You know what makes this the worst?
We can't get a fricking straight answer as to WHY they changed her powers. So we just have to assume the worst.
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You know what makes this the worst? We can't get a fricking straight answer as to WHY they changed her powers.
Are you really that dense?
They wanted to drum up brand recognition of the Inhumans both as a concept and as a faction since it's been a few years that they'd been pushed, so they instructed all of the shill sights to push bullshit quotes about how Kamala's powers were being changed, only to swerve back (we are here) to reveal: no, she was an Inhuman all along! This trinket is just modified kree tech to activate her Inhuman powers in a roundabout way.
The whole point of this drama was to brute force convo about the Inhumans again and it succeeded.
No one‘s talking about inhumans tho
Black Bolt in MOM did more to bring back conversation about inhumans then whatever fricking dumb conspiracy theory your peddling
Probably a budget issue.
actual interesting theory of mine here
they did it because test audiences didnt like big brown hands. I swear im onto something with this. but im glad since the live action luffy is never gonna be ofuscated by marvel now.
How is the most obvious answer to everyone not "The cg of her stretchy/growing powers looked like shit so they went with this"
Probably cheaper too, they just have to have the actress wave her hands around instead of fully CGing her for some scenes
You should probably actually read through the thread before posting, anon. Both of those points have already been addressed.
>I never said Reed had anything to do with it ...
>Anyone with eyes can see how gross Kamala's powers would look in live action
The point is that we all know they're doing Reed Richards (heck, they already did a tiny bit of him in the recent Dr Strange). You can't say "stretching heroes would look too weird for them to use" when we already know that they're about to start using a stretching hero.
More versatile, less likely to look like shit in live action, and it makes for a higher power ceiling so that she's not out of place in Captain Marvel 2.
Let's be real, if they kept the comic accurate powers they were absolutely NEVER going to use it to do anything fetishistic, which is the reason we care in the first place. We're talking about the same cowards that told the CG artist to tone down She Hulk's muscle and you think they'd let Kamala inflate or whatever?
Her ties to Captain Marvel is surface level at best; it's really in in name only, if she was called called Ms. Fantastic her powers, normal life would be no different only to who she would meet up with.
She's only named Ms. Marvel so that Marvel can keep the trademark "Ms. Marvel"
>Her ties to Captain Marvel is surface level at best; it's really in in name only
I agree. Which is why changing her powers to be more cosmic in tone helps fix that.
>same cowards that told the CG artist to tone down She Hulk's muscle
have a nice day homosexual. They made her sexier and you’re sitting here acting like it’s a bad thing. Thicc She-Hulk is a fricking head canon and Aaron’s she-hulk was literally just hulk with breasts because he wanted to use hulk and was told no. Frick you and I hope you die.
>Not liking Cho's proper Amazon Jen
Disney is doing stick mode and you are a sad tasteless thing for defending it
>just give her generic Green Lantern hard light powers
if they were so preoccupied about the stretching powers looking weird, giving her a full bodysuit would have been a decent compromise.
Not like Green Lantern is doing anything with them in the movies, and no one gives a frick about Quasar.
They gave you a straight answer, you just don't want to believe it.
Let's be real here, there's next to zero reason for Carol and Monica to drag her along into all this cosmic warfare and SWORD stuff. They changed it in what is likely an attempt to make her relevant to those cosmic characters. Oh wow now Kamala has space powers and something something like Shang Chi or whatever that Carol was investigating.
I hope the rumors about these powers being changed by the end of her show are true, even if she doesn't actually get her polymorph abilities. There's something so fricking boring about wanting to have heroes with "matching" powers. Who the frick wants that? I want heroes with massively different power sets, so we can see all the fun and creative ways they blend them together in action set pieces. Having three heroes who fire generic blue/red light from their bodies is lame as frick.
What's her new power? Green lantern?
Budget, and to not edge in on Reed Richards' turf as the one that does body stretching since they probably believe audiences will be confused, not that I can blame them for believing audiences can be that stupid.
There are two reasons. To make her less goofy and gross and to save on their VFX budget.
I'm more concerned they have her save the world already. Let her fight some street level villains first.
>Let her fight some street level villains first.
Yeah see that's never happening. They would mean giving her more seasons or her own movie. She basically has to hit the ground running and save the world.
Why though?? Isn't it enough to save New Jersey from a mad inventor or some tracksuit ninja's?
Everyone here is just stating the reasons like OP asked. Nobody is trying to justify the changes.
>and to save on their VFX budget
It's fricking Disney and the MCU, they have made gorillions of dollars, do they really need to skimp on budgets?
it doesn't matter if she's still inhuman or not.
she still punches villains with big fists. they're just connecting her powers to her family's history.
