"Yea let's take a good Batman story and shit all over it by adding a pointless girl power story and a dash of the director's weird tumblr ship. Thus changing the context of the whole story.
Also let's force the author to say he likes this take on the Killing Joke better than his own. Sound good?"
-WB and Paul Dini presumably
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>zoomers whining about how girls are naturally attracted to older mature men with their shit together: General # 4,215
>moron being a disingenuous rat
Just get your shit together and you'll get a girlfriend one day, bro
You never will, though.
Yeah, I never understood this tantrum either, it's in character.
>Yeah, I never understood this tantrum either, it's in character.
You've never read The Killing Joke and are a contrarian.
You said that the previous thread too
Just get your shit together and you'll get a girlfriend one day, bro
Wrong on both accounts.
What page was the Batbabs sex scene in TKJ?
It wasn't, but it's easy to see Barbara doing this and Bruce failing to stop. This is a self-inserter thing, right?
Frick that. The only time i've seen Bruce get paired with Barbara is in Bruce Timm's head canons. Every other adaptation he's a father figure and a friend to her. The more kino choice is for Batman to fall in love with a criminal like Talia or Catwoman.
Why not both? Bruce is a mess.
It shows what a flawed person he is.
>yes i do beat up the mentally ill
>yes i do turn little boys into weapons and gradually turn them against me
>yea I am a schizo who thinks all my friends will turn against earth and have plans to systematically take them down
>yes despite dedicating my life to fight crime I'm in love with a thief AND an assassin (by the way parents died in a failed robbery turned double homicide)
Instead of doing something interesting with Batman we get more shitty sidekicks though.
Batman has never been interesting because nobody wants to tackle the fact that his war on crime has been a failure
I don't remember any specific stories off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure I've read that take in a few stories, normally with one of two reasons. One is that it's an impossible task from the start and he only does it either due to mental illness/coping mechanism/wanting to at least try to save some people, or he actively made the situation worse by escalating things and effectively causing the rise of supervillains in Gotham. Pretty sure the second reason came up in BTAS episode.
People unironically say this shit as though the police were doing a better job until batman showed up.
Homicides exploded with the Joker (thanks Batman)
Joker was murdering people before hack Moore decided that Batman had to be responsible for creating Joker and DC decided to go with it.
I'm a casual but I think Miller made Bruce blame himself for Joker before Moore did
The difference is feeling responsible for not dealing with him permanently, and the other having an actual hand in creating him. And TDKR wasn't supposed to be canon anyway.
>because nobody wants to tackle the fact that his war on crime has been a failure
Black person what? Practically every other batman story has been a deconstruction of this very thing since fricking knightfall. Hell the current gotham war trash heap hinges on this. If you want an even more explicit "this is literally the central plot" then just up white knight you fricking casual.
I hate the ship too, but it's shown up elsewhere.
Thrillkiller
Zero Hour
The Lego Batman Movie
>Thrillkiller
Makes sense, it's supposed to be trashy. It's like if the Thrill Kill Kult wrote a Batman comic.
That's three one off's, my man. Thanks.
>It wasn't
Thanks that's all I needed to know
>but it's easy to see Barbara doing this and Bruce failing to stop.
Only in the Timmverse cartoon because the excuse Timm used for TKJ is the same reasoning used for Bruce becoming a bitter old man in the DCAU.
>This is a self-inserter thing, right?
This is a Timm production.
you were debunked last thread
why do you keep doing this to yourself?
>you were debunked last thread
What the hell are you talking about ?
Is there an universe where Bruce shouldn't end a bitter old man?
The Dark Knight Returns
Earth 2
>let's take a good Batman story
Killing Joke isn't good.
You're right, it's great.
thanks Cinemaphilentrarian conformist. You fit in now.
The Killing Joke isn't a good story but I'm glad it blew up in Timm's face.
>You said that the previous thread too
Oh no, he's a schizo.
Don't try to appeal to an imaginary crowd, bro
Just get your shit together and you'll get a girlfriend one day, bro
What if i told you i have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you're the real schizo? If you don't believe me. seek help. and take a break from here
>good Batman story
what batman story do YOU like then?
