OT boomers will never understand. Every critique, aside from ones about CGI in general, they lay on the prequels are twice as relevant for the OT. the prequels are just unfiltered Star Wars. They don't like Star wars. They like some muddled concoction created by multiple creative minds, editors, staffers, etc. fighting over what should and shouldn't be. What you get is the worst of everyone's ideas. The prequels, like them or hate them, are REAL star wars, unburdened by the visions of people who didn't create it. If you don't like it, you don't like Star wars. So stop pretending, you just like the worst of whoever worked together on the OT and Mrs. Lucas' editing.
they expected their head canon that was build up over the past 30 years.
and then thats not what they got.
they fantasy world came to a crashing halt and they were left with reality
the outrage for the PT is just people coping by lashing out.
>Every critique, aside from ones about CGI in general, they lay on the prequels are twice as relevant for the OT
this is why i can never take redditlettermedia seriously
Prequels are exactly like Enterprise,
At the time it was sub par and an unworthy representation of your headcanon
Then woke slop came around and now they really don' t look so bad
star wars is a myth created by moronic burgers and the hollywoodian zeitgeist that dominates them. no one ever cared about this shitty show since they tried to make ewoks the new mickey mouse (except furries, I'm sure there's a furry burger (a neoplasm) out there that's sexually attracted to an ewok. I forglot what I was saying, so I'll just stop.
nah, I don't care much about speed, though I did smell a whole lot of crack cocaine in my youth. I care about the slimness of a waist, not of a dinosaur but of a humane womanly maybe one. say no to dinosaurs and bears. say no to furry shit. and live sane long, as said a chinese poem translated by Sir Arthur Waley
Kek, star wars was has to be a cursed series, in terms of creative liberty and story telling, and its fan base lol. No one seems to know what movies/movie is even good anymore, what was Lucas’ original intentions. Scripts, etc. No one really knows what killed the series, everyone’s so divided holy shit lmao
This. The prequels were the world's most expensive indie films. George had full creative control and funded everything. While also creating an entirely new format.
You're wrong though. George will be remembered as the one who created Star Wars. Mike, alongside JJ, KK and Dave will be remembered as the ones who murdered it.
They didn't. People hated the prequels before video essays on youtube were a thing, before youtube was a thing, before the average person was really online at all. Long before you were born. In fact, those factors generally mean that the hate for the prequels was probably more organic and natural than anything you experienced since.
It's the weirdest cope. Everyone hated TPM. Simpsons even had an episode where Lisa and Bart meet a Lucas expy & tell him how shitty TPM was. It aired 2004.
I was a kid when TPM was released so I saw it and the other two in the cinemas, I wouldn't say they were hated but they weren't loved like the original movies were
they were definitely made fun of especially Haydens acting and the love story plot in attack of the clones, I'd say they were just kind of disappointing because they had a lot to live up to
now the sequels they were shit I can't think of anything good about them at all
I think the biggest difference was the marketing and products that people consumed at the time, everyone still bought action figures, legos, playsets, video games, collectors box sets, posters etc. and Lucas pumped those out like crazy, especially during the release of TPM you couldn't go anywhere without seeing stuff about it (LOTR was like this too), but the sequels happened with the Disney merger and it seems kids just play lootbox games on iPads now
really star wars just became a big product to market and Disney don't seem to use it that well aside from making shitty extended universe shows, though times have changed and people don't want that stuff anymore unless you're a 60 year old man buying stormtrooper Funko pops for your mancave full of guitars and movie memorabilia
It's the weirdest cope. Everyone hated TPM. Simpsons even had an episode where Lisa and Bart meet a Lucas expy & tell him how shitty TPM was. It aired 2004.
Younger zoomers literally can't comprehend a world without youtube, its like trying to explain color to the blind. Ironically they're convinced that some meme convinced people to hate the prequels because some meme convinced them the prequels were good.
>the hate for the prequels was probably more organic and natural than anything you experienced since.
Back in the early 2000s, prequel hatred was limited to the occasional sneed cartoon and try-hard youtube "comedy" skits. Mike took those cynical criticisms and amped up the dishonesty to 100 and then wrapped up it up with slick editing that constantly misdirected you into his shitty conclusions. It spread like wildfire.
The prequel reviews were some of the funniest, most insightful, and most entertaining videos on the web, which informed basically a generation of people's humor and outlook. Even if you personally didn't like them, they hit on feelings that lots of fans had had about the prequels but might have been unable to say.
I remember how huge the TPM review was and how quickly it spread. Then everyone went and watched his Star Wars reviews.
His prequel reviews had terrible arguments and lies that nowadays got disproved to death, so it isn't really surprising that emotional gen-xers liked them.
It's the weirdest cope. Everyone hated TPM. Simpsons even had an episode where Lisa and Bart meet a Lucas expy & tell him how shitty TPM was. It aired 2004.
I genuinely didn't know people hated the prequels until years Revenge of the Sith was over, so it was really just an old person thing. If you were the target audience it was an amazing time to be a Star Wars fan with all the shows, games, clone merch, ect.
"Hate" is such a strong word. That stuff belongs in the post 2014-15 rage culture which didn't exist in the early 2000s as far as I'm aware. There's objectively nothing to "hate" about the prequel trilogy, if you're being honest and discussing it in good faith. Ok the RLM review was released in the late 2000s, but how many people saw it? Out of the millions that saw Star Wars?
>but how many people saw it? Out of the millions that saw Star Wars?
Not many, but the totality of people who saw the movie aren't the group we're talking about. We're talking about the vocal subgroup of viewers who actually talk about it beyond the week or so after they see it in theaters. Amongst that group the proportion is much much higher. >There's objectively nothing to "hate" about the prequel trilogy, if you're being honest and discussing it in good faith.
The people who hated it were a specific demographic of late genXers who saw the OT as children or teens years after it originally ran in theaters. They have such an strange emotional response to the prequels because the OT to them were eternal mythical tales which transcended time as they were from before they were aware and they didn't exist as fully formed adults to understand the context of the films. They were in their 20s when the prequels were releasing and it made many of them seethe because it violated their headcanon for what Star Wars was supposed to be. As
OT boomers will never understand. Every critique, aside from ones about CGI in general, they lay on the prequels are twice as relevant for the OT. the prequels are just unfiltered Star Wars. They don't like Star wars. They like some muddled concoction created by multiple creative minds, editors, staffers, etc. fighting over what should and shouldn't be. What you get is the worst of everyone's ideas. The prequels, like them or hate them, are REAL star wars, unburdened by the visions of people who didn't create it. If you don't like it, you don't like Star wars. So stop pretending, you just like the worst of whoever worked together on the OT and Mrs. Lucas' editing.
points out these people didn't like Star Wars. They liked a strange chimeric amalgamation of what they thought the movies were, the impressions they got of the people involved, and what the culture seemed like at the time. The time of their childhood.
They were idolizing something associated with a simpler happier time of their life. Not the thing itself, but the feelings they felt when they first discovered it. It should be no surprise that the further works Lucas did in the universe fell flat for them. They never cared about what Star Wars really was in the first place, just what it represented to them at that specific time in their life. It's easy to prove this is the case by exposing the movies to people who don't have preexisting feelings about the series or don't watch movies. They rarely have strong feelings in any way about the prequels vs the OT other than a light personal preference for one era.
