If I were in charge of Star Wars I would try to get the old fans back as well. They are waiting to be baited back with a sliver of hope. It would be easier and cheaper than to create new fans. It's just that Disney is going about it the wrong way.
>They(old fans) are waiting to be baited back with a sliver of hope
No i'm not. I've completely lost all faith and more importantly joy from this series.
I recoil in disgust every time something new from this series even appears.
How do you even do that? I was a try hard that worshiped the series for decades and in a span of 4 years i became utterly disgusted with Star Wars
For the first time I looked at it and felt ashamed i ever enjoyed the it in the first place.
And this was even when Ewan Mcgregor went and said star wars fans needed to get a life for saying "may the force be with you" to him around Attack of the clones.
Funny how years later he came crawling back and asked for a job.
>And this was even when Ewan Mcgregor went and said star wars fans needed to get a life for saying "may the force be with you" to him around Attack of the clones. >Funny how years later he came crawling back and asked for a job.
Supposedly, seeing the people who grew up with the prequels start to personally express their appreciation as young adults has had a big effect on the two of them over the years.
wasn't a Kenobi movie starring him planned basically from the jump before they kitbashed it into a tv series
Yup thats what he wanted, and this was around the time of his divorce so maybe he needed the cash. I don't know. He always struck me as someone with conviction so him basically asking Kennedy and Disney for a reduced role was kinda disappointing.
And of course the show itself was shit
The bitter fans want to see Star Wars returned to it's former glory more than they want to see it dead. They will flock back if Disney replaces Kennedy with a guy who will make antagonizing statements about her. Because that will give people hope that Disney admits it fricked up and the new guy knows what the frick up was.
Retcon the sequels, have George as a consultant until he croaks, and use Mando as the basis for a new post-ROTJ canon. I'll never be a die hard fan again, but I can see myself being more interested.
Also, more of the shows and seasons need to be on home video like they're doing with seasons 1-2 of Mando later this year. Physical media is a huge part of Star Wars' history as a brand and it should not be neglected.
If I were in charge I'd straight up disown anything under Kennedy by openly saying it never happened. It was a Force nightmare Luke had one night. And I would keep calking it a nightmare in interviews to drive the point that it was terrible to watch. I would also quietly memoryhole Rebels by never referencing it ever again, and probably the Tortuga species too. Then depending on how pressed I was to succeed I would either have KOTOR made into a show or I would make a series about an imperial battlegroup going around and trying to bring back into the fold as much of the crumbling Empire as possible. Instead of deserts and humans in rubber masks, the series would partially take place in alien biomes and the aliens would be more animalistic. Like xenomorphs, fish people and sentient jungles. The series would build up to the setting of my sequel trilogy. A Republic and an Empire who are not at peace but who aren't currently strong enough to go on all out war with eachother.
which ones? there is no retconning the newest trilogy. it's garbage and it has to go altogether. there was already an expanded universe. disney wants to stay cheap and not pay royalties but if they'd sat the frick down and hammered out details and getting the story right so there aren't as many or any plot holes and contradictions, would these problems exist now? is it not the case that royalty fees to authors and comic writers would be cheaper than the losses of the shitty ass fricking newest trilogy?
No they weren't.
I'm sick of this cope by millenials. The prequels sucked and always sucked. That doesn't mean the Sequels were good either. Hell even ROTJ fails on multiple levels and is only pulled through by Luke and Vader's arcs. I swear it won't be long till a bunch of homosexuals start nostalgia wanking to the sequel trilogy as a misunderstood masterpiece.
>cope by millennials
listen, i know the script was trash, we know that some of the lines are awful, but you know what? there were good light saber battles and there was a fricking coherent intent for the message, and the plot had an actual fricking goal.
Retcon the sequels, have George as a consultant until he croaks, and use Mando as the basis for a new post-ROTJ canon. I'll never be a die hard fan again, but I can see myself being more interested.
Also, more of the shows and seasons need to be on home video like they're doing with seasons 1-2 of Mando later this year. Physical media is a huge part of Star Wars' history as a brand and it should not be neglected.
The die hard part of me is dead even if george takes back the helm but at the very least i'd give a shit again. >Also, more of the shows and seasons need to be on home video like they're doing with seasons 1-2 of Mando later this year.
The frick? Why? >pic related
Man they could have really went some where with Ventress and Kenobi
>The frick? Why?
Disney is hemorrhaging money, from D+, anon. WandaVision, Loki, and Mando s1 and 2 are getting Blu-ray and 4k physical steelbook releases.
8 months ago
Anonymous
oh, i thought you meant you wanted more D+ which was hemorrhaging money.
If I were in charge I'd straight up disown anything under Kennedy by openly saying it never happened. It was a Force nightmare Luke had one night. And I would keep calking it a nightmare in interviews to drive the point that it was terrible to watch. I would also quietly memoryhole Rebels by never referencing it ever again, and probably the Tortuga species too. Then depending on how pressed I was to succeed I would either have KOTOR made into a show or I would make a series about an imperial battlegroup going around and trying to bring back into the fold as much of the crumbling Empire as possible. Instead of deserts and humans in rubber masks, the series would partially take place in alien biomes and the aliens would be more animalistic. Like xenomorphs, fish people and sentient jungles. The series would build up to the setting of my sequel trilogy. A Republic and an Empire who are not at peace but who aren't currently strong enough to go on all out war with eachother.
I don't even hate Kennedy that much but holy frick does everything she touch just collapses in on itself. Everyones allowed a shit movie now and again. But when you have 4/5 being bad its time for some self reflection. > It was a Force nightmare Luke had one night.
Thats just being needlessly cruel just call it an alternative universe. > A Republic and an Empire who are not at peace but who aren't currently strong enough to go on all out war with eachother.
Going to need more than a trilogy for that. Don't get me wrong its a good idea. People love that kind of setting.
But we're talking 6 episodes minimum. > I would either have KOTOR made into a show or I would make a series about an imperial battlegroup going around and trying to bring back into the fold as much of the crumbling Empire as possible
I like the imperial battlegroup idea, but i dont see it appealing to anyone but the old fans.
Star wars anime has really made finding this vid a b***h
No they weren't.
I'm sick of this cope by millenials. The prequels sucked and always sucked. That doesn't mean the Sequels were good either. Hell even ROTJ fails on multiple levels and is only pulled through by Luke and Vader's arcs. I swear it won't be long till a bunch of homosexuals start nostalgia wanking to the sequel trilogy as a misunderstood masterpiece.
I saw them all around the same time frame. The prequels didn't suck but they required so much prerequisite knowledge to enjoy it.
You had to understand Caesar, Octavian, and Cicero to understand the tragedy of what was happening
Look at this speech, its pitifully obvious Palpatine is evil and yet he says it such a way that if you didn't know he was a sith you would have clapped along.
Decades of war had made it so that people just wanted peace even if it meant being slaves.
A clear parallel is drawn between this and Octavian and Caesars power grab for power.
And seeing that scene and rewatching the previous episodes you understand the long con thats been played.
In no way is phantom menace slow as it is even remotely near the same level as solo.
Or the Clone Wars being as bad as the last jedi
8 months ago
Anonymous
Gr8 b8
8 months ago
Anonymous
its not bait.
>You had to understand Caesar, Octavian, and Cicero to understand the tragedy of what was happening
Jesus fricking christ keep coping you dumb frickwit. The politics of the prequels only have the most barebone relations to the roman empire that you need to make sweeping generalizations to make it work. There's no moment that acts as an allegory for Caesar's assassination, no characters that represent the senate or Brutas, and certainly no characters that represent the Triumvirate. Those videos you linked are the peak representation of pseudo intellectualism and you're the biggest midwit in this fricking thread.
> you need to make sweeping generalizations to make it work.
Do we though. We have a corrupt senate unable to agree on anything, a war that saw palpatine enact the star wars equivalent of the marian reforms with him being in control of the army.
Who the frick is talking about Caesars assassination? This is about Caesar ceasing power with his constant warmongering > no characters that represent the senate
Padmé and Organa were the obvious ones though obviously nowhere near cicero's level >Triumvirate
You stupid c**t, i only mentioned Caesar and Ocatvian because they were the most manipulative sons of b***hes. Especially Ocatvian as he gathered power slowly step by step
Frick off you dimwitted c**t.
Nothing worse than a no nothing know it all.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>We have a corrupt senate unable to agree on anything
That's so generalized that it could literally apply to the current US senate. >a war that saw palpatine enact the star wars equivalent of the marian reforms with him being in control of the army.
