There are many folklore creatures from around the world which are described as existing on another plane of reality and being frequently found in forested areas, these creatures are also often cannibalistic, dangerous or just kind of buttholes.
because invisibility of predators, the dark of the woods and being eaten are primal fears of humans, ofcourse they're gonna come up with fairytales that feature these themes
your behaviour is kid shit is what that poster was getting at. I know you'll just double down now, but fricking go away, nobody wants to read your dogshit attention seeking posts. >inb4 hahaahahaha ur so mad
It's almost like people also got lost in the woods and died in pre-history/mythological times and their bodies could go undiscovered for decades and scattered by predators and other people got spooked out when they finally found them. Maybe they even had Shaman Paulides who realized he could exercise a great deal of spiritual power over the people by convincing them that their loved ones were taken by the bogeyman
You're right, humans lying to take advantage of a situation is so convoluted as opposed to a mythological creature that we have literally no concrete evidence for existing (and we should have concrete, real evidence, by your own logic, unlike a religious deity's belief system)
>Hurr durr everyone in the world is just lying ignore all the disappearnaces the boogeyman isn't real
Or, occams razor here...
the boogeyman exists and there's no grand conspiracy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't the grand conspiracy that the national parks service, and so by extension every other government body relating to parks on the planet, is covering it all up (which is why you have to buy Paulides' books to know the REAL truth)
>interdimensional portals and kidnapping people is pure schizo shit
I agree, the ending of 'Beyond The Black Rainbow' shouldn't have been the entirety of the movie, I don't know how they managed to go around the copyright. I was expecting a documentary with cases and testimony, all I got was a schizophrenic acid trip. What a scam.
I don't even think they're coming out of interdimensional portals, I think they're just unobservable to us under normal conditions. I mean scientists all pretty much agree that we don't perceive reality as it is but instead as a highly abstracted representation of reality. Our brains filter the raw """binary""" data of reality and make for us a simple model that allows us to navigate the world without being overwhelmed by its true intrinsic complexity. Our whole experience of space and time and the creatures and hazards that lie within it is basically just Batman's detective mode from the Arkham games that filters out the crap and highlights the points of interest that we need to be aware of (food, water, danger, predator, etc). I think Bigfoot chads basically hide among this "crap" outside of the range of things we're able to perceive. Either by evolution or because they're naturally just not that predatory enough for any member of our species to have ever gained a survival advantage by being able to sense one.
Oh, well if scientists say it it must be the case. My brain is just real-time editing reality to be a muppet clown world for my benefit and not abject horror, it's protecting me from the true terror that I just can't handle, ya know, like fricking bigfoot.
>I mean scientists all pretty much agree that we don't perceive reality as it is but instead as a highly abstracted representation of reality.
Most scientists are moronic sheep who say whatever will get them the most grant money. Real science isn't done anymore. At least not in the mainstream.
Nope most of these cases are people wandered off the trail and got ate by animal or died of exposure a lot of probably big cats they're ambush predators they'll choke you out fast and quiet drag you in the woods and you will never be found
because invisibility of predators, the dark of the woods and being eaten are primal fears of humans, ofcourse they're gonna come up with fairytales that feature these themes
Woah woah guys calm down with the logical conclusions! Reasonable thinking doesn’t make for good TV!
I don’t think they all have reasonable conclusions though or rather I don’t think the more interesting ones have a knowable conclusion at all. Yes most disappearances do have mundane sad answers but there are a few stories with bizarre contradictory evidence which make them compelling. If someone got lost and turned around why would they remove only their boots and set them aside then backtrack a few miles when they knew the trail they were on? Paradoxical undressing does exist but you wouldn’t take only your shoes off.
It's fairly shrimple when you think about it: an as yet undiscovered fungus in the wild makes human contact by way of the spores becoming airborne. This fungus produces a mild hallucinogenic effect, which is what causes the strange behavior. The folded clothes, the boots and socks stacked neatly nearby. It's all shrimply the side effects of mild fungus poisoning.
It’s literally just inexperienced, unprepared, or just plain unlucky people. Plenty of morons go out without even knowing how to read a map or survive a bear attack.
if you want to find something you will always find something. That's how urban myths and local legends get created. All it need is a starting point and then it will snowball into something eerie, weird, maybe paranormal. It reminds me of a story from my village. There was a haunted house and people sweared on their mother's grave that they saw ghosts and shit there. It all started with a story that some guy murdered his whole family in that house and then an hero'd himself like 100 years ago or something. And you know what? That part was true. It literally did happen BUT in a completely different house on the other side of the village. You know how it is. Or when you witnessed something firsthand and then week later you hear completely new story with details taken out of the ass. My point is, there's nothing paranormal in those dissapearances but if you really want to find something, you will find it. You can jumpstart the exact same thing in any place in the world. Literally pick a place where dissapearances happen, get relatively famous youtuber there, make him make a suggestion about ufos and boom, few years later you will have tons of people claiming they saw ufo there
That guy has clearly been tasked with soft disclosing some things.
Anyway one time I went camping thousands of feet up in Grizzly country by myself with just a can of bear spray that I later lost. I've rolled the dice enough times with full awareness that anything could happen now I'm happy to stay put and just watch bigfoot documentaries.
My dad got heavy into that shit. His youtube history and recommends is hilarious. I'm fine admitting there might be something undiscovered, but the conclusions these people make are ridiculous. The lack of evidence is damning and what little evidence there is, they extrapolate to insane conclusions
>these conclusions are ridiculous! >NO EVIDENCE for these wild theories!
There is evidence >well even if there is evidence these conclusions are ridiculous!
It's okay. These topics aren't for everyone.
Do people really think that wasnt a fireburst? I hate how contrarions need an alternative explanation just because they dont like the generally accepted ones
He's probably referring to randomly bent trees in the forest being a mark of a bigfoot's presence, or a circular group of trees bent inwards apparently being a bigfoot shelter.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Enough snow or ice on a tree can cause them to snap, I've seen video of multiple bears climbing the same tree until it snaps under their weight. Everything has an explanation even if you can't think of it.