By that logic you should love Empire because you have fonder memories of it. The associated memories surrounding the film altering the person's feeling about the film after the fact is the point I was getting at. I have no feelings about the prequels or the OT strong enough to make me spazz like these morons. It's likely because I never saw any of them until I was in my late 20s around the time ep7 came out.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What's your argument then? People shouldn't like things they watched as kids?
We're on a film board. Of course people are passionate about movies
7 months ago
Anonymous
There's nothing wrong with liking what you watched as a kid. There's nothing with preferring what you're familiar with either. But you're going to look like an immature moron if you lose your composure and go on a crusade against an artist because his new works don't give you the tummy tingles it gave when you were a kid. Doubly so if you don't even realize it's what's going on when it's plain to see for bystanders to the outbursts.
A work of art meaning something special to you because it came to you in a specific time of your life is a normal part of interacting with art. Thinking that having this very personal experience means that the piece will hold the same emotional value to every one else, is not.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I grew up with both the OT and prequels at the same time, so your point is moot
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you're not part of the RLM crowd who loses their mind over the prequels because they can't distinguish between the quality of a film itself and the emotions they associate with the time in which they saw a film. I didn't think you were to begin with. So what's the disagreement?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>muh RLM
That's just a prequeltard conspiracy theory
7 months ago
Anonymous
A "work of art" can be bad, wrong and detrimental to a previous associated work of art
As others have said, people were hating on the prequels HARD before RLM showed up. What RLM did was make a bunch of really shitty disingenuous justifications and arguments that have been parroted to death and are more annoying than the prequels at this point.
nah bruh. The first movie I ever went to as a kid was ESTB and I was always a massive SW fan. I went tot he movies to see this with my friend like the day it came out. I had waited for nearly 20 YEARS for this and when I got out of the movie I was like "wtf was that." One of the biggest disappointments of my life
Simpsons was already an irrelevant cultural artifact by 2004, you old ass malding burnout
People talk about the Prequels 10x as much as they do about the Originals
The Originals are boring and dated while the Prequels are timeless
You need to cope with these facts. Your life will be better.
>get proven wrong >immediately shift the goalposts like a redditor homosexual
I understand you were born in 2002 so your brain hasnt fully developed yet, but please try to be less of an ignorant double Black person in the future
No, it's true. Controversial works survive. This is how we have more of the works of Catullus, a raunchy sex pervert, than Virgil, the greatest Roman poet to ever exist.
The Rifftrax guys actually started it then RLM came in and stole all of their talking points. Most people don't realize that because Rifftrax paywalls they're videos
I hate that every post here is some tablet zoomer saying things they don't even believe so some other tablet zoomer will call them "sussy" on a website
i hate that gen-X and their millennial grovelers are so detached from reality they genuinely can't understand the prequels were good movies that had amazing universe building.
Because your image has a mostly gray, desaturated color palette like in the real world, making it boring.
That TPM photo on the other hand, has more saturated colors, warmer tones etc. making it visually more interesting.
Picrel palettes of both images, side by side.
TPM feels the most like the OT of the prequels in my opinion, but it's still bad and filled with terrible ideas.
All of its HD releases look like shit too, as a perpetual reminder that Lucasfilm was more than capable of doing stupid things before it was sold to Disney. It's almost impressive.
>And honestly I could live with Jar Jar if they got rid of the fart scene
This tells you about the degree of maturity of the average Prequel seether. Whiny, spoiled brats.
Americans are puritanically obsessed with maturity the same way they're obsessed with sex and violence and any other aspect of the human experience
You know that normal adults can go to the circus for fun? In the US the circus died out as childish kiddy shit and instead adults get together to watch a homosexual crack lame jokes into a mic on stage
You all take yourselves too fricking seriously considering what you are
Jesus fricking christ this thread is r3ddit-tier levels of circle jerking. I myself don't care to hate or love the prequels too much. I really liked OT star wars but for the love of god you are all acting like the prequel are faultless. And FYI, redlettermedia is still relevant and continuing to make quality content. Can you say the same for Star Wars?
because phantom menace sucked shit and being a child when it came out doesn't excuse shit taste in adulthood
remember those videos from the 70s of people going to new hope like 3 times in a row
nobody ever did that for any prequel because they are ass and nobody cares about space asian taxes
The was no reason whatsoever to have a wide shot of all the racers banners being carried out before the pod race but that autistic moron insisted on it and it’s pure daily
OT never had fantastic shots like this because Lucas was still unrefined as a film maker. These are his absolute peak and when he was on his A game as an artist
I don't think it's just the cameras per se. TPM also had more involved sets and location work which made things less claustrophobic feeling. Even the notoriously awful home releases of TPM still come out looking better than ROTS because of this.
I purposely create threads and shitpost in prequel threads to spread false positive reception and opinions about these movies, especially PM. I actually detest these movies, but seeing others joining in on the narrative as well as seeing fanatical and gullible idiots think they are among friends is truly too enjoyable to pass up. Eventually I'd love to see the general normal online opinion of these awful films to be more positive than negative, simply because it's funny.
Episode 1 is such a comfy fun film that stands above the rest of the star wars films. it had a perfect mix of modern CGI and practical effects. its also the widest film in scope giving you a feeling of how vast the galaxy is yet still isolating the story to the drama going on with Naboo.
I can understand why OT boomers and gen Xers might hate it but they were not kids when it came out.
>They still are but in the worst way.
I assume that 90% of prequel haters were frothing at the mouth with excitement as they watched the force awakens. ''take that George we don't need you cause JJ Abrams just saved the day!''
the issue is if George just made a rip off of the OT like JJ did they would have loved the prequels like they loved the sequels.
You'd like that, wouldn't you, you coombrained little boomer bawd.
7 months ago
Anonymous
lol. Something like 1 in 6 in the zoomer generation identifies as some type of homosexual
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, your shit parenting if not outright raping them is what caused that, you filthy sodomite.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So that's why you like TPM? 'cause your uncle gave you a rusty trombone as a kid?
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, I'm just explaining you why there are so many insane people out there, the reason is boomers being perpetual manchildren and child abusers. One could see hating on the Prequels being similar to abusing your kids, both stemming from your own stunted development.
I know you're baiting/trolling, but this is objectively the peak of the series. So much darkness, so much power, and Ian McDiarmids acting is the personification of evil.
Too bad the space teddy bears destroy the rest of the film. RoTJ was a blunder and Luke's parts were the only good parts of the film. Star wars has 12 films and only 2 of them are good, 1 is mediocre and the rest are dogshit.
This. ESB fight is perfect. RotJ is almost perfect, but you can see vader drop on cue to the railing when luke starts wailing instead of acting like he lost his footing.
No, but it's pretty crazy though how easy it was to break you. Hyperbolically as it may have been to say what I said, part of you knows there's truth to it.
At least even fricking James Rolfe said he loved Revenge of the Sith. I can’t see how you can be a Star Wars fan and hate that movie.