When did Caesar work both sides of a conflict to gain control of the government and more importantly when was he assassinated by his own adopted son and confidante? Or is there a scene where Anakin works with the Senate to kill Palpatine? >Who the frick is talking about Caesars assassination? This is about Caesar ceasing power with his constant warmongering
Caesar NEVER BECAME EMPEROR like holy shit this is basic history, how can you compare Palpatine with Caesae when they are absolutely different kinds of people. >Padmé and Organa were the obvious ones though obviously nowhere near cicero's level
Those two never conspired to kill Palpatine
You're response was nothing but fricking generalizations you moron. Get off your high horse. Any terrible movie can be made into a work of art if you grasp at long enough straws.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh frick off you disingenuous c**t, i knew you were a moron larping like you had any knowledge of rome when so bare fricking bones with your answers and this proves it >When did Caesar work both sides of a conflict to gain control of the government
The fricking war financed his political career you dumb piece of shit, he also promised the nobility of Gaul citizenship and places in the senate if they followed him and chose to fight for him instead of Gaul.
He kept his words and made them senators who all voted for whatever he fricking wanted afterwards.
Of course being dumb frick you probably never knew about that did you you miserable cretin. > Caesar ceasing power
WHO FRICK SAID HE DID you blind dumb c**t. It was him ceasing power with political machinations him rewriting the constitution to fit his every whim you history illiterate moron.
And you not knowing the war where he looted and plundered to get himself rich and using said riches to buy off senators and create new ones just tells me the kind of illiterate piece of shit you truly are. >Those two never conspired to kill Palpatine
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There proof Organa was considering it >your high horse
OHHH
its you, this would be the third time i've met your moronic ass. lol lmao
Yeah you're just a moron. Frick off moron and maybe brush up on roman history next time before you embarrass yourself Again, lol
8 months ago
Anonymous
>The fricking war financed his political caree
That's not the same as orchestrating a war from both sides, neither is making deals with a populace to defect from their leadership you simpleton. >WHO FRICK SAID HE DID
You did by implying the emperor was an allegory to Caesar >deleted scene
Argument disregarded >Implying no one could possibly hate the prequels without being the same person
Sad, pathetic even
8 months ago
Anonymous
>making deals with a populace to defect from their leadership
I said nobility >leading nobility of their people making a deal to defect
Literally that was entire deal he had with the separatists you dumb c**t
>You did by implying the emperor was an allegory to Caesar
I said his manipulation of the senate not him being emperor ESL. >Argument disregarded
I accept your concession. > without being the same person
Anon you always use allegory and high horses when you lose. It'll be funny if it wasnt so sad.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit are you so moronic that you didn't even understand the basics of the Separatists in the prequels? If you're like Caesar making deals with nobility to defect from their side to the Romans how the frick are you even pretending that situation is even remotely similar to Palpatine convincing a bunch of seperate governments to secede from the Republic? Are you so fricking moronic that you didn't realize that Caesar was always a Roman that loved Rome and never conspired to destroy it even if he didn't believe democracy was the best means to run it. He didn't actively start a war to gain power, his actions mirror Palpatine's in no way. Hell Caesar really didn't manipulate the senate all that well if they ended up assassinating him after relinquishing his emergency Dictator powers. >concession
The fact you needed to pull a fan edit of a film to make your arguments says more about how shit your theory is. What are you gonna post a fanfiction as evidence as well? Theatrical cuts are the only evidence that applies as that is how the film was intended to be interpreted. >High horses
Literally one of the most common idioms >Allegory
Yeah I'm gonna use that term because that's what is being discussed you stupid homosexual, other people are going to use that term too. But sure keep acting like a schizo, you'd have to be to like the prequels on any level other than the superficial.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesnt know what the Gallic Wars were > Caesar didn't actively start a war to gain power >Caesar was always a Roman that loved Rome and never conspired to destroy it > Caesar really didn't manipulate the senate all that well
moron-kun you need to have an IQ over 80 for us to continue this discussion. Because you've got so much wrong we need to open up a history book. >deleted scenes are now fan edits
oof look at that goal post move. You've got no arguments left do you >Literally one of the most common idioms
No no, its your incorrect usage of it that makes you stand out Zoom Zoom. We've had this argument before.
At least this time you know how to use Allegory instead of me getting the dictionary out for you lol lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You had to understand Caesar, Octavian, and Cicero to understand the tragedy of what was happening
Jesus fricking christ keep coping you dumb frickwit. The politics of the prequels only have the most barebone relations to the roman empire that you need to make sweeping generalizations to make it work. There's no moment that acts as an allegory for Caesar's assassination, no characters that represent the senate or Brutas, and certainly no characters that represent the Triumvirate. Those videos you linked are the peak representation of pseudo intellectualism and you're the biggest midwit in this fricking thread.
8 months ago
Anonymous
the prequels' politics also bring up historical parallels to the rise of Napoleon III.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You had to understand Caesar, Octavian, and Cicero
kek
8 months ago
Anonymous
im not joking. Thats why it filtered everyone because everyone just wanted pew pew and no one is going to read up on several decades of warfare just to understand that, George wanted it to be political with pew pew, so he wanted his cake and eat it too.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're underage or moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're just moronic. and an absolute worthless human being.
From the bottom of my heart do i mean that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
lol
8 months ago
Anonymous
you're someone who doesn't read star wars books/comics or moronic
8 months ago
Anonymous
If you need to read suplimentarg material just to make the movie slightly coherent than the film fails at telling a fricking story. Supplementary material should Never be mandatory to a peice of media's enjoyment. That is a failure, not a strength.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>supplementary material
non-argument when the story is a saga that encompasses more than one work.
>coherence
that's not the only thing. it also has to do with context and meaning. also thanks for exposing yourself as a normie and the reason gatekeeping needs to happen. let me guess. you enjoyed the newest trilogy because you went in to it not knowing the producers and writers were insulting your intelligence?
>this is a failure not a strength
for someone shilling something for normies, yes.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>non-argument when the story is a saga that encompasses more than one work.
What kind of moron argument is this? Episode 4, 5, and 6 are all good self contained stories. You don't even need to see episode 4 to enjoy episode 5. The only reason you'd need to watch something else to enjoy a film is if the film sucked on its own. All context in a good story is self contained. Can you imagine how bad the Lord of the Rings would have been if Tolkien just said "frick it, read the Silmarillion if you're confused I'm not going to explain the creation of the one ring." >that's not the only thing. it also has to do with context and meaning. also thanks for exposing yourself as a normie and the reason gatekeeping needs to happen. let me guess. you enjoyed the newest trilogy because you went in to it not knowing the producers and writers were insulting your intelligence?
I hate the sequels because they also suck as self contained stories. Way to out yourself as a midwit that just likes the prequels because they aren't the Sequels. The prequels fail as self contained stories you openly admit the need for supplementary books, comics, and even historical knowledge just to enjoy them. That's bad story telling. >muh normies
Spoken like a true contrarian. You'd probably eat literal shit just to be different.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You don't even need to see episode 4 to enjoy episode 5.
What kind of moronic thinking is this? Seriously are you mentally ill > how bad the Lord of the Rings would have been if Tolkien just said "frick it, read the
Fellowship of the rings if you're confused I'm not going to explain the creation of the one ring."
Yeah and skipping books like a moron is what you suggested one sentence prior. >The prequels fail as self contained stories
Nope they require supplementary knowledge that everyone in school should have got
Way to show everyone here you're borderline moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>episodes 4 5 and 6 are self contained
>episodes with numbers that go in an order >episodes with number that don't even start with 1, 2 or 3
when people went to fricking star wars in the fricking 70s, the only reason people were okay with not knowing was specifically the episodes had those numbers and people understood that it was not self contained
you fricknut
Are people so fricking moronic they don't understand that films set in saga are still capable of telling self contained stories that don't require prior knowledge to enjoy? You can easily enjoy A New Hope, Empire, and Return without ever seeing the other films while there are severe plotholes and narrartive elements left unexplained and unresolved in Phantom, Clones, Revenge, Awakens, Last Jedi, and Rise. You idiots seem to forget that seeing the other films enhances your enjoyment but should never be required. No singular film should be reliant on any other film, book, wiki, or comic to make sense of its plot. That's like saying any other film in a series can only be good if you've seen the other 24 films. That's an insanely stupid and immature way of looking at filmmaking as story telling. I can't believe how bad standards have gotten that people will ignore how bad a film, game, or TV series is so long as their is some moronic wiki out there to explain plot elements that were never explained in the media proper. It's like you idiots can't even seem to understand what exposition is. Frick off you fricking pseudo-intellectuals.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Whats an unexplained plothole i episode I?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why is the Trade Federation Blockading Naboo? No seriously why? The main inciting incident for our conflict and the most that is explained is in the opening crawl stating "disputed trade routes" like what? How is a disputed Trade Route causing this Galaxy spanning corporation to blockade this single planet and no one else? It is never explained in any detail or logical way in film.
