Are you one of those people who pretends "woke" doesn't exist, or that there's no separation between "sensible civil rights allegory" and "modern wokeslop"? On 4chins? Jesus.
Modern wokeslop is the hamfisted, middle school writer's workshop version. It's spiritually the same as "very special episode" after school special writing, but being executed by upjumped fanfic writers.
I've been watching and more or less every episode so far has a scene where the show stops for one of the X-Men, usually Storm, to give a 'bigotry bad" speech.
X-Men as a metaphor for racism was fine. It's a good message that you should not hate people for immutable traits they are born with. It's largely a problem that has been solved at this point, however - generally no one is not getting hired purely because they are black, no one has crosses burned on their lawn for dating interracially, etc. Black people still have problems but they are not due to currently existing prejudice. It's okay to keep the racism metaphor as a reminder that we should not hate people for inborn traits. However, Claremont never intended for mutants to be a metaphor for every identity issue. He didn't intend for them to represent homosexuals, never mind transgenderism, etc. The metaphors don't really work either. Like with transgenderism the closest analogy would be humans who declare themselves to be 'trans mutants' and tape laser beams to their glasses or kitchen knives to their hands. A la the U-Men in the X-Men anime.
>generally no one is not getting hired purely because they are black
No it's not solved because now people are not getting hired because they are white.
And mutants are a bad metaphor for diversity hires because their powers could be used to be overqualified. Like superstrength getting someone a job at construction.
Mutants were always a terrible metaphor. A black person is a person who happens to be black. A mutant is a person who can strip away your free will, or accidentally level a city and kill a million people because his glasses came off.
How does a legal system function in a world where literally anyone can say "it wasn't me, I was being mind controlled" and there's every possibility that they really were? There'd be reasonable doubt in every case. What happens when Ed Gein is born with Storm's powers and can wreck the climate forever?
Hating mutants is 100% sane and logical if you think about them for more than ten seconds.
>How does a legal system function in a world where literally anyone can say "it wasn't me, I was being mind controlled" and there's every possibility that they really were?
The legal system is aware of cults. You should read about Charles Manson sometime.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Its disingenuous to pretend that cults and Charles Xavier are the same thing.
I was rewatching the 90s show the other day and the episode with Killgrave Cyclop just straight up fricking says, "We can't force people to accept us!" And woke shit does the exact opposite. Woke shit id Malcom X and Magneto. I am fricking on Martin Luthur King and Xavier's side. And a gay so shut your mouth and don't tell me I don't understand Xmen because Im living it b***h also transgender is a scam and not real and fujoshi are homophobic and make me hate women no I will not elaborate.
until 2010 x-men was full of sexy women and cool badass white male heroes.
the new show will censor every female design and every white male will be written as a weakling or idiot who gets rescued or beaten up by a woman every episode.
Liberal ideology went through significant changes in the early 10s. That being said, it's possible for something to be woke and good at the same time as Gillen's currently demonstrating in Immortal.
>Cyclops and Storm are MCs >Mohawk
Let me get out of my crystal ball, the story will be "something something Cyclops vs Storm something something Storm takes leadership because that happened one time in the comics something something Storm is the greatest leader we've ever had even Wolverine likes her woah something something Cyclops kneels before Storm in the danger room and Jean kneels before Storm in the bedroom, credits"
>It’ll be animated using tweens and rigs instead of being drawn frame-by-frame. >They start to adapt more modern stories haphazardly because they wanna make Krakoa a thing for synergy. >Deadpool is finally introduced fully but he’s completely out of character akin to how he’s portrayed in the Drake Bell Spider-Man show. >There’ll be an obligatory fight scene every episode. >Someone will say "UM, WHY ARE THEY CALLED THE X-MEN WHEN THERE ARE WOMEN ON THE TEAM?" >"Mutants good, humans bad"
>for synergy
I don't know why they do this. They've been trying to align comics and not-comics portrayals of their IP for three decades now, and the only result has been a constant and consistent downward spiral of comic sales. The average fan doesn't care if it aligns to the modern comics or not, because the average fan doesn't read modern comics anymore. Even people with a graphic novel shelf in their home are largely leaving the industry behind.
Due to psychics' ability to frick up your perceptions, she deserves nothing. I'm still like 99% sure she was just playing everybody and mindfricked Scott into loving her.
>she was just playing everybody and mindfricked Scott into loving her
Jean would have known surely
The end of Morrison's run made it clear that it was Jean from the future herself who mind controlled Scott into loving Emma because the alternative lead to a bad future where everyone died.
A rare moment of sanity from someone working on something related to the X-Men. Does he also consider Magneto a villain rather than a dindu "anti-hero"?