Some of them were. Its weird though, they STARTED with incredibly normal, inconspicuous cases that could very easily just be explained as "70 year old man does 70 year old man things and wanders off into the woods"
Also wtf was with the alien bullshit in florida, it had NOTHING to do with it, and then they brought in that expert going "yeah the picture is a higher resolution than the camera, only aliens could do something like that"
There was a 70 yr old found in my state on a mountainside pulled apart. Not eaten. It's easy to say "lol aliens and bigfoot lol" but this issue is pretty serious. People go into the wilderness their entire life under the assumption that bears and big cats and wolves are the only thing to worry about and that doesn't actually seem to be the case.
yeah just because we can't see some of that stuff doesn't mean there's definitely something there. They'd still interact with the world. Idk about you gang but I don't exactly bump into invisible shit
there's also ways of being able to see in those ranges and nothing has been found
nice /x/ theory though lil bro
5 months ago
Anonymous
ok
5 months ago
Anonymous
oh frick bro that's crazy
they're really out there
damn there's thousands and thousands of trail cams have surely seen similar things right?
Show me some more I want to believe
5 months ago
Anonymous
>a display artifact that moves inversely to the deer
whoa
5 months ago
Anonymous
>digital display artifacts can get the attention of physical entities
moron
5 months ago
Anonymous
the display artifact is moving in accordance with the deer. deer rarely just stay still.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>the display artifact is moving in accordance with the deer
Except it continues moving left while the deer remains motionless with it's body perpendicular to the camera for multiple frames. The deer doesn't continue to move until the ~~*artifact*~~ is nearly off screen, after which it proceeds to look in that direction and then run in the other because it doesn't like what it senses.
>deer rarely just stay still
Okay city gay. I understand that your only experience with deer is spooking the shit out of them on the highway or one of the few times you went hiking during COVID but deer are plenty capable of staying in relative place. Frick, their initial defense mechanism is to freeze for fricks sake, something you'd know if you weren't an urbaBlack person.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>lives in shitty backwood redneck town >thinks he's some sort of savant of the wilderness
frick you moron lol
5 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession. Go eat your bugs and stay in your shoebox, city shitter
5 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit you are a certified moron bro
5 months ago
Anonymous
The deer moves to camera right, the artifact moves to camera left proportionally.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>~~*artifact*~~ keeps moving when the deer is still and the deer reacts to it >IT'S JUST A DIGITAL ARTIFACT GUISE HONEST
Frick off
5 months ago
Anonymous
we can all see the video. the artifact moves when the deer does. neither "reacts," its simultaneous.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Are you a frog? Is your vision based on movement? The artifact keeps moving from right to left when the deer is still for multiple frames, you blind motherfricker.
5 months ago
Anonymous
why are you lying? about something we're all looking directly at?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you? Are you israeli? Is it in your nature? Would explain your frog eyes tbh.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I like how schizos always just degenerate into screaming inane insults.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I like how cover up artists avoid answering the questions and deflect from reality. There's a reason the anon before you shut the frick up when reality was pointed out: they're a real person and not some israelited sock puppet.
There are SOME unexplained cases but 90% of the time what gets sold as unexplained is just morons getting lost in the woods after going off trail without any preparation.
I work in the woods and don't believe in ayys or bigfeets kidnapping a bunch of people, the spookiness of the stories comes from the fact that something could go so wrong so fast in a way that people find it completely inexplicable as to how it could have happened, and as a result people are never seen again.
For example the one that really got to me was the 80 something year old that was elk hunting with a big party of guys. He just sits in one spot and waits for the elk to be flushed in to him like they always did and completely disappeared without a trace, nothing is ever found and the area isn't even that rural and doesn't have big predators that would attack a grown man. And he wouldn't have wandered far because he could hardly walk.
Did he fall into an underground cave? What happened to his rifle and other belongings? Why didn't he fire a shot off if he was in danger? The explanation is probably mundane but not knowing makes it intriguing.
People rag on Paulides for being sensational and I think his theories and patterns are stupid but I give him credit for bringing awareness to the consequences of not taking the woods seriously.
To be fair Paulides never brings up bigfoot or ayys in the 411 books or movies, the only crazy shit is the patterns of caves or water or whatever which, guess what, tend to be commonly found in forests and parks.
>And he wouldn't have wandered far
That's the key here, assumptions. "He wouldn't have done this" "it's not like him to do that" "I knew him and I can't imagine him acting like this". This is all meaningless.
It's not an assumption, he was 80+ and stayed in one spot during hunting trips because he had trouble walking. You're making the assumption an octogenarian cripple is going to run off 20 miles into the woods because you don't have an explanation either.
>And he wouldn't have wandered far
That's the key here, assumptions. "He wouldn't have done this" "it's not like him to do that" "I knew him and I can't imagine him acting like this". This is all meaningless.
The ones that wlare weird for me is when super experienced woodsman and hunters dissappear. My uncle is a guy like that and if he just vanished and people tried to tell me he just wandered off a trail, I'd know something was up.
That's what happened to the man in the first case in 411 Hunted. He was effectively inside a couple hundred meter perimiter, hunting with his equally skilled friends, all of them communicating via radio. A snap is heard from one of his buddies, coming from the direction of where the hunter was set up, and from that point onward the man is gone forever. No call for help, no trace, no blood, no scent, no rifle, no gear, no time for him to "escape" for dozens of miles away. Hundreds of volunteers, extensive prolonged grid searching, helicopter FLIR searches, searching by car, nothing. The man was never found.
"Bigfoot" was actually never mentioned as an explanation. There wasn't given any speculation, for most cases in the feature lengths actually. You can't fake your death when everyone knows where you are, IIRC the loud sound alerted the squad and that's when they started to look for him. They were in constant radio contact and all inside a 500 square meters, so how does an elderly man with a happy family and marriage "fake his death"? Also disapearrance is not faking a death. You clearly haven't watched the film, but be my guest and take a shit on everything I just said.
>oh my god it's so crazy this experienced hunter went to an area he's very familiar with and he went missing and wow it's so insane >conveniently leave out the fact that he was trying to quit alcohol and was on medication for it that would explain why he acted so strangely in the wilderness
lol awesome
The fact that are dozens of stories of small children wandering off with bears and being found alive later is the weirdest thing to me. The Bigfoot people think the kids are mistaking Bigfoot for bears but I think bears are just really out there protecting mancubs
Because the third documentary deals with cases where there is evidence/testimony of UFOs, while the first two don't. As far as I know UFOs are present in very few missing 411 cases, even though that's one of the things that would perfectly explain the vanishings. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/flzxkRWeYPs
How can someone be so wrong and so damn arrogant at the same time? Is having an opinion immoral? Is pushing (that's highly debatable because far out speculation including bigfoot mainly happens during his correspondence with the community in the youtube videos and not the films) an idea immoral? Is equating missing persons research that fringes on the paranormal equivalent to founding an occult religion with Satanic overtones? Everyone on Cinemaphile pirates, his youtube revenue is nonexistant and these three films are all produced out of pocket, with very little profits. Don't pretend you're protecting people from a scam when everything can be watched for free, and nothing has been proven fraudulent. Especially not in the films. What a waste of time this thread is.