There are dozens more but when right out the gate the main conflict is never explained it's pretty bad. Within the first minutes of A New Hope we understand the main plot device (the death star plans) its importance and why it's caused the story we are viewing even without the opening Crawl.
8 months ago
Anonymous
There was a book that explained that, but then it was rendered non-canon, so now we don't know.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>It was in a book
And that's been my entire point this thread. A film should not require you to read a book just to make sense of its plot. There should be a clear explanation in the film itself. That is what we call a plot hole and it can't be excused because an author decided to fill it because George was too lazy to do that himself.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Why is the Trade Federation Blockading Naboo?
To maintain there monopoly on the planet's trade? Didn't they outright tell you that? >How is a disputed Trade Route causing this Galaxy spanning corporation to blockade this single planet and no one else?
How stupid are you, thats how these things go for corporations, What you don't know about the Banana Wars? Where Corps fricked over nations for a monopoly on Banana trade.
Literally blockade them until they surrender, can't do that? Ouright invasion.
The motivation is money and power its completely logical for some one with a brain on his head
8 months ago
Anonymous
>To maintain there monopoly on the planet's trade?
This is never explained in the film, like ever. You're making that up. >How stupid are you, thats how these things go for corporations, What you don't know about the Banana Wars? Where Corps fricked over nations for a monopoly on Banana trade
Where is it ever implied in the film that Naboo depends on the Trade Federation for supplies? Because they have their own internal infrastructure and build their own ships, hell the Gungans on the same planet are completely self sufficient. Even when we're told people are starving its the result of the invasion, not the blockade. We are never given any actual reason Naboo is blockaded apart from the trade federation just being evil. All your explanations have been completely made up and you can't even cite a single part of the film that actually can win your argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>This is never explained in the film, like ever.
homie you just outright admitted it when you said this >in the opening crawl stating "disputed trade routes"
Holy frick you really are mentally challenged >Where is it ever implied in the film that Naboo depends on the Trade Federation for supplies?
Where is it implied it doesn't? >Because they have their own internal infrastructure and build their own ships
ummmm source? >l the Gungans on the same planet are completely self sufficient
Theyre backwater savages what the frick are you talking about >Naboo is blockaded apart from the trade federation just being evil
Money and power like all corps, thats why you didnt address the banana wars because its clear you're a sheltered idiot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
They are blockading naboo because Nute was promised immeasurable wealth and political influence through Palpatine, as well as not being bugged by the Republic.
Because the Republic doesn't have a military at this point and the Jedi are viewed as little more than hippy diplomats, the Trade Federation agrees to this.
They are proven correct when the Republic is bogged down by too much bureaucracy to do anything. Even the Jedi weren't gonna do anything except protect the queen.
it's only when the Queen goes back to Naboo,, an unforseen development by Palpatine, that the crisis is solved. Palpatine was preying on the bureaucracy and people's inability to act to win, and though the forces of good won the battle, they lost the war when Qui-Gon died.
8 months ago
Anonymous
claiming that Empire is enjoyable without the context of ANH and ROTJ is actually moronic.
Empire literally ends on a cliffhanger ending that is entirely dependent on how the trilogy ends, and the connection you have with Han, Luke, Ben, and Leia at the start is ONLY established through ANH.
This does not make it a bad movie, but this does make you moronic.
I would also say Phantom is purely enjoyable in its own context; you don't need to see or know any other Star Wars film to enjoy Phantom, that's how it's designed and that's the best way to watch it, as an intro to the Star Wars universe.
ROTJ is also not enjoyable without the context of ANH and ESB.
Also, the 6 lucas films work entirely together. you don't need anything extra to enjoy them, they are a symbiotic series of films that perfectly mesh together.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>claiming that Empire is enjoyable without the context of ANH and ROTJ is actually moron
No it's not you stupid mouth Breather. Anyone can watch Empire as their first Star Wars film and enjoy it because it has a definitive beginning middle and end. Ending on a cliffhanger doesn't matter when the main conflict is resolved. Vader was searching for Luke to offer him a chance to join the Empire and Luke declines. That is your main story and it's resolved in Empire alone even if Han is trapped in Carbonite our main story is complete. >the connection you have with Han, Luke, Ben, and Leia at the start is ONLY established through ANH.
Wow so your a autist that ignored all the character development in Empire that allows us to connect to these characters without the context of a New Hope. I guess when you need all your information from a wiki article rather than context clues from a story that sort of thing can be hard.
You're the biggest fricking pseudo-intellectual this side of Cinemaphile which is saying a fricking lot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>episodes 4 5 and 6 are self contained
>episodes with numbers that go in an order >episodes with number that don't even start with 1, 2 or 3
when people went to fricking star wars in the fricking 70s, the only reason people were okay with not knowing was specifically the episodes had those numbers and people understood that it was not self contained
you fricknut
8 months ago
Anonymous
5 would be one of the shittiest movies ever if there wasn't a conclusion to it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you don't need to read any supplemental material to make the prequels work; they are literally designed so that you watch ep 1 when you're 8, then the rest when you're 12-14.
They are perfect for that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
What do books and comics have to do with anything?
8 months ago
Anonymous
well for one, they have more to do with star wars than the newest movies. 🙂
8 months ago
Anonymous
Okay. I'm still not seeing the relevance.
8 months ago
Anonymous
well let's see here
star wars doesn't exist without comics and books. for one, george lucas ripped of a lot from that one french scifi i can't remember. an unrelated example is the capeshit avengers movies depending on each other and crossing over. you seem to have selective memory about what works and what doesn't.
normies don't care about supplementary material, they'll literally go watch a movie, and that's how we got love and thunder. is love and thunder a movie that meets your criteria of a success? after all, it doesn't need a back story or context of other events in the past, right? it's a movie that's a standalone, it must have been successful, right? oh did love and thunder have a recap for a movie? i guess even normies need supplementary info
8 months ago
Anonymous
>george lucas ripped of a lot from that one french scifi i can't remember.
Valerian and Laureline
8 months ago
Anonymous
that one. thank you. i keep thinking valiant and lorelei and i know that's wrong
8 months ago
Anonymous
i mean, they both "ripped off" flash gordon, guy leclair for you frenchies.
8 months ago
Anonymous
What if someone enjoyed them the most but didn't have any of the prerequisite knowledge?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're allowed to, you're even allowed to say it sucks who the frick am i to stop you.
But if you're a moron that larps that he knows roman history while getting basic facts wrong well then you're simply moronic and all your opinions are suspect.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not any of the previous anons you've been responding to, I just wonder what you make of such a person.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly what i said. people should be able to enjoy things.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why do I get the feeling your some pseud that watches hour long youtube documentaries and has never had an opinion that wasn't the direct result of the YouTube algorithm?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Because youre projecting
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's almost everyone that enjoyed them. You can draw a number of historical parallels, but they're fleeting and thin in the face of everything else in the movies anyway. A child (man- or otherwise) that claps when Yoda whips out his little laser sword and goes to town on Count Schlockula isn't won over by the fact Lucas once compared the Emperor to Nixon.
>They(old fans) are waiting to be baited back with a sliver of hope >No i'm not. I've completely lost all faith and more importantly joy from this series.
Yes, and so have most fans. That's why it's smarter for Disney to try to get old fans back and capturing new ones at the same time instead of just trying to get new fans. Do you even understand how a business works? You try to maximise the reach of the market, you dimwit
Retcon the sequels, have George as a consultant until he croaks, and use Mando as the basis for a new post-ROTJ canon. I'll never be a die hard fan again, but I can see myself being more interested.
Also, more of the shows and seasons need to be on home video like they're doing with seasons 1-2 of Mando later this year. Physical media is a huge part of Star Wars' history as a brand and it should not be neglected.
