You know it is kind of an interesting coincidence that Batman and Superman mom's have the same first name.
You know it is kind of an interesting coincidence that Batman and Superman mom's have the same first name.
You know it is kind of an interesting coincidence that Batman and Superman mom's have the same first name.
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>let’s make that coincidence be the resolution for the titular main conflict! Audiences are gonna love this!
Snyder’s creative process
It's a connection that allows Batman to see him not as an invincible alien god but as a person who is trying to save as many people as he can. At that moment Clark is just some guy who wants to save his mom which batman can relate to since seeing his parents killed was the defining moment of his life.
It's an idea with potential, just executed in a goofy way.
should have been superman telling batman they have his mom, bruce has the flashback to his own parents death, lois tells him superman's name is clark kent and that lex is holding his mother hostage.
warehouse scene, bruce saves martha and calls her mrs kent, she says "you can call me martha", bruce pauses for a second and replies "that was my mother's name too"
Yes but it's dumb because their conflict:
>a) is based on mutual hypocrisy, both are killers who think the other shouldn't be allowed to kill with impunity
>b) has no evolution over the course of the film. There's no changing of opinions or forming of this murderous hatred. The only significant change that occurs in either of them before THIS MOMENT is that Clark didn't know who Bruce was, and then he did.
So to have ONE massive, pivotal moment in the story, instead of actual character development, and to hinge that epiphianic revelation on what is basically a bit of DC Comics trivia is... not good or smart, and was rightly ridiculed.
“Wtf this person I hate for being a walking wmd and a threat to humanity…has a mom??? Oh god I never even realised he might care about his mom, he’s human like me because he has a mom!”
“I mean yeah I kill other regular humans all the fricking time now and this guy is much more dangerous than them and none of this changes my reasoning that he’s a wmd and can’t be left alive…but he has a mom. None of those other guys I killed had Moms.”
yeah but he's a paranoid lunatic who built a roboman suit specifically to kill this one alien on the "1% chance" that he may not actually be a good alien, this is a total break with his established characterization
his first reaction would be "damn, space homie done read my mind to trick me"
Just learning he has a mom should have been enough for that realization and would have been more meaningful too. Or what, if her name didn't happen to be Martha he would have fricking killed him anyway?
It was also completely unnatural for Superman to say "he's going to kill Martha" because he has no reason to think Batman would know who the frick Martha is or that it would mean anything to him.
He already knew he had a mom, he literally taunts him with the idea of his parents being some douchebag ubermensches. In general you'd have to just rewrite so much more than just the interaction.
Superman's true mother was named Lara Lor-Van.
Lois Lane.
Lana Lang.
Lex Luthor.
Lori Lemaris
Lindsay Lohan
wait I thought Michael Keaton was Batman
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
Not that weird. Two comic book characters created independently in the late 30s both picked a long-standing popular (but not super popular) woman's name for a throw-away character.
A modern equivalent is Batgirl and Wonder Girl both being named Cassandra. Except here they were published by the same company, so it's even worse.
It followed the comics.
Source or you're stupid.
The comics didn't even name Superman's parents for the first 10 years, by which time they'd become Eben and Sarah and once Eben and Martha Kent; the comics named them John and Mary Kent. They didn't become Jonathan and Martha (via Marthe, no, really, his parents were almost Eben and Marthe because they're farmers from Bumfrick, Kansas) until the 1950s. They also died (usually of old age) in every retelling before the mid 1980s prior to him actually becoming Superman; John Byrne changed that for the reboot, but stole the idea from Richard Donner's Superman, which only killed Jonathan off.
Bill Finger seems to have named Martha Wayne, but not until 1948, 11 years after her death. She was rarely if ever named other than "Mrs Wayne" in non-comic media until the most recent adaptations.
he's technically correct, the best kind of correct
>via Marthe, no, really, his parents were almost Eben and Marthe because they're farmers from Bumfrick, Kansas
The Kansas origin wasn't a thing until the 70s movie. Snallville was everytown USA and the Kents had a store,
I bow to your superior knowledge of Superman
Yes and Bruce's father has the same name as Aquaman's dad.
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
Comic writers are hacks that copy each other.