And there is something that he said which is fraudulent, in one of the cases he claims a witness saw a "hairy humanoid" but the FBI report reveals that the guy actually said he saw a guy with long hair who got into a car.
I'm a sucker for this kinda stuff I love a good mystery. I remember the first ones being okay because there wasn't too much speculative stuff, but then they started to get really speculative with not a lot of evidence.
This one kinda sucked, the hunter that was abducted and said the Alien was called Ozo or something was so funny.
The skinwalker ranch documentary sucked too, 2 hours long but hardly any real content just lots of hearsay.
One of the documentaries I did like was that Netflix Unsolved mysteries case on Bigfoot and Skinwalkers was like the Navarro Rangers episode I think and some of the other UFO documentaries on Netflix are quire interesting too, and to be honest I am a good 75%+ convinced aliens are real, I find it hard to believe that so many people reporting similar phenomena are all wrong, love the cases involved groups of people and there's so many. I also find the folklore aspect of it interesting too where you look back in history and find reports of people interacting with alien like beings but called different things.
>The Skinwalker Ranch documentary sucked too, 2 hours long but hardly any real content just lots of hearsay.
Did he make a Skinwalker Ranch documentary? I'm not surprised it's just hearsay. Skinwalker Ranch is the biggest bit of bullshit in the whole paranormal sphere.
Fun obviously bullshit schizo-kino. I find it hilarious that all of the Missing 411 criteria are just "factors that obviously increase your risk of getting lost innawoods"
Okay so what if it IS sasquatch people who have been killing eating and disappearing humans since forever which is exactly what was always known about them until the modern era where people stopped listening to wild man reports?
And what if it IS aliens or some other civilization with advanced tech just snatching people on a whim like they are livestock?
Is there really some reason putting forth this possibility is so offensive?
How can someone be so wrong and so damn arrogant at the same time? Is having an opinion immoral? Is pushing (that's highly debatable because far out speculation including bigfoot mainly happens during his correspondence with the community in the youtube videos and not the films) an idea immoral? Is equating missing persons research that fringes on the paranormal equivalent to founding an occult religion with Satanic overtones? Everyone on Cinemaphile pirates, his youtube revenue is nonexistant and these three films are all produced out of pocket, with very little profits. Don't pretend you're protecting people from a scam when everything can be watched for free, and nothing has been proven fraudulent. Especially not in the films. What a waste of time this thread is.
I think inbred familes picking off random hikers is more valid than Bigfoot but the connections between the cases is what makesi everything interesting. It's probably just inbred hillbillies or a serial killer who decided to go awol from society and lives in the woods
>411 threads on Cinemaphile and /x/ every single time
and no the skeptics aren't on the right, because you lot are strawmanning and ad homing everything. A real scientist unlike the armchair Dawkinses ITT would simply say "I don't know, we need more data" after looking at all this. You throwing shit like a monkey from your high horse isn't some high intellectualism, make no mistake. The people behind this project don't know what's happening and can't explain it, but you do? Without doing an iota of legwork? In order to actually debunk this you're going to need a team of experts and detectives, millions of dollars and years of work to re-investigate everything that's been presented.
99.999% of this is fricking idiots underestimating a bears intelligence they are smart as all frick, APEX PREDATOR isn't just a term, it mans something
vanish in the woods
Oh so people get lost and die in the woods? How could I have been so stupid thanks for solving the hundreds of mysteries all from the comfort of your home.
I've watched all 3 of these films with a pretty open mind
and if you do even the most bare minimum of research into the cases presented, you'll find they purposefully leave out crucial information that can otherwise explain the case fairly reasonably.
>you'll find they purposefully leave out crucial information
You mean purposefully leaving out crucial information like you just did?
>people get lost and die in the woods
Yes. There's a reason every decent trail has tons of signs telling you to not go off trail. You need training and knowledge to not get lost in "wilderness." Just like you need training/knowledge to cave dive. People think "oh I'll just go a little ways" or whatever, then they turn around and realize they don't know where they are. They pick what they think is "the right" direction and start walking, and now they're lost.
>You mean purposefully leaving out crucial information like you just did?
ask me how I know you're moronic
it takes 2 seconds to find information explaining detailed info that would help explain many of these reported cases
Am I saying that's applicable to all cases? No
weird shit can and does happen, but lol
>if pauliedes was on the search he was looking for bigfoot, not the missing person.
What a nonsense comment, what the frick does that have to do with regular search and rescue teams? You think Paulides was personally present for every single one and *that's* why the entire team was unable to find the person?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>what the frick does that have to do with regular search and rescue teams
its a joke about how paulieds or whatever has been banned from all search and rescue operations.
>if pauliedes was on the search he was looking for bigfoot, not the missing person.
This doesn't even work as a joke because he's not working as SAR on thousands of cases across the states and even other countries, he doesn't even talk about bigfoot in the films. This goes to show all you "skeptics" haven't even seen the film in question, but still you have the loudest mouths. Shame honestly. I don't know if you're stupid, trolling, or an actual agent.
5 months ago
Anonymous
okay paulides.
the point is about how search an rescue teams also aren't foolproof because people make errors, even if they aren't morons like paulides.
I've watched all 3 of these films with a pretty open mind
and if you do even the most bare minimum of research into the cases presented, you'll find they purposefully leave out crucial information that can otherwise explain the case fairly reasonably.
>if you disregard all the weird stuff and imagine a bear did it, you'll actually find out that a bear did it
Deliberate shillful moronation. We all know what happens underground. I'm out.
You guys are moronic. The simplest and most logical answer is usually the correct one and the simples and most logical answer is that the US park services allow certain people to disappear in national parks so that their organs can be harvested for the rich and powerful.
