will try to become human (same as S2's start, I know I know). >Dougdale loses the son (I forget his name) possibly his wife. Loses his job but he's free. >Wilson fails. Is forced to live with the weight of his actions. >His group fails.
From there idk which is better: implying the world will descend into chaos and that Wilson's group had the right idea despite their horrendous methods, or give hope for the world, redeeming humans as flawed but enduring in the face of a changing world.
I think jessica hyde or arby killing wilson would be a nice endpoint for their characters, getting some kind of revenge on the organisation that created them.
I also think I heard somewhere that it was intended for Wilson to turn out to be far, far worse than milner ever was.
I think the story would've been far more captivating if wilson turned out to be a much better mr. rabbit though, as he was genuinely motivated by morality, intending to spare as many lives as possible and ensure the plan went as smoothly as it could, given the circumstances.
All of the network were motivated by morality, they truly believed what they were doing would save the world, that it was morally the right thing to do
Yes, but at the end of S2, Milner decides to recklessly go ahead with releasing the virus despite knowing that their vaccine doesn't work and it will kill tens of millions. Wilson then takes her place, and makes it clear that he's still going to go ahead with the plan, but with a slightly different plan involving releasing the virus somewhere remote where it can be controlled, instead of straight into major population centres. as he puts it, "you don't need a pandemic, you just need the fear of a pandemic." their overall endgoal is to make people take the vaccine, milner is willing to kill millions, while Wilson believes causing death on that scale is unnecessary
my thoughts exactly, Wilson breaks up the Network from the inside
All of the network were motivated by morality, they truly believed what they were doing would save the world, that it was morally the right thing to do
it's not the same though. Wilson was an ordinary moral person while the network were a bunch of rich manipulative morons who defined morality on their terms
>were a bunch of rich manipulative morons
I don't know what gives you that idea, members of the network came from all walks of life, from powerful politicians to fast food workers, from geniuses like Philip Carvel to morons like the health minister guy to weird autists like Arby
>fast food workers
an obsessive loner >Philip Carvel
manipulative frustrated guy who experimented on his child even before becoming a member >health minister guy
compromised by blackmail >Arby
MKUltra victim, first tortured by his father
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>an obsessive loner
What? Not exactly a rich manipulative moron either way, and the network had numerous sleeper agents going about their ordinary lives until they get the signal to carry out their part >compromised by blackmail
I wasn't talking about Dugdale I meant that redhaired guy
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>fast food workers
an obsessive loner >Philip Carvel
manipulative frustrated guy who experimented on his child even before becoming a member >health minister guy
compromised by blackmail >Arby
MKUltra victim, first tortured by his father
The health minister seemed to just be an egotistical greedy bastard. Milner even tells him that he didn't get his job out of talent, his career is successful because he does what the Network tells him to do. He loves that the people see him as a hero, and at the end of the series in a harebrained plan he attempts to steal millions of pounds as he makes his escape to Brazil, abandoning his family in the process. During this he also leaves the burden on dugdale to expose the network.
>fast food workers
an obsessive loner >Philip Carvel
manipulative frustrated guy who experimented on his child even before becoming a member >health minister guy
compromised by blackmail >Arby
MKUltra victim, first tortured by his father
The fast food workers / network sleeper agents were all actually former soldiers/had some kind of combat experience. The one who works in the fishery place complains that he earned a medal, but he's stuck working a shitty undercover job
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i completely forgot about that. i should rewatch
>an obsessive loner
What? Not exactly a rich manipulative moron either way, and the network had numerous sleeper agents going about their ordinary lives until they get the signal to carry out their part >compromised by blackmail
I wasn't talking about Dugdale I meant that redhaired guy
>that redhaired guy
was a psychopathic politician, see
[...]
The health minister seemed to just be an egotistical greedy bastard. Milner even tells him that he didn't get his job out of talent, his career is successful because he does what the Network tells him to do. He loves that the people see him as a hero, and at the end of the series in a harebrained plan he attempts to steal millions of pounds as he makes his escape to Brazil, abandoning his family in the process. During this he also leaves the burden on dugdale to expose the network.