Killing Joke is a great story and it defined most deeper things people love about Joker as a character in other media. People who just hate Joker for petty reasons liking taking attention away from others diminish it to be contrarian. Moore never hated the story for its quality but for the effect it had on comics for normalising darkness instead of just being an exception to the rule, and now every comic story is serious and not made for kids anymore. Like Oppenheimer hating his bomb, he didn't hate it because it was a bad bomb or didn't do the job well.
Like I'm sure these same people worship BTAS, yet even Paul Dini sees that as the most potent characterisation for Joker. Someone who exists to be nihilistic and cruel in contrast to Batman's ideal of hope, an indulgence of hating everyone and seeing yourself as a victim of life. It's a great aspect of his character and a gigantic part of his appeal, even if some people wanna deny that.
I liked that this story put it a little on the nose that when Dini started relating more to Joker he just became lazier and more depressed and refused to do anything
Knightfall is both more iconic and generally better in all aspects. And it doesn't rely on Jokergayging.
>icononic
>having to jump from Detc to Batman to Gotham Knight to Robin to Azrael in order to get the full story
>meanwhile the chad Killing Joke is one story
Try again.
>Not reading the organized collected editions
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP IT, THAT'S A FULLY GROWN WOMAN, THINK OF POOR OLD DICK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lel
>THINK OF POOR OLD DICK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lel this is what it all boils down to
There are certain things a superhero should never do and his best friend’s daughter is one of them
People calling Gordon Bruce's best friend is so weird to me. He lies to him. Yeah they get a coffee once a year and work together, but best friends?
Bruce respects the hell out of Gordon tho which is is why this ship doesn't make sense.
Over the Edge says it all already, by just working with her as Batgirl he's already betraying Jim's trust.
Ultimate violation of the Bro Code.
I disagree, as a fire emblem fan fricking your friends time traveling offspring is the ultimate expression of brotherhood.
>I disagree, as a fire emblem fan fricking your friends time traveling offspring is the ultimate expression of brotherhood.
Of course an Awakeninggays would be cool with self inserting ruining the story, homies like you make me SICK.
I say no more
Wanna say that again? Pussy?
Yea let's take a good Batman story and shit all over it by adding a pointless mob power story and a dash of the author's weird tumblr ship. Thus changing the context of the whole story.
Also let's force the author to say he likes this take on the red hood better than his own. Sound good?
-Alan Moore and Kevin Smith definetly.
you probably never read it but lemme tell you that original issue was trash in a hot trashbag
Moore hated it and he's right; it is edgelord trash. It's Death in the Family-tier but has nice art and a prominent writer so it skewers perceptions.
"The Man Behind the Red Hood" is not a very good story, especially when compared to The Killing Joke.
>weird tumblr ship
Which?
TDKR did it first.
I want to know what amazing comics you're reading that make you say things like this. I want in.
>I want to know what amazing comics you're reading that make you say things like this. I want in.
Justice League International
No, I'm serious.
I am too, dumb homosexual.
Why does he love cuckoldry so much? He did it not once, not twice, thrice but four times in his productions.
He's an old man. He insists on pushing the fetish he picked up from the Adam West show, even though it makes no sense in the comics.
I get it. Look at all the autists spamming Dick/Starfire shit because of the Murakami cartoon.
>even though it makes no sense in the comics.
This isn't the comics and Dick and Babs didn't even become an official thing until after his show.
Two students of the same martial arts master with comparable ages getting together is way more palatable than the martial arts master getting together with his student ten to fifteen years his junior.
>Two students of the same martial arts master
Look I know Cinemaphile is full of zoomers who only watched The Batman but Batman was never Babs' teacher, in either the mainstream comics or the DCAU
They were getting shipped in the 70s. The will-they-won't-they ran through all their early crossovers and their Batman Family title.
>I get it. Look at all the autists spamming Dick/Starfire shit because of the Murakami cartoon.