I think you have to keep in mind that ultimately all of the details are relayed through police reports and any shoddy information or poor detective work can leave gaps that seem suspicious when it's really just a lack of information. Further these reports are then reported through a sieve by Paulides who is deliberately trying to portray them as a spooky. Not only that but people can just outright lie about their friends and family
Taking that into account a lot of these stories are less eerie than they appear, additionally it is not far fetched that pedophiles or murderers just operate in large parks and it isn't anything paranormal. Also, I think especially in cases regarding the old and children it is just evidence that mountain lions are more predatory towards humans than we realize
There may seem to be a few cases that still come off as weird but again it's more likely some mundane explanation for an outlier that's just been picked from thousands of cases
it's not impossible even a couple of people do this across the country would possibly be able to account for several of the more anomalous cases involving children. >pick a certain day of the year where the park will be somewhat busy but not too busy. >find an area a bit secluded but people will still walk by >have an escape plan >maybe even wait for a time where you know a storm will likely hit in a few hours hiding evidence >chloroform and wait for parents to be distracted or kid to wander off on their own >grab and escape
we know pedophiles exist and go to extreme lengths in some cases we do not know that bigfoot and/or other entities exist
maybe i am a moron, but how the frick they can't find remains or you loss someone in today age? you have drones than can search for hours, helicopters, heat cameras, they make search parties that search for dozens of miles or even hundreds, is not like a fricking wolf/bear kill a man and teleport 1000 miles away in 2 days with the body and we are not in the 1800's
one explanation would be that the remains fall into cracks in the earth or caves
There was a case where a drunk kid crashed his car into the bank of a lake and drowned. The car was sitting there like 30 feet from from a residential road for 20 years until someone saw it on google earth.
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it's not even that rare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Erin_Foster_and_Jeremy_Bechtel
Serial killers: >I'm going to meticulously plan and scout out areas to find the optimal place to hide the bodies and transport them at a time where I won't be noticed. With any luck they might stay unfound for over a year
Some drunk kid in a car after a party >lmao hold my beer
it really do be that way. the problem with meticulous planning is its still your ass on the road in a car with a body then in the street trying to dump the body, but some kid running off the road and slamming into the blind side of a riverbank happens in a few seconds.
This used to be cool to me until you learn how many were either solved, left out key details to make it seem more mysterious than it is, etc. And it's basically a grift by some guy who thinks bigfoot is a fairy or transdimensional spirit thing or some shit like that. It's cool if you just like a mystery and don't care how true they are or don't mind someone leaving out details like "kid was left alone for hours and ended up missing" and not "omg i turned around for le 1 second and poof they were le gone".
i believe the majority of 411 cases fall into the following 3 categories >someone lying: parents don't want to appear negligent so they lie about how much attention they were paying to their child. i don't think it's a coincidence why mentally disabled children seem over-represented either: like how some people will abandon their dogs on some stretch of road i can easily see some parents bringing their severely autistic toddler to the parks and them "getting lost" >people overestimate capabilities and underestimate the danger of the woods. not taking enough provisions, not being mindful of hazards like pitfalls that can twist/break an ankle, or straight up old people exerting themselves and keeling over off the beaten track. once exposure sets in, people start acting illogically doing things like paradoxical undressing, neatly stacking their clothes either out of familiar habit or a delusional belief they'll come back for the objects later >some level of failure by involved parties including paulides doing his research. the police can make a mistake on a report, a search party could miss remains or not even be looking in the right area, or there's a plausible logical explanation, including news clippings showing that the person actually was found which paulides either didn't know about or omitted to fit a narrative
the remainder i believe to be foul play by criminal elements; either lone serial killers, violent local drug producers, or coming across CIA drug drops and being silenced
Do you think there is some correlation between 411 and Smiley Faced Killers? It seems like there could be some kind of link here and there the major ones I've noticed are water is involved in both, and white athletic males are targeted. Then again there is no calling card behaviour like we see in the cities where they leave the smiley face behind at the scene of the crime
Not really
Yeah, but the idea that Bigfoot is coming out of interdimensional portals and kidnapping people is pure schizo shit.
>t.bigfoot
It’s aliens moron.
There are many folklore creatures from around the world which are described as existing on another plane of reality and being frequently found in forested areas, these creatures are also often cannibalistic, dangerous or just kind of buttholes.
because invisibility of predators, the dark of the woods and being eaten are primal fears of humans, ofcourse they're gonna come up with fairytales that feature these themes
Frick off you schizo moron, stop making up nonsense like a fricking child.
lmao triggered af
Is there any better filter than paranormal stuff? Makes some people just lose it
No, it makes people think you must be some kind of idiot. Not the same thing.
your behaviour is kid shit is what that poster was getting at. I know you'll just double down now, but fricking go away, nobody wants to read your dogshit attention seeking posts.
>inb4 hahaahahaha ur so mad
>go awayyyy nobody likes your posts stop itttt you're acting like a child I'm going to tell on youuu
lol
"cannibalistic" would mean they eat each other.
You're right, I meant homophagous homosexual gays
But they eat each other out all the time. This is why they're so hard to find. They're in caves practicing cunnilingus
It's almost like people also got lost in the woods and died in pre-history/mythological times and their bodies could go undiscovered for decades and scattered by predators and other people got spooked out when they finally found them. Maybe they even had Shaman Paulides who realized he could exercise a great deal of spiritual power over the people by convincing them that their loved ones were taken by the bogeyman
Or, occams razor here...
they just got grabbed by the boogeyman.
You're right, humans lying to take advantage of a situation is so convoluted as opposed to a mythological creature that we have literally no concrete evidence for existing (and we should have concrete, real evidence, by your own logic, unlike a religious deity's belief system)
>Hurr durr everyone in the world is just lying ignore all the disappearnaces the boogeyman isn't real
Or, occams razor here...
the boogeyman exists and there's no grand conspiracy.
Isn't the grand conspiracy that the national parks service, and so by extension every other government body relating to parks on the planet, is covering it all up (which is why you have to buy Paulides' books to know the REAL truth)
Sounds like something a Bigfoot would say!
Most of them live underground. You could be camped right next to an entrance and not even know it.
>interdimensional portals and kidnapping people is pure schizo shit
I agree, the ending of 'Beyond The Black Rainbow' shouldn't have been the entirety of the movie, I don't know how they managed to go around the copyright. I was expecting a documentary with cases and testimony, all I got was a schizophrenic acid trip. What a scam.
it’s just the otherworld/ fairy world. a weird alternate reality that occasionally interstices with our own is a long tradition in old fairytales
I don't even think they're coming out of interdimensional portals, I think they're just unobservable to us under normal conditions. I mean scientists all pretty much agree that we don't perceive reality as it is but instead as a highly abstracted representation of reality. Our brains filter the raw """binary""" data of reality and make for us a simple model that allows us to navigate the world without being overwhelmed by its true intrinsic complexity. Our whole experience of space and time and the creatures and hazards that lie within it is basically just Batman's detective mode from the Arkham games that filters out the crap and highlights the points of interest that we need to be aware of (food, water, danger, predator, etc). I think Bigfoot chads basically hide among this "crap" outside of the range of things we're able to perceive. Either by evolution or because they're naturally just not that predatory enough for any member of our species to have ever gained a survival advantage by being able to sense one.