They were not just "rich manipulative morons" or psychopaths, they were true believers in the cause, when you are a true believer you can justify anything if it's for "the greater good" the majority of the network members are willing to die for their cause, or even kill their own loved ones, the problem is most people can't conceptualize what it's like to be a true believer, it's like suicide bombers, they don't blow themselves up just because they're nuts or psychos, they do it because they truly believe they are fighting for God's will, just like the network truly believe they are saving humanity therefore they can rationalise any atrocity, Wilson is no different, by the end he has become a true believer, why else would he be willing to work/run the organisation that killed his own father, because he believes they are justified in what they do and if the show continued he would have justified every atrocity he commits for the cause too, he's no more moral than Milner was because being a true believer means his morality boils down to "it's for the greater good, it's to save humanity" so anything can be justified
>hey do it because they truly believe they are fighting for God's will
because they're nuts and psychos, and so are you for trying to rationalize it as chu habeeber nonsense
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In order to fix a problem you have to understand it.
Nuts and psycho are broad terms
yes, they are delusional. psycopath I don't think so because they do what they do based off (misguided) feelings. Maybe it's bad brain wiring or bad education or both.
Explaining something isn't excusing it.
Sorry to go off on you I just see this happening way too often. People don't really want to understand anything they just want their feelings about whatever it is to be heard.
>Milner >"it's for the greater good, it's to save humanity"
she went against that in the end and was ok with saving just a portion of it
they weren't true believers, they can't even truly see anything from their ivory towers
Wilson is fluid and i'd really like to see where his arc leads
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>she went against that in the end and was ok with saving just a portion of it
The frick are you talking about? Mass depopulation was always the plan and Wilson ended up siding with them, they were always only gonna save a small portion of the population
>hey do it because they truly believe they are fighting for God's will
because they're nuts and psychos, and so are you for trying to rationalize it as chu habeeber nonsense
You're just proving my point, you can't understand how true believers think so you chalk it up to "they're psychos"
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*Only a small portion
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>a small portion of the population
of a specific heritage
I don't know why people would bother watching it if you've seen his video about it but not the show, it wasn't a "review" like he claimed, it was a summary that spoiled every single plot point and twist and was only about half the runtime of just watching the show.
Favourite scenes? >arby and jessica having a full english breakfast >lee trying to convince the guy in the office he's a policeman before giving up and just killing him >arby crashing his car >any scene where wilson says something based "caffeine was invented by the cia" >dugdale going to the island
I really like the scene where Dugdale comes home from stealing the evidence from the island and finds his boss having tea with his wife and he's all charming and laughing and she leaves the room and he says:
>She’s great. Just great. It’d be such a shame to see her raped. Hand it over. Or Jen will be raped. Brutally, Michael, later this week.
Honestly the show was absolutely brutal in more ways than one but it never felt edgy for the sake of edge (apart from when Arby opens up the throat of some detective and holds his head back), unlike say Game of Thrones
>"Remember SNEED? i worked for the moderators who discovered it, one of their top admins, six figure salaries, private board. You ever been on a private board?" >shakes head >"Its nice. I was in a comfy simpsons thread when SNEED hit, paid jannys had it locked down but I thought 'frick that, I'm special' so I went in, had a look, found out their salaries didn't exist." >"...Their salaries didn't exist?" >"Nope, whole thing was just a bunch of unconnected, unpaid trannies deleting comfy threads with no cause or link, so, I filed my report, and within a week I was discredited, Cinemaphile pass revoked, fired." >"hang on, I've never heard of these trannies" >"Of course not, but you have heard of their parent company: Discord"
>you get my sneed thread pruned. you want your wife to know? You want your ministers to know? >n-no, just- look, I'm no one, I'm just a janitor- >SENIOR Cinemaphile janny. discord friend of hiroshimoot. important. >look, im no one, okay? just >shut your fricking shit mouth. you do mission for my friends, yes? or i frick your life
>you should post 'Sneed' on Cinemaphile >you could call it your mission
I can see why people dislike it as it does a few things differently. I personally had some nitpicks here and there but still thoroughly enjoyed season 2. I think some hate for it is either hyperbole and some people just parroting an opinion, as for the others who say it's trash... that's an absurdly high bar to set, 90% of TV must be trash by that standard (which to be fair: it is)
I don't think I've ever seen a thread on Cinemaphile where the kino consensus is this clear. 99% of this thread is saying S1 is S+++ tier kino.
