>year of our lord 2023
>this pathetic loser is still Robin
Basically the useless NEET of the Bat family. At this rate he’s going to be Damian’s sidekick when he becomes Batman.
>year of our lord 2023. >this pathetic loser is still Robin
>year of our lord 2023
>this pathetic loser is still Robin
Basically the useless NEET of the Bat family. At this rate he’s going to be Damian’s sidekick when he becomes Batman.
2 Robins at the same time? i would never read this.
Why can there be multiple batgirls at the same time then?
i didn't say there should be that either. that's stupid too.
He was at his best when he was Red Robin. It was short lived but the name is different and you can tweak the Midnite wannabe costume if you want. And pair him up with Conner for fricks sake.
>the name is different
Red Robin is a shit name, although you are right about him being when he was Red Robin. Are there any Cinemaphile ideas for what would be a better name?
I know there's one guy around here who really digs the name Cardinal. Some other guys throw Arkham Knight around. Honestly though, picking a good name is hard.
>Cardinal
Reasoning?
It's a red bird.
It's a bird that also invokes gothic religious imagery
>Cardinal
Actually not bad
Bird motit
Cardinal seems like such an obvious name to give Tim's alter ego.
Only problem is the religious association. It’ll never happen but it would be funny if the way they decided to roll back the bisexual retcon is by having Tim convert to Catholicism. Team up with Azrael or something.
He could do a Court of Owls takeover and just use the Owlman mantle.
Or he could go entirely street and call himself Thrasher since that's also a bird.
Or lean into being gay even more and call himself the Red Starling.
Red Robin is a fine name, stop being american and going "burgers lol".
The Japanese fricking loved Red Robin Tim Drake and did a ton of awesome fanart of RR era Tim.
>stop being american and going "burgers lol"
or its just kind of a shit name? Robin isn't a very good name on its own (plus next to nobody realizes its a Robin Hood reference these days) and just adding a color in front of it doesn't make it better, alliteration or no. Want audiences to take Tim seriously? Give him a unique identity.
They tried "drake" but Twitter users got angry over Francis Drake being a slaver and demanded a name change.
lmao what? No, everyone just called it shit because it was a shit identity
>literally just Tim's last name
>he got from his Earth-3 version
>the costume was actual shit
No one liked it.
While I find it sad that a noted privateer of historical importance is just remembered as a "slaver" now, using your own last name as your superhero identity is just dumb.
We just made fun of him for being a duck.
Drake is moronic for the simple fact that it’s his real name. good luck keeping that secret identity!
>Good luck keeping that secret identity!
honestly...maybe that would be a good angle. Just abandoning civilian life to be a hero 24/7. Where in the drama is that it's what he never wanted originally.
His dad's dead, all her best friends are superheroes, he's not quite Bruce's son, maybe the job is what he lives for now.
The Swallow since he's gay now.
Drake was actually a good alt code name but leave it to Bendis to frick it all up.
If Red Robin as a book existed long enough, it would have been the new normal except Didio blew it up for New 52 and to disrupt everything for a short bump in sales.
And then he gave all the YJ kids to Lobdell to ruin. What a short sighted idiot. He fricked DC for like 20 years.
Was it really all that short lived? He seemed to have carried on the Red Robin name into the New 52 and only seemed to stop using it when Bendis tried to rebrand him Drake iirc
New 52 Red Robin didn't feel like Red robin, even if he was more...Robiny with the wings and all. The mask look really made it feel less like a development and more like an action figure variant.
And then in rebirth he's just wearing a bland version of his 90's look
>And pair him up with Conner for fricks sake.
pair him up with the guy who was never mentioned in his solo even once
Better it be Connor than someone who only briefly appeared in only six issues from two decades ago.
Neither is good but honestly frick TimKon It depends on making them the empty homonculus that Johns made them in Teen Titans. Tim and Kon were always best as testy rivals(and frankly if you do ship them, the dynamic is better tense like that than uwu cloneboy shit)
damian was a mistake
The real mistake was probably bringing back Jason, with de-crippling Babs being the nail in the coffin. Leaves all those 90s/00s Batkids like Tim/Steph/Cass who were formed by Gotham having consequences really adrift.
This! Can't believe they didn't re-kill Jason immediately after that arc
He's so cute
Brown bussy
that troony Morrison ruined Batman comics
everything he did should be destroyed and removed from canon
Why can't Tim be something like Hawk or Owl? Maybe become an enemy to the Batman goin by convention of natural predators.
>Hawk
Hawk is already a hero, he teams up with Dove.
