Yeah the three smartest men on the planet are clearly wrong and the emotional guy from the 40s is in the right
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Yeah the three smartest men on the planet are clearly wrong and the emotional guy from the 40s is in the right
They were literally throwing innocent people in prison without trial.
>innocent
dindu nuthin
you can be held in prison while waiting for your trial, as they were being for attempted treason against the government
Not only that, they threw them into the INSANITY INDUCING HELL DIMENSION
if they had just sent all the villains on earth to their Negative Zone prison instead of only the heroes their plan would've been flawless.
What, even Shocker?
Yes all of them. A totalitarian superhero policy is great but it’s useless if not couples with a totalitarian villain policy. Full security should be enforced for all supers.
Heck the only valid initial point the rebellion had was that secret identities kept their families safe from villains. Fricking detain all of the villains with no mercy then. That’s the advantage of giving Reed and Tony absolute power, now they’re in charge of locking up villains and not some flimsy New York concrete jail.
New villains can always appear and do damage to the families before Stark and others can deal with them.
I remember reading one time that Millar originally pitched Civil War for the Ultimate Universe. Idk if it's true but it could be an explination of why everyone acts so out of character.
Nah he pitched it as an X-Event
The concept was later reused for Schism
Unemotional logic like this shitfest only works if you're talking about machines or other beings who don't possess emotions. Humans are not part of that category. Stark and co were fricking moronic, Steve was right.
Wasn't Tony the one who orchestrated the event by manufacturing the x-drug that Nitro got to begin with? So everything from the death of those kids, Foster, and Steve were all his fault
Not really, Nitro's powers were off scale by then thanks to MGH being trafficked to him.
and MGH was one of Mystique and Irene Adler's creations alongside Sinister, because frick them.
riddle me this, OP. if they're so smart, why do they dress like goofy doofuses?
Something about that art style rubs me the wrong way. It's very uncanny. Like the lighting and shading is too realistic for the simpler character design.
Considering what actually ended up happening, you're unironically correct.
Making a clone of Thor really isn't that bad an idea. Why Marvel decided to treat it like a bridge too far by Tony, I'll never understand.
In a world where dead people come back to life all the time, just straight up replacing them with something you make yourself isn't a good look on you. Not to mention Thor didn't consent to such a thing, let alone willingly provide the DNA samples used to make Ragnarok. On top of that, what Ragnarok actually ended up doing is both a bad publicity for Thor and proof that making Ragnarok was a horrible idea to begin with, let alone the fact he wasn't made because they missed Thor, but because they needed more muscle on the Pro-Registration side.
Plus bear in mind they weren't open about the clone thing at first, they tried to pass him off as the real deal.
And people asks why Worldbreaker Hulk, Devil Hulk and Banner were right in wrecking all of Marvel at that time.
It's a pretty serious human rights violation, though I guess it's no worse than anything else Tony did during Civil War.
>your "friends" make a clone of you in your absence is that noticeably off-kilter
>your clone is used to beat up other heroes
>your clone is used to forcibly shove them into superjail
>your clone also murders someone in full view of the public
They basically raped Thor's image and used his likeness to shit on his friends, all because they needed a powerhouse and needed some kind of publicity boost by having Thor on their side. Thor humbling Tony was the least he could have done.
Autists should at least attempt to have human empathy before typing shit like this
This whole conflict started over a woman crying over her dead kid. That's pretty emotional if you ask me. If I were you I'd reconsider must stance, I dunno if I'd want my epic rationalist self to be associated with something so pathetic and em*tional.
>One has Autism and has his ego caused his best friend to turn into a rock monster
>One is an ex drunk who let his designs get stolen to create supervillians
>One created Ultron
funny you try to make Hank as a rational intelligent one as if he isn't the most emotional one out of everyone
they were wrong. a classic example of putting the cart in front of the horse and the ends justify the means.
Like the french revolution where you had people who clearly had noble goals use such monstrous methods, everyone turned against them
>we need money to support our ideas
>lets confiscate all the wealth even from our supporters
>lets kill and make examples of those that resist
>lets kill those that speak out too
>why those everyone hate us?
so like the HAMAS
yes like Hamas. What you think thats a gotcha? You go too far people get scared.