If I were in charge I'd straight up disown anything under Kennedy by openly saying it never happened. It was a Force nightmare Luke had one night. And I would keep calking it a nightmare in interviews to drive the point that it was terrible to watch. I would also quietly memoryhole Rebels by never referencing it ever again, and probably the Tortuga species too. Then depending on how pressed I was to succeed I would either have KOTOR made into a show or I would make a series about an imperial battlegroup going around and trying to bring back into the fold as much of the crumbling Empire as possible. Instead of deserts and humans in rubber masks, the series would partially take place in alien biomes and the aliens would be more animalistic. Like xenomorphs, fish people and sentient jungles. The series would build up to the setting of my sequel trilogy. A Republic and an Empire who are not at peace but who aren't currently strong enough to go on all out war with eachother.
They can easily use that time travelling dimension from Rebels to retcon the shit out of the sequels if I understood that one episode where Ezra saves Ahsoka correctly. I don't see them going all out on that though because Disney is moronic
People always talk about how boring and pointless the sequels are from a story POV but people rarely stop to talk about how one of the worst aspects of the sequels were the boring-ass characters. They even managed to make the old cast boring which is hard as frick to do considering they had Luke Skywalker as a potential Jedi Master at their disposal
>episodes 1-3 >not adding in Taoism books >not adding books about Caesar(Charisma), Octavian(Political Manipulation), and Cicero(Saw the writing on the wall but was powerless to stop it)
i doubt McGregor had to beg rather than the other way around. Hayden Christensen was probably pretty desperate for the Disney check, though
No he desperately wanted it. It was him going after the role not the other way around
>And this was even when Ewan Mcgregor went and said star wars fans needed to get a life for saying "may the force be with you" to him around Attack of the clones. >Funny how years later he came crawling back and asked for a job.
Supposedly, seeing the people who grew up with the prequels start to personally express their appreciation as young adults has had a big effect on the two of them over the years.
>No he desperately wanted it. It was him going after the role not the other way around
How do you know this?
8 months ago
Anonymous
The news of course and coupled with the drama of his divorce and cheating i remember it extremely clearly. Hell even just this year he was asking for a season 2
you've really not seen trainspotting? get on it kiddo, that'll make you think twice about ole obi wan.
Beginning of the movie seems familiar but not the end
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds like projection to me because you got an axe to grind.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I have more of an axe to grind with you calling me a liar then Ewan McGregor
Here's an article
https://www.ign.com/articles/obi-wan-kenobi-director-ewan-mcgregor-pitched-ideas-season-2 > "And, I honestly, I think it's very much a possibility because Ewan [McGregor] is just begging to do another one. He's really excited."
frick i knew there was a reason i liked episodes 1-3. i thought it was just the objectively superior lightsaber battles. almost like star wars is a martial sci fi. gosh wouldn't ya know it.
>Break the conditioning >He says while promoting ideology so rooted in conditioning and servitude that the only country that made it policy also made it illegal to have a conversation as small as "hello" without praising the government
Go vote for my next tax cut, monkey
agent smith was actually the chosen one. the cloud cover over the planet was from the human capitalists who would rather destroy the world than live in peace with A.I.
i hope that other anon took your response as a compliment, since agent smith managed to challenge the status quo more than any other character
No they weren't.
I'm sick of this cope by millenials. The prequels sucked and always sucked. That doesn't mean the Sequels were good either. Hell even ROTJ fails on multiple levels and is only pulled through by Luke and Vader's arcs. I swear it won't be long till a bunch of homosexuals start nostalgia wanking to the sequel trilogy as a misunderstood masterpiece.
Ewoks and Jabba are based, and they only make the finale even better, and the finale is the second best finale of a star wars film ( the best is RotS obviously)
I liked Attack of the Clones, that and empire are my favorites.
I loved Mando, season 3 was disjointed as hell.
Andor was cool but too slow for me.
I loved the last 2 seasons of Clone Wars.
Obiwan series was ok if you ignore the Leia/Reeva bull.
I was luke-warm on Ahsoka until Episode 5, E 5 is the best Disney Star Wars thing ever. sincerely, 1980.
>Anakin's massacre
You're only correct statement >Kamino
Created a shit ton of plotholes and inconsistencies particularly with Sifo Dias who is never explained or expanded on. > The whole Asteroid fight
Was literally a fan service scene that stole from Empire Stikes Back. It's a literal role reversal of the Slave 1 tracking down the Millenium Falcon. >Yoda fighting was awesome.
Yoda should be above using a lightsaber, he literally states as much in Empire. Yoda should be the kind of master that could kick your ass with the force alone because to him a Lightsaber is nothing but ceremonial. It made him look less powerful. >The political intrigue is good.
No it isn't. It hardly addressed to begin with and even then just boils down to bad guys want to secede because Palpatine told them to. >The whole Arena/final battle.
It's pretty pointless spectacle for the sake of itself. At least the podrace served a greater narrative purpose. The arean fight is pretty pointless and could be skipped without missing anything narratively important seeing as everyone is deus ex machina'd into being saved by the Jedi and then the Clones.
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Anonymous
>Yoda should be above using a lightsaber, he literally states as much in Empire. Yoda should be the kind of master that could kick your ass with the force alone because to him a Lightsaber is nothing but ceremonial. It made him look less powerful.
It also looked like shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Yoda
It's almost like Yoda was a different person before Empire, and changed as a person to be "above using a saber" after years of fighting in a war that changed his perspective as a person. Yoda appearing less powerful is a GOOD thing, you want your protagonists/mentor figures to not appear like the second coming of Christ. >Kamino
the Sifo dias stuff is explained entirely in the scene with jango and Obi Wan and the very end. You are angry that GL didn't spoon-feed you.
Jango says he never knew dias, but got hired by a guy called Tyrannus "on one of the moons of Bogden".
At the end of the movie, Tyrannus is revealed to be Dooku.
this is all explained in the film. The only reason there is so much explanation in post-release media is because OG star wars fans ARE moronic.
>Pointless spectacle
homie, Star Wars is supposed to be fun. The arena scene is fun. It is also supposed to highlight the war breaking out. It is just as plot-critical as the assault on Hoth, arguably more so.
>The whole asteroid fight is just the inverse of ESB!
Yeah homie, the whole point of AotC is that it's a thematic inversion of ESB. Also, the seismic charges are some of the coolest weapons in Star Wars, periodt.
>The political intruigue is bad actually.
Well, imo, it's kind of based how Palpatine manufactures a separation crisis by playing into people's greed and the very bureaucracy he leveraged. Also, using a seeming political idealist to crystalize this opposition to not only grab greedy bureaucrats, but hopeful idealists. It actually transfers over pretty well to our world how populists will address real problems (awful bureaucracies) to push their own horrific ends.
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Anonymous
>Yeah homie, the whole point of AotC is that it's a thematic inversion of ESB
Oh you're one of those morons that thinks fan wank in the prequels is deep while hating it in the sequels.
They were always a mixed bag. It was just fashionable to focus on the negative, and now it's fashionable to focus on the positive. Neither is the whole story. The plot being good doesn't mean that the pacing wasn't bad, and the frequently underbaked and overused special effects doesn't mean it wasn't loaded with groundbreakingly good visual effects.
My guess is most people that disliked the prequels still do, but they don't care about discussing them anymore. For the average person the "debate" about the prequels ended in 2005. I don't think there's been much in the way of reappraisal.
Actually the prequel *hate* (or at least the second wave) was a Disney psyop. Gen Xers had already gotten most of the prequel bashing out of their system by the time ROTS came out, but then out of nowhere the hate surged to higher than ever before in the early 2010s.
It's the most awkwardly made of the prequels. Worst acting, worst CGI, recycled music from the first one, love story that doesn't make you care, etc. Feels like Lucas's spirit was crushed after TPM got bashed, and he didn't get the enthusiasm back until ROTS.
have Gen Xers ever made anything good? the only good gen x thing I've found is Venture bros, otherwise, your generation's shiny knights are what; kevin smith and JJ abrams?
I actually think millennials, gen zers and boomers have made loads of wonderful art. I just can't find anything really impressive coming out of the gen x (1965-1980) age range.
I watched both the original trilogy and prequels for the first time recently, so I had absolutely no nostalgia biasing me. The prequels were better and more fun than the original trilogy. As someone who had only known about Star Wars from cultural osmosis, they definitely felt the most “Star Wars”. Their aesthetics and world building were better as well.
>Can someone tell me the context?