>Owl
Owls in Batman are usually seen as evil.
>Owls in Batman are usually seen as evil.
It's true but, reading that made me crack a smile for how ludicrous it all is.
Isn't Hawk dead? Or was that retconned?
He probably died at some point, but he isn't dead right now, not sure what you're talking about now.
Why would he become evil? you people pitch the most random bullshit, no wonder you love Johns crap.
Uh dude. I think that anon meant he should pick a hero name off of one of their predators. Not literally become a Batman villain.
he said
> Maybe become an enemy to the Batman goin by convention of natural predators.
which sounds like turn evil.
Tim should just become legit and work alongside Gordon eventually becoming head of the GCPD
Can't. They're busy shilling Montoya as Jim's successor.
Gordon isn't even commissioner right now, he and Bullock are private detectives now iirc
Anon, he's not JUST Robin, he's Tim Drake: Robin™.
Dying robins are so old by now. Let him retire peacefully.
frick off edgelord, that's your answer to everything
Tim joining them as a PI would actually be interesting.
>He tap all that pussy while comfortably enjoying his live in the bat cave.
Dare I say based?
Don't you mean Bernard's bussy?
They nerfed the happiest robin.
>happiest
Tim Drake is the saddest person I've ever met.
Classic tim was honest-to-god probably more of a ball of stress and responsibility than classic Peter Parker. The kid had a near monk-like devotion to refusing himself to have fun which is why he worked so well off Steph
Tim doesn't get any pussy nor live in the Batcave anymore, he lives in the gay neighborhood of Gotham with his bf
Do you guys think DC will announce anything regarding Tim at SDCC?
I expect something announced for Jason, he's getting a mini for Gotham War, which probably mean they'll be setting him up with a new status quo, and that usually means a new series is on the way.
Just like me fr.
damian really needs a better suit
Looks good tho
Tim should honestly retire. And I don't mean that they should "retire" him on a send him back to his home planet type of way. I mean that he should stop being a superhero and transition into a civilian member of the bat-family.
Look, the way I see it, Tim had two ways to go after Robin. One way, was to double down on the "Robiness" of his character. He decided on his own to become Robin, and he never aspired to be anything more than that: enter Red Robin. Red Robin as identity sucks, but it at least has some logic behind it. The boy who wanted to be Robin is - as he is a grown man now - just an upgraded Robin.But obviously that didn't work, so what next?
Cardinal or Grey Ghost or Redbird or any other bird-themed name are shit and they have no meaning to Tim as a character; not in the way that Nightwing does for Dick, or Red Hood has for Jason. So what to do? Well, there is another way to go with Tim in a post-Robin world. If Red Robin as an identity is doubling down on the superhero aspects of Tim, then the opposite would be to give it up the hero stuff entirely and retire. Now, while the sounds kind of strange, it does have some logic behind it.
Initially, while Tim became Robin of his own volition, he did intend it to be somewhat temporary. Out of universe, this also how DC editorial viewed Tim and Robin; as a sort of part-time job for Tim to help out Bruce. Additionally, Tim only became Robin because of Batman's loneliness, and the self-harm that isolation caused. Well, good news, because the bat-family has more allies than ever before.
Tim has essentially achieved all he set out to do as Robin... so why have him drag out the superhero stuff any longer? I say he retires and becomes a private eye in Gotham. He can set up shop with Gordon, Bullock, Bard, and whoever else. Give him Detective and tell some pulpy, noir stories. Rebuild his supporting cast, fridge Bernard, give him a job and responsibility.
Anyway, end blogpost.
There was nothing wrong with Red Robin as a name or costume, it originated elsewhere like everything to do with being a legacy Robin, Kingdom Come in this case so people don't want that Alex Ross quality?
The three 90's Batkids are basically stuck rudderless and it's fricking depressing. Cass has some hope since she has fans in high places but Tim and Steph are just gonna float in the abyss.
It's a damn shame because all three of them are conceptually character types that have been successfully marketed, these characters predate ones like X-23 but were left to rot for years
Honestly, I'm wondering about Damian in the future. He's had one character story repeated ad nauseam for almost 20 years now, most writers seem to not want Talia as a straight villain, nor do they want any moral conflict on the part of Damian, so what does he have? Being a jackass? His dad being someone important?
>He's had one character story repeated ad nauseam for almost 20 years now
>Isn't repeated in R:SOB, Supersons, BvsR or even the newest Robin series.
Unless he gets stuck in TT so editorial can make him the new big bad I think he'll be fine.