Dare I say, is Utopia the MOST kino Cinemaphile show ever made?
> worst cancellation decision ever
Utopia is good but that honour goes to Ultraviolet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_(TV_serial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkBJ9dcRao
It's kino but goes nowhere, sadly.
fpbp.
It's good, and then nothing really happens, and then it's over.
GREAT soundtrack tho.
It is incredibly kino but got cancelled before the story could be finished, watch it though
>see comments mentioning it being canceled
>check wiki, see pic rel
uhhh... bros? how was this even allowed to be made to begin with?
Made in 2014 homie
Actually at the time it was extremely controversial, but not for the virus, rather it was because Arby shoots a load of kids in a school so they can get the media to say Grant shot up the school
I rewatched this on Amazon with someone and completely missed this scene. Was it removed? I was so confused when I watched it again. The kid is suddenly on the run but it doesnt explain why. I remembered the shooting though
this?
Yeah that's another of the censored scenes
Brits will be able to correct me, but if I recall the channel that made it in the UK had ratings in the dumpster and was known for making more transgressive content if I recall correctly.
Combine that with the fact that a plot like this had been a popular trope of conspiracy thrillers for decades, but that at the same time what happened in 2020 was pretty unimaginable at the time, and boom there you go.
Prepare to see this happen often in your lifetime where people will ask you "damn, how was this even made" and your answer will be "it was a different time".
Iirc Channel 4 basically put out a call for small-production shows to be made to try them out and see what worked. Misfits was one of these (the only successful one iirc), Utopia was another
They had no shortage of good shit though, Skins and the Inbetweeners were from C4. When they do drama/comedy there's no one better imo
a third series had been given the greenlight so i assume it had decent viewings but the guy in charge of channel 4, or at least in charge of whatever department greenlit it, stepped down. the new guy axed everything that came before he arrived because he didnt want anything still successful to be attributed to his predecessor. thats what i've read, at least.
Yeah that's pretty much what happened except it got renewed for a third and forth season at the same time, he put out a really smug obnoxious press release about it too which just pissed people off even more
If you are watching on Amazon it's censored.
what's censored? gore?
I don't know but I'm going to guess blood. There was actually a fair bit of it.
A child death in the intro scene, a gory murder or two, some dialogue and some shots of the environment.
Sadly true, it's incredible but ends on a really unresolved note. It's not a crazy cliffhanger, but you still needed a 3rd season to address a few things.
Also yes, the 1st episode of season 2 is fricking incredible
doesnt gipsy danger release the virus and kill the world?
First season is kino with some mid scenes
Second season is mid with some kino scenes
>mfw i realise grant and alice are literally zoomers
Season 3 starring them as the new arby/jessica pair when
>yfw when you realise you’re a moron that doesn’t understand what the words literally or zoomer means
Kek
I was having a laugh too until I realised he's right, they're literally zoomers. Grant is the oldest and he's born in 98. There isn't really an agreed date for when gen Z starts, but most places will say 98 falls in that
The show is set around 2013, and grant is 11, i think. Hence he was born around 2002
You need to see a doctor, urgently. You likely have an extra chromosome.
Yes, most places are moronic. The minimum time frame for a generation in 2 decades. Yet that gets ignored for millennials and zoomers so social scientists have something to talk about
no, the 2nd season is a bit shit. the 1st season is close to perfect, though.