Bruce Timm has done more bad for DC Comics than good, and that shitty cartoon prolonging the New Teen Titans by another twenty years is proof of that.
>dash of the director's weird tumblr ship.
It made me uncomfortable when it happened in the DCAU and so still don’t like it.
Hot take. Barb only gets with Grayson because she has no one else
>blue beetle
oh maybe she can scoop his brains of the ground and make love to it
He's been alive(and she's been walking) for years now
that sounds like some horrible nightmare. they stopped making new batman books after 2016
She's been walking again since 2011, though, and he's been implicitly alive since then too, confirmed by 2014. Where the frick where you when Babs was Batgirl in all those batbooks from 2011 onward?
why they remove the picture with Batmite?
Because Betty is best girl and would overshadow everyone.
that's more meaningful lore building than a story about Barbara fricking a librarian and then fricking Batman before going home to get shot by Joker
It legitimately is. Kj is a meta story about how Bat and Jokes went from happy adventurers to depressed and spiritless.
You just know whoever was behind the movie was malding that Barbara was just a sidecharacter to get fridged and decided to make it about her. It is not her fricking story, it is Batman and Joker’s.
>You just know whoever was behind the movie was malding that Barbara was just a sidecharacter to get fridged and decided to make it about her
Timm wanted to material to wank over and Azz was happy to provide it for him
It was Bruce Timm. He’s the one obsessed with Bruce/Babs
That's right. Paul Dini created and ruined Harley Quinn
Bruce Timm wants Batman to frick his friend's daughter
>a pointless girl power story
Did we watch the same movie? They basically turned Barbara's shooting in a karma for being a reckless psycho.
>dick self-inserters
>a pointless girl power story
Anon she fricked Batman and got crippled. This is not a girl power story. Politics has melted your small brain.
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The Timmverse's takes on female characters have always been dogshit. Babs, Hawkgirl, Wonder Woman was the worst.
I hate how he missed a lot of the lore of Wonder Woman. And basically made her some naive mommy's girl who went to man's world and came back as a bawd. She and Supergirl basically have the same personality unless Wonder Woman is in front of another woman so she can appear wise and learned.
I will say it is cute for Wonder Woman and everyone from Paradise Island to have a crush on Batman. Wayyyy better than her falling in love with Superman. But that's at the expense of Steve Trevor.
You're a disgusting frogBlack person, but you are right. Some of the worst DCAU episodes also all focus on these characters. Also you should've mentioned the abysmal Selina.
>yea let’s take a good Batman story
>good
Thought it did good job of adapting it. It was shit, like the book.
phoneposters like you are not granted the right to an opinion.
Seethe more gay lol
>”yo-you post on a phone!”
Nice argument there.
I'm sure you think you are very cool for the buzzwords, but I can assure you that as an itoddler you very much are not
>uses "phone poster" as an argument
>bitching about "buzzwords"
You're right. Someone's opinion should be discarded and it is you.
>I want to know what amazing comics you’re reading
Stuff that isn’t killing joke
Did you enjoy that little trip around the question?
1. Paul (Kino) Dini isn't involved in the DCEU movies
2. Alan Moore both hates when his stories are hyped and is super feminist so of course he would say that
look at that smile on her
She deserves rape
tumblr ship
>which
>he is unaware
Ah, the cringe OC not-Joker.
People focus too much on a sex scene and not enough on how cringe this guy was.
Ok but now I want Dick to frick Selena as a trade
>this greek prostitute is too overbearing, I'll do Barbara instead
The funniest thing is Fredrick Wertham thought Batman was promoting pedophilia and homosexuality. He thought Batman was fricking his sidekick. What he didn't know was that he was fricking a sidekick but it was someone younge enough to be his daughter
So the only reason the Timmverse was good was because of executives holding his hand?
>So the only reason the Timmverse was good was because of executives holding his hand?
Yeah. The Killing Joke for example was done under his production and yet allowed it to go to shit under his watch. Same with Batman Beyond and Epilogue. He was one of many writers but had been there since the beginning and let it go to shit under his watch.