The nonstop worshipping of 90’s-era X-Men that’s been going on for the past few years is śoy as frick. The Jim Lee style, the shitty ass cartoon and its gay theme. All of that.
Dude, Krakoa was just the last 20 years of shit recycled, but with nonsensical shit added on like Moira having isekai powers and there being Sinister clones living in piss-filled gold testicle ships.
Yes, that is, cause the thing is, I read the damn thing and despite living in paradise the X-men and their leaders spent so much time malding how THIS time the humans and robots are surely going to wipe mutants off the face of the planet unless they do [insert drastic morally grey action] next, ad infinitum, that you wouldn't know that they weren't on the brink of extinction just by how often they ran around screaming the sky was going to fall on their heads.
Yes. I loved HoXPoX, early Krakoa seemed like it might genuinely lead the line in new, experimental directions, but Covid fricked them something fierce, tons of changes behind the scenes due to production issues for months on end, and then Hickman left and the whole thing slowly petered out. Each phase has felt like it has been worse than the previous, and aside from like 2-3 books everything is mediocre or worse, and largely has been spinning wheels for the past year. Tons of dropped plot points, not to mention the complete tonal shift from early Krakoa which was morally ambiguous and seemed headed for at least a partial comeuppance to a Yay Ethnostate Good! It was just like three guys and we got rid of them!
Hickman left because they wanted to drag out Krakoa beyond his original idea of a roughly 2 year phase 1. And then they just... kill it a year later anyway, no phase three or anything, just on to the next thing? Two years of Duggan Mid-Men is not worth at least not seeing what Hickman had planned. Yeah he sucks at endings but even a Hickman ending would have been more cohesive than this bland, talentless, heartless, by the numbers Mutants Are In Trouble arc. Krakoa was a wash, I want to see what happens next. Been reading for nearly two and a half decades, shit comes and goes.
the ending was supposed to be Storm/BP's son pawning Children of the Vault and Phalanx
> ending was supposed to be
this is, by far, the most annoying attempts of criticizing the krakoa era. Why are you invoking speculation and hypotheticals instead of actually addressing what's real and in print? I have never seen any other big comics run get this treatment on here, nobody waxed poetic about Slott's ASM and how it was "secretly going to get this different ending where Spock becomes the new Green Goblin" or say King's Batman was originally not going to end in bizarre psychoanalysis.
Kind of. My major issues with Karkoa were that it felt so far removed from what X-Men was about as well as being sort of hard to follow after the initial relaunch of everything. If can get a decent back to basics like what Wheadon did then maybe it can be good. Hickman had decent ideas editorial just sort of fricked him over.
So do we have an exact list of all the X-Men that are still alive atm besides who we've seen so far or is that all there is? It's been sort of hard to follow.
Brevoort's been a Marvel editor for more than 30 years, in the Spider-Man then Avengers offices for most of that time, and was one of the guys behind Marvel's policy of doing things to intentionally make fans angry because it would be good for sales. And in the interviews and statements about his move to X-Men editorial, for the first time he actually sounds like he's scared of making the fans angry. Things probably won't change too much from how they've been for the past 20 years because that's what the fans he'll be interacting with on Twitter and CBR actually WANT.
> tons of changes behind the scenes
[...] > ending was supposed to be
this is, by far, the most annoying attempts of criticizing the krakoa era. Why are you invoking speculation and hypotheticals instead of actually addressing what's real and in print? I have never seen any other big comics run get this treatment on here, nobody waxed poetic about Slott's ASM and how it was "secretly going to get this different ending where Spock becomes the new Green Goblin" or say King's Batman was originally not going to end in bizarre psychoanalysis.
>Why are you invoking speculation and hypotheticals instead of actually addressing what's real and in print?
Not the same anon, but "the writer I liked left and someone else took over the book and did something different, it's not what the ending was supposed to be" gets used as grounds to complain about big 2 books all the time. X-Men fandom have been doing it since the first time Claremont left Marvel.
Just by curiosity. See if they are going to frick up again.
they already recast jubilee. i aint watchin.
No, krakoa was the only interesting thing they’ve done in decades
Utopia was better though.
The nonstop worshipping of 90’s-era X-Men that’s been going on for the past few years is śoy as frick. The Jim Lee style, the shitty ass cartoon and its gay theme. All of that.
I want to see how they'll justify the X-Men going back to the fricking mansion.
Yeah, why not?
>Secret Wars
>Inferno
>From the Ashes
What's with all the modern stories named after 80s stories?
Children of the Atom the weird sjw one was named after the video game.
We don't really have any titles or creative teams so I can't have any opinion whatsoever
It'll depend on the team(s). I have very low tolerance for stuff that don't have characters I like as the main focus these days.
Is anyone else looking forward to identifying the body of someone they love?