He's LITERALLY me
Post your favourite soundtracks
Reminder that not only does this show have kino cinematography, but also plenty of symbolism. Pic related, Christian imagery
In the scene where the kidnapped deep state guy explains their plan, the freemason symbol is in the top corner of the room. In the Utopia manuscript in the show, it's full of secret messages and symbols. I think the actual TV show itself does a similar thing in a meta way.
she's a villain though
i disagree, the second season requires much more knowledge to get all the references and some hints are very very subtle. the style is different from s1 but the plot is on par or even better
Found it
this was unironically so kino, i miss utopia so much
Season 1 was great but season 2 went a bit off the rails. I might revisit it though tbh probably very relevent given the world we live in today tbh.
Loved the first season, stopped watching in the middle of season 2. Shame.
Since it will never continued, it's probably better to stop after S1.
It has a satisfying ending, while S2 has cliffhanger.
Actually, stop after S2E1, that's a really good flashback episode before the season starts proper.
Yeah, pretty much this. Although Wilson's arc in season 2 is one of the best character arcs I've seen on any TV show, if you like the show its worth watching for that alone.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the first episode of season 2. That’s well worth watching.
I remember the music in this show being absolutely top tier.
The second season is worse than the first
S2 is worth watching for the deep state subplots, "protagonist" scenes are nearly all completely shit though
That opening scene was kino though
Kinda surprised Neil Maskell hasn't had a bigger career. He has been great in anything i've ever seen him in. Bit like jared harris.
the cinematography is amazing. the same cinematographer worked on Tales from the Loop, which also looks amazing but is unfortunately shit.
>monkeyvirus vaccine is named "JYNNEOS"
Unironically what the frick did they mean by this
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/clinicians/smallpox-vaccine.html
>JYNNEOS’s name was derived from Edward Jenner, the developer of the original smallpox vaccination process, known as scarification, and NEOS meaning new in Latin
I was thinking about this show when the covid vaccine was being rolled out. The Ukraine flag in that first still is interesting.
>The Ukraine flag in that first still is interesting
Because the Ukrainian flag is meant to be a field of wheat against a blue sky. Makes sense in a show about food shortages.
Ukraine also produces a third of the world's wheat, and provides something like 70% of the food for the UNs food aid programmes. The supply of which is going to run out within the next 10 months.
>WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR FOOD COMES FROM, IAN
How's it possible that the poorest country in Europe was feeding the Black folks? Frick Russia, frick the US, how did the Ukrainians let themselves be cucked to that corner? Breadbaskets used to make the rules. Why didn't they threaten to cut the supplies for better leverage to have investments made in their country?
>70% of the food for the UNs food AID programmes
Having food for AID gives you no leverage. It's cheap wheat made for cheap bread.
>t.
>Why didn't they threaten to cut the supplies for better leverage to have investments made in their country?
You do realise what happened immediately before the creation of Ukraine right? A century of Russian mismanagement that completely collapsed and resulted in multiple wars? Ukraine was in no position to bargain with anyone, especially not the international organisations who were giving them aid in the first place.
That's bullshit. Yugoslavia also collapsed, it also was highly mismanaged. Yet Croatia leveraged itself into a regional power broker while Serbia leveraged itself into irrelevant landlocked shithole. The "muh Russia's fault" is cope.
>Croatia leveraged itself into a regional power broker
hahahaha, Viennese stable boy cope
>How's it possible that the poorest country in Europe was feeding the Black folks?
Ukraine basically is just a gigantic farm. Has some of the best soil on the planet. But it doesn't have much else.
Yeah yeah, whatever klaus.
...is utopia actually meta? It does seem like it intentionally has hidden messages in it, like the comic
I distinctly remember the corvadt ornate office having some blatant masonic symbols on the walls.
Plus it has predicted quite a lot of stuff: https://ijr.com/watch-biden-interrupted-answering-questions-led-away/
I don't think its predictive. People like David Icke, described this exact scenario in the 90s, i.e. a global pandemic to enforce a police state. Not hard to imagine the writers just running with that concept
Utopia is scarily accurate
Doubt they were intentional. More likely the writer’s ideas were transmitted to him from the future.
serious question, why dont they make cinematography like this anymore? almost everything is so dark and gray and boring now
Because Marvel fans and other low IQ morons don't care about it or even notice it and they're the most likely group of people to finance the pedo cult.
