>James Cameron was the first director approached for the project back when Carolco Pictures held the rights, but passed it off to his then-wife Kathryn Bigelow to focus on his Spider-Man movie. Both projects were cancelled when Carolco went bankrupt and Fox picked up the rights.
>Richard Donner, Tim Burton, Danny Boyle, David Fincher, Brett Ratner, Joel Schumacher, Robert Rodriguez, Paul W.S. Anderson, John McTiernan, Irvin Kershner and Stephen Hopkins were considered to direct before Bryan Singer was hired due to his strong handling of an ensemble cast in The Usual Suspects.
>Singer initially turned down the project because, and was only sold on it after producers compared the ideological conflict between Professor Xavier and Magneto to Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X.
>Singer didn’t want the cast to read the comics and forbid them on set, but producer Kevin Feige would often smuggle them in, and the cast passed them around behind Singer’s back.
>Several celebrities approached Fox wanting to play their favorite characters in the film: Michael Jackson wanted to play Professor Xavier (and even presented his video clip for “Ghosts” as proof he could play an old white man), Janet Jackson and Mariah Carey both wanted to play Storm, and Shaquille O’Neal wanted to play Bishop.
>Russell Crowe was the first choice for Wolverine, but turned it down because he didn’t want to be typecast as “wolf characters” following Gladiator (Maximus had a wolf motif in the original cut which wound up downplayed in the final version). Producers also said that he asked for too much money and refused to sport Wolverine’s classic hairstyle, demanding a buzzcut instead.
>Viggo Mortensen was approached for Wolverine, but his son convinced him to turn it down because the script was not faithful to the comics.
>Glenn Danzig was considered for Wolverine, but he refused to screen-test for the role rather than receive a direct offer.
>Keanu Reeves, Edward Norton, Kiefer Sutherland and Gary Sinise were also considered for Wolverine,
>Dougray Scott was originally cast as Wolverine, but was forced to drop out after getting injured on the set of Mission: Impossible 2. Production was already underway when it happened, and Fox had to rush to find a replacement.
>Hugh Jackman was asked to screen-test for Wolverine at Russell Crowe’s recommendation and won the role, but producers were still unsure about him early on due to him being a complete unknown at the time.
>Like Crowe, Jackman mistook Wolverine to be based on wolves and watched several nature documentaries in order to learn how to properly emulate wolf mannerisms, and almost got fired when he started acting like a wolf on set.
Amazingly lucky that this movie was as good as it was. What background stuff do you have on X2?
>Viggo Mortensen was approached for Wolverine, but his son convinced him to turn it down because the script was not faithful to the comics
Based Viggo
based Viggo's son, saving his old man from becoming forever associated with capeshit.
>Jackman mistook Wolverine to be based on wolves and watched several nature documentaries in order to learn how to properly emulate wolf mannerisms, and almost got fired when he started acting like a wolf on set.
Based moron.
As moronic as this seems, the first couple of movies jackman really did play up the animalistic attributes of the character way more than in later movies. He used his keen sense of smell more and whatnot.
>Like Crowe, Jackman mistook Wolverine to be based on wolves and watched several nature documentaries in order to learn how to properly emulate wolf mannerisms, and almost got fired when he started acting like a wolf on set.
Least unhinged furry.
>and almost got fired when he started acting like a wolf on set.
Kek but Huge Ackman does confess he enjoyed the role, it is actually awesome when actors love their roles or happen to be fans.
>almost got fired when he started acting like a wolf on set.
frickin kino
>Patrick Stewart was the first choice for Professor Xavier, but was reluctant because he didn’t want to spend the entire movie in a wheelchair. He only made up his mind when producers approached Terence Stamp for the role.
>Stamp, Christopher Lee and Jeremy Irons were considered for Magneto before Ian McKellen was cast, having previously worked with Singer in Apt Pupil.
>Vince Vaughn and Thomas Jane turned down Cyclops. Jim Caviezel was originally cast, but he had to drop out due to scheduling conflicts with Frequency. Eric Mabius and D.B. Sweeney were considered before James Marsden was cast.
>Charlize Theron and Julianne Moore turned down Jean Grey. Maria Bello, Peta Wilson and Lucy Lawless were considered before Famke Janssen was cast.
>Angela Basset turned down Storm. Jada Pinkett-Smith and Sanaa Lathan were considered before Halle Berry was cast.
>Natalie Portman, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Rachel Leigh Cook turned down Rogue. Christina Ricci and Katherine Isabelle were considered before Anna Paquin was cast.
>Jeri Ryan screen-tested for Mystique.
>Triple H screen-tested for Sabretooth.
>The first actor to sign on for the project was actually Bruce Davison, who played Senator Robert Kelly.
>>Jeri Ryan screen-tested for Mystique
Did she do it in the body paint? Is there footage?
H screen-tested for Sabretooth.
kek this is like one of those major timeline shifts. Like this movie was being shot before he got with Stephanie McMahon. He could have easily left wrestling to try out a Hollywood career and completely changed the landscape of wrestling as we know it today.
He was in Blade 3 later you idiot
>later
Yes after he married Steph. That's the point moron. Why is everyone on this site so fricking stupid?