>The showrunner has stated that he's not a fan if the isolationist message of Krakoa
Based
>(He also blames the relationship with Emma for turning Cyclops into a villain who killed Xavier)
Cringe. Emma deserves a fair shake.
>Cringe. Emma deserves a fair shake.
She's not real, even she was she won't frick you, simping for evil characters is cringe.
>gets called out for being a simp for a character that's a mindrapist putting off responsibility of her own evils on to other people
Deep breaths, anon, deep breaths.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>still can't form coherent thoughts without his buzzword
Touch grass anon, touch grass. Its possible to have a positive view of a character without [insert buzzword here].
11 months ago
Anonymous
>b-buzzwords are cringe, you cringelord! cringe!!!
No, seriously, Emma is a shit character.
He's using Headmaster Magneto as part of the cast. What do you think?
Into the trash it goes then.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Emma is a shit character.
I was rewatching the 90s show the other day and the episode with Killgrave Cyclop just straight up fricking says, "We can't force people to accept us!" And woke shit does the exact opposite. Woke shit id Malcom X and Magneto. I am fricking on Martin Luthur King and Xavier's side. And a gay so shut your mouth and don't tell me I don't understand Xmen because Im living it b***h also transgender is a scam and not real and fujoshi are homophobic and make me hate women no I will not elaborate.
>transgender is a scam and not real
Mutants were always a terrible metaphor. A black person is a person who happens to be black. A mutant is a person who can strip away your free will, or accidentally level a city and kill a million people because his glasses came off.
How does a legal system function in a world where literally anyone can say "it wasn't me, I was being mind controlled" and there's every possibility that they really were? There'd be reasonable doubt in every case. What happens when Ed Gein is born with Storm's powers and can wreck the climate forever?
Hating mutants is 100% sane and logical if you think about them for more than ten seconds.
>Mutants were always a terrible metaphor.
Surprisingly based and truthpilled for an X-Men thread.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Killgrave episode was really funny and sad in 2023.
>Killgrave is tired of being oppressed >Is rich so isn't even really disadvantaged >Adopts orphan mutants >Ties him up in his dungeon and and grooms/brainwashes them >sends them off to do terrorism to get himself in positions of power in the government >all for mutant acceptance
Kilkgrave would just be the hero now... Until he shot at an orphanage lmao.
>The showrunner has stated that he's not a fan if the isolationist message of Krakoa >(He also blames the relationship with Emma for turning Cyclops into a villain who killed Xavier)
Why does this guy sound more sane than anyone who's worked on the comics after the 90s?
same with young justice season 3
white male leads will all be side lined and written as weaklings and idiots so that women/minorites look extra competent.
the show will mostly focus on the old women taking over as leaders and leading a new group of only non white and female mutants.
white mens will only be there to be resuced or beaten up by women, sexually explited and to be humiliated for cheap jokes at their expense.
It seems like Alison Court is one of those tards that think white people should only voice white people (as long as no coloreds want the job, of course). Damn shame, really.
Disney's sheer pettiness on the X-Men situation was almost inspiring. That being said, roster was hardly the only thing that went wrong for Infinity, tho it was the most visible
Just going by that one still >Rouge is a fridge girl instead of a sexy buxom southern belle >Gambit has normal eyes >Wolverine is too tall >Jubilee looks like a chink >Scott is only wearing one glove >Storm's cape is connected to her wrists, despite not using her powers >Jean doesn't have a tight, form fitting unitard >Beast doesn't have fur, only back and arm hair
How will they ruin it?
It's X-Men. Cinemaphile will just claim they made it "woke" while pretending to understand the source.
Are you one of those people who pretends "woke" doesn't exist, or that there's no separation between "sensible civil rights allegory" and "modern wokeslop"? On 4chins? Jesus.
"Modern wokeslop" is just the natural evolution of "sensible civil rights allegory".
Modern wokeslop is the hamfisted, middle school writer's workshop version. It's spiritually the same as "very special episode" after school special writing, but being executed by upjumped fanfic writers.
I've been watching and more or less every episode so far has a scene where the show stops for one of the X-Men, usually Storm, to give a 'bigotry bad" speech.
I mean the original. It's obnoxious the reboot can't be anymore hamfisted.
Link us one on Youtube
The people who made the original comic and show would be considered nazi bigots by modern twittards
Even the voice cast is bigoted, they had to change Jubilee because it was haram for a non Asian to voice her
X-Men as a metaphor for racism was fine. It's a good message that you should not hate people for immutable traits they are born with. It's largely a problem that has been solved at this point, however - generally no one is not getting hired purely because they are black, no one has crosses burned on their lawn for dating interracially, etc. Black people still have problems but they are not due to currently existing prejudice. It's okay to keep the racism metaphor as a reminder that we should not hate people for inborn traits. However, Claremont never intended for mutants to be a metaphor for every identity issue. He didn't intend for them to represent homosexuals, never mind transgenderism, etc. The metaphors don't really work either. Like with transgenderism the closest analogy would be humans who declare themselves to be 'trans mutants' and tape laser beams to their glasses or kitchen knives to their hands. A la the U-Men in the X-Men anime.