His perspective on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was also more reasonable than most people. Yes it has some cheesy scenes, but it’s still better than Temple of Doom. Let’s face it, it was never going to be as good as Raiders or Last Crusade, but it’s way overhated.
Crystal Skull was a fricking godsend compared to the terrible slop that was Dial of Destiny. Seriously, Disney somehow make the mediocre flicks like Crystal Skull and the Old Republic MMO look like masterpieces compared to the garbage they've put out.
>fanboys think they understand more about Star Wars than its own creator
Xers are fricked in the head they honestly think they could make something better then what George did but when one of them {JJ} tried we got the sequels
Hating the prequels is impossible once you understand what characterization is.
Anakin's path is incredibly well written. The movie around that, not so much.
The prequels just aren't very good films. I don't understand the desire/need to fixate on them either way. I grew up with the prequels. They're bad. Next.
bs most of you were gitty like 12 years old girls at Justin biber concert when force awakens came out. you goofs even shilled TFA for a year or 2 till the last jedi came out.
Yea there was hype around it, sure. And I thought it was disappointing just like TPM was. I was never impressed with Force Awakens. And then Last Jedi really burned any chance of the rest of the trilogy being any good.
>TFA
big space weapon that blows up planets with laser beams gets destroyed by x wing and millennium falcon >TLJ
big showdown on snow planet fighting walker robots >ROS
big show down against bad guys with fleet of good guy ships where emperor is killed
the sequels were a lover letter from Disney to all the seething prequel haters. the fact is they got exactly what they had been begging for a rip off of the OT something George refused to do.
we will never forgive we will never forget what Xer gays like JJ and you did
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nice Reddit spacing. Are you gonna pretend that scenes like the Queen of Naboo personally thanking and cleaning R2 weren't there to pander to OT fans?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>having a consistent cast of characters vs. copying rough outline and filling it with zero soul
7 months ago
Anonymous
Seas of CGI robots are not le sovlful, zoomer.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>muh CGI
Plenty of them were physical + it's about the design, not the fact it's CGI. Cope and seethe, boomer zombie.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it's about the design, not the fact it's CGI.
Oh okay. So I guess you're willing to give the Hobbit or Marvel movies a pass for their seas of CG slop, too,?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>crying about CGI in general
What a poor outlook on things. Totally stunted.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It was slop then and it's slop now. If I want to play vidya I'll go play vidya.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, you're just stunted. Stupid stuff. Rejecting CG is pure mediocrity.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Enjoy your PS2 cutscenes then.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>muh PS2
Always this with the rabble. The limit of their culturedness.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The Prequels look like PS2 games, anon. You are old enough to know what a PS2 is, right?
7 months ago
Anonymous
You stink.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're a flaming homo
7 months ago
Anonymous
Shut up, rabble. Wash up and slave on.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You talk like a gay and your shit's all moronic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Your excessive "homophobia" resembles that of a closeted gay man. Sad.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The word "homophobic" is gay
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not exactly, it was coined by a israelite. And originally it was refering to heterosexual men's fear of being perceived as gay. You probably are a closeted homosexal though, really going into overdrive with the gay slurs. Sad. Like, why else would that even be so consistently on your mind?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Nice Reddit spacing
never been on reddit
I can tell my comment struck deep if that's your only retort you fricking Xer goof
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the fact is they got exactly what they had been begging for a rip off of the OT
I never wanted that, though. The prequels and sequels are both just bad.
For me, Luke and Leia being related is the stupidest shit to happen.
It makes sense in retrospect. What happened is that in Empire, Lucas recognized that you needed stakes because if the hero goes to confront the villain, you know he won't die. So he had Yoda say 'there is another.' In the commentary, he explains this, saying that 'if you say there's another, it tells the audience that the main character doesn't matter and can die.' But then in Return of the Jedi, he still had to address that. The plan was originally to just have some other rando guy Jedi. But in the writing phase, Lucas wanted Luke to go NOOOOOOO and couldn't think of anything that would make Luke snap. Then Lucas realized that he could reveal that Leia is Luke's sister and Vader wants to turn her.
And then Lucas incorporated the whole 'attachments makes you fall to the Dark Side' with Luke going NOOOO about losing his sister with Anakin, and also retconned aspects of Vader being a pathetic person, driven to evil because of love, the same love that almost doomed Luke, and tied to a prophecy about ending the Sith. The original plan was to have Luke 'get the girl.' Leia kisses Luke in the original movie, shows that she's totally not into him in ESB and goes with the bad boy Han but then eventually ends up with Luke. This is why you still see Leia kiss Luke at the end of ESB.
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It was meant to be an ongoing love triangle but it got retconned because Lucas wanted to add stakes in ESB.
So lemme get this straight; Lucas made shit up along the way either because >A
He didn’t had a story to begin with >B
Budget constraints >C
Had an explosion of nice and honestly well crafted ideas, but didn’t know how to incorporate them in the story >D
He lied and kept saying it was all planned out and that some things had to be changed and that Star Wars was always going to be 12 films, or 9, or just OT and PT but then the ST was added last second, what the frick is going on holy shit kek
Yes. Lucas never planned sequels/follow-up movies when he made the original Star Wars movie. He left the door open with Vader surviving the Death Star but it was never concrete. He clearly had ideas since he asked for merchandizing rights which is how he ended up financing the rest of the movies, but he had definite plan. This is why you get the inconsistencies of Obi-Wan telling Luke the truth 'from a certain point of view' about Vader in Return of the Jedi which is just another retcon. Vader was just some Empire enforcer, never Luke's father. Lucas is a notorious liar about having planned everything. What helped is that he took a 15 year break to raise his daughter and, during that time, read and thought about how to structure and plan the prequel movies, which is why the original trilogy is rather shallow in terms of ideas and philosophy compared to the prequel movies.
However, the only thing you can be sure Lucas planned out in the prequel movies was the relationship of Anakin and Padme (more specifically Anakin's fall). There's even evidence from the first booklet of TPM that the Republic and democracy were never meant to be 'good.' For example, the reason the Republic was crumbling was due to over-taxation. This is only hinted at with the Trade Federation, but it was literally insane taxes that was fricking everything. Padme in TPM literally goes 'I see now that democracy has failed' only to then become a supporter of democracy in Attack of the Clones. He changed his mind about going full democracy is good after the first movie.
What he spent a lot of time on was how to connect the main theme of letting go with the force mechanism that he introduced in Return of the Jedi of attachments making you go evil.
I spent too much time researching Lucas and Star Wars.
>Padme in TPM literally goes 'I see now that democracy has failed' only to then become a supporter of democracy in Attack of the Clones. He changed his mind about going full democracy is good after the first movie.
How does that make sense
In Attack of the Clones, Padme is literally the representative of democracy and fights to have uphold it. In Revenge of the Sith, she is lamenting on the failure of democracy which makes no sense if she was already lamenting in Phantom Menace that democracy was shit. This is why it's important that she is the character that goes 'this is how democracy dies.' It's also why she is the one who schools Anakin in Attack of the Clones on how democracy works during their picnic.