For the best, all around. Not that Tyler Mane has a wonderful Hollywood career, but this past Wrestlemania they declared the dawn off "the era of "Paul Levesque", cause he's now the content chairman, and last Sunday's climax/fall of the bloodline was unfiltered kino.
>Angela Basset turned down Storm
Lmfao, I bet she regrets that now
You can't really predict this shit. Superhero movies back then were hit or miss, often miss even after this came out like Catwoman.
>Superhero movies back then were hit or miss
>superman cuatrilogy
>batman
The last two superman movies were trash and they typecasted Reeves. Same with the last two Batman movies. One of OPs posts was how the X-Men was trying it's hardest to avoid being like Batman. George Clooney famously said if you ask him for a refund for Batman and Robin in the streets he will give it to you. Why are you rewriting history?
>superman
all shit except the first movie
>batman
all shit except the first two movies and end in a massive flop
>cuatrilogy
Jfc
worst rogue casting
>Rachel Leigh Cook turned down Rogue
Ouch she must have felt that one in hindsight.
Yeah, she's talked about it. I don't think she anything about X-Men (or its popularity) and didn't want to act on a green screen.
>"As soon as I saw the posters for it, I knew that'd made a mistake," she told the publication, calling the move a "huge misstep."
>Over 30 different scripts were written for the movie. The final version was written by Ed Solomon and revised by Christopher McQuarrie, Joss Whedon, Tom DeSanto and David Hayter, who ended up receiving sole credit for the script.
>Most drafts featured the X-Men rescuing Wolverine and a young female mutant from Magneto and the Brotherhood of Mutants. Early version featured Kitty Pryde or Jubilee, before Singer decided to use Rogue because her powers were the best allegory for the alienation of being a mutant.
>Magneto was originally targeting Wolverine because Adamantium was necessary to complete his mutation machine, but this was later changed to Magneto targeting Rogue in order to sacrifice her to activate the machine to both increase Rogue’s plot importance and give Wolverine a stronger character arc.
>Early drafts featured Beast as a member of the X-Men, and Pyro and Blob as members of the Brotherhood, but they were all considered too expensive. Beast’s role as the team doctor was given to Jean Grey, and Pyro was given a small cameo as one of the X-students.
>Joss Whedon’s revisions were all discarded for being too quippy, with only two exchanges making it to the final movie (“It’s me”/”prove it”/”You’re a dick”/”Okay” and “You know what happens to a toad when it’s struck by lightning?”) Whedon later explained his draft had a running gag of Toad listing off Toad feats, always starting with “you know what happens to a toad when…?” and that keeping the line after cutting its setup made no sense.
>and that keeping the line after cutting its setup made no sense.
It still would have sucked if they kept the Toad parts Joss
>Over 30 different scripts were written for the movie
And they went with that one? Kek
>Singer behaved erratically on set, arriving late, throwing tantrums and blatantly casting young men as background extras in exchange for sexual favors – including the actor who originally played Pyro, Alex Burton, who later sued Singer and his production partner Marc Collins-Rector. Feige and DeSanto were assigned by the studio to keep him in check.
>Despite filming having been delayed for three months due to Dougray Scott’s injury and the search for a new Wolverine, Fox moved up the release date from Christmas 2000 to July to fill the void left by Minority Report, which had been delayed, meaning the movie had to be delivered six months early, resulting in an extremely rushed production.
>Feige and DeSanto pushed for the X-Men to wear blue-and-yellow costumes like in the comics, but were overruled by Singer and Fox, who opted for black leather so the movie would be taken seriously following the box office flop of more colorful superhero movies such as Batman & Robin.
>Hugh Jackman’s physique fluctuates between shots because he only started a heavy workout routine upon being cast in the movie.
>The scene where Cyclops smiles at a little boy in the train station was ad-libbed because the kid they got for the scene was a Cyclops fan and couldn't stop smiling.
>Rebecca Romijn accidentally knocked out Bruce Davison with a kick to the face and threw up on Jackman while filming their fight scene.
>Ray Park ad-libbed Toad’s cheeky dance while fighting Jean Grey.
>Tyler Mane was blinded for two days due to wearing his Sabretooth contacts for too long.
>Producers assumed Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen knew how to play chess and only discovered they needed an instructor when it came the day to shoot their scenes.
assumed Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen knew how to play chess and only discovered they needed an instructor when it came the day to shoot their scenes.
This sounds moronic. No one on set had casual knowledge about the game and could tell them "put this piece there"?
>No one on set had casual knowledge about the game and could tell them "put this piece there"?
You mean they needed someone on the set to be an instructor?
I am reading that as they hired some outside chess expert to fulfill this one role and that sounds moronic and wasteful of money.
>moronic and wasteful of money
Welcome to big budget Hollywood slop!
Sound exactly like a mafia scam
>Ray Park ad-libbed Toad’s cheeky dance while fighting Jean Grey.
BASED
>Rebecca Romijn
>threw up on Jackman while filming their fight scene.
Frick these Hollywood dudes they live such kino lives. You know how much I have to pay a prostitute to throw up on me and this guy gets it's for free from prime romjin
A hooker actually did throw up on my dick once, choking during head. Turns out, I'm the biggest she ever had.