I don't like how they're not adapting the teenage subplots very well. Bruno is fricking leaving, Nakia is trying to change the mosque and Zoe is not gay and Kamala doesn't have time to deal with that.
I like that they give the whole part in Karachi more meaning and make it less of a sudden detour.
But yeah, the whole teenager stuff just seems to disappear so quickly, which is a shame.
Hope we see more of her and Nakia being legit pals (I loved how Nakia crashlanded onto the bed like only your beastie does) and Bruno's angsting around Kamala.
Zoe will likely not be getting much attention at all, so maybe in a second season?
Yeah they really did their best to piss away over a years worth of stories into 6 episodes, for really no benefit at all. It should have been one season of her playing around with her powers and family/friends stuff, the second of her learning the origins and going to Pakistan and shit, and they should have held off on meeting Carol until her third movie.
I like how there are some people here justifying the energy projection powers when a lot of people fricked off from watching the show because they wanted to see her doing her stretchy stuff like she does everywhere else.
They're justifying it because they're peak consoomers and will rationalize every idiot show Feige shits
>a lot of people
who? You and ten other inflation fetishes'?
The Captain Marvels are (mostly) all cosmic-powered, it just makes sense for their kid sidekick to be as well
That game where she's the main character
Her show
What's her third strike going to be?
The show is her third strike, she already had Marvel's Rising and the other Avengers cartoons.
I don't think she's a bad character and I like her, she just gets shitty projects to appear in.
They also have this weird issue that she's supposed to be a full on Muslim, but she supports stuff that that Muslim countries would stone people to death for.
She's a muslim in the way most christians are christian in the US.
Well, there seem to be a number of American Christians who are indeed rabid theocrats trying to bring upon their vision of the end times, and the Republicans have adopted them as their voting base.
The Muslim equivalent to that would be Iran, I guess?
Anyway, Kamala is a liberal Muslim girl steeped in American metropolitan culture and feminist thought.
And nobody gets to nuh-uh the validity of her religion.
>They also have this weird issue that she's supposed to be a full on Muslim
No she isn't, she was never supposed to be. The creator was very specific about wanting their family to be a fairly standard American-muslim, they're not supposed to be die-hard about it. They even make jokes about it - at the start of the books, Kamala's brother wants to become an Imam, and their father says he should forget it because there's no money in it, and he thinks he's just using it as an excuse to be lazy and avoid getting a real job. Nakia's family wishes she didn't bother wearing her hijab. And so on, there are loads of details like this throughout the books. They even do some of it in the show - the scene where Kamala's dad sneaks "forbidden" snacks at Bruno's convenience store for example.
As
said, Kamala's family is muslim in the same way that most "christian" families in the US are christian. That was a big part of Wilson's vision for the character.
My homie have you seen the show? They changed her powers because her original powers would not have looked like her skin was stretching at all with the CGI budget, it would have looked like she was conjuring up some kind of construct regardless
more like Ms. Milkers amirite hahaha I'm thirsty mommy
They didn't want her powers to be goofy
They need her to have powers that make her capable of teaming up with Captain Marvel.
What's wrong with them being goofy?
Ms. MArvel is a goofy character. That's part of her charm.
They can't have such an "important" character stay a funny diversion. She needs to be made into a full Avenger and able to fight alongside Thor and Hulk!
Stretchy powers = body horror
Sparkly powers = MLP fans watching
It doesn't take a genius to figure out. Her powers would look fricking weird in live action and they'd be encroaching on Reed Richards' and Lang's powers
How do you people manage to cream so many weirdly contradictory thoughts into the same sentence.
>Those powers would look too weird to use in live action ... but also they're planning on using those powers in live action on another hero
>They don't want her powers encroaching on other heroes powers ... so they changed them to more closely match the powers of other existing heroes she'll be teaming up with
>How do you people manage to cream
Your mom helps us out, anon
This.
She's too similar to Reed (despite there being like three speedsters now)... so they made her more similar to Captain Marvel and Photon?
Audiences are always more willing to accept multiple instances of generic powers (read minds, go fast, be strong, shoot color etc) than weird looking or really specific ones.
we don't know because they didn't even fricking try
> We can't get a fricking straight answer as to WHY they changed her powers
Inhumans don't exist in the regular MCU and Black bolt appearing in another universe does not count.
She didn't HAVE to be an inhuman to shapeshift.
The movies had Toby Mcguire poop out his webbing and it was less of a departure than what they did to Kamala
To make her visually fit in with the rest of the Marvel family more, and so she wouldn't step on Mr. Fantastic's toes when they re-introduced him.
It's not complicated anon.
I miss Edison.