>but their land was stolen
>israel did that to them as well, killing their kids
Yeah and thats terrible and the world community is gutless.
no I just wanted to derail the thread and attract /misc/ lol
incorrect. Hamas was created by Israel to counter the PLO that had leftist tendencies.
also Israel is a colonial satellite state for the crown. read the first Balfour Declaration, read winston churchill's propagana article "zionism vs bolshevism" which was to manufacture consent for creating israel for the rothschilds to control the suez canal for the ruling class
Op is neatly forgetting how these three geniuses packed a hellish interdimensional prision that drove people to madness and suicide full of everyone that wouldn't bend the knee, knowing that a lot of them would go crazy or die. Including people who were willing to just retire and stop using their powers. It was accept lifelong indentured servitude or go to hell, forever.
It took intense mental gymnastics by writers after the fact to keep them from being labeled as villains forever.
I mean yeah it was suppose to be Millar commenting on Gitmo
If you're not relatively smart you shouldn't be writing the smartest characters on Earth. And I don't mean genius level, I mean above average.
wouldn't cap have made more sense to be the goverment lapdog while stark is the free thinker?
>wouldn't cap have made more sense to be the goverment lapdog
you should try reading comics before commenting
The only people who think this are those whose only exposure to Cap are parodies of him. I'll shit on the MCU for a bunch of reasons, but I'm glad that Evans's version of the character made it clear to the mainstream that Cap doesn't slurp government wiener.
But we need a Cap that does, a living property of the government with superpowers.
you have USAgent for that
John Walker is exactly that.
Cap follows the American Dream - freedom, equality, self determination, all that jazz. Anything that doesn't follow that ain't American to him.
I still love how Hickman, trying to establish Reed as the smartest character there is (after Valeria), just went and explicitly said that if Reed had tried to do the Registration act on his own it would have worked.
News to me, what would Reed have dine differently?
It's in Dark Reign: Fantastic Four #2, in which Reed analyzes all other multiversal possible outcomes of a superhero civil war. After analyzing all successful scenarios he realizes all of them have the one constant: he acted alone. It's a fun read, so I do recommend it.
Reed's SuperHero Act is the same that made DC heroes respected by the general public.
The issue is that DC is now killing that to copy marvel as "heroes are le bad"
>DC is now killing that to copy marvel as "heroes are le bad"
is it though a lot of it seems to come from Amanda Waller trying to play public opinion against Heroes
Not really, fricking Knight Terrors made everyone scared shitless of super powered people by fricking nightmare on elm street gimmick, even the amazons.
yeah and Waller recruited Doctor Hate and is using it for her advantage. so the message is still kinda the same of "bad guy is playing Civilians against heroes" and not really trying to push the message of "heroes are le bad"
Though Civil War was BS and poorly written pretty much everything shoehorned into the big brain team is always moronic garbage. Which is why it was amazing when they mind wiped Cap off the Illuminati.
>King of most advanced country in the world and hyper smart
>Engineer Supreme cosmic level brain with more money than Elon
>Smartest man in the universe
>King of majority of the planet
>Super smart guy and basically king of the mutants
>Sorcerer Supreme
>...
>Patriot idealist with an art degree
>butthole with too much power 1
>butthole with too much power 2
>butthole with too much power 3
>butthole with too much power 4
>butthole with too much power 5
>butthole with too much power 6
If you wanted Captain America to act like the rest of the Illuminati, you'd end up with Captain Hydra.
Tbf Cap was generally thought of the ideal strategist and voice of reason for most teams he was on. If there was an impass on what course of action to take, it was Steve they turned to. When their plan didn't work and Steve didn't want to murder entire Earths, that's when the Illumanati knew he'd just hinder their plans. Following that they replaced him with Beast just cause Xavier was dead and they wanted a mutie rep (and he certainly didn't bring anything intelligence wise to the table). If anything they could have brought Scott Summers for leadership while also having a "do what needs to be done" attitude
Steve was only in the right because the Registration side went full fricking moron. The Negative Zone prison, using goddamn supervillains as agents, forcing anyone with powers into military service, etc.
And Stark's idea was literally taken off Lex Luthor's book when he almost became President Luthor
Tony Start mindwiped himself so he could claim it wasn't his fault and writers literally had Future Reed show up to assure his younger self that his shit didn't stink. I think it's pretty clear that they were in the wrong and even the writers knew it.
It COULD have been written so there was some nuance, but they went straight to "Kicking down doors and threatening the families of those who don't comply, even if the people they are after just want to retire and live quietly."
The problem wasn't who was wrong, the problem was that someone was wrong in the first place. Heroes fighting heroes and getting so dirty shouldn't have happened, Stark still hasn't recovered from it as a character. It was a shit idea.