Big Daddy Ani confronted his old apprentice in the World Between Worlds to teach her a lesson about keeping up the fight in the latest episode of the Ahsoka series, which was filled with 2008 Clone Wars nostalgia bait.
the sheer desperation Disney is displaying trying to get old fans to come back is getting pretty sad
If I were in charge of Star Wars I would try to get the old fans back as well. They are waiting to be baited back with a sliver of hope. It would be easier and cheaper than to create new fans. It's just that Disney is going about it the wrong way.
>They(old fans) are waiting to be baited back with a sliver of hope
No i'm not. I've completely lost all faith and more importantly joy from this series.
I recoil in disgust every time something new from this series even appears.
How do you even do that? I was a try hard that worshiped the series for decades and in a span of 4 years i became utterly disgusted with Star Wars
For the first time I looked at it and felt ashamed i ever enjoyed the it in the first place.
And this was even when Ewan Mcgregor went and said star wars fans needed to get a life for saying "may the force be with you" to him around Attack of the clones.
Funny how years later he came crawling back and asked for a job.
i doubt McGregor had to beg rather than the other way around. Hayden Christensen was probably pretty desperate for the Disney check, though
>And this was even when Ewan Mcgregor went and said star wars fans needed to get a life for saying "may the force be with you" to him around Attack of the clones.
>Funny how years later he came crawling back and asked for a job.
Supposedly, seeing the people who grew up with the prequels start to personally express their appreciation as young adults has had a big effect on the two of them over the years.
>said star wars fans needed to get a life for saying "may the force be with you" to him around Attack of the clones
pfft says the trainspotting guy.
>says the trainspotting guy.
What?
Yup thats what he wanted, and this was around the time of his divorce so maybe he needed the cash. I don't know. He always struck me as someone with conviction so him basically asking Kennedy and Disney for a reduced role was kinda disappointing.
And of course the show itself was shit
you've really not seen trainspotting? get on it kiddo, that'll make you think twice about ole obi wan.
The bitter fans want to see Star Wars returned to it's former glory more than they want to see it dead. They will flock back if Disney replaces Kennedy with a guy who will make antagonizing statements about her. Because that will give people hope that Disney admits it fricked up and the new guy knows what the frick up was.
Retcon the sequels, have George as a consultant until he croaks, and use Mando as the basis for a new post-ROTJ canon. I'll never be a die hard fan again, but I can see myself being more interested.
Also, more of the shows and seasons need to be on home video like they're doing with seasons 1-2 of Mando later this year. Physical media is a huge part of Star Wars' history as a brand and it should not be neglected.
If I were in charge I'd straight up disown anything under Kennedy by openly saying it never happened. It was a Force nightmare Luke had one night. And I would keep calking it a nightmare in interviews to drive the point that it was terrible to watch. I would also quietly memoryhole Rebels by never referencing it ever again, and probably the Tortuga species too. Then depending on how pressed I was to succeed I would either have KOTOR made into a show or I would make a series about an imperial battlegroup going around and trying to bring back into the fold as much of the crumbling Empire as possible. Instead of deserts and humans in rubber masks, the series would partially take place in alien biomes and the aliens would be more animalistic. Like xenomorphs, fish people and sentient jungles. The series would build up to the setting of my sequel trilogy. A Republic and an Empire who are not at peace but who aren't currently strong enough to go on all out war with eachother.
>retcon the sequels
which ones? there is no retconning the newest trilogy. it's garbage and it has to go altogether. there was already an expanded universe. disney wants to stay cheap and not pay royalties but if they'd sat the frick down and hammered out details and getting the story right so there aren't as many or any plot holes and contradictions, would these problems exist now? is it not the case that royalty fees to authors and comic writers would be cheaper than the losses of the shitty ass fricking newest trilogy?
>cope by millennials
listen, i know the script was trash, we know that some of the lines are awful, but you know what? there were good light saber battles and there was a fricking coherent intent for the message, and the plot had an actual fricking goal.
Probably me
I'm like this anon
The die hard part of me is dead even if george takes back the helm but at the very least i'd give a shit again.
>Also, more of the shows and seasons need to be on home video like they're doing with seasons 1-2 of Mando later this year.
The frick? Why?
>pic related
Man they could have really went some where with Ventress and Kenobi
>The frick? Why?
Disney is hemorrhaging money, from D+, anon. WandaVision, Loki, and Mando s1 and 2 are getting Blu-ray and 4k physical steelbook releases.
oh, i thought you meant you wanted more D+ which was hemorrhaging money.
I don't even hate Kennedy that much but holy frick does everything she touch just collapses in on itself. Everyones allowed a shit movie now and again. But when you have 4/5 being bad its time for some self reflection.
> It was a Force nightmare Luke had one night.
Thats just being needlessly cruel just call it an alternative universe.
> A Republic and an Empire who are not at peace but who aren't currently strong enough to go on all out war with eachother.
Going to need more than a trilogy for that. Don't get me wrong its a good idea. People love that kind of setting.
But we're talking 6 episodes minimum.
> I would either have KOTOR made into a show or I would make a series about an imperial battlegroup going around and trying to bring back into the fold as much of the crumbling Empire as possible
I like the imperial battlegroup idea, but i dont see it appealing to anyone but the old fans.
Star wars anime has really made finding this vid a b***h
I saw them all around the same time frame. The prequels didn't suck but they required so much prerequisite knowledge to enjoy it.
You had to understand Caesar, Octavian, and Cicero to understand the tragedy of what was happening
Look at this speech, its pitifully obvious Palpatine is evil and yet he says it such a way that if you didn't know he was a sith you would have clapped along.
Decades of war had made it so that people just wanted peace even if it meant being slaves.
A clear parallel is drawn between this and Octavian and Caesars power grab for power.
And seeing that scene and rewatching the previous episodes you understand the long con thats been played.
In no way is phantom menace slow as it is even remotely near the same level as solo.
Or the Clone Wars being as bad as the last jedi
Gr8 b8
its not bait.
> you need to make sweeping generalizations to make it work.
Do we though. We have a corrupt senate unable to agree on anything, a war that saw palpatine enact the star wars equivalent of the marian reforms with him being in control of the army.
Who the frick is talking about Caesars assassination? This is about Caesar ceasing power with his constant warmongering
> no characters that represent the senate
Padmé and Organa were the obvious ones though obviously nowhere near cicero's level
>Triumvirate
You stupid c**t, i only mentioned Caesar and Ocatvian because they were the most manipulative sons of b***hes. Especially Ocatvian as he gathered power slowly step by step
Frick off you dimwitted c**t.
Nothing worse than a no nothing know it all.
>We have a corrupt senate unable to agree on anything
That's so generalized that it could literally apply to the current US senate.
>a war that saw palpatine enact the star wars equivalent of the marian reforms with him being in control of the army.
When did Caesar work both sides of a conflict to gain control of the government and more importantly when was he assassinated by his own adopted son and confidante? Or is there a scene where Anakin works with the Senate to kill Palpatine?
>Who the frick is talking about Caesars assassination? This is about Caesar ceasing power with his constant warmongering
Caesar NEVER BECAME EMPEROR like holy shit this is basic history, how can you compare Palpatine with Caesae when they are absolutely different kinds of people.
>Padmé and Organa were the obvious ones though obviously nowhere near cicero's level
Those two never conspired to kill Palpatine
You're response was nothing but fricking generalizations you moron. Get off your high horse. Any terrible movie can be made into a work of art if you grasp at long enough straws.
Oh frick off you disingenuous c**t, i knew you were a moron larping like you had any knowledge of rome when so bare fricking bones with your answers and this proves it
>When did Caesar work both sides of a conflict to gain control of the government
The fricking war financed his political career you dumb piece of shit, he also promised the nobility of Gaul citizenship and places in the senate if they followed him and chose to fight for him instead of Gaul.
He kept his words and made them senators who all voted for whatever he fricking wanted afterwards.
Of course being dumb frick you probably never knew about that did you you miserable cretin.
> Caesar ceasing power
WHO FRICK SAID HE DID you blind dumb c**t. It was him ceasing power with political machinations him rewriting the constitution to fit his every whim you history illiterate moron.
And you not knowing the war where he looted and plundered to get himself rich and using said riches to buy off senators and create new ones just tells me the kind of illiterate piece of shit you truly are.