The point is that Lucas had a more nuanced view where democracy in TPM wasn't good and lead to the decay and collapse of the Republic due to over-taxation, but then changed his mind on the degree of the decay by the next movie.
Episode 1 was made for 90s kids not for decrepit old boomer and gen x geeks.
when millennial kids saw this they developed a mommy Portman fetish when Xtards and boomers saw this they saw 2 kids smiling at each other. the fact is they will never and can never understand or like the prequels cause the films were not made for them.
>Not exactly, it was coined by a israelite. And originally it was refering to heterosexual men's fear of being perceived as gay. You probably are a closeted homosexal though, really going into overdrive with the gay slurs. Sad. Like, why else would that even be so consistently on your mind?
I'll give you another chance here, rabbly boy. Explain why every other word of yours is somewhat gay related? Why do you have that shit on your mind all the time? Dare you answer or will you just dodge with garbage tier meme posting?
>I'll give you another chance here, rabbly boy. Explain why every other word of yours is somewhat gay related? Why do you have that shit on your mind all the time? Dare you answer or will you just dodge with garbage tier meme posting?
/tv/'s unironic defense of the prequels, more than anything else, has made me realize that many people on this board are genuine plebs with no taste in film at all. You don't see this kind of shit on the other boards. Imagine if there was a 200+ reply thread on Cinemaphile where people where vehemently defending something like the new Drake album, insisting that it was actually some grand artistic statement. Why is Cinemaphile so uniquely moronic? At least the other boards have some level of gatekeeping.
>200+ reply thread on Cinemaphile where people where vehemently defending something like the new Drake album
the prequels are 2 decades old unlike some shit nu-rapper album you homosexuals used to think was based but in reality was always a fricking poser.
Cinemaphile does the same thing with Infinite Jest
Also, in some ways the prequels are good. It's not that simple. And they underpinned what is arguably the golden age of video games and formative years of many posters here
I've honestly scene this specific screenshot of the movie because it's been on every possible source of news and marketing for months so many times that I'd go as far as to say it's the first recorded example of Whale.png phenomenon.
I know I'm biased because I saw Ep 1 when I was a kid, but I don't know, I really love the master/padawan dynamic between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Maul was and is still cool as frick, lightsaber with two blades for the first time. The podracer race was fricking great, that final fight with that god tier soundtrack. I know people hate Jar Jar, but the only moment they are going too far with him is during the final battle for like 1 or 2 minutes, otherwise he is just a classic comic relief.
>Alien chinks building an army of cheap droids is a lot more interesting than generic goons who can't aim.
Let's see... Stormtroopers hitting main characters score: 1 (Leia); Battle Droids hitting main characters score: 0
it makes sense within the story why the fodder enemies are useless to the protagonists (jedis can cut them down like butter and use the force). they were designed to be deterrents and to take over cities, which is what they are actually good at (and killing clones). stormtroopers are just incompetent for plot armors sake.
>You don't understand the subtle genius of the Neimoidians... you see... they wanted their battle droids to be useless against the Jedi and only 1% useful against the clones
>Neimoidians
Jesus christ, dude, no one cares about your weebiness. kys. I guarantee you're the only homosexual in this board who knows what the frick a neimoidian is.
i guess you can't read correctly. the battle droids aren't designed to be jedi killers, they are cheap mass produced infantry built to take over cities and scare politicians. it makes sense why the jedi are able to tear them down like nothing. droidekas were built in response to jedis
7 months ago
Anonymous
Wait... but didn't Battle Droids kill like two dozen Jedi during the Battle of Geonosis. How does that fit into your theory, Professor?
7 months ago
Anonymous
i was referring to the typical scene where the characters are in corridors/rooms. geonosis is the exception in that its a full scare war with thousands of droids in the open. geonosis itself is more than stormshitters ever did which is which was your original point about which had a bigger impact
7 months ago
Anonymous
Geonosis Battle Droids killed a few dozen Jedi.
Stormtroopers blew up a planet.
I'd say Stormtroopers take this round.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What? All the Storm Troopers did was defend the base, it was Imperial officers who fired the weapon and engineers who built it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Those were the lame Jedi who only dealt with the occasional thug, not an army of robot gunmen. Jedi like Qui Gon Jin and Kenobi were anomalies, most Jedi during the decadent late Republic era were not nearly as skilled in combat. Maul would have bulldozed like nine of those guys
It wasnt until post-Geonosis that they redoubled their training exercises.
And since all the wimpy Jedi were killed off anyway, the remaining Jedi Generals were the superhuman space samurai you see in the shitty Clone Wars TV show + other non-movie content
Lucas came up with a good design and space fantasy idea. He was never capable of more. Prequels sucks, even OT was just ok because of Empire strikes back, but ROTJ ruined it. Only Bioware could implement all his ideas in the right way and made a real KINO rpg of all time.
True. I don't like it. I don't like the fact that this is just about as good as modern Star Wars gets.
OT boomers will never understand. Every critique, aside from ones about CGI in general, they lay on the prequels are twice as relevant for the OT. the prequels are just unfiltered Star Wars. They don't like Star wars. They like some muddled concoction created by multiple creative minds, editors, staffers, etc. fighting over what should and shouldn't be. What you get is the worst of everyone's ideas. The prequels, like them or hate them, are REAL star wars, unburdened by the visions of people who didn't create it. If you don't like it, you don't like Star wars. So stop pretending, you just like the worst of whoever worked together on the OT and Mrs. Lucas' editing.
People were expecting the prequels to be mind blowing original trilogy made with modern technology.
they expected their head canon that was build up over the past 30 years.
and then thats not what they got.
they fantasy world came to a crashing halt and they were left with reality
the outrage for the PT is just people coping by lashing out.
this. same issue with crystal skull. long awaited sequels to rabid fanbases are doomed every time
>Every critique, aside from ones about CGI in general, they lay on the prequels are twice as relevant for the OT
this is why i can never take redditlettermedia seriously
>Every critique, aside from ones about CGI in general, they lay on the prequels are twice as relevant for the OT
Kek
Prequels are exactly like Enterprise,
At the time it was sub par and an unworthy representation of your headcanon
Then woke slop came around and now they really don' t look so bad
star wars is a myth created by moronic burgers and the hollywoodian zeitgeist that dominates them. no one ever cared about this shitty show since they tried to make ewoks the new mickey mouse (except furries, I'm sure there's a furry burger (a neoplasm) out there that's sexually attracted to an ewok. I forglot what I was saying, so I'll just stop.
Sneed
nah, I don't care much about speed, though I did smell a whole lot of crack cocaine in my youth. I care about the slimness of a waist, not of a dinosaur but of a humane womanly maybe one. say no to dinosaurs and bears. say no to furry shit. and live sane long, as said a chinese poem translated by Sir Arthur Waley
Kek, star wars was has to be a cursed series, in terms of creative liberty and story telling, and its fan base lol. No one seems to know what movies/movie is even good anymore, what was Lucas’ original intentions. Scripts, etc. No one really knows what killed the series, everyone’s so divided holy shit lmao
This. The prequels were the world's most expensive indie films. George had full creative control and funded everything. While also creating an entirely new format.
built for BFC
its insane how a bunch of talentless Milwaukee fricks somehow convinced the entire world that scene was somehow bad.
