I didn't understand why a pilot would become an admiral, that seems like a more logical progression for a (boat) naval officer, with something like being a wing commander or something to do with aircraft being the next staff officer step for an aviator
The more you rank up the more you're pushed into a managerial role, and then eventually you stop dealing with your job entirely and have to look at the big picture of the military as a whole.
hollywood isnt technically accurate when it comes to military structure? dam son
The current commander of USINDOPACOM is a Top Gun graduate lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Aquilino
>Main reason Goose died
That wouldn't be maverick that'd be Grumman for fricking up the first f14 so badly that it not only could enter a flat stall but kill the RIO with an ejection. Pete did nothing wrong.
Top Gun is a class that is also a competition because the top scoring attendant gets their name on a plaque, can return as an instructor, and the title of Top Gun (and a hat). At their graduation they announce a crisis in progress and they go and shoot some migs.
TG1 is basically a sports movie; they want to be "the best of the best" and it becomes clear that it's going to be between Iceman, the cool, methodical, by-the-numbers guy but who came from a privileged background (Naval Academy) and looks down on people he deems inferior (Cougar was a good man-still is a good man-yeah that's what I meant)
Maverick is more of the rough-and-tumble, wrong-side-of-the-tracks kid who had to claw his way to the top with hard work and unconventional tactics (hence "maverick") but who is undisciplined and doesn't respect the chain of command.
In the end the two men grow to respect and admire each other; Maverick learns the importance of being a team player after his impulsiveness kills his best friend, while Iceman learns the value of seeing things through a different lens
Friendly reminder that if you think army would kick Maverick-like guy then you are wrong: >The accident board stated that Holland's macho, daredevil personality significantly influenced the crash sequence. USAF personnel testified that Holland had developed a reputation as an aggressive pilot who often broke flight safety and other rules. The rule-breaking included flying below minimum clearance altitudes and exceeding bank-angle limitations and climb rates.[10] >An earlier incident occurred in 1991 when a B-52 piloted by Holland performed a circle above a softball game in which Holland's daughter was participating. Beginning at 2,500 feet (760 m) AGL, Holland's aircraft executed the circle at 65° of bank. In a maneuver described by one witness as a "death spiral", the nose of the aircraft continued to drop and the bank angle increased to 80°. After losing 1,000 feet (300 m) of altitude, Holland was able to regain control of the aircraft.[11] >On 19 May 1991, Holland was the command pilot of the B-52 demonstration flight at the Fairchild air show. During the demonstration, Holland's aircraft violated several safety regulations; he exceeded bank and pitch limits, flew directly over the air show spectators, and possibly violated altitude restrictions. The base and wing commander, Colonel Arne Weinman, along with his staff, observed the demonstration but apparently took no action.[6]
>On 12 July 1991, Holland commanded a B-52 for a "flyover" during a change-of-command ceremony for the 325th Bomb Squadron at Fairchild. During both the practice and the actual flyover, Holland's aircraft flew at altitudes below 100 feet (30 m)—well below the established minimum altitude—flew steeply banked turns in excess of 45°, exceeded pitch-angle limits, and executed a wingover. Although not specifically prohibited, the wingover was not recommended because it could damage the aircraft. After witnessing the flyover, Colonel Weinman and his deputy commander for operations (DO), Colonel Julich, orally reprimanded Holland, but took no formal action.[10] >At the Fairchild air show on 17 May 1992, Holland was again the command pilot of the B-52 aerial-demonstration flight. During the demonstration, Holland's aircraft again violated various safety regulations, including several low-altitude steep turns in excess of 45° of bank and a high-pitch-angle climb, estimated at over 60° nose high which Holland finished with a wingover maneuver. The new wing commander, Colonel Michael G. Ruotsala, apparently took no action. One week later, the new DO, Colonel Capotosti, on his own initiative warned Holland that if he violated any more safety regulations, Capotosti would ground him (remove him from flying status). Capotosti did not document his warning to Holland or take any other kind of formal action.[6] >At the Fairchild air show on 8 August 1993, Holland once again commanded the B-52 demonstration flight. As before, the demonstration profile included bank angles of greater than 45°, low-altitude passes, and another high pitch climbing maneuver, this time in excess of 80° nose high. The climb was so steep that fuel flowed out through the vent holes from the aircraft's wing tanks. The new wing commander, Brigadier General James M. Richards, and the new DO, Colonel William E. Pellerin, both witnessed the demonstration, but neither took any action.[13]
>On 14 and 15 April 1993, Holland was the mission commander of a two-aircraft training mission to a bombing range near Guam in the Pacific Ocean. During the mission, Holland flew his B-52 closer to the other B-52 than regulations allowed. Holland also asked his navigator to videotape the bombs falling from the aircraft from inside the bomb bay, also against regulations. Holland's navigator later brought the video to the attention of three Fairchild USAF officers. The first, Lieutenant Colonel Bullock, the current 325th Bomb Squadron commander, did nothing about it and may have even tried to use the videotape as leverage to coerce the navigator into accepting a position as mission scheduler for the wing. The second, the deputy operations group commander, Lieutenant Colonel Harper, told the crew member to conceal the evidence. The third, the DO, allegedly responded to reports of the video by stating, "Okay, I don't want to know anything about that video—I don't care."[12] >On 10 March 1994, Holland commanded a single-aircraft training mission to the Yakima Bombing Range, to provide an authorized photographer an opportunity to document the aircraft as it dropped training munitions. The minimum aircraft altitude permitted for that area was 500 feet (150 m) AGL; during the mission, Holland's aircraft was filmed crossing one ridgeline about 30 feet (10 m) above the ground. Fearing for their safety, the photography crew ceased filming and took cover as Holland's aircraft again passed low over the ground, this time estimated as clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m). The co-pilot on Holland's aircraft testified that he grabbed the controls to prevent Holland from flying the aircraft into the ridge while the aircraft's other two aircrew members repeatedly screamed at Holland: "Climb! Climb!" Holland responded by laughing and calling one of the crew members "a pussy".[2]
Did the Aviator glasses got famous after this movie? Do any anons know how or what was the general consensus of this movie back in 86' ? Did women flock the cinemas?