>Those two never conspired to kill Palpatine
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There proof Organa was considering it
>your high horse
OHHH
its you, this would be the third time i've met your moronic ass. lol lmao
Yeah you're just a moron. Frick off moron and maybe brush up on roman history next time before you embarrass yourself
Again, lol
>The fricking war financed his political caree
That's not the same as orchestrating a war from both sides, neither is making deals with a populace to defect from their leadership you simpleton.
>WHO FRICK SAID HE DID
You did by implying the emperor was an allegory to Caesar
>deleted scene
Argument disregarded
>Implying no one could possibly hate the prequels without being the same person
Sad, pathetic even
>making deals with a populace to defect from their leadership
I said nobility
>leading nobility of their people making a deal to defect
Literally that was entire deal he had with the separatists you dumb c**t
>You did by implying the emperor was an allegory to Caesar
I said his manipulation of the senate not him being emperor ESL.
>Argument disregarded
I accept your concession.
> without being the same person
Anon you always use allegory and high horses when you lose. It'll be funny if it wasnt so sad.
Holy shit are you so moronic that you didn't even understand the basics of the Separatists in the prequels? If you're like Caesar making deals with nobility to defect from their side to the Romans how the frick are you even pretending that situation is even remotely similar to Palpatine convincing a bunch of seperate governments to secede from the Republic? Are you so fricking moronic that you didn't realize that Caesar was always a Roman that loved Rome and never conspired to destroy it even if he didn't believe democracy was the best means to run it. He didn't actively start a war to gain power, his actions mirror Palpatine's in no way. Hell Caesar really didn't manipulate the senate all that well if they ended up assassinating him after relinquishing his emergency Dictator powers.
>concession
The fact you needed to pull a fan edit of a film to make your arguments says more about how shit your theory is. What are you gonna post a fanfiction as evidence as well? Theatrical cuts are the only evidence that applies as that is how the film was intended to be interpreted.
>High horses
Literally one of the most common idioms
>Allegory
Yeah I'm gonna use that term because that's what is being discussed you stupid homosexual, other people are going to use that term too. But sure keep acting like a schizo, you'd have to be to like the prequels on any level other than the superficial.
>he doesnt know what the Gallic Wars were
> Caesar didn't actively start a war to gain power
>Caesar was always a Roman that loved Rome and never conspired to destroy it
> Caesar really didn't manipulate the senate all that well
moron-kun you need to have an IQ over 80 for us to continue this discussion. Because you've got so much wrong we need to open up a history book.
>deleted scenes are now fan edits
oof look at that goal post move. You've got no arguments left do you
>Literally one of the most common idioms
No no, its your incorrect usage of it that makes you stand out Zoom Zoom. We've had this argument before.
At least this time you know how to use Allegory instead of me getting the dictionary out for you lol lmao
>You had to understand Caesar, Octavian, and Cicero to understand the tragedy of what was happening
Jesus fricking christ keep coping you dumb frickwit. The politics of the prequels only have the most barebone relations to the roman empire that you need to make sweeping generalizations to make it work. There's no moment that acts as an allegory for Caesar's assassination, no characters that represent the senate or Brutas, and certainly no characters that represent the Triumvirate. Those videos you linked are the peak representation of pseudo intellectualism and you're the biggest midwit in this fricking thread.
the prequels' politics also bring up historical parallels to the rise of Napoleon III.
>You had to understand Caesar, Octavian, and Cicero
kek
im not joking. Thats why it filtered everyone because everyone just wanted pew pew and no one is going to read up on several decades of warfare just to understand that, George wanted it to be political with pew pew, so he wanted his cake and eat it too.
You're underage or moronic.
You're just moronic. and an absolute worthless human being.
From the bottom of my heart do i mean that.
lol
you're someone who doesn't read star wars books/comics or moronic
If you need to read suplimentarg material just to make the movie slightly coherent than the film fails at telling a fricking story. Supplementary material should Never be mandatory to a peice of media's enjoyment. That is a failure, not a strength.
>supplementary material
non-argument when the story is a saga that encompasses more than one work.
>coherence
that's not the only thing. it also has to do with context and meaning. also thanks for exposing yourself as a normie and the reason gatekeeping needs to happen. let me guess. you enjoyed the newest trilogy because you went in to it not knowing the producers and writers were insulting your intelligence?
>this is a failure not a strength
for someone shilling something for normies, yes.
>non-argument when the story is a saga that encompasses more than one work.
What kind of moron argument is this? Episode 4, 5, and 6 are all good self contained stories. You don't even need to see episode 4 to enjoy episode 5. The only reason you'd need to watch something else to enjoy a film is if the film sucked on its own. All context in a good story is self contained. Can you imagine how bad the Lord of the Rings would have been if Tolkien just said "frick it, read the Silmarillion if you're confused I'm not going to explain the creation of the one ring."
>that's not the only thing. it also has to do with context and meaning. also thanks for exposing yourself as a normie and the reason gatekeeping needs to happen. let me guess. you enjoyed the newest trilogy because you went in to it not knowing the producers and writers were insulting your intelligence?
I hate the sequels because they also suck as self contained stories. Way to out yourself as a midwit that just likes the prequels because they aren't the Sequels. The prequels fail as self contained stories you openly admit the need for supplementary books, comics, and even historical knowledge just to enjoy them. That's bad story telling.
>muh normies
Spoken like a true contrarian. You'd probably eat literal shit just to be different.
>You don't even need to see episode 4 to enjoy episode 5.
What kind of moronic thinking is this? Seriously are you mentally ill
> how bad the Lord of the Rings would have been if Tolkien just said "frick it, read the
Fellowship of the rings if you're confused I'm not going to explain the creation of the one ring."
Yeah and skipping books like a moron is what you suggested one sentence prior.
>The prequels fail as self contained stories
Nope they require supplementary knowledge that everyone in school should have got
Way to show everyone here you're borderline moronic.
Are people so fricking moronic they don't understand that films set in saga are still capable of telling self contained stories that don't require prior knowledge to enjoy? You can easily enjoy A New Hope, Empire, and Return without ever seeing the other films while there are severe plotholes and narrartive elements left unexplained and unresolved in Phantom, Clones, Revenge, Awakens, Last Jedi, and Rise. You idiots seem to forget that seeing the other films enhances your enjoyment but should never be required. No singular film should be reliant on any other film, book, wiki, or comic to make sense of its plot. That's like saying any other film in a series can only be good if you've seen the other 24 films. That's an insanely stupid and immature way of looking at filmmaking as story telling. I can't believe how bad standards have gotten that people will ignore how bad a film, game, or TV series is so long as their is some moronic wiki out there to explain plot elements that were never explained in the media proper. It's like you idiots can't even seem to understand what exposition is. Frick off you fricking pseudo-intellectuals.
Whats an unexplained plothole i episode I?
Why is the Trade Federation Blockading Naboo? No seriously why? The main inciting incident for our conflict and the most that is explained is in the opening crawl stating "disputed trade routes" like what? How is a disputed Trade Route causing this Galaxy spanning corporation to blockade this single planet and no one else? It is never explained in any detail or logical way in film.
There are dozens more but when right out the gate the main conflict is never explained it's pretty bad. Within the first minutes of A New Hope we understand the main plot device (the death star plans) its importance and why it's caused the story we are viewing even without the opening Crawl.
There was a book that explained that, but then it was rendered non-canon, so now we don't know.
>It was in a book
And that's been my entire point this thread. A film should not require you to read a book just to make sense of its plot. There should be a clear explanation in the film itself. That is what we call a plot hole and it can't be excused because an author decided to fill it because George was too lazy to do that himself.
>Why is the Trade Federation Blockading Naboo?
To maintain there monopoly on the planet's trade? Didn't they outright tell you that?
>How is a disputed Trade Route causing this Galaxy spanning corporation to blockade this single planet and no one else?
How stupid are you, thats how these things go for corporations, What you don't know about the Banana Wars? Where Corps fricked over nations for a monopoly on Banana trade.
Literally blockade them until they surrender, can't do that? Ouright invasion.
The motivation is money and power its completely logical for some one with a brain on his head
>To maintain there monopoly on the planet's trade?
This is never explained in the film, like ever. You're making that up.
>How stupid are you, thats how these things go for corporations, What you don't know about the Banana Wars? Where Corps fricked over nations for a monopoly on Banana trade
Where is it ever implied in the film that Naboo depends on the Trade Federation for supplies? Because they have their own internal infrastructure and build their own ships, hell the Gungans on the same planet are completely self sufficient. Even when we're told people are starving its the result of the invasion, not the blockade. We are never given any actual reason Naboo is blockaded apart from the trade federation just being evil. All your explanations have been completely made up and you can't even cite a single part of the film that actually can win your argument.