Lucas will go down as one the greatest creative minds of the century. Stoklasa will be forgotten in 5 years if not sooner
George won. Mike lost
Based. Gen X morons ruined an entire generation of innocent naive kids
You're wrong though. George will be remembered as the one who created Star Wars. Mike, alongside JJ, KK and Dave will be remembered as the ones who murdered it.
They didn't. People hated the prequels before video essays on youtube were a thing, before youtube was a thing, before the average person was really online at all. Long before you were born. In fact, those factors generally mean that the hate for the prequels was probably more organic and natural than anything you experienced since.
Nice try, Mike
It's the weirdest cope. Everyone hated TPM. Simpsons even had an episode where Lisa and Bart meet a Lucas expy & tell him how shitty TPM was. It aired 2004.
>I get my opinions from zombie Simpsons
Yeah, now I know you're a r*dditor
Nah man, I got my opinions from Rogert Ebert who liked it for the most part. But I know people hated it back then.
I was a kid when TPM was released so I saw it and the other two in the cinemas, I wouldn't say they were hated but they weren't loved like the original movies were
they were definitely made fun of especially Haydens acting and the love story plot in attack of the clones, I'd say they were just kind of disappointing because they had a lot to live up to
now the sequels they were shit I can't think of anything good about them at all
I think the biggest difference was the marketing and products that people consumed at the time, everyone still bought action figures, legos, playsets, video games, collectors box sets, posters etc. and Lucas pumped those out like crazy, especially during the release of TPM you couldn't go anywhere without seeing stuff about it (LOTR was like this too), but the sequels happened with the Disney merger and it seems kids just play lootbox games on iPads now
really star wars just became a big product to market and Disney don't seem to use it that well aside from making shitty extended universe shows, though times have changed and people don't want that stuff anymore unless you're a 60 year old man buying stormtrooper Funko pops for your mancave full of guitars and movie memorabilia
>Xoomer show about how TPM was bad (which already ran out of steam by 2004)
Doesn't count seething gen x
Younger zoomers literally can't comprehend a world without youtube, its like trying to explain color to the blind. Ironically they're convinced that some meme convinced people to hate the prequels because some meme convinced them the prequels were good.
>the hate for the prequels was probably more organic and natural than anything you experienced since.
Back in the early 2000s, prequel hatred was limited to the occasional sneed cartoon and try-hard youtube "comedy" skits. Mike took those cynical criticisms and amped up the dishonesty to 100 and then wrapped up it up with slick editing that constantly misdirected you into his shitty conclusions. It spread like wildfire.
>back in the early 2000s
>youtube
The prequel reviews were some of the funniest, most insightful, and most entertaining videos on the web, which informed basically a generation of people's humor and outlook. Even if you personally didn't like them, they hit on feelings that lots of fans had had about the prequels but might have been unable to say.
I remember how huge the TPM review was and how quickly it spread. Then everyone went and watched his Star Wars reviews.
His prequel reviews had terrible arguments and lies that nowadays got disproved to death, so it isn't really surprising that emotional gen-xers liked them.
I genuinely didn't know people hated the prequels until years Revenge of the Sith was over, so it was really just an old person thing. If you were the target audience it was an amazing time to be a Star Wars fan with all the shows, games, clone merch, ect.
"Hate" is such a strong word. That stuff belongs in the post 2014-15 rage culture which didn't exist in the early 2000s as far as I'm aware. There's objectively nothing to "hate" about the prequel trilogy, if you're being honest and discussing it in good faith. Ok the RLM review was released in the late 2000s, but how many people saw it? Out of the millions that saw Star Wars?
Primarily annoying gen xers hated the Prequels.
>There's objectively nothing to "hate" about the prequel trilogy
Except completely ruining Anakins fall to the dark side, but you do you
>but how many people saw it? Out of the millions that saw Star Wars?
Not many, but the totality of people who saw the movie aren't the group we're talking about. We're talking about the vocal subgroup of viewers who actually talk about it beyond the week or so after they see it in theaters. Amongst that group the proportion is much much higher.
>There's objectively nothing to "hate" about the prequel trilogy, if you're being honest and discussing it in good faith.
The people who hated it were a specific demographic of late genXers who saw the OT as children or teens years after it originally ran in theaters. They have such an strange emotional response to the prequels because the OT to them were eternal mythical tales which transcended time as they were from before they were aware and they didn't exist as fully formed adults to understand the context of the films. They were in their 20s when the prequels were releasing and it made many of them seethe because it violated their headcanon for what Star Wars was supposed to be. As
points out these people didn't like Star Wars. They liked a strange chimeric amalgamation of what they thought the movies were, the impressions they got of the people involved, and what the culture seemed like at the time. The time of their childhood.
They were idolizing something associated with a simpler happier time of their life. Not the thing itself, but the feelings they felt when they first discovered it. It should be no surprise that the further works Lucas did in the universe fell flat for them. They never cared about what Star Wars really was in the first place, just what it represented to them at that specific time in their life. It's easy to prove this is the case by exposing the movies to people who don't have preexisting feelings about the series or don't watch movies. They rarely have strong feelings in any way about the prequels vs the OT other than a light personal preference for one era.
By that logic I should love the prequels yet I have fonder memories of Empire.
By that logic you should love Empire because you have fonder memories of it. The associated memories surrounding the film altering the person's feeling about the film after the fact is the point I was getting at. I have no feelings about the prequels or the OT strong enough to make me spazz like these morons. It's likely because I never saw any of them until I was in my late 20s around the time ep7 came out.
What's your argument then? People shouldn't like things they watched as kids?
We're on a film board. Of course people are passionate about movies
There's nothing wrong with liking what you watched as a kid. There's nothing with preferring what you're familiar with either. But you're going to look like an immature moron if you lose your composure and go on a crusade against an artist because his new works don't give you the tummy tingles it gave when you were a kid. Doubly so if you don't even realize it's what's going on when it's plain to see for bystanders to the outbursts.
A work of art meaning something special to you because it came to you in a specific time of your life is a normal part of interacting with art. Thinking that having this very personal experience means that the piece will hold the same emotional value to every one else, is not.
I grew up with both the OT and prequels at the same time, so your point is moot
So you're not part of the RLM crowd who loses their mind over the prequels because they can't distinguish between the quality of a film itself and the emotions they associate with the time in which they saw a film. I didn't think you were to begin with. So what's the disagreement?
>muh RLM
That's just a prequeltard conspiracy theory
A "work of art" can be bad, wrong and detrimental to a previous associated work of art
So what was star wars? Han shooting first and maclunkey? Vader shouting NOOOOO in rotj? Was that really star wars?
