You know remember that time when Fincher wanted to damage the legacy of a man who died decades ago and still lost
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You know remember that time when Fincher wanted to damage the legacy of a man who died decades ago and still lost
The Trial is better than anything Fincher has ever made
Everything Welles made is miles better than anything Fincher can make.
JFC, talk about delusional hubris.
Haven't seen everything of Orsen. But can guarantee you that citizen kane sucks ass. Might have been a good movie back then. But it does not pass the test of time.
>hasn't seen it
>thinks it's shit
All of Welles' films show an innate understanding about the truth of the human condition, deeply in-tune with humanity, unlike Fincher, who seems so caught up in the technical elements of filmmaking as to not even care he needs to put actors in front of a camera to tell a story. Benjamin Button is a nothingburger, it has nothing to say about the human condition or genuine human emotions, it's literally about nothing, it's a glorified special effects tech demo for almost three hours.
Basically: Fincher is Reddit, Orson Welles is Cinemaphile.
Fincher is fine for entertainment, but he's not an artist like Welles. Hilarious that he would accuse him of being delusional.
ORSON WELLES
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Pain and Gain is a masterpiece
Unironically. Theres not another movie like pain and gain, featuring the best performances of all three leads.
Dont know where all the hate for it comes from, or why people consider The Rock to be Bay´s magnus oppus
No critic wanted to give Bay's film a good review. They were chicken shit
if they didn't know it was a Bay film it would have scored a lot higher
Yeah I wasn't joking when I said it was a masterpiece.
Pain and Gain is a film that examines American culture and how greed leads us to become monsters.
A large part of homosexual redditors (Chris Stuckmann or RLM come to mind) hated the movie because according to them "It was not faithful to the events that happened in real life", but those same redditors did nothing more than hide behind that excuse because praising Michael Bay for an excellent movie was unthinkable for them.
Daniel Lugo is a serious examination of people who have fictional people from tv or cinema as idols. Lugo names Scarface, Rocky and "the Godfather characters" as heroes or inspirations.
>Chris Stuckmann or RLM come to mind
I genuinely lost a fair bit of respect for RLM after their Pain and gain episode. Their whole critisism of the movia was literally "The characters are unlikable, this is clearly a flaw rather than a deliberate decision by the director"
But yeah, genuinely great satire and great production value on it, my favorite from Bay in all honesty
Still holding hope for the killer. Even tho Mank was a total dud and the fact that he hast made a truly grat film since the social network
Remember when he made that Mank bullshit that everyone forgot about instantly? What a hack
Somebody fed this guys ego too much. It aint like Fincher understands real life too. His movies are shiny facades and not too diffrent from his time directing music videos.
Orson never made a movie that continued on for 40 minutes even after the story ended
Fincher belongs in jail for making so many innocent people sit through Benjamin Button
Proof Orson was a true chad that betas are still seething about him almost 40 years after his death. He lives rent-free in every lesser directors' head that knows they will never be Orson's equal.
Fact.
Who the frick does this guy think he is?
inb4 mwah the french
>MWWAAAH the cuck Fincher has always been overrated for his piss-colored slop.
Orson Wells had more talent in a single hair than Fincher has in his whole body
Is this why he lied about real events in Mank?
Did they mention in Mank that Welles basically ripped of an author called Claude Houghton? The whole idea of citizen kane being seen through others eyes is based on one of his books.
Fincher has not made a single good movie
This dude is personal friends with Zack fricking Snyder. Maybe he should be saying that about his pal.
Touch of Evil > Zodiac
>Zodiac
I like fincher but Zodiac is fricking failure that somehow has become a modern classic. The characters arent that interesting or well defined and the pacing is like watching paint dry. The only interesting parts are the recreations of the murders.
I liked the movie but it could have used more focus and the unnecessary cgi really looked like crap.
I don't agree.