Oh, well if scientists say it it must be the case. My brain is just real-time editing reality to be a muppet clown world for my benefit and not abject horror, it's protecting me from the true terror that I just can't handle, ya know, like fricking bigfoot.
>I mean scientists all pretty much agree that we don't perceive reality as it is but instead as a highly abstracted representation of reality.
Most scientists are moronic sheep who say whatever will get them the most grant money. Real science isn't done anymore. At least not in the mainstream.
bigfoot has triple nuts
lmao who could even think to tell such a story.
REAL
paulideez is a dishonest moron
Finally someone said it.
They can all be explained by people being moronic or being killed.
You have to be 50 iq to believe bigfoot or UFOs did any of this
after julian sands it's missing 412 now
>leave out all the details of the case that provide a mundane explanation
>"You have to admit, some of these cases were pretty weird."
Everything is crazy if you just leave out all the boring details and forget about logical thinking
>David Paulitas here for our CanAm Missings person's project, copyrighted edition say hello to my dog she knows daddy is busy
Nope most of these cases are people wandered off the trail and got ate by animal or died of exposure a lot of probably big cats they're ambush predators they'll choke you out fast and quiet drag you in the woods and you will never be found
The guy who got lost on the trail you can see from his friends back yard and left his boots by a big rock was weird.
Paulitas himself attaches too many arbitrary rules without making a real case for anything but some of the stories are definitely highly strange
Woah woah guys calm down with the logical conclusions! Reasonable thinking doesn’t make for good TV!
I don’t think they all have reasonable conclusions though or rather I don’t think the more interesting ones have a knowable conclusion at all. Yes most disappearances do have mundane sad answers but there are a few stories with bizarre contradictory evidence which make them compelling. If someone got lost and turned around why would they remove only their boots and set them aside then backtrack a few miles when they knew the trail they were on? Paradoxical undressing does exist but you wouldn’t take only your shoes off.
>why come irrational behavior no completely irrational?? das not rational
This guy does a good job filling in some really important facts that make that story a lot less weird (and he's not doing it in a debooonking way):
>be such a moronic schizo you're banned from search parties
It's fairly shrimple when you think about it: an as yet undiscovered fungus in the wild makes human contact by way of the spores becoming airborne. This fungus produces a mild hallucinogenic effect, which is what causes the strange behavior. The folded clothes, the boots and socks stacked neatly nearby. It's all shrimply the side effects of mild fungus poisoning.
those are also known side effects of hypothermia
Right. And is this hypothermia in the room with us right now?
no its quite warm in here. you're also not here so I don't know why you think you are.
So you think you’re alone in your room. Fascinating.
I didn't say that, I just know you're not in my physical presence.
It’s literally just inexperienced, unprepared, or just plain unlucky people. Plenty of morons go out without even knowing how to read a map or survive a bear attack.
if you want to find something you will always find something. That's how urban myths and local legends get created. All it need is a starting point and then it will snowball into something eerie, weird, maybe paranormal. It reminds me of a story from my village. There was a haunted house and people sweared on their mother's grave that they saw ghosts and shit there. It all started with a story that some guy murdered his whole family in that house and then an hero'd himself like 100 years ago or something. And you know what? That part was true. It literally did happen BUT in a completely different house on the other side of the village. You know how it is. Or when you witnessed something firsthand and then week later you hear completely new story with details taken out of the ass. My point is, there's nothing paranormal in those dissapearances but if you really want to find something, you will find it. You can jumpstart the exact same thing in any place in the world. Literally pick a place where dissapearances happen, get relatively famous youtuber there, make him make a suggestion about ufos and boom, few years later you will have tons of people claiming they saw ufo there
>a story from my village.
Nice tale, Borat. Very nice!
i watched like 30 mins of this and its all drunk trailer trash leaving their kids out unsupervised on a mountain
That guy has clearly been tasked with soft disclosing some things.
Anyway one time I went camping thousands of feet up in Grizzly country by myself with just a can of bear spray that I later lost. I've rolled the dice enough times with full awareness that anything could happen now I'm happy to stay put and just watch bigfoot documentaries.
>spooky series about people disappearing or getting lost and recounting spooky stuff
>YEAH WELL COMMON EXPLANATIONS
Why are glowberts like this?
Mysterious disappearances are interesting, but I don't see bigfoot being the culprit.
My dad got heavy into that shit. His youtube history and recommends is hilarious. I'm fine admitting there might be something undiscovered, but the conclusions these people make are ridiculous. The lack of evidence is damning and what little evidence there is, they extrapolate to insane conclusions
>these conclusions are ridiculous!
>NO EVIDENCE for these wild theories!
There is evidence
>well even if there is evidence these conclusions are ridiculous!
It's okay. These topics aren't for everyone.
Solid evidence is not the same as bent trees anon
nta, Do you mean the Tunguska event?
Do people really think that wasnt a fireburst? I hate how contrarions need an alternative explanation just because they dont like the generally accepted ones
He's probably referring to randomly bent trees in the forest being a mark of a bigfoot's presence, or a circular group of trees bent inwards apparently being a bigfoot shelter.
Enough snow or ice on a tree can cause them to snap, I've seen video of multiple bears climbing the same tree until it snaps under their weight. Everything has an explanation even if you can't think of it.
They were all fricked by bigfeet!!! They take people to their rape caves and frick them to death!!! Big Bigfoot wieners!!!!
Some of them were. Its weird though, they STARTED with incredibly normal, inconspicuous cases that could very easily just be explained as "70 year old man does 70 year old man things and wanders off into the woods"
Also wtf was with the alien bullshit in florida, it had NOTHING to do with it, and then they brought in that expert going "yeah the picture is a higher resolution than the camera, only aliens could do something like that"
There was a 70 yr old found in my state on a mountainside pulled apart. Not eaten. It's easy to say "lol aliens and bigfoot lol" but this issue is pretty serious. People go into the wilderness their entire life under the assumption that bears and big cats and wolves are the only thing to worry about and that doesn't actually seem to be the case.
Animals sometimes kill just for fun
It's a mysterious world, bro.
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No it's not. It's a boring, mundane world. There's no magic and there's no mystery. What you see is what you get, and that's all.
>can't see 99% of the things that provably exist
Whoops.