They already said it in multiple interviews that it was easier to adapt. Plus they can tie it into their alt dimension bullshit
Conspiracy theory. Anyone notice that Wilson doesn't do any interviews and it's all Sana talking for saying that she totally agrees with all the changes
Two things that keeps coming up.
1. She doesn't have to be inhuman to have her comic powers. The change is clearly for a different reason
2. Her new powers are not anymore connected to her culture/history than her old ones. They immediately dispelled that she is a Djinn of Pre-islamic mythology. It's just the same family member had some weird alien shit background.
Somehow blaming the inhumans or saying it's to play to her heritage both come up as excuses for the change.
>plan on introducing Fantastic 4 in the near future
>already greenlit a show featuring a stretchy polymorph character from the comics
>forced to change up her powers because studios thing audiences are dumb and can’t handle 2 hero characters with the same powers around at the same time.
I mean Reed looked fine in MOM
dont stretch? won't watch
They change it because frick you. You want faithful adaptations of works you like? FRICK YOU. FRICK YOU FOREVER. Here's Adam Sandler as Wolverine. Don't like it? Frick you, Rob Schneider is Cyclops now, because frick you we can. One more word out of you and Andy Dick is the new Charles Xavier. They do it to make a point: that they can shit all over everything you love, everyone else will eat it up, and there isn't a GODDAMN THING you can do about it.
Because One Piece is bigger than she could ever hope to be and they know not to try and compare her to that.
>Because One Piece is bigger than she could ever hope to be and they know not to try and compare her to that.
>thread probably made by Disney interns to try and farm outrage
>or perhaps they want genuine feedback, it happens
>everyone rightfully points out that they aren't watching the show because they changed her powers
If those Disney interns ARE reading, make her fricking stretch and I'll marathon the entire MCU shit I've missed, including TV shows.
It's because her powers are fricking gross. Superhero's need to be visually appealing and Kamala's instill instant revulsion in most normies.
>she puts some gloves on
solved
Because stretchy powers are very difficult to make look good even with a full movie budget, it would've looked like the jankiest shit imaginable on a streaming budget. It's really not that difficult to figure out.
I dont understand, I thought pic related was Ms Marvel?
You thought wrong chud, you're on the wrong side of history
It's already been 10 years since Carol is Captain Marvel.
I don't understand. This thread has been up for days already and nobody has posted any webms from the show.
Like this?
She's cute!
So cute that I'ma let you have her. No arguing about who's waifu she is at all. She's all yours, anon.
Live action Kamala isn't lanky enough and doesn't have a big enough nose, it's shit
She's so fricking rad bros
because big fleshy hands are disgusting
I think you mean "arousing".
A few theories:
>the D+ shows are low budget and CW tier. Energy powers is far cheaper than convincing body morphing CGi
>they likely want to make her powers seems related to captain marvel. Both are energy based powers...it's a stretch
>they prob dont want to tread on Reed
>the D+ shows are low budget and CW tier. Energy powers is far cheaper than convincing body morphing CGi
I would have assumed this too, especially if it were a show like Hawkeye which did genuinely have embarrassing CGI at times (eg. the goop arrow, the inflatable bag arrow). But Ms Marvel seemingly has a pretty decent budget behind it, and they've been going over-the-top with a lot of the post-production work. The energy constructs are obviously still cheaper/easier than realistic body-morphing, but it doesn't seem like they're being budget avoidant with this show. This may have been *a* factor, but it's hard to imagine it being the main one.
>they prob dont want to tread on Reed
This is obviously unrelated. For starters, they've directly confirmed that this wasn't a factor. But moreover, they've still made her powers do most of the stretchy actions, so it's still "treading on" Reed's powers but with a glowing blue paintjob. Thirdly, plenty of the heroes in the MCU have similar/identical powers, this has never been a problem in the past. Fourthly, the argument is that they changed her powers because they didn't want them to be too similar to a different hero (which doesn't exist yet) ... and they did it by making her powers similar to a different hero (which does already exist)? That logic doesn't work. Whatever the reason for the power change, this clearly wasn't it.
>they likely want to make her powers seems related to captain marvel. Both are energy based powers...it's a stretch
This one has always made the most sense. Kamala's whole deal is that she's a big Captain Marvel fan girl, and they clearly wanted to have her interact more with Carol in the MCU. But their power sets never made much sense together, which has long been a point of confusion in the comics. The two characters barely even have anything to do with each other in the comics, probably partly for this reason (Kamala isn't exactly a cosmic-level hero). So if they went in from day one thinking they were going to be more direct in pairing up Kamala and Carol in the MCU, it makes sense that they'd want to tweak things a bit to match up their power sets.