That sure was something that happened, huh?
>worlds greatest detective somehow misses his son playing teen suicide squad with a bunch of oc's
being grr violent kid Robin. Yeah it's static, but people like that.
He should go back to being the cute one.
He's the baby of the family, he's always cute.
He's growing up so fast he gets mistaken for Tim sometimes.
He's now as old as Tim and Dick were when they started being Robin. If he's supposed to be the angry kid Robin they're doing their damnedest to kill it. Considering that artists still drawn him as exceptionally short I think they should just make him the manlet Robin.
In all seriousness I think you could spin a really good character story out of someone as egotistical as Damian coming to terms with not being the physical ubermensch like the rest of his compatriots.
The upcoming Batman and Robin series makes him look like Tim usually looks which makes me feel they just want to make him in a generic Robin mold.
>He's had one character story repeated ad nauseam for almost 20 years now
You just described every DC characters.
>makes him look like Tim
It's just the artist having a one face syndrom. Pic related is Jason.
Steph and Cass should join Young Justice
Tim should be the Robin with a team, the Team Robin
>Tim has no job or college
>Steph has no job or college
>Cass no job or college
they're gonna be NEETs
>Gotham University comic with these 3 trying to get degrees and sharing a dorm
Wait I think I read this greentext already.
Marcus is still drawing RR in 2023.
It's not a bad costume. They should go back to it
If I had unlimited funds I'd just pay Marcus To to draw a continuation of 2011 Red robin that also incorporated Steph, Cass, and the YJ crew,
Bless commissioners for keeping the RR era alive
>Keeps drawing timkon
Into the trash it goes
Well he gets paid for it. He said on a podcast he doesn't really think of fanon much and prefers canon but he appreciates that people like his stuff and commission him
I don't care. Tim being gay is partially his fault
Gay tim has been popular in the fandom for at least 10 years before To even started drawing red Robin.And IC and Johns did way more to make him seem gay than anything in Red Robin.
Hey, if it brings money. Does he even get work from DC anymore? Last I remember was that one Jason story.
He did a Cass story in the Asia nAmerican celebration. thats about it as of late, shame too because the guy loves these characters and draws fast; he did over a year of Red Robin with no fill-ins which you almost never see these days
>Cass story in the Asia nAmerican celebration
Oh, I have to hunt that down.
It's a cute story and since it was made after they fired Didio she gets to be Batgirl in it.
would be a fun direction, would even work as a meta commentary with Batman putting his foot down and saying they've become aimless and all need to grow up and go to college to find some direction and goal in their lives.
Is Damian older now? Sure doesn't look 14 here
He's canonically 14, he was 13 in his TT run, and 14 in his Robin run.
I always liked the idea that Tim could use his smarts and cunning to undermine the Court of Owls and take their resources, taking a Talon/Owl title since it strikes fear into the hearts of the underground criminals. The average mook might not know what they are, but Tim could be a globe trotting detective taking down the elite/high conspiratorial type groups. It'd let DC do what they want with their big secret organizations and give Tim some relevance on his own outside the bat family.
I don't give a frick about tim
fer sure
Any oldgays like Tim from his Dixon run days and his time founding Young Justice?
I read the run in the 2000's as a teenager and it's my favorite, up through the Jon Lewis run which I also liked. Tim goes downhill when Teen Titans 2003 starts. The Willingham run feels really out of character and ends up just boring, Beechen might've meant well but had to push editorial shit, Nicieza was trash. Dixon's brief return went by too fast and barely felt like a run because most of it was just setup, though the Spoiler special story had a lot of promise on reflecting on all the changes with Tim since Dixon's first run that was unfortunately squandered. Red Robin was mostly solid and lemonade from the lemons Tim was by then, even Nicieza's run was ok on it.
Everything wrong with Tim drake would be fixed overnight simply by making Damian Batboy.
>Damian becomes Batboy
>Steph is Robin
Timbros...
>Damian thinking he's boss
>When in actuality Steph is babysitting a fricking 14 year old.
I miss when Damian and Steph would interact, I miss it when Damian calls her fat, and implying that Steph is flat chested girl.
Miss their bantz.
That still works out in Tim's favour, branding wise fem-Robin and Robin proper can coexist no problem all you have to do now is make Babs Batwoman and it can all falls into place.
Tim Drake should change his name to Chickadee
The wiener.
He should have just followed Ra's al Ghul's advice and simply became an actual detective, then he could do fun shit with Question or the Gotham PD
Tim should be Batty Boy.
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