Prove it.
yeah just because we can't see some of that stuff doesn't mean there's definitely something there. They'd still interact with the world. Idk about you gang but I don't exactly bump into invisible shit
there's also ways of being able to see in those ranges and nothing has been found
nice /x/ theory though lil bro
ok
oh frick bro that's crazy
they're really out there
damn there's thousands and thousands of trail cams have surely seen similar things right?
Show me some more I want to believe
>a display artifact that moves inversely to the deer
whoa
>digital display artifacts can get the attention of physical entities
moron
the display artifact is moving in accordance with the deer. deer rarely just stay still.
>the display artifact is moving in accordance with the deer
Except it continues moving left while the deer remains motionless with it's body perpendicular to the camera for multiple frames. The deer doesn't continue to move until the ~~*artifact*~~ is nearly off screen, after which it proceeds to look in that direction and then run in the other because it doesn't like what it senses.
>deer rarely just stay still
Okay city gay. I understand that your only experience with deer is spooking the shit out of them on the highway or one of the few times you went hiking during COVID but deer are plenty capable of staying in relative place. Frick, their initial defense mechanism is to freeze for fricks sake, something you'd know if you weren't an urbaBlack person.
>lives in shitty backwood redneck town
>thinks he's some sort of savant of the wilderness
frick you moron lol
I accept your concession. Go eat your bugs and stay in your shoebox, city shitter
Holy shit you are a certified moron bro
The deer moves to camera right, the artifact moves to camera left proportionally.
>~~*artifact*~~ keeps moving when the deer is still and the deer reacts to it
>IT'S JUST A DIGITAL ARTIFACT GUISE HONEST
Frick off
we can all see the video. the artifact moves when the deer does. neither "reacts," its simultaneous.
Are you a frog? Is your vision based on movement? The artifact keeps moving from right to left when the deer is still for multiple frames, you blind motherfricker.
why are you lying? about something we're all looking directly at?
Why are you? Are you israeli? Is it in your nature? Would explain your frog eyes tbh.
I like how schizos always just degenerate into screaming inane insults.
I like how cover up artists avoid answering the questions and deflect from reality. There's a reason the anon before you shut the frick up when reality was pointed out: they're a real person and not some israelited sock puppet.
Ribbit ribbit ribbit
>Believes in the light spectrum
Bet you believe in the gender spectrum too.
There are SOME unexplained cases but 90% of the time what gets sold as unexplained is just morons getting lost in the woods after going off trail without any preparation.
I work in the woods and don't believe in ayys or bigfeets kidnapping a bunch of people, the spookiness of the stories comes from the fact that something could go so wrong so fast in a way that people find it completely inexplicable as to how it could have happened, and as a result people are never seen again.
For example the one that really got to me was the 80 something year old that was elk hunting with a big party of guys. He just sits in one spot and waits for the elk to be flushed in to him like they always did and completely disappeared without a trace, nothing is ever found and the area isn't even that rural and doesn't have big predators that would attack a grown man. And he wouldn't have wandered far because he could hardly walk.
Did he fall into an underground cave? What happened to his rifle and other belongings? Why didn't he fire a shot off if he was in danger? The explanation is probably mundane but not knowing makes it intriguing.
People rag on Paulides for being sensational and I think his theories and patterns are stupid but I give him credit for bringing awareness to the consequences of not taking the woods seriously.
They wont take it seriously if people just keep pushing bigfoot or other supernatural explanations.
People vanishing is literally supernatural.
No it literally isn't.
To be fair Paulides never brings up bigfoot or ayys in the 411 books or movies, the only crazy shit is the patterns of caves or water or whatever which, guess what, tend to be commonly found in forests and parks.
It's not an assumption, he was 80+ and stayed in one spot during hunting trips because he had trouble walking. You're making the assumption an octogenarian cripple is going to run off 20 miles into the woods because you don't have an explanation either.
>if people just keep pushing bigfoot or other supernatural explanations
That's on internet homosexuals, 411 doesn't do that.
whoops
>411 doesn't do that.
yeah that's why the documentaries literally have alien and bigfoot shit in them
did you even watch them bro lol
Did you even read the books? Dumbass.
no paulides, we didn't read your books. sorry man.
As expected of Cinemaphile, experts of shit they don't know a thing about
see also; paulides on wilderness survival
Oh do you mean this? https://youtu.be/z5rGnutwNHs
>And he wouldn't have wandered far
That's the key here, assumptions. "He wouldn't have done this" "it's not like him to do that" "I knew him and I can't imagine him acting like this". This is all meaningless.
The ones that wlare weird for me is when super experienced woodsman and hunters dissappear. My uncle is a guy like that and if he just vanished and people tried to tell me he just wandered off a trail, I'd know something was up.
That's what happened to the man in the first case in 411 Hunted. He was effectively inside a couple hundred meter perimiter, hunting with his equally skilled friends, all of them communicating via radio. A snap is heard from one of his buddies, coming from the direction of where the hunter was set up, and from that point onward the man is gone forever. No call for help, no trace, no blood, no scent, no rifle, no gear, no time for him to "escape" for dozens of miles away. Hundreds of volunteers, extensive prolonged grid searching, helicopter FLIR searches, searching by car, nothing. The man was never found.
and bigfoot is a more logical explanation than a guy faking his own death to escape debt/marriage?
You're the one bringing up bigfoot.
"Bigfoot" was actually never mentioned as an explanation. There wasn't given any speculation, for most cases in the feature lengths actually. You can't fake your death when everyone knows where you are, IIRC the loud sound alerted the squad and that's when they started to look for him. They were in constant radio contact and all inside a 500 square meters, so how does an elderly man with a happy family and marriage "fake his death"? Also disapearrance is not faking a death. You clearly haven't watched the film, but be my guest and take a shit on everything I just said.
>oh my god it's so crazy this experienced hunter went to an area he's very familiar with and he went missing and wow it's so insane
>conveniently leave out the fact that he was trying to quit alcohol and was on medication for it that would explain why he acted so strangely in the wilderness
lol awesome
>take your meds chuds people don't just disappear
>lol someone went missing? probably on meds like a chud
lol
The fact that are dozens of stories of small children wandering off with bears and being found alive later is the weirdest thing to me. The Bigfoot people think the kids are mistaking Bigfoot for bears but I think bears are just really out there protecting mancubs
Literally me
funny how despite all the cheap tech we have nowadays we still don't have concrete proof of aliens/cryptids
Jacques Valle was right all along. We’re living in the goblin universe or alternatively flatland
>nobody mentions bigfoot or aliens
Meanwhile
>haha okay yeah and it's BIGFOOT right?
