>you are now realizing that Aragorn fighting Sauron was cut for the troll fight
Why did they do that? That would have been so fricking cool. They don't even use the Sauron costume again after the prologue, what a waste.
>you are now realizing that Aragorn fighting Sauron was cut for the troll fight
Aragorn is african american now.
Can't work out if boomers or greedy descendants are worse these days
this is going to be public domain in 20 years anyway.
its like making dracula black
>Aragorn is african american now.
My dad bought the new LotR magic cards for me. He went all out, too, he was really excited. I don't know if he even noticed Blackgorn or black Theodn but now I have them and I have to pretend to be happy for his sake. It was really nice of him to get them too. I jsut feel hollow inside. Fortunately I am good at hiding my power level so I can conceal my disgust while we play the decks against each other. What really fricks me up is that it would have been absolutely perfect if they'd just left Aragorn white, but they made him black solely and entirely to demoralize whites (söyisraelite consoomers aren't white).
Ayogon
It would ruin Sauron's mythology and character.
If they'd shown the body as a reanimated corpse (maybe a large body made from smaller body parts, like a Frankenstein creation someone like Saruman may have put together for him), that Sauron was remote controlling it may have worked. Showing that he's just one step away from becoming fully manifest again. He *was* known as a necromancer.
And when Sauron's spirit flees it gives the orcs a clearer reason to just skedaddle immediately seeing that their boss isn't there to back them up anymore.
Extra points if it was somehow the preserved body of Isildur under the armor, reanimated as an act of mockery (also explaining the height). Aragorn is faced with battling all the ghosts of his legacy in one figure.
sauron is a mage. he would have btfo aragorn
I really can't think of any flaws with this trilogy. I'm curious if anyone else has actual problems with it.
I don't understand how Aragorn was able to btfo the Witch King with a torch but the same guy is able to come back and fight/beat Gandalf later.
He had his hat on at the end
Probably got some purple gear or set items and leveled up a few times.
You don't understand because you're a slave Black person and your entire family lineage consists of slave Black folk. But I will explain it for you.
Sauron's power is strictly scaled by proximity. This is explicit in both the novels and the films. The ring and all his influence have increasing power as they grow nearer to him.
in the book the siege wasn't nearly so lop-sided,the gondorians were beating orcs back to the gates when the rohhirim and pelargir marines arrived(all the ghosts did in the books was scare the umbar corsairs keeping them tied up)
He had his exploration loadout because they were looking for the ring
During the battle he had his heavy loadout equipped because all he had to focus on was fighting
They turned Faramir into a bad guy just to give Frodo and Sam something to do
>They turned Faramir into a bad guy
They gave him the chance to prove himself better than Boromir, you mean.
I didn't like how they replaced the Shelob chapter in Two Towers with it.
Shelob being in RotK gave her more screentime than she would have gotten if she was put into the two towers
Which is moronic because they had plenty to do between Shelob and the orc high way stuff.
Oh, I know! Let's move Shelob to the third movie and cut out the orc highway stuff and then make up a bunch of shit.
Yeah the reasoning was because one of the lines of dialogue Faramir has in the books about saying if he saw the ring sitting by the side of the road he could just ignore it. Which takes away all of the rings power. Faramir was TOO good so they had to give him something to do as well.
well i'll give my usual preface which is i love 'em and watched a million times with my dad... but there are a ton of things to nitpick
>that rivndell transition when frodo is sick and we get giant elrond head before elrond has been introduced
>the warg fight doesn't really have any tension or meaning until aragorn takes a bit of a tumble... and we know he can't be dead
>theoden is a real c**t during helm's deep in a way that's inappropriate like yelling "GET OUT OF THERE" and then slamming the little window shut
and then aragorn and gimli are slowly pulled up by a rope right in front of the uruk-hai? it's been established they have crossbows
It's definitely the best trilogy. Empire is as good as the best LOTR movie (Fellowship, of course), but overall LOTR beats the OT
saruman conclusion, or lack of
i understand why the scouring of the shire was not included and changed to the extented scene, but having no conclusion for the deuteragonist in the theatrical release would be called bad story telling in any film
>deuteragonist
forgot my terms
i mean whatever the co/lesser-antagonist is called
To be fair that whole sequence drags on quite a bit and I'm not sure cutting it down to them just showing up and him getting stabbed and falling to his death would have made much sense. Clearly the editors didn't think so.