As others have said, people were hating on the prequels HARD before RLM showed up. What RLM did was make a bunch of really shitty disingenuous justifications and arguments that have been parroted to death and are more annoying than the prequels at this point.
nah bruh. The first movie I ever went to as a kid was ESTB and I was always a massive SW fan. I went tot he movies to see this with my friend like the day it came out. I had waited for nearly 20 YEARS for this and when I got out of the movie I was like "wtf was that." One of the biggest disappointments of my life
Maybe the problem always was you being an illiterate manchild.
maybe, but we know for a fact you are fat incel with cheeto fingers
No. I'm a cute boy like Hayden.
lmao what? how young are you? people were shitting on the prequels long before the RLM reviews, they just put the nail in the coffin
>2004
>RLM did their Phantom Menace criticism in 2009
have a nice day you Lucautistic frick
Simpsons was already an irrelevant cultural artifact by 2004, you old ass malding burnout
People talk about the Prequels 10x as much as they do about the Originals
The Originals are boring and dated while the Prequels are timeless
You need to cope with these facts. Your life will be better.
>Prequels are timeless
They are glorified PS2 game cutscenes
>PS2 game cutscenes
You should stick to your video games, philistine.
Oooh Anon be steppin in da big bantha poodoo now! Heesa real boingboing mad-sa! Meesa thinks you needtah be DILATING fast-now!
What a garbage post.
Admit it, you want to suck Jar Jar’s CGI wiener. You little Prequel troony
>troony this
>suck wiener that
Get help, porn addict.
Im sorry your dad raped you, but dont take it out on me.
>get proven wrong
>immediately shift the goalposts like a redditor homosexual
I understand you were born in 2002 so your brain hasnt fully developed yet, but please try to be less of an ignorant double Black person in the future
This is just cope.
No, it's true. Controversial works survive. This is how we have more of the works of Catullus, a raunchy sex pervert, than Virgil, the greatest Roman poet to ever exist.
What a beautifully irrelevant post.
The Rifftrax guys actually started it then RLM came in and stole all of their talking points. Most people don't realize that because Rifftrax paywalls they're videos
They used force speed once then never again.
No, they convinced the Redditsphere that JJ Abrams should direct Star Wars
Not just the Redditsphere
Abrams was an obvious choice either way.
No.
That would be Luke throwing his lightsaber aside on the Death Star
I hate that every post here is some tablet zoomer saying things they don't even believe so some other tablet zoomer will call them "sussy" on a website
i hate that gen-X and their millennial grovelers are so detached from reality they genuinely can't understand the prequels were good movies that had amazing universe building.
Why does TPM look so much better than
than Clones and Sith?
because it was shot on film?
It’s a crime that digital movie cameras exist
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it was shot on film with way more practical effects
Wow.
In terms of production/post-production TPM was an ambitious proof of concept. It's a lot more than just switching to digital cameras.
Because your image has a mostly gray, desaturated color palette like in the real world, making it boring.
That TPM photo on the other hand, has more saturated colors, warmer tones etc. making it visually more interesting.
Picrel palettes of both images, side by side.
>real life is boring
TPM was genuinely the classic Star Wars formula but with 90s special effects. Literally the only problem is Jar Jar.
And honestly I could live with Jar Jar if they got rid of the fart scene
>get rid of fanservice scene
How about no
TPM feels the most like the OT of the prequels in my opinion, but it's still bad and filled with terrible ideas.
All of its HD releases look like shit too, as a perpetual reminder that Lucasfilm was more than capable of doing stupid things before it was sold to Disney. It's almost impressive.
>And honestly I could live with Jar Jar if they got rid of the fart scene
This tells you about the degree of maturity of the average Prequel seether. Whiny, spoiled brats.
Americans are puritanically obsessed with maturity the same way they're obsessed with sex and violence and any other aspect of the human experience
You know that normal adults can go to the circus for fun? In the US the circus died out as childish kiddy shit and instead adults get together to watch a homosexual crack lame jokes into a mic on stage
You all take yourselves too fricking seriously considering what you are
Yeah, throwing a fit about a fart scene is such manchild behavior, it's painful to witness.
*over
Jesus fricking christ this thread is r3ddit-tier levels of circle jerking. I myself don't care to hate or love the prequels too much. I really liked OT star wars but for the love of god you are all acting like the prequel are faultless. And FYI, redlettermedia is still relevant and continuing to make quality content. Can you say the same for Star Wars?
>redlettermedia
Unironically who?
Nice try.
>NOOOOOO YOU NEED TO KNOW SOME ZOOMER ECELEB I CAN'T EVEN RIGHT KNOW
Nice try.
TLJ makes the prequels look like Citizen Kane
Imagine listening to those freaks.
this poor guy is false flagging really hard trying to get his thread over
Lol no. The prequels are shit and always will be.
Peak
+
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Baste
because phantom menace sucked shit and being a child when it came out doesn't excuse shit taste in adulthood
remember those videos from the 70s of people going to new hope like 3 times in a row
nobody ever did that for any prequel because they are ass and nobody cares about space asian taxes
Go to bed, Mike
I unironically believe this. Remove Jar Jar and make Anakin a teenager and Episode 1 becomes one of the best star wars movies ever made.
Even with the cringe of jar jar and annie it's still cringe-kino
>Remove the soul
How about no
watch the RLM reviews
kys
Unironically KINO
The was no reason whatsoever to have a wide shot of all the racers banners being carried out before the pod race but that autistic moron insisted on it and it’s pure daily
Daily what?
Just daily
He died before typing the sentence. Now, he’s not your problem.
OT never had fantastic shots like this because Lucas was still unrefined as a film maker. These are his absolute peak and when he was on his A game as an artist
TPM is so much better-looking than II and III. Digital cinematography is shit.
I don't think it's just the cameras per se. TPM also had more involved sets and location work which made things less claustrophobic feeling. Even the notoriously awful home releases of TPM still come out looking better than ROTS because of this.
even at its peak star wars was complete goyslop
People like you have made that word become meaningless.
It was always meaningless.
star wars is unironically goyslop. just because it's old doesn't make it good
No, isn't and never was. It's not the ideal space opera (which would have a Catholic cosmology) but it's far from bad.
I purposely create threads and shitpost in prequel threads to spread false positive reception and opinions about these movies, especially PM. I actually detest these movies, but seeing others joining in on the narrative as well as seeing fanatical and gullible idiots think they are among friends is truly too enjoyable to pass up. Eventually I'd love to see the general normal online opinion of these awful films to be more positive than negative, simply because it's funny.
Episode 1 is such a comfy fun film that stands above the rest of the star wars films. it had a perfect mix of modern CGI and practical effects. its also the widest film in scope giving you a feeling of how vast the galaxy is yet still isolating the story to the drama going on with Naboo.
I can understand why OT boomers and gen Xers might hate it but they were not kids when it came out.
>but they were not kids when it came out
They still are but in the worst way.
>They still are but in the worst way.
I assume that 90% of prequel haters were frothing at the mouth with excitement as they watched the force awakens. ''take that George we don't need you cause JJ Abrams just saved the day!''
the issue is if George just made a rip off of the OT like JJ did they would have loved the prequels like they loved the sequels.
I hate the Prequels and the Sequels. Why cant Prequelgays comprehend this?
They're not the brightest.
We can, we call you OT boomers and spit on you.
>goyslop
: |
>goyslop, 1999
: OOOOOOOO
You spit on our wieners before you suck us off.