>This is never explained in the film, like ever.
homie you just outright admitted it when you said this
>in the opening crawl stating "disputed trade routes"
Holy frick you really are mentally challenged
>Where is it ever implied in the film that Naboo depends on the Trade Federation for supplies?
Where is it implied it doesn't?
>Because they have their own internal infrastructure and build their own ships
ummmm source?
>l the Gungans on the same planet are completely self sufficient
Theyre backwater savages what the frick are you talking about
>Naboo is blockaded apart from the trade federation just being evil
Money and power like all corps, thats why you didnt address the banana wars because its clear you're a sheltered idiot.
They are blockading naboo because Nute was promised immeasurable wealth and political influence through Palpatine, as well as not being bugged by the Republic.
Because the Republic doesn't have a military at this point and the Jedi are viewed as little more than hippy diplomats, the Trade Federation agrees to this.
They are proven correct when the Republic is bogged down by too much bureaucracy to do anything. Even the Jedi weren't gonna do anything except protect the queen.
it's only when the Queen goes back to Naboo,, an unforseen development by Palpatine, that the crisis is solved. Palpatine was preying on the bureaucracy and people's inability to act to win, and though the forces of good won the battle, they lost the war when Qui-Gon died.
claiming that Empire is enjoyable without the context of ANH and ROTJ is actually moronic.
Empire literally ends on a cliffhanger ending that is entirely dependent on how the trilogy ends, and the connection you have with Han, Luke, Ben, and Leia at the start is ONLY established through ANH.
This does not make it a bad movie, but this does make you moronic.
I would also say Phantom is purely enjoyable in its own context; you don't need to see or know any other Star Wars film to enjoy Phantom, that's how it's designed and that's the best way to watch it, as an intro to the Star Wars universe.
ROTJ is also not enjoyable without the context of ANH and ESB.
Also, the 6 lucas films work entirely together. you don't need anything extra to enjoy them, they are a symbiotic series of films that perfectly mesh together.
>claiming that Empire is enjoyable without the context of ANH and ROTJ is actually moron
No it's not you stupid mouth Breather. Anyone can watch Empire as their first Star Wars film and enjoy it because it has a definitive beginning middle and end. Ending on a cliffhanger doesn't matter when the main conflict is resolved. Vader was searching for Luke to offer him a chance to join the Empire and Luke declines. That is your main story and it's resolved in Empire alone even if Han is trapped in Carbonite our main story is complete.
>the connection you have with Han, Luke, Ben, and Leia at the start is ONLY established through ANH.
Wow so your a autist that ignored all the character development in Empire that allows us to connect to these characters without the context of a New Hope. I guess when you need all your information from a wiki article rather than context clues from a story that sort of thing can be hard.
You're the biggest fricking pseudo-intellectual this side of Cinemaphile which is saying a fricking lot.
>episodes 4 5 and 6 are self contained
>episodes with numbers that go in an order
>episodes with number that don't even start with 1, 2 or 3
when people went to fricking star wars in the fricking 70s, the only reason people were okay with not knowing was specifically the episodes had those numbers and people understood that it was not self contained
you fricknut
5 would be one of the shittiest movies ever if there wasn't a conclusion to it.
you don't need to read any supplemental material to make the prequels work; they are literally designed so that you watch ep 1 when you're 8, then the rest when you're 12-14.
They are perfect for that.
What do books and comics have to do with anything?
well for one, they have more to do with star wars than the newest movies. 🙂
Okay. I'm still not seeing the relevance.
well let's see here
star wars doesn't exist without comics and books. for one, george lucas ripped of a lot from that one french scifi i can't remember. an unrelated example is the capeshit avengers movies depending on each other and crossing over. you seem to have selective memory about what works and what doesn't.
normies don't care about supplementary material, they'll literally go watch a movie, and that's how we got love and thunder. is love and thunder a movie that meets your criteria of a success? after all, it doesn't need a back story or context of other events in the past, right? it's a movie that's a standalone, it must have been successful, right? oh did love and thunder have a recap for a movie? i guess even normies need supplementary info
>george lucas ripped of a lot from that one french scifi i can't remember.
Valerian and Laureline
that one. thank you. i keep thinking valiant and lorelei and i know that's wrong
i mean, they both "ripped off" flash gordon, guy leclair for you frenchies.
What if someone enjoyed them the most but didn't have any of the prerequisite knowledge?
You're allowed to, you're even allowed to say it sucks who the frick am i to stop you.
But if you're a moron that larps that he knows roman history while getting basic facts wrong well then you're simply moronic and all your opinions are suspect.
I'm not any of the previous anons you've been responding to, I just wonder what you make of such a person.
Exactly what i said. people should be able to enjoy things.
Why do I get the feeling your some pseud that watches hour long youtube documentaries and has never had an opinion that wasn't the direct result of the YouTube algorithm?
Because youre projecting
That's almost everyone that enjoyed them. You can draw a number of historical parallels, but they're fleeting and thin in the face of everything else in the movies anyway. A child (man- or otherwise) that claps when Yoda whips out his little laser sword and goes to town on Count Schlockula isn't won over by the fact Lucas once compared the Emperor to Nixon.
>They(old fans) are waiting to be baited back with a sliver of hope
>No i'm not. I've completely lost all faith and more importantly joy from this series.
Yes, and so have most fans. That's why it's smarter for Disney to try to get old fans back and capturing new ones at the same time instead of just trying to get new fans. Do you even understand how a business works? You try to maximise the reach of the market, you dimwit
They can easily use that time travelling dimension from Rebels to retcon the shit out of the sequels if I understood that one episode where Ezra saves Ahsoka correctly. I don't see them going all out on that though because Disney is moronic
People always talk about how boring and pointless the sequels are from a story POV but people rarely stop to talk about how one of the worst aspects of the sequels were the boring-ass characters. They even managed to make the old cast boring which is hard as frick to do considering they had Luke Skywalker as a potential Jedi Master at their disposal
You underestimate my power
The only Anakin I acknowledge.
No
fair enough
I'm convicted enough to punch Filoni in his bloat fat gut.
punch him so hard that he starts snoring
They were always good
bad*
From a certain point of view
the objectively correct point of view
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Captcha: K0NKA
>Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Shit line.
Besides, wasn't it Yoda who said "Do or do not. There is no try"?
and thats why the Jedi order needed rebuilding
their shit was all fricked up and why Vader became a thing
I'm not sure you know what an absolute is. If you want to twist his words, then it's an ultimatum, but what he is really saying is give it your all.
"only a sith deals in absolutes" is itself an absolute statement
>episodes 1-3
>not adding in Taoism books
>not adding books about Caesar(Charisma), Octavian(Political Manipulation), and Cicero(Saw the writing on the wall but was powerless to stop it)
No he desperately wanted it. It was him going after the role not the other way around
Supposedly
wasn't a Kenobi movie starring him planned basically from the jump before they kitbashed it into a tv series
>No he desperately wanted it. It was him going after the role not the other way around
How do you know this?
The news of course and coupled with the drama of his divorce and cheating i remember it extremely clearly. Hell even just this year he was asking for a season 2
Beginning of the movie seems familiar but not the end
Sounds like projection to me because you got an axe to grind.
I have more of an axe to grind with you calling me a liar then Ewan McGregor
Here's an article
https://www.ign.com/articles/obi-wan-kenobi-director-ewan-mcgregor-pitched-ideas-season-2
> "And, I honestly, I think it's very much a possibility because Ewan [McGregor] is just begging to do another one. He's really excited."
No, the only Star Wars movie that's worth watching is Night at the Museum: Battle for the Smithsonian. All the other movies are garbage.
frick i knew there was a reason i liked episodes 1-3. i thought it was just the objectively superior lightsaber battles. almost like star wars is a martial sci fi. gosh wouldn't ya know it.
>Break the conditioning
>He says while promoting ideology so rooted in conditioning and servitude that the only country that made it policy also made it illegal to have a conversation as small as "hello" without praising the government
Go vote for my next tax cut, monkey
T. Agent Smith
agent smith was actually the chosen one. the cloud cover over the planet was from the human capitalists who would rather destroy the world than live in peace with A.I.
i hope that other anon took your response as a compliment, since agent smith managed to challenge the status quo more than any other character
No they weren't.
