I still can't get over this
Movie has a whole story going and then for the third act instead of doing anything with that story they do a side quest where the twink gets in a fist fight with some random guy
what an ending
it was literally pointless
you can stop watching the movie after he says hi to the worm and the worm leaves
makes zero difference other than you saved 45 minutes you can use to jack off
it was literally pointless
you can stop watching the movie after he says hi to the worm and the worm leaves
makes zero difference other than you saved 45 minutes you can use to jack off
I thought it was important because it shows that his dreams are not decisive. He had dreams of befriending this dude but ends up killing him, so it shows that his prophetic dreams are only possibilities but don't guarantee that they will happen, which I thought was a good ending cause it basically means his actions moving forward have powerful consequences and what we saw in his dreams is not guaranteed safety
>has visions of Jamis telling Paul he will show him the ways of the Fremen >Paul has to kill Jamis in a duel to start his path as a Fremen
KINO. Also Jamis was just a trad Fremen who was getting real tired of Stilgar's woke BS
it shows that the path he takes can be changed but the destination is almost guaranteed. Jamis did in fact show him the ways of the desert, it's just that in the reality Paul experiences it in was the more violent method. It's also why when the Reverend Mother asks him if his visions play out the way he sees them he responds with "not exactly".
my meaning was that villeneuve is too moronic to add any complexity or sophistication to his narratives whatsoever, so any that was there would have to be found in the book, where there isn't any in this case.
in the book he learns that by killing someone you pay a price. you're supposed to understand this because you, a member of the audience, think that killing is wrong. in the movie, it assumes you're too moronic to understand that killing is wrong, so you need them to form this mystical time-linked bond with each other where in some realities they were true friends and THAT is why he's hurt by killing him. the movie is unironically dehumanizing, teaching you that you're only supposed to care about people you personally know. strange to take such a simple message of shared humanity and turn it into something so evil, but that's villeneuve for you. he is extremely stupid.
There's more to making a good adaptation than just being true to the text. You also need to find new ways to convey information from the book - new ways that suit the medium. get filtered you dumb stubborn Black person
Anon, it's Dune. There have been hundreds if not thousands of 50k+ word essays written on it. Your distaste for such analysis is why Cinemaphile will always be more big brained of a medium than Cinemaphile.
it's because that analysis is always shit. you read something like les miserables, i.e., a good book, and you know exactly what the author means to convey with every sentence. you read dune and he's just faffing about, the sequels literally devolve into porn. there's no deep literary meaning, he was just making it up as he went along, to tell what he thought was a cool story with some cool characters.
Paul's gift of prophecy is a flow of causality meaning he sees a giant spectrum of potential futures and the killing of Jamis narrowed that flow sharply towards the Jihad. It wasn't just about killing his friend.
I agree. Movie should have ended with Paul and his mom surviving the storm but being stranded in the desert. Hope but with an uncertain and perilous future = good cliffhanger.
Movie 2 should have opened with Paul and Jessica being found by the Fremen and Paul dueling someone to the death. That's actually a cool opener for a movie. Sets Paul up as the action hero.
>has visions of Jamis telling Paul he will show him the ways of the Fremen >Paul has to kill Jamis in a duel to start his path as a Fremen
KINO. Also Jamis was just a trad Fremen who was getting real tired of Stilgar's woke BS
>through your prescience live out realities where you've grown to become friends with this man with him as your mentor >only known to you >then being forced to kill this man
kino, but it should have been leaned into/expanded even more
>below the mean intelligence quotient in this country by about forty, fitty points, I am fittin' na choke dis white b***h and stab her to death because I cannot control my impulses
Hot take: The fremen are herbert's edgy OC mary-sues and their over-poweredness ruins any suspense of the plot
>dude what if the desert tribal people are actually BADASS warriors and 1 fremen can oneshot 100 Sardaukar at once and they can magically be anywhere anyplace at once and AND AND they also have the best technology that even the empire doesnt have like their suits AND AND they actually secretly have trillions of gallons of water stashed around for...some reason...AND AND also get this..they can RIDE the freakin worms dude with a literal whip
The fremen are who they are because they were hardened over many migrations through harsh planets, in that sense they mirror the sardaukar, who were also basically designed for harsh environment combat, but limited because they were wielded as an instrument of the Emperor.
Either way the fremen are additionally designed precisely for the role they take because of Bene Gesserit influence, which was hard-coded into their religion on purpose.
Essentially the scene was set for Paul to lead them and fremen are who they are because they were designed to fulfill that role.
The strategic/tactical edge is mostly due to logistics. Dune is their home turf, the spicing guild sides with Paul and essentially locks out other factions or reinforcements from interfering and things play out the way they do because it's both a fortunate turn of events, but also because of many plans spanning millennia coming to fruition.
A lot of the later books deal with the rejection of this plan and altering it.
He wanted his wife to get a taste of that kwisatz haderbull BWC, but as cuckoldry his taboo in fremen society, he knew the only way he get cucked is by challenging and then being killed by the kwisats BVLL
I still can't get over this
Movie has a whole story going and then for the third act instead of doing anything with that story they do a side quest where the twink gets in a fist fight with some random guy
what an ending
best part of the movie thoughbeit
it was literally pointless
you can stop watching the movie after he says hi to the worm and the worm leaves
makes zero difference other than you saved 45 minutes you can use to jack off
this is the stuff that lynch wisely cut out
No. The Lynch movie falls apart right as Paul meets the Fremen.