That shit was the norm even when Utopia came out.
Anon, most series looked like shit back then too. Utopia stood out due to its cinematography but especially its palette / colour grading. It's not just a gorgeous colourful series for the 2010s, it's a gorgeous colourful series when compared to TV of any decade.
Even in the realm of series there is still some great cinematography and colour use. Too Old To Die Young came out in 2019. Say what you will about its length or pace or dialogue or whatever but it looks great.
But also like
says, most people don't give a shit. Series are rarely made to be high-art, most of them are made to last hopefully 10 seasons so they can go in syndication and make huge money.
Don't forget the extensive use of wide shots, particularly of scenery with no people around, Iv never seen a show capture the feeling of agoraphobia before, fricking brilliant
>mfw people still think Mr Robot pioneered that and Utopia's offset portraits on television
Honestly these threads just make me sad over what could have been. This has to be one of the most heartbreaking cancellations in TV history
It was filmed in technicolour, wouldn't even occur to most show runners to try something like that
First season is pure, undiluted kino
Second season is okay
Amerishart version is a crime
I liked the art for the comic in the American version. I don't know if they ever released it in a book form, but I wish they did, I would have liked to actually look at it.
The comic in the American version didn't fit the narrative though, the whole idea behind it is that it's the ravings of an institutionalised madman, but the American one just looks like a standard comic book. Pic related: original vs remake
S tier characters: Dugdale, Pietre/Arby, Wilson
A tier: Milner, Jessica Hyde, Deep State bogdanoff guys in the office
B tier: Alice and Grant, Lee, Health minister
Shit tier: Ian, Becky
I appreciated Dugdale so much more on the rewatch
He's such a giant piece of shit he makes the perfect wild card character
While I respect that list (especially bogdanoff guys and health minister placement, all three of them being based), I'd probably put Ian and Becky on B tier and bump Jessica down a peg as well.
Ian's got a pretty good character progression over the series, Becky's flawed in an interesting way, feels the most flawed and human in the original group and also has a cute accent and face.
Jessica doesn't have as strong a range of emotions or arc imo, even though she is a much more interesting character when it comes to how she behaves esp with Ian.
But again though, Dugdale Arby & Wilson? Absolutely based trio
Jessica was great in S1 as the insider who knows whats going on
Problem was in S2 everyone knew their shit so she was just another character and they really didn't know what to do with her
Afaik in the Ameriblob version they made her
>le badass wasteland warrior woman
Whereas in the original she has that element but is more complicated.
E.g. when she's grooming Grant in a weird predatory way (dressing him up in humiliating clothes, getting him drunk and threatening him out of nowhere) but then when he cries for his mum she puts him to bed and cuddles him - some of her maternal instincts are still firing but she doesn't quite know how to use them and it ends up weird
>tfw no fricked up Jessica Hyde gf to indoctrinate you and play with your emotions
>Lee
>B
kys, also what happened to Dugdale in the end of S2?
If I remember: adopts the two kids, thinks everything's all fine and dandy, get told by Wilson "actually keep doing what you do, we're gonna roll out the sterilizing vaccine anyways, I'll kill your whole family if you don't comply". Time is a flat circle in true kino fashion.
Yeah the interactions between her and Grant are great. Something I will see a lot in books and manga, but really not often on the TV or big screen, which is understandable given how fricked it is.
The amerishart version is truly puzzling. UK Jessica Hyde looked uncanny, US Jessica Hyde looks like Dr Dre fricked Snoop Dogg and they had a daughter. I have no fricking clue what they were thinking
I've noticed there's a preference on Americlap telly recently for people with extremely distinct faces
Severance seemed to specialise in this for reason
Lee is SSS tier
That bit where Lee is sloooowly preparing to Wilson with the tire iron was peak Lee, absolutely amazing scene
check this out fren
>Mr. Badsir
checked
Each day I think of how season 3 could possibly happen but it probably won't and it hurts more and more
It would be seen as Q propaganda now
I'm stunned the american version even happened - I'm guessing Amazon just wanted to shit out something covid-related as fast as possible
Nah it got filmed before covid and they cancelled doing any more seasons after the covid outbreak
I like how the show moves from Network vs Characters to basically everyone working for and against both the Network and each other at the end
>you should post 'Sneed' on Cinemaphile
>you could call it your mission
>you get my sneed thread pruned. you want your wife to know? You want your ministers to know?