Are there any pair-ups where the two partner heroes are as different as "superwoman and elastic girl"? Iron Man and War Machine have similar abilities. Ant-Man and Wasp. Dr Strange and Wong. The Guardians are all pretty similar. Captain America, Bucky, and Falcon are all pretty punchy/shooty. Black Widow and Yelena. Hawkeye and Kate Bishop (even Hawkeye and Black Widow are pretty comparable when they were buddies). Loki and Sylvie. Thor and Loki/Valkyrie. Hulk and She-Hulk. Even weirder ones like Wanda and Vision are kinda similar. But Captain Laserpunch and Elastic Girl?
The MCU is a corporate entity. And there's nothing a corporation loves more than the word "synergy". My guess is that their goal was simply to create a CaptainMarvelized Kamala.
>they don’t want to tread on Reed
I know enough has been said on why having two people with similar powers shouldn’t be a problem for the MCU. But I always like to bring up the MCU has
>3 people who wear high tech power armor
>Multiple American and Russian super soldiers, both men and women
>2 expert marksmen
>A giant muscular green guy soon to be joined by giant muscular green woman
>2 Size shifters soon to be joined by a third
>a hammer wielding norse god soon to be joined by a hammer wielding norse goddess who is going to go by the same name
>Three Spider-Men with the exact same name and origin
>Two magic practitioners
And no one has any problem with one treading on another
To add to this, two things:
1) Nobody gives a flying frick about Reed Richards. The only knowledge the general public has about him are those shitty 2000s Fantastic Four movies, and the train-wreck from the last decade that everyone has already forgotten. He's not some beloved character by the average movie-goer, nobody cares to "respect" his powers.
2) It wouldn't even matter, because his powers are only one of four in the Fantastic Four. Even if you tread on ElasticBoy, you still have FireBoy, InvisibleGirl and RockBoy to round out the team's variety. Also, isn't The Thing kinda similar to the Hulk in terms of "powers"? Uh oh, better change his powers too! And wait, doesn't Sue Storm create energy force fields ... kinda like Kamala's new powers? Golly gosh! The fan theory is that they removed Kamala's iconic powers so as to not tread on a Fantastic Four member ... and instead give her powers that are similar to another Fantastic Four member?
So they're not going to give Reed Richards his standard powers, right? I mean, if the only reason they're not doing Kamala's polymorph powers is because it'd look too weird, that means they're not going to do them with other characters ... right? invincible_think_meme.jpg
>So they're not going to give Reed Richards his standard powers, right? I mean, if the only reason they're not doing Kamala's polymorph powers is because it'd look too weird, that means they're not going to do them with other characters ... right? invincible_think_meme.jpg
They're probably not going to have him stretching his uncovered fleshly parts around.
Reeds powers already look fricking weird in live action and thanks to the marvel game we know for a fact that Kamala's powers look even actually disgusting.
Kamala's costume covers almost all of her skin too, this isn't an issue. You're telling me that they thought it was better to totally change her iconic powers, instead of just ... giving her gloves? None of these arguments work.
The only logical explanation - which has already been explicitly stated by Marvel - is that Reed Richards simply wasn't a consideration when it came to changing Kamala's powers.
I never said Reed had anything to do with it in fact I doubt the people who made the show even now who he is. Anyone with eyes can see how gross Kamala's powers would look in live action
>Iconic
C'mon now
They want to make a female muslim green lantern. that's the reason.
Because it'd look fricking weird and gross dipshit, what do you think?
couldnt turn into a tricycle so went with other powers
>IT WASN'T IN THE BUDGEEEEET
elongated man was in CW Flash
And all things considered his powers didn’t look that gross
I feel like everyone in this thread is ignoring the fact that Kamala doesn't just stretch she embiggens which looks completely different.
The vast majority of the time she's just stretching her limbs in an elastic way, has enlarged fists for punching, or has grown herself to giant size. The latter two are sometimes combined. The first looks pretty similar to Mr Fantastic, and the latter two shouldn't be any big problem visually (eg. they already do the growth stuff with Ant-Man). It's super rare that she actually uses her polymorph powers to do anything properly weird (eg. stretching her body flat like a sheet), so they wouldn't have to worry about doing anything else with it. Maybe they could do something weird for a silly set piece, but otherwise the comics just treat her as a Mr Fantastic and Ant-Man combo.
When Giant-Man grows he's covered head to toe, uniform and helmet, that is so much easier to render with CGI, same when he shrinks. Wasp, Yellowjacket, Hank and Janet too. They don't have to worry about Uncanny Valley with any of them
Kamala's embiggening would include a giant brown face, flesh colored giant fists
Can they do on a TV show? Even one with the budget of a movie?