>Saruman literally just disappears after movie 2 if you don't watch the extended edition
went to trash the shire
There are tons of flaws with it, but I still love it. The absolute worst has to be the anti-climactic ending for Saruman which is totally scrapped in the theatrical release.
the absolute worst offender is the ghost army in the 3rd movie
They lack the seriousness and nobility of the books.
The extended editions have an asston of shitty love-arc elf cringe dealing with Arwen and Elrond drama. They could have cut all of that and focused on a more accurate adaptation.
The forced drama of Gollum manipulating Frodo into sending Sam away in the third movie
Jackson's obsession with switching to low frame rates at the start of the trilogy (hurts my eyes).
Jackson's obsession with CGI at the end of the trilogy.
It's very very good, but I think it'd be even better if they stuck closer to the books. The best parts of the trilogy are the parts that are directly adapted. The worst parts are the shit they made up (wolves attacking Helms Deep convoy, Faramir subplot, Denethor being mentally unstable).
It just seems like they made more work for themselves to produce an inferior product.
>Way too long
>Antisemitikkk, as the entire cast should be Black folk. Not even one Black person.
>Elijah Wood can't act for shit, he's the am*rikkkan ~~*Daniel Radcliffe*~~
This film suffers from having half American actors (israelites) and half kino (British) actors.
My problems are just that there are some sequences in the book that are done better, but I don't know how you'd go about doing them in the film. For example, Aragorn's appearance at Pelennor Fields with his army of knights from the book is infinitely better than the ghost army, but it's not going to work because of pacing - Aragorn goes to get the ghosts to spook the ships to get the knights to go to Pelennor. You need it to be more direct than that in the film for pacing, so it's natural that you keep the ghost army section. I'd rework Saruman's death probably, but also keep the Scouring of the Shire gone too. While thematically relevant about the hardest battles being at home and closing the circle of the adventure at Bag End, it's an anti-climax to the events of the War of the Ring.
Some of the CGI is starting to show its age but it's not really a problem exactly.
Gimli slowly becoming a moronic homosexual to make the children laugh in some parts of 2 and all of 3
ROTK is flawed. Bloated and didn't do any favors with the ghost army saving the day.
The ghost army saving the day was fine, but it was a little too cartoonish in its depiction. Have them engage the enemy as a normal-looking - though invincible - army, leading to a quick route, and overall collapse of the enemy lines. Having them just immediately end things, along with the stupid fricking "ghost as water" shit in the background made it feel a little more anti-climatic than it should have given the length and complexity of the battle.
The theatrical release is the only definitive version, as the shortened ones leave gaping plot holes:
>Éowyn inexplicably defeating Witch-king with a daggar (Nmenórean anointed blade)
>no W-k breaking Gandalf's staff (W-k build-up an anti-climax without it)
>no Mouth of Sauron scene
...etc.
gimli becoming comic relief.
>the giant incorporeal evil appears on physical form to swing a sword at some distant relative of a guy who cut his finger once
Yeah. That would have been so heckin epic!!!
It would have been thematically and totally inappropriate, but the troll replacement is really awkward and I think on balance they should’ve probably kept Sauron. Or at least finished the VFX and made it an alternate ending option on the home release.
the extended version is very good. it adds a lot of extra info. the one scene i didnt like (or rather just didnt get) was the sauroman's alst scene on top of his tower with wormtongue.
wormtongue's action (and subsequently legolas' responding action) just dont fit imo.