Frick you then. Wish I had a large penis.
wash your dick man she just didn't wanna lose her pay
and DeSanto pushed for the X-Men to wear blue-and-yellow costumes like in the comics, but were overruled by Singer and Fox, who opted for black leather so the movie would be taken seriously following the box office flop of more colorful superhero movies such as Batman & Robin.
I think this was a hit. People were much more open to fashionable looking black leather uniforms, than silly outfits. And they still do. That's why they chose to dress absolutely everyone with that in the final seasons of GOT.
honestly. It makes no sense to wear neon blue and yellow. And I wish the costumes had more colorful flair, but the right call was made for people to treat it like a serious movie and not power rangers.
Alex Ross did some designs inspired by the first movie. Something like this could have worked.
>Feige and DeSanto pushed for the X-Men to wear blue-and-yellow costumes like in the comics, but were overruled by Singer and Fox, who opted for black leather so the movie would be taken seriously following the box office flop of more colorful superhero movies such as Batman & Robin.
I wouldn't say I like the black outfit but I think the choice is interesting due to the fact that the team is made up of "tactical" mutants who hide and act only at night, people complain about not wearing yellow but I kind of understand the context and I don't think It's all. bad
Diddler's first two films are still the best superhero movies of all time.
didn’t want the cast to read the comics and forbid them on set, but producer Kevin Feige would often smuggle them in, and the cast passed them around behind Singer’s back.
>>Like Crowe, Jackman mistook Wolverine to be based on wolves and watched several nature documentaries in order to learn how to properly emulate wolf mannerisms, and almost got fired when he started acting like a wolf on set.
Why do they keep doing this? Withholding the source material from actors and you see moronic shit like this happening
singer was too busy goin to homosexual parties getting drugged out to put any effort towards being true to the original material
He got away with it all. Got rich off of movies and the worst they did is "ban" him from the industry when he should be in jail. Was probably ass fricking Ian McKellen which is why he got the role. I never liked his as Magneto. Should have got someone slightly younger and less sickly looking for the role.
>muh Holocaust
1 line. "I age slower due to my mutation" that's all you needed to explain why he didn't look old.
Someone post some blue chick webms
I know you motherfrickers have some good ones saved
Day 2 of asking for blue tummy webms
Holy fuggin SNIFFFFFFFFFFF
When did this site get invaded by rapey Pajeets?
>ah ha, I am le elegant man. I wear a watch and will marry upon a Thursday to my bride. Right hand on bible as I swear in my allegiance in love to my muse, my flame.
Shut the frick up loser lmao I wanna by 5 inches deep with my nose in her boody
Whenever an attractive woman is posted you all degrade into autistic pajeet posting.
>you all degrade
yeah you're just the king here sitting and watching us all act so horrible
Get off Cinemaphile and go get laid you frickin loser if you're so much better. No one cares about what your thoughts are
>n...n...no u
Stop acting like a rapey pajeet
>I am telling you what to do, l-listen to me !!
Stop acting like a fricking girl holy shit
Don't do it, young man. I too fell for that meme. Then I went to a strip club and got a lap dance from a 10/10 blonde. Part of the dance where she's shaking her butt in front of me, I lean forward. My nose is inches away from her anus in black panties, I took a sniff. It literally smelled like poop, just as bad as yours or mine. Then she grinded on me and I still sinned in my pants, but I was disgusted.
>I sniffed shit from a dancing prostitute at a horribly degenerate place
You're just a gross person my man lol. all there is to that
If you're in love and totally familiar with your partner physically and psychologically and she's clean but still smells like herself then it's the greatest sex imaginable. Sit on my face is the most popular sexual meme for a reason
Stop sniffing the shit of prostitutes you idiot. that's nasty.
Kys lady boy
You first pajeet
the sniff meme is ancient. fricking newbie
>2015 is ancient
Why are you so against not acting like one of those stereotypical pajeet memes?
God bless
>we missed out on Cameron's X Men
so much kino lost
>Bryan Singer began reading the comics after the first movie’s success, and chose “God Loves, Man Kills” as the basis of the sequel immediately after reading it.
>William Stryker was reinvented from a preacher leading an anti-mutant militia to the military scientist responsible for the Weapon X Program to give a connection to the movie’s protagonist Wolverine.
>Stryker would originally create the Sentinels and the Legacy Virus. Rewrites replaced the Legacy Virus for Dark Cerebro to give Professor Xavier a bigger role and removed the Sentinels at the behest of Fox President Tom Rothman, who claimed audiences wouldn’t take the movie seriously if it featured giant robots.
>Stryker's brainwashed mutant enforcers were originally Sabretooth, Toad and Archangel, who would have razor-sharp Adamantium wings. Wolverine would fight Sabretooth, Nightcrawler and Storm would fight Toad, and Cyclops and Jean Grey would fight Archangel, who would ultimately join the X-Men. They were cut due to the budget and the movie having too many characters.
>Stryker's assistant Anne Reynolds was originally a human loyal to his cause. When Sabretooth, Toad and Archangel were cut, she was changed into a brainwashed Deathstrike to feature at least one mutant villain for Wolverine to fight.