>Oh if course it's aliens right morons?
Okay it's definitely bigfoot and aliens.
mentions bigfoot or aliens
Because the third documentary deals with cases where there is evidence/testimony of UFOs, while the first two don't. As far as I know UFOs are present in very few missing 411 cases, even though that's one of the things that would perfectly explain the vanishings. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/flzxkRWeYPs
To deny Paulides started this whole thing to push his Bigfoot theory is to pretend L Ron Hubbard wasn't a sci-fi author before founding Scientology.
How can someone be so wrong and so damn arrogant at the same time? Is having an opinion immoral? Is pushing (that's highly debatable because far out speculation including bigfoot mainly happens during his correspondence with the community in the youtube videos and not the films) an idea immoral? Is equating missing persons research that fringes on the paranormal equivalent to founding an occult religion with Satanic overtones? Everyone on Cinemaphile pirates, his youtube revenue is nonexistant and these three films are all produced out of pocket, with very little profits. Don't pretend you're protecting people from a scam when everything can be watched for free, and nothing has been proven fraudulent. Especially not in the films. What a waste of time this thread is.
Don't cry.
And there is something that he said which is fraudulent, in one of the cases he claims a witness saw a "hairy humanoid" but the FBI report reveals that the guy actually said he saw a guy with long hair who got into a car.
Post it.
It's not my job to educate you.
I'm a sucker for this kinda stuff I love a good mystery. I remember the first ones being okay because there wasn't too much speculative stuff, but then they started to get really speculative with not a lot of evidence.
This one kinda sucked, the hunter that was abducted and said the Alien was called Ozo or something was so funny.
The skinwalker ranch documentary sucked too, 2 hours long but hardly any real content just lots of hearsay.
One of the documentaries I did like was that Netflix Unsolved mysteries case on Bigfoot and Skinwalkers was like the Navarro Rangers episode I think and some of the other UFO documentaries on Netflix are quire interesting too, and to be honest I am a good 75%+ convinced aliens are real, I find it hard to believe that so many people reporting similar phenomena are all wrong, love the cases involved groups of people and there's so many. I also find the folklore aspect of it interesting too where you look back in history and find reports of people interacting with alien like beings but called different things.
>The Skinwalker Ranch documentary sucked too, 2 hours long but hardly any real content just lots of hearsay.
Did he make a Skinwalker Ranch documentary? I'm not surprised it's just hearsay. Skinwalker Ranch is the biggest bit of bullshit in the whole paranormal sphere.
Fun obviously bullshit schizo-kino. I find it hilarious that all of the Missing 411 criteria are just "factors that obviously increase your risk of getting lost innawoods"
Okay so what if it IS sasquatch people who have been killing eating and disappearing humans since forever which is exactly what was always known about them until the modern era where people stopped listening to wild man reports?
And what if it IS aliens or some other civilization with advanced tech just snatching people on a whim like they are livestock?
Is there really some reason putting forth this possibility is so offensive?
You know what? I think it's actually clear now.
It's aliens and bigfoot.
STAND DOWN IMMEDIATELY
I think inbred familes picking off random hikers is more valid than Bigfoot but the connections between the cases is what makesi everything interesting. It's probably just inbred hillbillies or a serial killer who decided to go awol from society and lives in the woods
>411 threads on Cinemaphile and /x/ every single time
and no the skeptics aren't on the right, because you lot are strawmanning and ad homing everything. A real scientist unlike the armchair Dawkinses ITT would simply say "I don't know, we need more data" after looking at all this. You throwing shit like a monkey from your high horse isn't some high intellectualism, make no mistake. The people behind this project don't know what's happening and can't explain it, but you do? Without doing an iota of legwork? In order to actually debunk this you're going to need a team of experts and detectives, millions of dollars and years of work to re-investigate everything that's been presented.
>Ha Lois, that's a lot of baloney!
wow very smart
or just look at the actions of bears from around the world, and everything makes total sense
we need more data to support cyptid/alien based conclusions. existent data supports mundane/banal/animal conclusions.
>existent data supports mundane/banal/animal conclusions.
Name one case and explain how an animal is responsible.
the one where the kid was found on top of a sheer cliff face in cougar country
99.999% of this is fricking idiots underestimating a bears intelligence they are smart as all frick, APEX PREDATOR isn't just a term, it mans something
speaking about a film that you haven't watched should be a bannable offense or maybe you're 70 IQ
>people vanish in the woods
>it must be big foot
>not the environment, stupidity and predators
>no its big foot
yea ok bub
>oh man there's a cave here way off trail i wonder whats in it
>oh wow a bear was in it
vanish in the woods
Oh so people get lost and die in the woods? How could I have been so stupid thanks for solving the hundreds of mysteries all from the comfort of your home.
>you'll find they purposefully leave out crucial information
You mean purposefully leaving out crucial information like you just did?
>people get lost and die in the woods
Yes. There's a reason every decent trail has tons of signs telling you to not go off trail. You need training and knowledge to not get lost in "wilderness." Just like you need training/knowledge to cave dive. People think "oh I'll just go a little ways" or whatever, then they turn around and realize they don't know where they are. They pick what they think is "the right" direction and start walking, and now they're lost.
>You mean purposefully leaving out crucial information like you just did?
ask me how I know you're moronic
it takes 2 seconds to find information explaining detailed info that would help explain many of these reported cases
Am I saying that's applicable to all cases? No
weird shit can and does happen, but lol
Prove it then, prove how hundreds of cases are a big nothingburger if it takes two seconds.
>canines can't track
>near water
>weather event
canines aren't foolproof and have trouble tracking near/over water, after rain.
>found in area previously searched
if pauliedes was on the search he was looking for bigfoot, not the missing person.
>if pauliedes was on the search he was looking for bigfoot, not the missing person.
What a nonsense comment, what the frick does that have to do with regular search and rescue teams? You think Paulides was personally present for every single one and *that's* why the entire team was unable to find the person?
>what the frick does that have to do with regular search and rescue teams
its a joke about how paulieds or whatever has been banned from all search and rescue operations.
Source?
>if pauliedes was on the search he was looking for bigfoot, not the missing person.
This doesn't even work as a joke because he's not working as SAR on thousands of cases across the states and even other countries, he doesn't even talk about bigfoot in the films. This goes to show all you "skeptics" haven't even seen the film in question, but still you have the loudest mouths. Shame honestly. I don't know if you're stupid, trolling, or an actual agent.
okay paulides.
the point is about how search an rescue teams also aren't foolproof because people make errors, even if they aren't morons like paulides.