I thought that too
I'd say this scene is pretty bad, too. Viggo seems either very bored or very tired. Jackson getting shot is kind of funny, though.
Holy shit what a stinker. It's at this point the movie just falls apart and drags into total nonsense for another 2 hours or whatever.
I'm fine with it (since the scouring of the shire doesn't happen) but I'll always find it weird that Legolas kills Wormtongue
>That would have been so fricking cool!!!
You are a part of the problem.
>tfw no Horsefu
I don't care if she can't cook, Aragorn is an idiot
she's gonna hit the wall in 20 years while aragorn will still be in his prime of course he won't choose her over smashing some elf puss
not as good as Arwen
>pale hick that smells like horse shit
>ageless beauty that will stays on her prime forever, also his cousin
I wonder why he chose Arwen.
>2,000 year old NEET vs. suicidally brave warrior princess who only wants to be your gf
Was Aragorn autistic too?
I walked into The Two Towers a boy, and left it a man.
Frick I love her so much bros
Eowyn wasn't a knight tho
It's fine the way it is.
>Why did they do that? That would have been so fricking cool
Sauron is not someone you can defeat in a sword fight. The moment Jackson pitched it he should’ve been fired and banished back to New Zealand to make low budget trash for the rest of his life
>Sauron is not someone you can defeat in a sword fight.
The opening to the entire trilogy was a flash back to Sauron being defeated in a sword fight.
I wish this song wasn't cut from fellowship, such a beauty.
>LET TH' LAIRD O' D'BLACK LAND COME FAIRTH
came here to post this, the journey out of the shire was an adventure in its own right and i'm still assblasted it got cut down to a montage of establishing shots
Are you forgetting the hobbits get harassed by the ring wraiths the whole time, only bring saved by accidentally meeting aragorn?
I don't even like these children's films.
in their own words it would take away from the focus of Frodo and Sams final struggle which was the reason Aragorn was there since it was to distract the forces of Mordor to give them a chance
gandalf or someone says at the beginning that sauron cannot take physical form without the ring
Cause Sauron is fricking dead. It shouldn't have happened and I'm glad it didn't. They should have made OC black numenorean if they wanted a sword fight.
It would have buried the ring to be honest. That was the antagonist. The real sauron is the sauron in your own heart kind of thing. All of the characters being tempted by it. Thats what they were trying to conquer at that point in lotr and sauron didnt need to fight aragorn he just needed to wait. the ring would do the work for him.
This. if you need someone for aragorn to fight then it would be appropriate for him to fight what is basically the fallen version of himself.
Tolkien was a worthless piece of shit
C.S. Lewis was the last prophet
I used to make these topics a decade or more ago, and all you get a PJ cum spittoons who decry the notion... Despite the fact that the scene was scripted and filmed, and only dumped at the eleventh hour due to technical (read: time) constraints. He would surely have gone through with the scene were the trilogy made today (minus the comatose "woke" influence, of course).
>"While he [Sauron] wore it [the One Ring], his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself -- he was not 'diminished'."
(Tolkien: Letter No. 131)
>"[I]n any case, a confrontation of Frodo and Sauron would soon have taken place, if the Ring was intact. Its result was inevitable. Frodo would have been utterly overthrown: crushed to dust, or preserved in torment as a gibbering slave. Sauron would not have feared the Ring! It was his own and under his will. Even from afar, he had an effect upon it, to make it work for its return to himself. In his actual presence, none but very few of equal stature could have hoped to withhold it from him. Of 'mortals', no one; not even Aragorn. In the contest with the Palantír, Aragorn was the rightful owner. Also, the contest took place at a distance -- and in a tale which allows the incarnation of great spirits in a physical and destructible form. Their power must be far greater when actually, physically present. Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature; but, not gigantic."
(Tolkien: Letter No. 246)
>tfw no Goldberry
were bookgays annoyed that the eye of sauron was a real thing?
I thought it was a cool depiction of a metaphysical concept.
it was described like that one time in the book kida irrc