I'm sick of this cope by millenials. The prequels sucked and always sucked. That doesn't mean the Sequels were good either. Hell even ROTJ fails on multiple levels and is only pulled through by Luke and Vader's arcs. I swear it won't be long till a bunch of homosexuals start nostalgia wanking to the sequel trilogy as a misunderstood masterpiece.
ROTJ is better than ESB and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
It has just as much fanservice and reuse of plot elements and locations as TFA
Ewoks and Jabba are based, and they only make the finale even better, and the finale is the second best finale of a star wars film ( the best is RotS obviously)
Frick off with your Ewoks, George.
>I'm sick of this cope by millenials.
It's moronic zoomers, same for the sudden praise for SM3 when that garbage was hated in 2007
>It's moronic zoomers, same for the sudden praise for SM3 when that garbage was hated in 2007
What you forget is that we zoomers were also in the movie theater watching Spiderman 3.
We were too young to be pseudointellectuals like you who would later tandem deepthroat MCU slop. You hated SM3 because you felt cool hating on it.
I liked Attack of the Clones, that and empire are my favorites.
I loved Mando, season 3 was disjointed as hell.
Andor was cool but too slow for me.
I loved the last 2 seasons of Clone Wars.
Obiwan series was ok if you ignore the Leia/Reeva bull.
I was luke-warm on Ahsoka until Episode 5, E 5 is the best Disney Star Wars thing ever. sincerely, 1980.
Clones gets too much shit.
It has so many good moments its crazy.
>Anakin's massacre
>Kamino
> The whole Asteroid fight
>Yoda fighting was awesome.
>the political intrigue is good.
>The whole Arena/final battle.
the only "problems" is that the romance is awkward and Anakin is a sperg, but that's because nerds hate seeing themselves reflected on the screen.
>Anakin's massacre
You're only correct statement
>Kamino
Created a shit ton of plotholes and inconsistencies particularly with Sifo Dias who is never explained or expanded on.
> The whole Asteroid fight
Was literally a fan service scene that stole from Empire Stikes Back. It's a literal role reversal of the Slave 1 tracking down the Millenium Falcon.
>Yoda fighting was awesome.
Yoda should be above using a lightsaber, he literally states as much in Empire. Yoda should be the kind of master that could kick your ass with the force alone because to him a Lightsaber is nothing but ceremonial. It made him look less powerful.
>The political intrigue is good.
No it isn't. It hardly addressed to begin with and even then just boils down to bad guys want to secede because Palpatine told them to.
>The whole Arena/final battle.
It's pretty pointless spectacle for the sake of itself. At least the podrace served a greater narrative purpose. The arean fight is pretty pointless and could be skipped without missing anything narratively important seeing as everyone is deus ex machina'd into being saved by the Jedi and then the Clones.
>Yoda should be above using a lightsaber, he literally states as much in Empire. Yoda should be the kind of master that could kick your ass with the force alone because to him a Lightsaber is nothing but ceremonial. It made him look less powerful.
It also looked like shit.
>Yoda
It's almost like Yoda was a different person before Empire, and changed as a person to be "above using a saber" after years of fighting in a war that changed his perspective as a person. Yoda appearing less powerful is a GOOD thing, you want your protagonists/mentor figures to not appear like the second coming of Christ.
>Kamino
the Sifo dias stuff is explained entirely in the scene with jango and Obi Wan and the very end. You are angry that GL didn't spoon-feed you.
Jango says he never knew dias, but got hired by a guy called Tyrannus "on one of the moons of Bogden".
At the end of the movie, Tyrannus is revealed to be Dooku.
this is all explained in the film. The only reason there is so much explanation in post-release media is because OG star wars fans ARE moronic.
>Pointless spectacle
homie, Star Wars is supposed to be fun. The arena scene is fun. It is also supposed to highlight the war breaking out. It is just as plot-critical as the assault on Hoth, arguably more so.
>The whole asteroid fight is just the inverse of ESB!
Yeah homie, the whole point of AotC is that it's a thematic inversion of ESB. Also, the seismic charges are some of the coolest weapons in Star Wars, periodt.
>The political intruigue is bad actually.
Well, imo, it's kind of based how Palpatine manufactures a separation crisis by playing into people's greed and the very bureaucracy he leveraged. Also, using a seeming political idealist to crystalize this opposition to not only grab greedy bureaucrats, but hopeful idealists. It actually transfers over pretty well to our world how populists will address real problems (awful bureaucracies) to push their own horrific ends.
>Yeah homie, the whole point of AotC is that it's a thematic inversion of ESB
Oh you're one of those morons that thinks fan wank in the prequels is deep while hating it in the sequels.
I wish but no, they were garbage. You don't actually read or consume anything and grew up on that so you're ignorant.
They were always a mixed bag. It was just fashionable to focus on the negative, and now it's fashionable to focus on the positive. Neither is the whole story. The plot being good doesn't mean that the pacing wasn't bad, and the frequently underbaked and overused special effects doesn't mean it wasn't loaded with groundbreakingly good visual effects.
The plotting is terrible, though.
As the legendary Koh Theory Guy said: The plot was never good and they bumbled everything about it.
More like zoomers don't have their opinions prescribed for them via Mike Stolkasa
My guess is most people that disliked the prequels still do, but they don't care about discussing them anymore. For the average person the "debate" about the prequels ended in 2005. I don't think there's been much in the way of reappraisal.
Actually the prequel *hate* (or at least the second wave) was a Disney psyop. Gen Xers had already gotten most of the prequel bashing out of their system by the time ROTS came out, but then out of nowhere the hate surged to higher than ever before in the early 2010s.
I always liked episodes I and III. Seethe more.
Didn’t care for Attack of the Clones?
It's the most awkwardly made of the prequels. Worst acting, worst CGI, recycled music from the first one, love story that doesn't make you care, etc. Feels like Lucas's spirit was crushed after TPM got bashed, and he didn't get the enthusiasm back until ROTS.
Yeah, I agree. Besides the introduction of the clones it felt rather pointless and wasn’t nearly as fun as Phantom or New Hope
And since AOTC launched a whole new era of SW content it feels like the opportunity for it to be a great movie was squandered
ROTS shares many of the same problems. It just feels like less of a waste of time.
Lol. Disney tried their hardest to scrub the prequels from public consciousness during the TFA era.
>Disney made the prequels popular before they bought them, making star wars more expensive to purchase
Are you moronic?
I'll tell you what we don't lack....feminine hygiene
Not true. I was convicted 7 years ago.
>MORE FLASHBACKS
>MORE TIME TRAVEL
>MORE RETCONS
>THIS WILL BRING THEM ALL BACK!
We got cucked by Ahsoka having her first meeting with Vader in rebels and Filoni has been desperately trying to redo it
god i want him to pin me down
have Gen Xers ever made anything good? the only good gen x thing I've found is Venture bros, otherwise, your generation's shiny knights are what; kevin smith and JJ abrams?
Is Mike Judge Gen X?
he's close, but not quite.
Gen x is considered to be 1965-80
Judge was born in 62.
Its actually nuts; there are very few actually good Gen X creators. even guys like fricking Greg Weismann are boomers.
I think this reflects you having a very limited knowledge of the arts more than anything else, or maybe just not realizing the ages of people.
I actually think millennials, gen zers and boomers have made loads of wonderful art. I just can't find anything really impressive coming out of the gen x (1965-1980) age range.
What about Avatar the Last Airbender? Or Metalocalypse?
Genndy Tartakovsky (and a lot of his contemporaries like Craig McCracken)
I can think of a number of directors. Even with animation specifically you have Tartakovsky and McCracken, two creators this board obsesses over.
I watched both the original trilogy and prequels for the first time recently, so I had absolutely no nostalgia biasing me. The prequels were better and more fun than the original trilogy. As someone who had only known about Star Wars from cultural osmosis, they definitely felt the most “Star Wars”. Their aesthetics and world building were better as well.
based and true.
Episode III is easily the best single star wars movie. Its one of the best big budget movies of the 2000s.
Well at least I don't lack a mother
not a single nustarwars character gets positive reaction as clone wars era characters
Prequelgays are controlled opposition or pajeets.
yes of course. we're making the unidentified frog like anthropoids gay
Can someone tell me the context?
>Can someone tell me the context?
Big Daddy Ani confronted his old apprentice in the World Between Worlds to teach her a lesson about keeping up the fight in the latest episode of the Ahsoka series, which was filled with 2008 Clone Wars nostalgia bait.