I've watched all 3 of these films with a pretty open mind
and if you do even the most bare minimum of research into the cases presented, you'll find they purposefully leave out crucial information that can otherwise explain the case fairly reasonably.
A disbelief in the unknown stems from a deeply rooted distrust in humanity.
>if you disregard all the weird stuff and imagine a bear did it, you'll actually find out that a bear did it
Deliberate shillful moronation. We all know what happens underground. I'm out.
Like what weird stuff?
also why are you pretending people are saying all cases were bear related?
I bet Bigfoot has an Xbox
>ITT: Interdimensional skinwalkers in the form of bigfoot on damage control
You guys are moronic. The simplest and most logical answer is usually the correct one and the simples and most logical answer is that the US park services allow certain people to disappear in national parks so that their organs can be harvested for the rich and powerful.
That's a neat movie idea actually
People underestimate how big the the US really is. Half of these people either got lost or an hero'd
>be american
>walk outside mcdonalds
>die of exposure
>people think they were probed to death by aliens
Nature bros we win again
I think you have to keep in mind that ultimately all of the details are relayed through police reports and any shoddy information or poor detective work can leave gaps that seem suspicious when it's really just a lack of information. Further these reports are then reported through a sieve by Paulides who is deliberately trying to portray them as a spooky. Not only that but people can just outright lie about their friends and family
Taking that into account a lot of these stories are less eerie than they appear, additionally it is not far fetched that pedophiles or murderers just operate in large parks and it isn't anything paranormal. Also, I think especially in cases regarding the old and children it is just evidence that mountain lions are more predatory towards humans than we realize
There may seem to be a few cases that still come off as weird but again it's more likely some mundane explanation for an outlier that's just been picked from thousands of cases
now I'm imagining a pedophile spending days hunkered down in a ghillie suit in a national park.
this, it's actually figboot hunkered down waiting for that shobussy
it's not impossible even a couple of people do this across the country would possibly be able to account for several of the more anomalous cases involving children.
>pick a certain day of the year where the park will be somewhat busy but not too busy.
>find an area a bit secluded but people will still walk by
>have an escape plan
>maybe even wait for a time where you know a storm will likely hit in a few hours hiding evidence
>chloroform and wait for parents to be distracted or kid to wander off on their own
>grab and escape
we know pedophiles exist and go to extreme lengths in some cases we do not know that bigfoot and/or other entities exist
>Bigfoot is a pedophile
Huh, didn't expect that
lazy conspiracy theory, but its interesting to see in real time how easy it is to bilk morons for money
>die alone in an extremely isolated area
What's weird about that
maybe i am a moron, but how the frick they can't find remains or you loss someone in today age? you have drones than can search for hours, helicopters, heat cameras, they make search parties that search for dozens of miles or even hundreds, is not like a fricking wolf/bear kill a man and teleport 1000 miles away in 2 days with the body and we are not in the 1800's
one explanation would be that the remains fall into cracks in the earth or caves
>maybe i am a moron
>but how the frick they can't find remains or you loss someone in today age?
There's no maybe about it, son.
you write like you're actually tango
surprised you didn't just say it were nonces
people go missing all the time and some are never found, not even in a "creepy" way
There was a case where a drunk kid crashed his car into the bank of a lake and drowned. The car was sitting there like 30 feet from from a residential road for 20 years until someone saw it on google earth.
Bullshit
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49677843
it's not even that rare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Erin_Foster_and_Jeremy_Bechtel
Serial killers:
>I'm going to meticulously plan and scout out areas to find the optimal place to hide the bodies and transport them at a time where I won't be noticed. With any luck they might stay unfound for over a year
Some drunk kid in a car after a party
>lmao hold my beer
it really do be that way. the problem with meticulous planning is its still your ass on the road in a car with a body then in the street trying to dump the body, but some kid running off the road and slamming into the blind side of a riverbank happens in a few seconds.
When I was six I got lost in Badlands National Park for like six hours. Let me tell you something, it was definitely fricking aliens.
This used to be cool to me until you learn how many were either solved, left out key details to make it seem more mysterious than it is, etc. And it's basically a grift by some guy who thinks bigfoot is a fairy or transdimensional spirit thing or some shit like that. It's cool if you just like a mystery and don't care how true they are or don't mind someone leaving out details like "kid was left alone for hours and ended up missing" and not "omg i turned around for le 1 second and poof they were le gone".
>it's basically a grift by some guy who thinks bigfoot is a fairy or transdimensional spirit thing or some shit like that
Is that what he thinks? Or is that what you say he thinks?
I'm certain at this point it is transdimensional bigfoot fairy aliens with the amount of hysteria in this thread alone about such an idea.
Finally the truth is known.
of course a paulides believer is also a fan of the unfunny AIDS-ridden curmudgeon
>scared of bigfoot AND triggered by redbar
DOUBLE FILTERED
why is that literally the only response that druggie gen-x burnouts like you have.
Your sentiments are shameful.
i believe the majority of 411 cases fall into the following 3 categories
>someone lying: parents don't want to appear negligent so they lie about how much attention they were paying to their child. i don't think it's a coincidence why mentally disabled children seem over-represented either: like how some people will abandon their dogs on some stretch of road i can easily see some parents bringing their severely autistic toddler to the parks and them "getting lost"
>people overestimate capabilities and underestimate the danger of the woods. not taking enough provisions, not being mindful of hazards like pitfalls that can twist/break an ankle, or straight up old people exerting themselves and keeling over off the beaten track. once exposure sets in, people start acting illogically doing things like paradoxical undressing, neatly stacking their clothes either out of familiar habit or a delusional belief they'll come back for the objects later
>some level of failure by involved parties including paulides doing his research. the police can make a mistake on a report, a search party could miss remains or not even be looking in the right area, or there's a plausible logical explanation, including news clippings showing that the person actually was found which paulides either didn't know about or omitted to fit a narrative
the remainder i believe to be foul play by criminal elements; either lone serial killers, violent local drug producers, or coming across CIA drug drops and being silenced
gnomes did it
Do you think there is some correlation between 411 and Smiley Faced Killers? It seems like there could be some kind of link here and there the major ones I've noticed are water is involved in both, and white athletic males are targeted. Then again there is no calling card behaviour like we see in the cities where they leave the smiley face behind at the scene of the crime