>Dark Cerebro would originally cause mutants across the globe to lose control of their powers, leading to cameos of human-looking Hank McCoy transforming into Beast in the middle of a televised debate, Gambit blowing up a deck of cards during a poker game, and Marrow’s bone protrusions emerging while she is school. This was cut due to budget, and rewrites changed it to Dark Cerebro giving mutants deadly migraines instead.
>Dark Cerebro would originally cause mutants across the globe to lose control of their powers, leading to cameos of human-looking Hank McCoy transforming into Beast in the middle of a televised debate, Gambit blowing up a deck of cards during a poker game, and Marrow’s bone protrusions emerging while she is school. This was cut due to budget, and rewrites changed it to Dark Cerebro giving mutants deadly migraines instead.
BOOOOOOO
You gotta cut budget for a badly made 300mill (2000s dollars) goyslop so the israelites have enough leftovers for gay orgies cocaine and paying off eye witnesses of abuse.
>Rewrites... removed the Sentinels at the behest of Fox President Tom Rothman, who claimed audiences wouldn’t take the movie seriously if it featured giant robots.
This was obviously long before China was being considered as a market.
What was the budget? a $1.
Make it animated.
I remember X2 being a pretty weird movie but that explains it.
I do find it funny how budget keeps being an issue in these posts. Like the first one, sure, keep it cheap since it was the first superhero movie after Batman and Robin... But X2? After X-Men was a huge success? I suppose Spider-Man hadn't come out yet, but still, you can tell Fox was pinching pennies throughout this series.
Tom Rothman, Fox's CEO at the time, was notorious for wanting low budgets and short run times. X-Men 3 (Yes Men 3) was 30 minutes shorter than X2.
He's also the guy who made the call to Galactus a giant space cloud in Fantastic Four 2.
>He's also the guy who made the call to Galactus a giant space cloud in Fantastic Four 2.
The movie was mostly good in my eyes except for that.
And WB followed suit with Green Lantern.
>Yeah make the most notorious villains (yes parallax was kind of a big deal then) in comics gas clouds
Oh he was a Sony guy too? Kek, that explains it. It really feels like the X-Men movies were great in spite of everything that was going on, Singer sucked and was hated, execs were cheap, scripts slapped together. Even Sony didn't do this poorly on the original Spider-Man productions.
Singer has to have some serious dirt on Hollywood people. He roles with Kevin Spacey, so he's in deep
>nearly every single movie he's worked on, some young twink actors accuse him (and his entourage of older men) of rape shenanigans
>shows up late to set all the time
>when he does show up, he's high as frick
>gets his actors maimed on set
Last I heard, he was self financing his own documentary that he thinks will clear his name. KEK. We'll see how that goes
You're telling me. This thread alone says Fox kept having to send producers to the set so that Singer wouldn't get drunk and rape everybody, yet they still kept him around? Even after he got their star Jackman injured, they still wanted him back for X3.
Amy Pascal and Tom Rothman are responsible for the current clusterfrick state of Spider-Man/Sony cinematic universe. Rothman also cancelled the sequel to Master and Commander.
Amusingly, he allegedly hates science fiction and horror films, yet he married fricking Jessica Harper, the lead actress in Suspiria.
>removed the Sentinels at the behest of Fox President Tom Rothman, who claimed audiences wouldn’t take the movie seriously if it featured giant robots.
Goddamnit I knew I’d see that fricker’s name in this thread. Worst Fox/Sony executive ever
>Cyclops and Professor X had smaller roles so the X-Men would have to fight without their leaders. Early cuts featured Mastermind tricking Cyclops into believing that he had escape, rescue Xavier and break out of Weapon X, but it was cut for pacing.
>Kitty Pryde and Jubilee originally had bigger roles. Kitty would escape alongside Wolverine, Rogue, Iceman and Pyro, while Jubilee would protect the young mutant captured by Stryker from the soldiers at the Weapon X facility.
>Early drafts featured a love triangle between Rogue, Iceman and Pyro that was scrapped for being too similar to the Wolverine, Jean Grey and Cyclops love triangle.
>Early drafts featured Wolverine training in the Danger Room. It was featured in the movie’s first poster and teaser trailer before being cut due to the budget.
>The romance between Storm and Nightcrawler was added after Halle Berry won an Oscar in order to give her a larger role.
>The kiss between Wolverine and Jean Grey was added due to the pairing’s popularity with audiences following the first movie.
>Mystique’s scales and Nightcrawler’s tattoos were added so the characters wouldn’t have “Star Trek-y” flat blue skin.
>>The romance between Storm and Nightcrawler was added after Halle Berry won an Oscar in order to give her a larger role.
uhhh, refresh my memory? romance? don't they just talk about his scars?
Nightcrawler had the pajeet stare
>Anthony Hopkins was approached for William Stryker before Brian Cox was cast.
>Lucy Liu was approached for Deathstrike before Kelly Hu was cast.
>Neil Patrick Harris and Ethan Embry tested for Nightcrawler before Alan Cummings was cast. Harris was the early favorite, but lost the role because Cummings was already fluent in German.