It wasn't just Top Gun but also the fact that other jet fighter movie came out around the same time - Iron Eagle. These both established pilots as super cool guys. Made men want to be like them and made kids want to have scale models of planes. Airfix and other companies increased scale model sales by over 500% after these few films.
YOU
YOU are dangerous
>"You can suck my wiener anytime"
>"No, you can suck my wiener anytime"
*clicks teeth aggressively*
>bites aggressively in your path
Why did he do that?
He won in the end too
He was a real dick about it so I'd say no. Even though he was right about Maverick. Guys too dangerous
>gets first in his top gun class
>forms a friendship with his greatest rival
>becomes admiral of the 5th fleet
he won
>*dies from throat cancer while maverick is still flying missions and banging milfs*
Ice won the movie, but Maverick won the story
>Ice won the movie, but Maverick won the story
Maverick is like that ten year specialist that every unit in the Army seems to have
I didn't understand why a pilot would become an admiral, that seems like a more logical progression for a (boat) naval officer, with something like being a wing commander or something to do with aircraft being the next staff officer step for an aviator
hollywood isnt technically accurate when it comes to military structure? dam son
Well he didn't jump straight to Admiral.
It's also not that inappropriate if they are in charge of a carrier group.
...and what rank should the commander of a NAVY air wing be?
The more you rank up the more you're pushed into a managerial role, and then eventually you stop dealing with your job entirely and have to look at the big picture of the military as a whole.
The current commander of USINDOPACOM is a Top Gun graduate lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Aquilino
>calls others dangerous
>is the main reason Goose died
I thought Goose got himself killed by ejecting too early, not waiting for the canopy to fully break away
Anon, that's not how it works.
>Main reason Goose died
That wouldn't be maverick that'd be Grumman for fricking up the first f14 so badly that it not only could enter a flat stall but kill the RIO with an ejection. Pete did nothing wrong.
He really was
"Pull out to my right, Ice"
>Pulls out left, creates jet wash, kills Goose.
what is the actual plot of the first movie? what are they fighting about?
Top Gun is a class that is also a competition because the top scoring attendant gets their name on a plaque, can return as an instructor, and the title of Top Gun (and a hat). At their graduation they announce a crisis in progress and they go and shoot some migs.
TG1 is basically a sports movie; they want to be "the best of the best" and it becomes clear that it's going to be between Iceman, the cool, methodical, by-the-numbers guy but who came from a privileged background (Naval Academy) and looks down on people he deems inferior (Cougar was a good man-still is a good man-yeah that's what I meant)
Maverick is more of the rough-and-tumble, wrong-side-of-the-tracks kid who had to claw his way to the top with hard work and unconventional tactics (hence "maverick") but who is undisciplined and doesn't respect the chain of command.
In the end the two men grow to respect and admire each other; Maverick learns the importance of being a team player after his impulsiveness kills his best friend, while Iceman learns the value of seeing things through a different lens
Goose’s death is iceman’s fault
>jesus christ i can get him from here
>ice, break off
>just ten more seconds
>now!