>n-no, just- look, I'm no one, I'm just a janitor-
>SENIOR Cinemaphile janny. discord friend of hiroshimoot. important.
>look, im no one, okay? just
>shut your fricking shit mouth. you do mission for my friends, yes? or i frick your life
where's jessica hyde?
Unironically getting blacked in S2
mutt law
It's actually true, though
t.mutt
Its not mutts law if its actually true tho
>he didn't watch season 2
he's right. it was trash.
Dave Chappelle starred in Halo? Hey that's pretty cool
spook predictive programming, quite interesting.
probably the guys who made it are lurkers, because it had arg/Cinemaphile elements to it.
overrated trash here on Cinemaphile
stop after season 1, season 2 is really shit
Stop after s1
Last watched this about 8 years ago and it still sticks with me. One of the most kino shows to exist, it's criminal that they cancelled it.
How would you write a season 3/special finale?
Utopia was never meant to end on a positive note I don't think. As much as it pains me to say, season 2 finale could be a good overall ending for series, if not for Arby waking up and seeming like he was about to murder everyone.
idk how I'd write it but those things would happen:
>Ian dies
>Jessica Hyde dies
>Becky gets out, possibly has a child now that the fear of her disease isn't hanging over her. Possibly broken by Ian's death
>Arby goes ham, don't know if he gets a happy ending but at least he doesn't die. His life is now his to live, and he will try to become human (same as S2's start, I know I know).
>Dougdale loses the son (I forget his name) possibly his wife. Loses his job but he's free.
>Wilson fails. Is forced to live with the weight of his actions.
>His group fails.
From there idk which is better: implying the world will descend into chaos and that Wilson's group had the right idea despite their horrendous methods, or give hope for the world, redeeming humans as flawed but enduring in the face of a changing world.
I think jessica hyde or arby killing wilson would be a nice endpoint for their characters, getting some kind of revenge on the organisation that created them.
I also think I heard somewhere that it was intended for Wilson to turn out to be far, far worse than milner ever was.
I think the story would've been far more captivating if wilson turned out to be a much better mr. rabbit though, as he was genuinely motivated by morality, intending to spare as many lives as possible and ensure the plan went as smoothly as it could, given the circumstances.
All of the network were motivated by morality, they truly believed what they were doing would save the world, that it was morally the right thing to do
Yes, but at the end of S2, Milner decides to recklessly go ahead with releasing the virus despite knowing that their vaccine doesn't work and it will kill tens of millions. Wilson then takes her place, and makes it clear that he's still going to go ahead with the plan, but with a slightly different plan involving releasing the virus somewhere remote where it can be controlled, instead of straight into major population centres. as he puts it, "you don't need a pandemic, you just need the fear of a pandemic." their overall endgoal is to make people take the vaccine, milner is willing to kill millions, while Wilson believes causing death on that scale is unnecessary
my thoughts exactly, Wilson breaks up the Network from the inside
it's not the same though. Wilson was an ordinary moral person while the network were a bunch of rich manipulative morons who defined morality on their terms
>were a bunch of rich manipulative morons
I don't know what gives you that idea, members of the network came from all walks of life, from powerful politicians to fast food workers, from geniuses like Philip Carvel to morons like the health minister guy to weird autists like Arby
>fast food workers
an obsessive loner
>Philip Carvel
manipulative frustrated guy who experimented on his child even before becoming a member
>health minister guy
compromised by blackmail
>Arby
MKUltra victim, first tortured by his father
>an obsessive loner
What? Not exactly a rich manipulative moron either way, and the network had numerous sleeper agents going about their ordinary lives until they get the signal to carry out their part
>compromised by blackmail
I wasn't talking about Dugdale I meant that redhaired guy
The health minister seemed to just be an egotistical greedy bastard. Milner even tells him that he didn't get his job out of talent, his career is successful because he does what the Network tells him to do. He loves that the people see him as a hero, and at the end of the series in a harebrained plan he attempts to steal millions of pounds as he makes his escape to Brazil, abandoning his family in the process. During this he also leaves the burden on dugdale to expose the network.