>Producer Tom DeSanto was once again assigned to keep Singer in check, and even halted production after Singer insisted on shooting a stunt-heavy scene while drunk and got Jackman injured. Singer fired DeSanto for interfering with production, but was forced to reinstate him when the entire cast threatened to quit in solidarity with DeSanto.
Casting Alan was the right choice, he did amazing
Also Jesus Christ, I knew Singer was a hack, but this is even worse than I thought
Those suits are pure kino. I hate comic book Black folk. First class sucks my smelly dick.
>Hugh Jackman had two sets of prop claws – Plastic for stunts, metal for posing. He wore the metal claws for the Weapon X breakout flashback, which he filmed in the nude, and turned around to find the female cast and crew - and James Marsden's mother – ogling him. He tried to cover himself and slashed his tight, requiring several stitches.
>Jackman shot kissing scenes with every female cast members for the scene where Mystique attempts to seduce Wolverine. None of them were used in the movie.
>James Marsden campaigned for Cyclops to have an fight scene against the guards at Magneto's prison before being captured, and while it was filmed, most of it ended up being cut.
>The song in Cyclops' car was supposed to be Cher's "Believe". She felt that the movie was making fun of her and refused to sign off on it, so they switched to N'Sync's "Bye Bye".
>Fox auctioned off the custom-made Xavier wheelchair from the first movie and had to rent it out for Patrick Stewart to use in the sequel.
>which he filmed in the nude, and turned around to find the female cast and crew - and James Marsden's mother – ogling him. He tried to cover himself and slashed his tight, requiring several stitches.
Woman moment
>James Marsden campaigned for Cyclops to have an fight scene against the guards at Magneto's prison before being captured, and while it was filmed, most of it ended up being cut.
they really like to delete the best stuff, fricking hell
>He tried to cover himself and slashed his tight, requiring several stitches
I don't believe this. Why would they make them sharp lol
>Jackman shot kissing scenes with every female cast members for the scene where Mystique attempts to seduce Wolverine.
Niice. Hollywood doesn't treat women like they used to. They should again.
>>The song in Cyclops' car was supposed to be Cher's "Believe".
I just watched this for the first time and did everyone think the dialogue was really bad back then?
>You know what happens to a frog that gets struck by lightning? The same as everything else.
Like it made me lose respect for David Hayter and I only knew that dude from voice acting in Metal Gear Solid.
It did have some fun moments but the writing was definitely messy. I also watched X2 which was roughly similar though the dialogue was a bit better. Will watch X3 and the rest soon.
>Like it made me lose respect for David Hayter and I only knew that dude from voice acting in Metal Gear Solid
Joss Whedon was the one who put that joke in
Okay but there's plenty of other bad/wooden dialogue, that was just the one that stuck out to me the most. Funnily enough it felt very MGS in that the exposition was very on the nose. The movies also don't really have much in the way of underlying themes, which is fine if you're making a fun popcorn capeflick but it's definitely less compelling than the Spider-Man Raimi movies IMO.
I'm not gonna read through your Wikipedia copypaste sorry.
I want to know more about what the popular opinion was back then (from people who actually saw the movie), not really considered with trivia.
Ah, but if you had bothered to read, you would have seen there had already been specific discussion and explanation of the very line you called out!
It only clarifies who wrote that specific line, not what people thought of the dialogue at the time. Nowadays Raimi Spider-Man appears to be more beloved online, but X-Men has had a ton of staying power given it's an entire film franchise that's arguably still going.
Were you guys just not alive back then? Is that why you can't answer? I personally was, just never watched the X-Men movies until now.
What a clusterfrick, kek.
I guess that would explain why the dialogue is the way it is, they were probably more concerned about keeping everything glued together.
>Were you guys just not alive back then? Is that why you can't answer?
Well I was like 11 or 12 when it came out, and i saw it in the cinema and thought it was very cool, so much so i got it on VHS as well
So thats my opinion of the dialogue at the time.
Also, what dialogue specifically youre thinking of? Since apart from the toad line i dont really remember that much goofy shit in it
Imagine fricked her in her default form
I remember the MAD Magazine parody where Toad answered,
>No, but now I know "Did you ever dance with you devil in the pale moon light?" is now only the second dumbest question ever asked in a comic book movie.
Backstory on how Hayter ended up writing the script
>Despite a lineup of A-list writers, David Hayter, who served as Singer’s assistant and was answering phones in the production offices for $500 a week, received sole credit.
>Hayter had recently produced and starred in the Slamdance feature Burn and was an avid X-Men fan. Singer began to rely on Hayter for his comic book knowledge, and eventually, had him writing new scenes.
>“[Singer] started taking me to script meetings with Peter Rice and Tom Rothman, and he would say, ‘Just sit there, take notes, don’t say anything and don’t tell anyone you are writing the script,’” says Hayter. “Ralph Winter knew and he asked me to highlight everything I’d done in the script at that point, and it was about 55 percent of the script. Ralph went to Peter Rice and said, ‘Look, here’s the deal. David, the phone guy, has been writing the script. You have to make a deal with him or we are in serious legal jeopardy. Peter called me into his office and offered me $35,000 and said, ‘That’s all you’ll ever get. Be happy with that.’”