>dammit
>beep beep beep beep
I watched this movie today and it was dumb and cringe and stupid.
thats a pefect way to say perfection
He was. IRL maverick would have been grounded permanently after he buzzed the tower
I WANT SOME BUTTS
This was true in the original zoomer
Friendly reminder that if you think army would kick Maverick-like guy then you are wrong:
>The accident board stated that Holland's macho, daredevil personality significantly influenced the crash sequence. USAF personnel testified that Holland had developed a reputation as an aggressive pilot who often broke flight safety and other rules. The rule-breaking included flying below minimum clearance altitudes and exceeding bank-angle limitations and climb rates.[10]
>An earlier incident occurred in 1991 when a B-52 piloted by Holland performed a circle above a softball game in which Holland's daughter was participating. Beginning at 2,500 feet (760 m) AGL, Holland's aircraft executed the circle at 65° of bank. In a maneuver described by one witness as a "death spiral", the nose of the aircraft continued to drop and the bank angle increased to 80°. After losing 1,000 feet (300 m) of altitude, Holland was able to regain control of the aircraft.[11]
>On 19 May 1991, Holland was the command pilot of the B-52 demonstration flight at the Fairchild air show. During the demonstration, Holland's aircraft violated several safety regulations; he exceeded bank and pitch limits, flew directly over the air show spectators, and possibly violated altitude restrictions. The base and wing commander, Colonel Arne Weinman, along with his staff, observed the demonstration but apparently took no action.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash#Holland's_previous_behavior_and_USAF_leaders'_reactions
>On 12 July 1991, Holland commanded a B-52 for a "flyover" during a change-of-command ceremony for the 325th Bomb Squadron at Fairchild. During both the practice and the actual flyover, Holland's aircraft flew at altitudes below 100 feet (30 m)—well below the established minimum altitude—flew steeply banked turns in excess of 45°, exceeded pitch-angle limits, and executed a wingover. Although not specifically prohibited, the wingover was not recommended because it could damage the aircraft. After witnessing the flyover, Colonel Weinman and his deputy commander for operations (DO), Colonel Julich, orally reprimanded Holland, but took no formal action.[10]
>At the Fairchild air show on 17 May 1992, Holland was again the command pilot of the B-52 aerial-demonstration flight. During the demonstration, Holland's aircraft again violated various safety regulations, including several low-altitude steep turns in excess of 45° of bank and a high-pitch-angle climb, estimated at over 60° nose high which Holland finished with a wingover maneuver. The new wing commander, Colonel Michael G. Ruotsala, apparently took no action. One week later, the new DO, Colonel Capotosti, on his own initiative warned Holland that if he violated any more safety regulations, Capotosti would ground him (remove him from flying status). Capotosti did not document his warning to Holland or take any other kind of formal action.[6]
>At the Fairchild air show on 8 August 1993, Holland once again commanded the B-52 demonstration flight. As before, the demonstration profile included bank angles of greater than 45°, low-altitude passes, and another high pitch climbing maneuver, this time in excess of 80° nose high. The climb was so steep that fuel flowed out through the vent holes from the aircraft's wing tanks. The new wing commander, Brigadier General James M. Richards, and the new DO, Colonel William E. Pellerin, both witnessed the demonstration, but neither took any action.[13]
>On 14 and 15 April 1993, Holland was the mission commander of a two-aircraft training mission to a bombing range near Guam in the Pacific Ocean. During the mission, Holland flew his B-52 closer to the other B-52 than regulations allowed. Holland also asked his navigator to videotape the bombs falling from the aircraft from inside the bomb bay, also against regulations. Holland's navigator later brought the video to the attention of three Fairchild USAF officers. The first, Lieutenant Colonel Bullock, the current 325th Bomb Squadron commander, did nothing about it and may have even tried to use the videotape as leverage to coerce the navigator into accepting a position as mission scheduler for the wing. The second, the deputy operations group commander, Lieutenant Colonel Harper, told the crew member to conceal the evidence. The third, the DO, allegedly responded to reports of the video by stating, "Okay, I don't want to know anything about that video—I don't care."[12]
>On 10 March 1994, Holland commanded a single-aircraft training mission to the Yakima Bombing Range, to provide an authorized photographer an opportunity to document the aircraft as it dropped training munitions. The minimum aircraft altitude permitted for that area was 500 feet (150 m) AGL; during the mission, Holland's aircraft was filmed crossing one ridgeline about 30 feet (10 m) above the ground. Fearing for their safety, the photography crew ceased filming and took cover as Holland's aircraft again passed low over the ground, this time estimated as clearing the ridgeline by only three feet (1 m). The co-pilot on Holland's aircraft testified that he grabbed the controls to prevent Holland from flying the aircraft into the ridge while the aircraft's other two aircrew members repeatedly screamed at Holland: "Climb! Climb!" Holland responded by laughing and calling one of the crew members "a pussy".[2]
BASED
homie frickin died and killed three innocent people wtf do you mean "based"
Did the Aviator glasses got famous after this movie? Do any anons know how or what was the general consensus of this movie back in 86' ? Did women flock the cinemas?
It wasn't just Top Gun but also the fact that other jet fighter movie came out around the same time - Iron Eagle. These both established pilots as super cool guys. Made men want to be like them and made kids want to have scale models of planes. Airfix and other companies increased scale model sales by over 500% after these few films.
>tfw you'll never race your high school bully through a canyon in your Cessna 150
hurts just a little bit
Best movie soundtrack ever....
fite me!
>Basil Poledouris
I can believe your claim.
>Iceman
>Cool as ice
>Bitches like a troony crying for mammy in the final fight
>ACK