I thought it was important because it shows that his dreams are not decisive. He had dreams of befriending this dude but ends up killing him, so it shows that his prophetic dreams are only possibilities but don't guarantee that they will happen, which I thought was a good ending cause it basically means his actions moving forward have powerful consequences and what we saw in his dreams is not guaranteed safety
Interesting. I was confused about that.
in the dreams he is saying he will teach him their ways or something, which he did, just in an unexpected way
but yes this was okay
Piggy back off of
it shows that the path he takes can be changed but the destination is almost guaranteed. Jamis did in fact show him the ways of the desert, it's just that in the reality Paul experiences it in was the more violent method. It's also why when the Reverend Mother asks him if his visions play out the way he sees them he responds with "not exactly".
big moron shit. in the book he just kills him, and his only thoughts are that the guy was a bitter butthole. jamis doesn't teach him anything.
>this dumb ass thinks we're discussing the books
my meaning was that villeneuve is too moronic to add any complexity or sophistication to his narratives whatsoever, so any that was there would have to be found in the book, where there isn't any in this case.
Unironically why the movie is better than the book
in the book he learns that by killing someone you pay a price. you're supposed to understand this because you, a member of the audience, think that killing is wrong. in the movie, it assumes you're too moronic to understand that killing is wrong, so you need them to form this mystical time-linked bond with each other where in some realities they were true friends and THAT is why he's hurt by killing him. the movie is unironically dehumanizing, teaching you that you're only supposed to care about people you personally know. strange to take such a simple message of shared humanity and turn it into something so evil, but that's villeneuve for you. he is extremely stupid.
There's more to making a good adaptation than just being true to the text. You also need to find new ways to convey information from the book - new ways that suit the medium. get filtered you dumb stubborn Black person
please give us your 10k word autistic essay on this movie while youre at it
Anon, it's Dune. There have been hundreds if not thousands of 50k+ word essays written on it. Your distaste for such analysis is why Cinemaphile will always be more big brained of a medium than Cinemaphile.
it's because that analysis is always shit. you read something like les miserables, i.e., a good book, and you know exactly what the author means to convey with every sentence. you read dune and he's just faffing about, the sequels literally devolve into porn. there's no deep literary meaning, he was just making it up as he went along, to tell what he thought was a cool story with some cool characters.
>I didn't get it
yeah we know
cool meme, nice substitute for thoughts
You’re a stupid b***h.
Unironically filtered
Paul's gift of prophecy is a flow of causality meaning he sees a giant spectrum of potential futures and the killing of Jamis narrowed that flow sharply towards the Jihad. It wasn't just about killing his friend.
I agree. Movie should have ended with Paul and his mom surviving the storm but being stranded in the desert. Hope but with an uncertain and perilous future = good cliffhanger.
Movie 2 should have opened with Paul and Jessica being found by the Fremen and Paul dueling someone to the death. That's actually a cool opener for a movie. Sets Paul up as the action hero.
>has visions of Jamis telling Paul he will show him the ways of the Fremen
>Paul has to kill Jamis in a duel to start his path as a Fremen
KINO. Also Jamis was just a trad Fremen who was getting real tired of Stilgar's woke BS
I'm sorry I still can't get over how shit those stillsuits are
LOOK OUT DR. BABS!
M'BENGA NO!
Paul dies with Jamis. Muad'Dib is born when he kills someone for the first time. It's a symbolic sacrifice and really well done.
>through your prescience live out realities where you've grown to become friends with this man with him as your mentor
>only known to you
>then being forced to kill this man
kino, but it should have been leaned into/expanded even more
he has bad impulse control
He taught Paul the truth of the desert and gave him a second wife to bed and do his laundry.
>wtf was his problem
Serving in starfleet with nuChapel gave him blue balls
> 13% of the fremen account for 60% of tahaddi challengers...
He chimped out
stupid tradition
spice drug made them moronic
>below the mean intelligence quotient in this country by about forty, fitty points, I am fittin' na choke dis white b***h and stab her to death because I cannot control my impulses
Hot take: The fremen are herbert's edgy OC mary-sues and their over-poweredness ruins any suspense of the plot
>dude what if the desert tribal people are actually BADASS warriors and 1 fremen can oneshot 100 Sardaukar at once and they can magically be anywhere anyplace at once and AND AND they also have the best technology that even the empire doesnt have like their suits AND AND they actually secretly have trillions of gallons of water stashed around for...some reason...AND AND also get this..they can RIDE the freakin worms dude with a literal whip
It all follows internal logic perfectly.
The fremen are who they are because they were hardened over many migrations through harsh planets, in that sense they mirror the sardaukar, who were also basically designed for harsh environment combat, but limited because they were wielded as an instrument of the Emperor.
Either way the fremen are additionally designed precisely for the role they take because of Bene Gesserit influence, which was hard-coded into their religion on purpose.
Essentially the scene was set for Paul to lead them and fremen are who they are because they were designed to fulfill that role.
The strategic/tactical edge is mostly due to logistics. Dune is their home turf, the spicing guild sides with Paul and essentially locks out other factions or reinforcements from interfering and things play out the way they do because it's both a fortunate turn of events, but also because of many plans spanning millennia coming to fruition.
A lot of the later books deal with the rejection of this plan and altering it.
is the spice supposed to be oil?
i see he is still writing his essay
He wanted his wife to get a taste of that kwisatz haderbull BWC, but as cuckoldry his taboo in fremen society, he knew the only way he get cucked is by challenging and then being killed by the kwisats BVLL
Ason's alive
i'm sick of my homies getting BUCKED by these little Hollywood twinks dawg shit needs to stahp
DESERT POWER
Best part is Paul gets to keep this nig's wife after his death.