Can't wait for the storytime threads being filled with nostalgiabait trash
I thought he already "came back" and got BTFO in Way of X
He's back again now, they're dragging out a team of Wolverines to fight him. Yes, seriously, Wolverines
Most of the boomer comic fans who just buy the same issues every week are.
Storytime threads will become unbearable when this comes
krakoa was the worst thing they did in decades so literally anything is better
Krakoa was one of the few times X-Men has been interesting over the last 20 years
sos a car crash its still horrible for all involved
Dude, Krakoa was just the last 20 years of shit recycled, but with nonsensical shit added on like Moira having isekai powers and there being Sinister clones living in piss-filled gold testicle ships.
Ah yes the last 20 years of mutants being on the brink of extinction rolled up into a single status quo is exactly how I'd describe Krakoa
Yes, that is, cause the thing is, I read the damn thing and despite living in paradise the X-men and their leaders spent so much time malding how THIS time the humans and robots are surely going to wipe mutants off the face of the planet unless they do [insert drastic morally grey action] next, ad infinitum, that you wouldn't know that they weren't on the brink of extinction just by how often they ran around screaming the sky was going to fall on their heads.
I've hated everything Krakoa but I also hate about 95% of the comics Brevoort has edited in his life.
Yes. I loved HoXPoX, early Krakoa seemed like it might genuinely lead the line in new, experimental directions, but Covid fricked them something fierce, tons of changes behind the scenes due to production issues for months on end, and then Hickman left and the whole thing slowly petered out. Each phase has felt like it has been worse than the previous, and aside from like 2-3 books everything is mediocre or worse, and largely has been spinning wheels for the past year. Tons of dropped plot points, not to mention the complete tonal shift from early Krakoa which was morally ambiguous and seemed headed for at least a partial comeuppance to a Yay Ethnostate Good! It was just like three guys and we got rid of them!
Hickman left because they wanted to drag out Krakoa beyond his original idea of a roughly 2 year phase 1. And then they just... kill it a year later anyway, no phase three or anything, just on to the next thing? Two years of Duggan Mid-Men is not worth at least not seeing what Hickman had planned. Yeah he sucks at endings but even a Hickman ending would have been more cohesive than this bland, talentless, heartless, by the numbers Mutants Are In Trouble arc. Krakoa was a wash, I want to see what happens next. Been reading for nearly two and a half decades, shit comes and goes.
the ending was supposed to be Storm/BP's son pawning Children of the Vault and Phalanx
I wish we got more criticism about that from more than just the boondocks.
> tons of changes behind the scenes
> ending was supposed to be
this is, by far, the most annoying attempts of criticizing the krakoa era. Why are you invoking speculation and hypotheticals instead of actually addressing what's real and in print? I have never seen any other big comics run get this treatment on here, nobody waxed poetic about Slott's ASM and how it was "secretly going to get this different ending where Spock becomes the new Green Goblin" or say King's Batman was originally not going to end in bizarre psychoanalysis.
Kind of. My major issues with Karkoa were that it felt so far removed from what X-Men was about as well as being sort of hard to follow after the initial relaunch of everything. If can get a decent back to basics like what Wheadon did then maybe it can be good. Hickman had decent ideas editorial just sort of fricked him over.
>Hickman had decent ideas editorial just sort of fricked him over.
>what if evil robots in space never heard of before were the real enemy
yawn
Is this a upcoming event and are they going to bring the school back?
No, but people will buy it anyway cause its X-men.
So do we have an exact list of all the X-Men that are still alive atm besides who we've seen so far or is that all there is? It's been sort of hard to follow.
literally everyone minus the ones killed by nimrod at the gala
And we already know that they're all coming back in the series that is unironically called "Dead X-Men".
Can they bring back maddox and rock slide while they're at it.
They can always build another cloning machine so death is still irrelevant.
Even the leaks that I assume are fake sound boring as shit
I'll read the Jubilee book but only if she's a prominent member and not just a tag on like she's been in the last five years of appearances
I'm curious to see if they'll fix anything about modern X-Men or if it'll be the same garbage it has been for the past 20 years
Brevoort's been a Marvel editor for more than 30 years, in the Spider-Man then Avengers offices for most of that time, and was one of the guys behind Marvel's policy of doing things to intentionally make fans angry because it would be good for sales. And in the interviews and statements about his move to X-Men editorial, for the first time he actually sounds like he's scared of making the fans angry. Things probably won't change too much from how they've been for the past 20 years because that's what the fans he'll be interacting with on Twitter and CBR actually WANT.
>Why are you invoking speculation and hypotheticals instead of actually addressing what's real and in print?
Not the same anon, but "the writer I liked left and someone else took over the book and did something different, it's not what the ending was supposed to be" gets used as grounds to complain about big 2 books all the time. X-Men fandom have been doing it since the first time Claremont left Marvel.
If there's sex scenes. Wait never mind, could be monkey paw