>we should not hate people for inborn traits
Those "traits" are just a heads up that you're probably dealing with a violent, impulsive, low-iq animal.
Makes it an even better allegory for muties then.
>generally no one is not getting hired purely because they are black
No it's not solved because now people are not getting hired because they are white.
And mutants are a bad metaphor for diversity hires because their powers could be used to be overqualified. Like superstrength getting someone a job at construction.
Mutants were always a terrible metaphor. A black person is a person who happens to be black. A mutant is a person who can strip away your free will, or accidentally level a city and kill a million people because his glasses came off.
How does a legal system function in a world where literally anyone can say "it wasn't me, I was being mind controlled" and there's every possibility that they really were? There'd be reasonable doubt in every case. What happens when Ed Gein is born with Storm's powers and can wreck the climate forever?
Hating mutants is 100% sane and logical if you think about them for more than ten seconds.
>How does a legal system function in a world where literally anyone can say "it wasn't me, I was being mind controlled" and there's every possibility that they really were?
The legal system is aware of cults. You should read about Charles Manson sometime.
Its disingenuous to pretend that cults and Charles Xavier are the same thing.
I was rewatching the 90s show the other day and the episode with Killgrave Cyclop just straight up fricking says, "We can't force people to accept us!" And woke shit does the exact opposite. Woke shit id Malcom X and Magneto. I am fricking on Martin Luthur King and Xavier's side. And a gay so shut your mouth and don't tell me I don't understand Xmen because Im living it b***h also transgender is a scam and not real and fujoshi are homophobic and make me hate women no I will not elaborate.
until 2010 x-men was full of sexy women and cool badass white male heroes.
the new show will censor every female design and every white male will be written as a weakling or idiot who gets rescued or beaten up by a woman every episode.
Liberal ideology went through significant changes in the early 10s. That being said, it's possible for something to be woke and good at the same time as Gillen's currently demonstrating in Immortal.
Attempting to make Jubilee positive representation but actually making her a cringe stereotype, like they do to little Latino boys
Beast is now black and fricking Jean.
Scott is gay and pines for Logan.
Rogue and Joobs are lesbian lovers.
>Rogue and Joobs are lesbian lovers
This is fine
You know what we won't get
cheesecake
That thing could fully envelope poor Jubilee's face
It'll be The Wolverine Show and heavily ignore the other characters. Also didn't they replace Jubilee's original voice actor because she was white?
They already announced that Cyclops and Storm are MCs
That's a plus. Shame about Scott's VA
>Cyclops and Storm are MCs
>Mohawk
Let me get out of my crystal ball, the story will be "something something Cyclops vs Storm something something Storm takes leadership because that happened one time in the comics something something Storm is the greatest leader we've ever had even Wolverine likes her woah something something Cyclops kneels before Storm in the danger room and Jean kneels before Storm in the bedroom, credits"
>It’ll be animated using tweens and rigs instead of being drawn frame-by-frame. >They start to adapt more modern stories haphazardly because they wanna make Krakoa a thing for synergy.
>Deadpool is finally introduced fully but he’s completely out of character akin to how he’s portrayed in the Drake Bell Spider-Man show.
>There’ll be an obligatory fight scene every episode.
>Someone will say "UM, WHY ARE THEY CALLED THE X-MEN WHEN THERE ARE WOMEN ON THE TEAM?"
>"Mutants good, humans bad"
>for synergy
I don't know why they do this. They've been trying to align comics and not-comics portrayals of their IP for three decades now, and the only result has been a constant and consistent downward spiral of comic sales. The average fan doesn't care if it aligns to the modern comics or not, because the average fan doesn't read modern comics anymore. Even people with a graphic novel shelf in their home are largely leaving the industry behind.
You're probably right, I just don't get why.
The showrunner has stated that he's not a fan if the isolationist message of Krakoa
(He also blames the relationship with Emma for turning Cyclops into a villain who killed Xavier)
>The showrunner has stated that he's not a fan if the isolationist message of Krakoa
Based
>(He also blames the relationship with Emma for turning Cyclops into a villain who killed Xavier)
Cringe. Emma deserves a fair shake.
Due to psychics' ability to frick up your perceptions, she deserves nothing. I'm still like 99% sure she was just playing everybody and mindfricked Scott into loving her.