You'd like that, wouldn't you, you coombrained little boomer bawd.
lol. Something like 1 in 6 in the zoomer generation identifies as some type of homosexual
Yeah, your shit parenting if not outright raping them is what caused that, you filthy sodomite.
So that's why you like TPM? 'cause your uncle gave you a rusty trombone as a kid?
No, I'm just explaining you why there are so many insane people out there, the reason is boomers being perpetual manchildren and child abusers. One could see hating on the Prequels being similar to abusing your kids, both stemming from your own stunted development.
I know you're baiting/trolling, but this is objectively the peak of the series. So much darkness, so much power, and Ian McDiarmids acting is the personification of evil.
Too bad the space teddy bears destroy the rest of the film. RoTJ was a blunder and Luke's parts were the only good parts of the film. Star wars has 12 films and only 2 of them are good, 1 is mediocre and the rest are dogshit.
Trench Run > Luke vs. Vader (ESB) > Luke vs. Vader (RotJ) > everything else
This. ESB fight is perfect. RotJ is almost perfect, but you can see vader drop on cue to the railing when luke starts wailing instead of acting like he lost his footing.
I don’t know why the lightsabers look so scary in ESB and ROTJ
>hating on the Prequels being similar to abusing your kids
Well there you have it, folks. Disliking the Prequels is the same as raping children.
In some sense, yes.
You're insane. I'm not giving you any more (You)s.
No, but it's pretty crazy though how easy it was to break you. Hyperbolically as it may have been to say what I said, part of you knows there's truth to it.
Anon, if you think someone trashing a movie you like is an act of abuse to you then you need to kys immediately.
There's something really non-wholesome about you people. You're like children minus the innocence. Just utterly tasteless and vile.
Like I said, if you're hurt by movie discussions on the internet you need to kys. Don't even reply to me again, just do it.
>you need to kys
See, this is the difference between us. I wouldn't say that to anyone. You're an evil person.
>You're an evil person.
Thanks for the compliment. Now get off my board.
That wasn't a compliment, fatty. And it's my board.
>you need to kys immediately
Like your transgender "daughter"?
The ST trilogy is gonna be considered kino in the next decade
The prequels sucked dick. inb4 troon rage
>bugman says
Yeah, I'm certain you can identify with him just fine, cuck.
In after troon rage
>muh troon
Even after HRT (heart attack titty skittles), those still have higher Testosterone levels than you, b***h breasts boomer freak.
In after more troon rage. Now reply like my b***h or run away with your tail between your legs.
I've got your mom collared and on a leash. Your dad's watching from the corner and it looks like he has a stiffy.
This. Anyone who says they like the prequels are nostalgia blind.
holy frick genX tards are insufferable
>''old man Lucas ruined muh childhood''
Simon Pegged is a fricking cucked moron.
This. Only Gen X morons hate the Prequels. Prime example: RLM, Nostalgia Critic, Confused Matthew.
>Nostalgia Critic
Didn't he defend them?
At least even fricking James Rolfe said he loved Revenge of the Sith. I can’t see how you can be a Star Wars fan and hate that movie.
His perspective on Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was also more reasonable than most people. Yes it has some cheesy scenes, but it’s still better than Temple of Doom. Let’s face it, it was never going to be as good as Raiders or Last Crusade, but it’s way overhated.
Crystal Skull was a fricking godsend compared to the terrible slop that was Dial of Destiny. Seriously, Disney somehow make the mediocre flicks like Crystal Skull and the Old Republic MMO look like masterpieces compared to the garbage they've put out.
Dial of Destiny is much better than Skull.
I haven’t even watched Dial yet but if it’s true that it butchers poor old Indy then I think Crystal Skull was the better send off for the character.
PWB’s line insinuating stealing somehow = “capitalism” is also cringe.
The only reason rich Hollywood fricks don’t give a shit about money is because they’ve always had it.
>PWB’s line insinuating stealing somehow = “capitalism” is also cringe.
But its true. Not that I have a problem with it but thats just how capitalism.
>misunderstanding of the original 3 movies
Lol yeah I always crack when fanboys think they understand more about Star Wars than its own creator
>fanboys think they understand more about Star Wars than its own creator
Xers are fricked in the head they honestly think they could make something better then what George did but when one of them {JJ} tried we got the sequels
Hating the prequels is impossible once you understand what characterization is.
Anakin's path is incredibly well written. The movie around that, not so much.
frick off
>NOOOOO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE THE PREQUELS BECAUSE YOU JUST AREN'T OK
>AHHHHHH YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DISLIKE THE PREQUELS SAVE ME Black personMAN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Das rite. Besides, more space route taxation, fewer light saber nonsense.
I hate how Cinemaphile has become two morons basedjaking eachother off
The post that broke Cinemaphile. Lmao look at all the seethe
Shut up, bawd.
>lucas doesnt understand star wars
>me a fan, understands star wars
the gall
The prequels just aren't very good films. I don't understand the desire/need to fixate on them either way. I grew up with the prequels. They're bad. Next.
>Its another episode of OT homosexuals crying about the prequels
While they eat up disney slop, its ironic
See
Stunning and brave. Now go change your diapers, grandpa.
bs most of you were gitty like 12 years old girls at Justin biber concert when force awakens came out. you goofs even shilled TFA for a year or 2 till the last jedi came out.
Yea there was hype around it, sure. And I thought it was disappointing just like TPM was. I was never impressed with Force Awakens. And then Last Jedi really burned any chance of the rest of the trilogy being any good.
>TFA
big space weapon that blows up planets with laser beams gets destroyed by x wing and millennium falcon
>TLJ
big showdown on snow planet fighting walker robots
>ROS
big show down against bad guys with fleet of good guy ships where emperor is killed
the sequels were a lover letter from Disney to all the seething prequel haters. the fact is they got exactly what they had been begging for a rip off of the OT something George refused to do.
we will never forgive we will never forget what Xer gays like JJ and you did
Nice Reddit spacing. Are you gonna pretend that scenes like the Queen of Naboo personally thanking and cleaning R2 weren't there to pander to OT fans?
>having a consistent cast of characters vs. copying rough outline and filling it with zero soul
Seas of CGI robots are not le sovlful, zoomer.
>muh CGI
Plenty of them were physical + it's about the design, not the fact it's CGI. Cope and seethe, boomer zombie.
>it's about the design, not the fact it's CGI.
Oh okay. So I guess you're willing to give the Hobbit or Marvel movies a pass for their seas of CG slop, too,?
>crying about CGI in general
What a poor outlook on things. Totally stunted.
It was slop then and it's slop now. If I want to play vidya I'll go play vidya.
No, you're just stunted. Stupid stuff. Rejecting CG is pure mediocrity.
Enjoy your PS2 cutscenes then.
>muh PS2
Always this with the rabble. The limit of their culturedness.
The Prequels look like PS2 games, anon. You are old enough to know what a PS2 is, right?
You stink.
You're a flaming homo
Shut up, rabble. Wash up and slave on.
You talk like a gay and your shit's all moronic.
Your excessive "homophobia" resembles that of a closeted gay man. Sad.