>But other project insiders say Solomon and McQuarrie wrote the majority of what wound up onscreen, with contributions from Hayter. Sources say McQuarrie was so angry at the studio for the tortuous process that he persuaded Solomon to remove his name, along with his own, from the film. McQuarrie declined to comment. A WGA arbitration ensued, and Solomon and McQuarrie agreed that they wouldn’t publicly take their names off the movie if the WGA wouldn’t force their names on it. (After a ruling is made, writers are barred from speaking about the arbitration process.)
>It wound up being an expensive decision. “Chris gave up at least $1 million the first year in residuals and credit bonuses,” Hayter notes. “Same with Ed. It’s unheard-of.”
I cannot follow this, who ended writing what?
The script was mostly Solid Snake's but the screen adaptation did not use it all of it?
Basically, we don't know.
McQuarrie took his name off the script because he thought final script was closer to Hayter's vision.
Hayter claims the final script is about 55% his.
Hayter was brought back for X2 to write a script. A separate script was written by Zak Penn. Hayter and Penn then combined their best ideas into a singular script.
Then 2 more guys rewrote the Hayter/Penn script to make the final X2 script.
Don't just scroll down to the bottom of the thread next time. Read the posts that might be relevant. It's just polite.
You dumb motherfricker.
It was literally explained in like second trivia post in the thread why that line exists, and somehow a dumb motherfricker (you) still comes around posts this
Bite my butt! Bite my butt till chocolate comes out! Oh wait, that's not chocolate!
>explained in like second trivia post
It doesn't? I marathoner the first two posts and nothing is said about that.
>Fox had only signed the cast for two movies, and had to renegotiate their contracts for the third movie, leading to significant pay raises for all.
>Singer left to direct Superman Returns with the expectation that Fox would wait for him to do X-Men 3. Fox was so furious that they not only moved forward without Singer but set X-Men 3 for release one month before Superman Returns.
>Singer’s original pitch for the third movie featured Jean Grey returning as the Phoenix, and Magneto recruiting Xavier’s ex-girlfriend Emma Frost to brainwash her into helping the Brotherhood take over the world, and also featured Gambit as a thief who joins the Brotherhood but later switches sides to the X-Men after falling in love with Rogue. Singer wanted Sigourney Weaver as Emma Frost and Channing Tatum as Gambit.
>When Singer left, he took the previous films’ writers, composer, cinematographer, production designer and James Marsden with him, and tried to take Hugh Jackman, Famke Janssen and Shawn Ashmore to play Jonathan Kent, Superman’s Kryptonian mother Lara and Jimmy Olsen, respectively.
>Since the first two movies were praised for its grounded approach, Tom Rothman didn't want X3 to be too fantastical. He was against including the Sentinels as anything but a Danger Room simulation and pushed for the Phoenix to be Jean's evil split personality rather of a cosmic entity, as well as the mutant cure storyline as the main plot since it provided a larger role for Magneto.
>, Tom Rothman didn't want X3 to be too fantastical. He was against including the Sentinels as anything but a Danger Room simulation and pushed for the Phoenix to be Jean's evil split personality rather of a cosmic entity
GAAAAAAYYYY
>Can't get Famke Janssen? Let's try Eva Marie Saint instead!
Different mom.
>since it provided a larger role for Magneto
The reboot should have done this too.
>pay raises
lol, but to be expected
>fox spite
gay and moronic
>Singer’s original pitch
sounds way better than what we got.
>Singer wanted Sigourney Weaver as Emma Frost and Channing Tatum as Gambit.
that would have been actually good casting
>When Singer left, he took the previous films’ writers, composer, cinematographer, production designer
on top of rushed spite and new director. no wonder it was so fricking awful
>Phoenix to be Jean's evil split personality rather of a cosmic entity
and just like that, they made proof that deviating from what makes the original loved and shitting on it will not go over well.
>we could have had Sigourney Weaver kino
damn
>Darren Aronofsky, Zack Snyder, Joss Whedon and Alex Proyas were considered to replace Singer before Matthew Vaughn was hired. Vaughn cast Kelsey Grammer as Beast and Vinnie Jones as the Juggernaut, but later dropped out due to creative conflicts with Fox and Brett Ratner stepped in.
>James Marsden, Rebecca Romijn and Anna Paquin were not available due to the rushed production and had to be written out - Mystique and Rogue lost their powers and Cyclops got killed. The writers tried to convince Fox not to kill off Cyclops, but execs thought it would be very dramatic and insisted on it.
>Juggernaut had a bigger role in Vaughn’s version and was actually Xavier's half-brother. Most of his scenes were cut and he was reduced to comic relief, and has been vocal about how Ratner ripped him off.
>Nightcrawler had such a small role that Alan Cummings declined to return and go through the grueling makeup process again for so little screen time. Producers justified his absence by claiming that Beast and Mystique were already in the movie and too many blue-skinned characters would confuse audiences.