The fast food workers / network sleeper agents were all actually former soldiers/had some kind of combat experience. The one who works in the fishery place complains that he earned a medal, but he's stuck working a shitty undercover job
i completely forgot about that. i should rewatch
>that redhaired guy
was a psychopathic politician, see
>the health minister guy
They were not just "rich manipulative morons" or psychopaths, they were true believers in the cause, when you are a true believer you can justify anything if it's for "the greater good" the majority of the network members are willing to die for their cause, or even kill their own loved ones, the problem is most people can't conceptualize what it's like to be a true believer, it's like suicide bombers, they don't blow themselves up just because they're nuts or psychos, they do it because they truly believe they are fighting for God's will, just like the network truly believe they are saving humanity therefore they can rationalise any atrocity, Wilson is no different, by the end he has become a true believer, why else would he be willing to work/run the organisation that killed his own father, because he believes they are justified in what they do and if the show continued he would have justified every atrocity he commits for the cause too, he's no more moral than Milner was because being a true believer means his morality boils down to "it's for the greater good, it's to save humanity" so anything can be justified
>hey do it because they truly believe they are fighting for God's will
because they're nuts and psychos, and so are you for trying to rationalize it as chu habeeber nonsense
In order to fix a problem you have to understand it.
Nuts and psycho are broad terms
yes, they are delusional. psycopath I don't think so because they do what they do based off (misguided) feelings. Maybe it's bad brain wiring or bad education or both.
Explaining something isn't excusing it.
Sorry to go off on you I just see this happening way too often. People don't really want to understand anything they just want their feelings about whatever it is to be heard.
>Milner
>"it's for the greater good, it's to save humanity"
she went against that in the end and was ok with saving just a portion of it
they weren't true believers, they can't even truly see anything from their ivory towers
Wilson is fluid and i'd really like to see where his arc leads
>she went against that in the end and was ok with saving just a portion of it
The frick are you talking about? Mass depopulation was always the plan and Wilson ended up siding with them, they were always only gonna save a small portion of the population
You're just proving my point, you can't understand how true believers think so you chalk it up to "they're psychos"
*Only a small portion
>a small portion of the population
of a specific heritage
>Ratings so bad Channel 4 wouldn't let them even have a one-off special to conclude the story.
Frick them, this series deserved to be huge.
pyrocynical says it's kino so i'll give it a try
I don't know why people would bother watching it if you've seen his video about it but not the show, it wasn't a "review" like he claimed, it was a summary that spoiled every single plot point and twist and was only about half the runtime of just watching the show.
This, the video is what made me discover the show but I turned that shit off right after the first episode thankfully
some of the missing pages from the manuscript are scattered through season 2
No, it’s shit
Season 2 is shit.
Also Jessica Hyde turns out to be some quirky reddit autist, I'm guessing to bandwagon on Sherlock popularity
Yeah, season 2 has major tumblr vibes, and plenty of cringe
Arbros... is it time to watch our boy in Kill List?
he's good but the movie's not
wrong, it's a british true detective style kino
Loved series 1, mostly because Jessica Hyde looked like a crazy girl I used to ride, also because it was good.
Bong television is certifiably garbage, they're a miserable race of inbred goblins
Enjoy the US edition, then
>Cinemaphile - Television & Film
Most yank TV is all 'but what about my feelings?' and inane 'let's be respectful' bullshit.