>she was just playing everybody and mindfricked Scott into loving her
Jean would have known surely
The end of Morrison's run made it clear that it was Jean from the future herself who mind controlled Scott into loving Emma because the alternative lead to a bad future where everyone died.
A rare moment of sanity from someone working on something related to the X-Men. Does he also consider Magneto a villain rather than a dindu "anti-hero"?
>Cringe. Emma deserves a fair shake.
She's not real, even she was she won't frick you, simping for evil characters is cringe.
Being unable to parse any opinion about a fictional character as anything but "simping" is cringe. Close the browser, reconnect with real life.
>gets called out for being a simp for a character that's a mindrapist putting off responsibility of her own evils on to other people
Deep breaths, anon, deep breaths.
>still can't form coherent thoughts without his buzzword
Touch grass anon, touch grass. Its possible to have a positive view of a character without [insert buzzword here].
>b-buzzwords are cringe, you cringelord! cringe!!!
No, seriously, Emma is a shit character.
Into the trash it goes then.
>Emma is a shit character.
>transgender is a scam and not real
>Mutants were always a terrible metaphor.
Surprisingly based and truthpilled for an X-Men thread.
The Killgrave episode was really funny and sad in 2023.
>Killgrave is tired of being oppressed
>Is rich so isn't even really disadvantaged
>Adopts orphan mutants
>Ties him up in his dungeon and and grooms/brainwashes them
>sends them off to do terrorism to get himself in positions of power in the government
>all for mutant acceptance
Kilkgrave would just be the hero now... Until he shot at an orphanage lmao.
He's using Headmaster Magneto as part of the cast. What do you think?
Dunno about your info on the headmaster thing, but this is TAS continuation, and TAS Mags was sympathetic
Magneto was only a bad guy for like one episode in the original show.
>The showrunner has stated that he's not a fan if the isolationist message of Krakoa
>(He also blames the relationship with Emma for turning Cyclops into a villain who killed Xavier)
Why does this guy sound more sane than anyone who's worked on the comics after the 90s?
He might actually be the last sane man in Hollywood. We'll see if its bait and switch when it finally airs.
Fricking hell they had a perfect formula with Witcher but just couldn't help themselves and ruined it
>couldn't help themselves and ruined it
Could be the subtitle of almost every game, movie, comic, book, show, etc. of the last decade.
Hmmm so that's why the show kept focusing on that hunchie and that girl, even barely featured Geralt in the last episode of s1.
Professor X isn't in the show because he was killed off in MoM.
Did you notice got rid of Jean's leotard ish look because it was too sexy
same with young justice season 3
white male leads will all be side lined and written as weaklings and idiots so that women/minorites look extra competent.
the show will mostly focus on the old women taking over as leaders and leading a new group of only non white and female mutants.
white mens will only be there to be resuced or beaten up by women, sexually explited and to be humiliated for cheap jokes at their expense.
Rogue x Spider Man
Storm and the X-Jet Get a Toy anons.
"A new look at upcoming merchandise on Twitter for Marvel Studios' animated series X-Men '97 features a new look at Storm and the X-Jet.
The iconic team ship spots a sleek new design, with a larger front, red-tinted windows, and slightly longer wings."
Jet is pretty cool, but i've always really preferred long hair Storm over the mohawk personally
Depends on her outfit, I like her mohawk when she's wearing the punk rocker look, but prefer longer hair for TAS' look.
Didn't they replace Jubilee's VA?
Jubilee shared the voice with my waifu, so they already did for me if that's the truth.
It seems like Alison Court is one of those tards that think white people should only voice white people (as long as no coloreds want the job, of course). Damn shame, really.
Isn't SDCC next week?
Are they gonna get that guy who voiced Gambit in the final season that sounded like Harvey Fierstein?
Wonder if they'll have any good Gambit episodes. He had some fun mini series over the years
The trailer's up!
>Where is the trailer???
You're going to regret asking for that.
The best thing to come out of the animated series were the Capcom fighters.Then it came full circle and Disney ruined the last one.
I'll never forgive them for ruining Marvel vs Capcom as a franchise
Disney's sheer pettiness on the X-Men situation was almost inspiring. That being said, roster was hardly the only thing that went wrong for Infinity, tho it was the most visible
Just going by that one still
>Rouge is a fridge girl instead of a sexy buxom southern belle
>Gambit has normal eyes
>Wolverine is too tall
>Jubilee looks like a chink
>Scott is only wearing one glove
>Storm's cape is connected to her wrists, despite not using her powers
>Jean doesn't have a tight, form fitting unitard
>Beast doesn't have fur, only back and arm hair