>Vaughn originally cast Maggie Grace as Kitty Pryde, but she dropped out when Vaughn did. Eliza Dushku and Summer Glau tested before Ellen Page was cast on Ratner's insistence. He then spent the entire production bullying her for being gay after she turned him down.
>Vaughn originally cast Mike Vogel as Angel, but dropped out when Vaughn did. Nick Stahl and Ryan Phillipe tested before Ben Foster was cast.
>Vaughn originally cast Omahyra Mota as mutant prostitute Stacy-X. Ratner scrapped the character and recast Mota as Magneto's enforcer Arclight.
>Ratner originally cast Mei Melançon as mutant gangster Revanche, but Fox changed her into the more recognizable Pyslocke, who in the comics ultimately gets body-swapped with Revanche.
>He then spent the entire production bullying her for being gay after she turned him down.
Lmfaoooo
Was this an actual cover for the movie? Why is everyone making some sort of power pose except for Halle Berry who is just standing there looking like she can't wait to be done with the photo shoot.
>but execs thought it would be very dramatic and insisted on it.
Hollywood executives really have a brain worm that tells them to greenlight all the worst decisions.
I am still seething to this day.
> Ellen Page was cast on Ratner's insistence. He then spent the entire production bullying her for being gay after she turned him down.
Are you happy now?
I thought they killed Cyclops also as a frick you to Marsden for doing Superman.
I'm pretty sure Cyclops got killed off as payback for James Marsden jumping ship with Bryan Singer to make Superman Returns.
>The writers tried to convince Fox not to kill off Cyclops, but execs thought it would be very dramatic and insisted on it.
We will never get a Cyclops as spot on as James Marsden again and the moronic execs wasted him.
isn't Sonic a bigger series these days anyway?
No, Sonic still struggles with its games.
If Disney has any sense they'll get him back.
I really liked the 2010s 'reboot' but the movies were kinda related. The first and 2nd are the best x men movies in existence. The 3rd with phoenix and the alien groots was pretty meh.
Now I'm watching the 2000s movies and finished with the first a couple hours ago. It's mid as frick but it's kinda fun. Will go trough the rest and then the wolverine movies.
Good bread op and timed very well. I might live in my miserable simulation slop.
>Vaughn’s version had a different plot structure: Magneto lifting the Golden Gate Bridge happened in the second act, and Alcatraz was a mutant prison rather than Worthington Labs headquarters. Magneto would break out its inmates to build his army, and then unleash the Phoenix, who would destroy San Francisco, killing thousands of people. Ratner felt that the bridge lift was too impressive not to be the final setpiece, while Fox objected to Jean committing mass murder.
>The final battle would originally happen in Washington, D.C., with the Brotherhood destroying Worthington Labs and then targeting the White House, where X-Men come in to save the day, with Iceman freezing the Potomac river so they could land.
>Vaughn’s version featured Wolverine and Storm getting together, and some drafts even included a love triangle between them and Beast, who would be Storm’s ex-boyfriend. Other drafts had Colossus be gay like in the Ultimate comics and have a crush on Wolverine.
>Vaughn’s version also featured Rogue going undercover in the Brotherhood. Gambit was still present in some drafts and they would get together while Iceman would up with Kitty Pryde. Rogue would also be in the final battle and take out the Juggernaut, permanently stealing his powers in the process.
>Colossus was supposed to have a bigger role that was cut down in rewrites. He would fight the Juggernaut and beat up Magneto. Fox also cheaped out on Colossus and just wrapped Daniel Cudmore in a reflexive foil-esque "armor" makeup instead of CGI-ing it.
>Angel was also supposed to have a bigger role and actually join the final battle, wearing Cyclops’s X-suit. He would kill several Brotherhood members by lifting them up in the sky and dropping them to their deaths before Magneto cuts one of his wings off with a piece of debris.
>Other drafts had Colossus be gay like in the Ultimate comics and have a crush on Wolverine.
Damn, we missed on some good Cudmore and Jackman bara kino scenes
was also supposed to have a bigger role and actually join the final battle, wearing Cyclops’s X-suit. He would kill several Brotherhood members by lifting them up in the sky and dropping them to their deaths before Magneto cuts one of his wings off with a piece of debris.
They cut the best things, why?
literally all of these vaughn versions sound significantly better.
>Deleted scenes include Wolverine fighting Multiple-Man and his copies in the forest, Beast and Kitty breaking into Worthington Labs to steal a sample of the cure for further study, and Kitty and Iceman rescuing Warren Worthington Sr. from the Brotherhood during a car chase.
>Anna Paquin hated that Rogue took the cure. They shot an alternative version where she didn't, but test-audiences chose the cure ending. They also went with the version where she holds hands with Iceman over the one where they actually kiss since the producers' daughters felt the kiss made it "too sexual".
>An alternative ending features Pyro reforming and rejoining the X-Men, but test-audiences felt he was too evil to get redemption, so he just disappears after being knocked out by Iceman, since there was no time to film a proper death scene.
>Mystique would be revealed to still be in cahoots with Magneto in the end, her whole “being cured and selling him out to the government after being ditched” being all part of Magneto's masterplan, but Rebecca Romjin was unavailable to film the scene.