Graysmith's obsession is very refined, and his tinfoil hat dot connecting scenes are great. The basement scene is peak tension building and is still probably the most unnerving thing Fincher ever filmed.
the basement scene and the flat tire sequence were great
BUT the problem I have with a lot of Fincher stuff is that a lot of the film just meanders about. Though a lot of modern films have bad editing
>Graysmith's obsession is very refined, and his tinfoil hat dot connecting scenes are great
Not really. Watch The Conversation or Memories of Murder for better movies about obsession and paranoia. Gyllenhaal is a bit cartoonish but without the material to match it. The characters in Memories are exaggerated but it works because they are bumbling cops. Jake is just an onlooker who suddenly thinks hes on top of the case when he has no place in it.
I watched both of those, and the point still stands. His obsession is primarily led by both RDJ guilt tripping him into perusing and his ego telling him that he is the only one who can see the Zodiac matrix and the cops are just no match to Allen, which is very stereotypically reflected in his family life. He is not the first moronic writer who built his career by convincing himself they were smarter than police. Just look at the Ripperologists. It's very well-crafted, and the progression from mild interest in solving the cipher to "come look at my basement for evidence from like 10 years ago" is also congruent to the whole narrative of obsessing over serial killer lore. The year-by-year shift of the police just moving on while he still pretends he is just one clue away from confirming it is what makes the movie.
nah the movie is p good man and scarier tension building than 90% of horror movies. but i guess thats more an indictment how horror is absolute shiet
Know your place fincher, if flicks like fight club and seven is your peak, you dont have any rights to criticize any cine director
David Fincher's best movie is Alien 3 due to the fact that he had to work his ass off to make it work in the face of a losing battle. Meanwhile all the rest of his movies are soulless, overproduced schlock.
Was Orson wells antisemitic? Fincher made a film about the israeli writer of Citizen Kane. The script of CK is absolute dogshit. The only value of the movie is the visuals and sets.
He didn't like Woody Allen...maybe that makes you anti semitic
I totally am
>Was Orson wells antisemitic?
Far from it. Dude was a typical Hollywood pinko.
AHHHHHHHH the Finch
SHAM PAIN
Fincher is overattached to the view of his father (who wrote the overwrought, historically inaccurate Mank script).
Also: despite being a very good director, in a theoretical directors' pecking order Fincher would be walking Welles's dogs or shining his shoes.
NOBODY under 40 would get this reference.
My mom made it for me
Dead fat man that became a commercial shill in the last years of his fat life
His commercials antics are more memorable than any Fincher film
Because he was a drunken fat mess that people laughed at. More memorable than any of his films besides Citizen Reddit
Ok, Fincher. Keep sucking big Netflix wiener, you soulless washed homosexual.
The Killer sucked
It was literally to scrounge up enough money to finish 'The Other Side of The Wind', it wasn't about shilling, it was Welles trying to finish his final film.
Everything Welles did was to make money for his next film
PURE SOUL
Fincher would probably go cry and give up if some studio didn't pony up a few million for his flicks
damn, how will orson welles respond to such slander? we all wait with bated breath
Kind of grew out of Fincher once edgelords died out harder than disco..
>once edgelords died out harder than disco..
They moved on to Christopher Nolan.
>i just do whatever everyone else is doing
worthless.
I agree to a point. The thing that really ruined Welles was the many ham sandwiches he inhaled and the alcoholism.
Orson was a decent looking guy. its too bad he couldn't control his eating
Many such cases.
David Fincher makes flicks for edgy teenagers and white women obsessed with serial killers.
Never made a kino in his life, his most acclaimed flick is an orange biopic about Mark Zuckerberg starring fricking Jesse Eisenberg.
His Irish accent was dodgy and the basic "plot" was weird (the guy faked his death and wanted Orson to admit to it? I can't really remember what happened)
but that aquarium scene and that final chase is pure cinema
David who
You all forget that he literally scared the shit out of the entire east-coast of the US. He knew what he did was epic.
Orson Welles is an all time great. A larger than life figure and a holllywood icon
David Fincher is just a good director
MUAAAAAHHHH The Frincher films have always been celebrated for their excellence
>The Killer
>pop music over a badass assassin obsessed with his craft
He will be making this slick, cool schlock for the rest of his life, forever trapped by what was cool in 1999. He is a talented photographer but I can't think of a major auteur who has less to say about actual humanity than Fincher.
Not only pop music, it's the fricking Smiths. He's an eternal Xoomer.