>The Network is supposed to be this illuminati-style organization with a global reach
>in season 2 they reveal its actually like 10 people in britain
>utopia US: is bad (doesnt explain why)
>utopai UK: is good (doesnt explain why)
Shit meme, it needs a version not made by a redditor
it literally explains you why lmao. can you read?
Favourite scenes?
>arby and jessica having a full english breakfast
>lee trying to convince the guy in the office he's a policeman before giving up and just killing him
>arby crashing his car
>any scene where wilson says something based "caffeine was invented by the cia"
>dugdale going to the island
I really like the scene where Dugdale comes home from stealing the evidence from the island and finds his boss having tea with his wife and he's all charming and laughing and she leaves the room and he says:
>She’s great. Just great. It’d be such a shame to see her raped. Hand it over. Or Jen will be raped. Brutally, Michael, later this week.
It was really chilling.
Honestly the show was absolutely brutal in more ways than one but it never felt edgy for the sake of edge (apart from when Arby opens up the throat of some detective and holds his head back), unlike say Game of Thrones
>"Remember SNEED? i worked for the moderators who discovered it, one of their top admins, six figure salaries, private board. You ever been on a private board?"
>shakes head
>"Its nice. I was in a comfy simpsons thread when SNEED hit, paid jannys had it locked down but I thought 'frick that, I'm special' so I went in, had a look, found out their salaries didn't exist."
>"...Their salaries didn't exist?"
>"Nope, whole thing was just a bunch of unconnected, unpaid trannies deleting comfy threads with no cause or link, so, I filed my report, and within a week I was discredited, Cinemaphile pass revoked, fired."
>"hang on, I've never heard of these trannies"
>"Of course not, but you have heard of their parent company: Discord"
Most based Cinemaphile poster in history
theres a part around 0:57 where he lists off a bunch of statistics which would be an absolute goldmine for jannyposting, im too busy rn for it
saved
for me it's Alice's actress becoming fit
One of the most kino shows ever. Perfect from start to finish. S02ep1 is peak tv
Where's Jessica Hoid
Test.
Get the dvds. Amazon censored scenes
No.
>when you're watching the first scene in the comic shop and the music kicks in and you realize you're watching kino
eggs beans chips sausage bacon two toasts and a cup of tea
there was nothing wrong with series 2
i don’t get all the hate
I unironically believe it's a mind virus meme that started from some autist on this board repeating it until it stuck
I can see why people dislike it as it does a few things differently. I personally had some nitpicks here and there but still thoroughly enjoyed season 2. I think some hate for it is either hyperbole and some people just parroting an opinion, as for the others who say it's trash... that's an absurdly high bar to set, 90% of TV must be trash by that standard (which to be fair: it is)
Not as tight as the first but for people to say skip it? Beyond moronic
>just finished up the pyrocynical video on this
>out of nowhere this thread pops up
Who are you people?
Oh you know very well who we are anon
https://gematriaeffect.news/amazons-utopia-released-33-days-before-bill-gates-65th-birthday-september-25-2020-and-74-days-before-vaccinations-for-covid-began/
https://gematriaeffect.news/utopias-janus-bill-gates-good-club-the-plan-to-depopulate-by-stopping-human-fertility-in-plain-sight/
https://gematriaeffect.news/pfizer-begins-covid-19-vaccine-trials-on-twin-9-year-olds-march-24-2021-utopia-tribute/
https://gematriaeffect.news/children-of-men-a-great-film-to-watch-in-the-time-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-that-ties-in-with-other-theater-including-utopia-between/
its weird to say but man with all the conspiracy theories becoming popular about covid-19 this show feels pretty different lol.
I prefer the first season to the seconds, but it's kino.
I don't think I've ever seen a thread on Cinemaphile where the kino consensus is this clear. 99% of this thread is saying S1 is S+++ tier kino.
Dare I say, is Utopia the MOST kino Cinemaphile show ever made?
> worst cancellation decision ever
Utopia is good but that honour goes to Ultraviolet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_(TV_serial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkBJ9dcRao
Cheers anon, I'll have a look
Amazon Remake>Original