>Xavier's death was supposed to be definitive, the stinger where he transferring his mind to his twin brother's braindead body was a last-minute addition because test-audiences didn't like him dying.
>since the producers' daughters felt
Imagine how many kino is ruined because some spoiled morons being asked for their useless opinion
>Michael Jackson as Charles Xavier
>Michael Jackson as Janet Jackson as Storm
>Shaq as Bishop
>Glenn Danzig as Wolverine
>Jeremy Irons as Magneto
>Vince Vaughn as Cyclops
>Lucy Lawless as Jean Grey
>Sarah Michelle Gellar as Rogue
>Triple H as Sabretooth
We could have had real kino but nooooo
Vaughn as Cyclops
That would have been awful
If by awful you mean awful then yes
Did Singer coomed inside Jackman or not?
>Anna Paquin hated that Rogue took the cure. They shot an alternative version where she didn't, but test-audiences chose the cure ending.
No shit audiences chose the cure ending.
>X-Men 97 is the highest rated Marvel product in years. Has been trending number 1 on Twitter.
>Deadpool & Wolverine has been voted as the number 1 anticipated movie of the year.
X-Men bros, are we officially back after a decade in the wilderness?
X-Men '97 is crazy good. It really feels like a direct continuation of everything that made the original show the greatest.
>original show
>good
Even image era crap was better than that
Besides Spiderman, the X-Men have always been the best and most known marvel franchise.
Everyone fricking loves the X-Men. The problem is that they have had a very rocky trajectory throughout the years because of subpar products.
>the X-Men have always been the best and most known marvel franchise.
As my initial post said, this has definitely not been true for a decade (or more realistically 15 years). The Avengers crew definitely overtook them in popularity. Marvel actively prevented X-Men characters from being in projects outside of the movies to promote the MCU characters.
Now that FOX has sold them the rights, its seems we are getting a lot more X-Men projects in all forms of media.
>Besides Spider-Man, the X-Men have always been the best and most known marvel franchise.
>always
In the 90s and 00s, sure. But in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, the Hulk was far more popular. The Avengers have also completely eclipsed the X-Men in terms of popularity in the last decade, and I'm doubtful the X-Men will reclaim their spot from the most successful superhero movie franchsie of all time.
Wolverine's last movie did better at the box office than Marvel's latest flops, and it's arguable that Wolverine is Marvel's second most popular character behind Spider-Man. If Disney weren't such an ass Marvel would be selling more by cashing in on Deadpool and Wolverine's success.
>Wolverine's last movie did better at the box office than Marvel's latest flops
So? Dark Phoenix did worse than Quantumania. Plus shouldn't the MCU's recent failures be a sign that a potential MCU X-Men movie might also be failure. Whilst the X-Men have been going through a bit of revival lately, buts its mainly older audiences that are interested, I can't imagine kids are going to be watching an R-rated movie or a sequel series to a 90s cartoon they've probably never seen. It'll be the X-Men reboot film that decides if the X-Men can reclaim their former glory, and to be honest I have doubts that will happen.
This, the X-Men comics may have sold better than Hulk's, but the Hulk TV series ensured that he remained the more popular. Despite the X-Men's popularity in the 80s, they floundered in media outside of the comics until the 90s animated series started airing.
Hulk more popular than X-Men in the 80s? LMAO
Not even sure that's true for the 70s. Claremont joined the book in 1975 and took it to stratospheric heights from there after.
He means with non comicgays. Bixby's Hulk was ingrained in popular consciousness for decades.
i dont understand the love for this show, its mid at best and the jubilee episode was trash
>Forget your Family Guy University?
What does this even mean
>Singer didn’t want the cast to read the comics and forbid them on set
no wonder the films turned out like shit
>Viggo Mortensen was approached for Wolverine, but his son convinced him to turn it down because the script was not faithful to the comics.
based
>almost got fired when he started acting like a wolf on set.
lmao, all i can visualize is that stupid fricking otherkin documentary, and thats hilarious.
>casting choices
jesus christ most of these first thoughts were utterly awful.
>30 scripts
and we still ended up with this shitpile, eh?
>box office flop of more colorful superhero movies such as Batman & Robin.
right, it was the COSTUMES AND COLOR that made that movie flop...
>assumed Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen knew how to play chess
knighted (and old) englishmen dont know how to play chess? are you fricking kidding?
>knighted (and old) englishmen dont know how to play chess? are you fricking kidding?
How many of the well known grandmasters in chess were English? It was much more of an eastern european game in their era.
>most of these first thoughts were utterly awful.
Christopher Lee would genuinely have been a better magneto
i dont give a frick about grandmasters. its a non-electronic pastime, and has been hundreds of years. as an american kid in the 90s, even i learned how to play basic chess, and i had video games and cartoons. i thought british schools were all stuck up and snooty for the classics like chess.
and i said "most of". however, im not entirely sure christopher lee would have been better. he was even older. a YOUNGER christopher lee, frick yeah, but at that time? i dont know.
>In 2017, numerous women in Hollywood came forward with allegations of sexual misconduct, sexual assault, or harassment against Ratner.[10] He has since not produced a film in Hollywood, and he emigrated to Israel in 2023.[11]
KEK, classic