The word "homophobic" is gay
Not exactly, it was coined by a israelite. And originally it was refering to heterosexual men's fear of being perceived as gay. You probably are a closeted homosexal though, really going into overdrive with the gay slurs. Sad. Like, why else would that even be so consistently on your mind?
>Nice Reddit spacing
never been on reddit
I can tell my comment struck deep if that's your only retort you fricking Xer goof
>the fact is they got exactly what they had been begging for a rip off of the OT
I never wanted that, though. The prequels and sequels are both just bad.
They're trash.
You may not like it, but this is what peak Star Wars looks like.
What star wars opinions got you like this?
Prequels better than Original Trilogy.
For me, Luke and Leia being related is the stupidest shit to happen.
liking the sequels.
Wow very daring no one has ever said that befpre
The Clone Wars was a mistake and needs to go in the trash along with all the Disney shit.
Star Wars is evil.
It makes sense in retrospect. What happened is that in Empire, Lucas recognized that you needed stakes because if the hero goes to confront the villain, you know he won't die. So he had Yoda say 'there is another.' In the commentary, he explains this, saying that 'if you say there's another, it tells the audience that the main character doesn't matter and can die.' But then in Return of the Jedi, he still had to address that. The plan was originally to just have some other rando guy Jedi. But in the writing phase, Lucas wanted Luke to go NOOOOOOO and couldn't think of anything that would make Luke snap. Then Lucas realized that he could reveal that Leia is Luke's sister and Vader wants to turn her.
And then Lucas incorporated the whole 'attachments makes you fall to the Dark Side' with Luke going NOOOO about losing his sister with Anakin, and also retconned aspects of Vader being a pathetic person, driven to evil because of love, the same love that almost doomed Luke, and tied to a prophecy about ending the Sith. The original plan was to have Luke 'get the girl.' Leia kisses Luke in the original movie, shows that she's totally not into him in ESB and goes with the bad boy Han but then eventually ends up with Luke. This is why you still see Leia kiss Luke at the end of ESB.
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It was meant to be an ongoing love triangle but it got retconned because Lucas wanted to add stakes in ESB.
So lemme get this straight; Lucas made shit up along the way either because
>A
He didn’t had a story to begin with
>B
Budget constraints
>C
Had an explosion of nice and honestly well crafted ideas, but didn’t know how to incorporate them in the story
>D
He lied and kept saying it was all planned out and that some things had to be changed and that Star Wars was always going to be 12 films, or 9, or just OT and PT but then the ST was added last second, what the frick is going on holy shit kek
Yes. Lucas never planned sequels/follow-up movies when he made the original Star Wars movie. He left the door open with Vader surviving the Death Star but it was never concrete. He clearly had ideas since he asked for merchandizing rights which is how he ended up financing the rest of the movies, but he had definite plan. This is why you get the inconsistencies of Obi-Wan telling Luke the truth 'from a certain point of view' about Vader in Return of the Jedi which is just another retcon. Vader was just some Empire enforcer, never Luke's father. Lucas is a notorious liar about having planned everything. What helped is that he took a 15 year break to raise his daughter and, during that time, read and thought about how to structure and plan the prequel movies, which is why the original trilogy is rather shallow in terms of ideas and philosophy compared to the prequel movies.
However, the only thing you can be sure Lucas planned out in the prequel movies was the relationship of Anakin and Padme (more specifically Anakin's fall). There's even evidence from the first booklet of TPM that the Republic and democracy were never meant to be 'good.' For example, the reason the Republic was crumbling was due to over-taxation. This is only hinted at with the Trade Federation, but it was literally insane taxes that was fricking everything. Padme in TPM literally goes 'I see now that democracy has failed' only to then become a supporter of democracy in Attack of the Clones. He changed his mind about going full democracy is good after the first movie.
What he spent a lot of time on was how to connect the main theme of letting go with the force mechanism that he introduced in Return of the Jedi of attachments making you go evil.
I spent too much time researching Lucas and Star Wars.
Wow, I respect your research and depth into the Lore of the Lucas mind set, anon. Hats off to you.
>Padme in TPM literally goes 'I see now that democracy has failed' only to then become a supporter of democracy in Attack of the Clones. He changed his mind about going full democracy is good after the first movie.
How does that make sense
In Attack of the Clones, Padme is literally the representative of democracy and fights to have uphold it. In Revenge of the Sith, she is lamenting on the failure of democracy which makes no sense if she was already lamenting in Phantom Menace that democracy was shit. This is why it's important that she is the character that goes 'this is how democracy dies.' It's also why she is the one who schools Anakin in Attack of the Clones on how democracy works during their picnic.
The point is that Lucas had a more nuanced view where democracy in TPM wasn't good and lead to the decay and collapse of the Republic due to over-taxation, but then changed his mind on the degree of the decay by the next movie.
>You may not like it, but this is what peak Star Wars looks like
Movie wasn't great but honestly the trailer still holds up and makes it look like pure kino
Episode 1 was made for 90s kids not for decrepit old boomer and gen x geeks.
when millennial kids saw this they developed a mommy Portman fetish when Xtards and boomers saw this they saw 2 kids smiling at each other. the fact is they will never and can never understand or like the prequels cause the films were not made for them.
>mommy Portman fetish
I wanted Obi-Wan to frick me though. I wanted to suck his dick.
Keep your filth out of my thread.
Nothing wrong with lusting after young Ewan McGregor.
Everything wrong with that.
Give me 1 (one) thing that's wrong.
Protip: You can't.
>lust
You can't achieve your full potential without drive.
Why are you not only slothing around in a heretical Star Wars thread that presents a galaxy without God, but also expressing wrath and pride?
The average prequelgay.
>mommy
She was 16 and Anakin was 9 or 10. Hardly a world shattering age difference.
How old are you? You clearly don't remember being 9
30. I remember being 9 pretty clearly.
Clearly not. If I had a 16 year old interested in me when I was 9, that'd be some confusing emotion
Any girl finding interest in you at 9 is a confusing emotion. Padme got wet for lil annie when he became a brooding teenager anyway.
When I was 9 my mom's party girl friend was flirting with me and I thought it was awesome, she was 27 I think
I don't believe you. Tell me more.
>Not exactly, it was coined by a israelite. And originally it was refering to heterosexual men's fear of being perceived as gay. You probably are a closeted homosexal though, really going into overdrive with the gay slurs. Sad. Like, why else would that even be so consistently on your mind?
Of course he's a wojak poster. Not even a good looking rare wojak, just pure aesthetic vomit. I accept your concession, rabble boy.
>Of course he's a wojak poster. Not even a good looking rare wojak, just pure aesthetic vomit. I accept your concession, rabble boy.
I'll give you another chance here, rabbly boy. Explain why every other word of yours is somewhat gay related? Why do you have that shit on your mind all the time? Dare you answer or will you just dodge with garbage tier meme posting?
you do NOT have 9698 jaks
>I'll give you another chance here, rabbly boy. Explain why every other word of yours is somewhat gay related? Why do you have that shit on your mind all the time? Dare you answer or will you just dodge with garbage tier meme posting?
Called it. Every single time with you closet cases.
>Called it. Every single time with you closet cases.
>Called it. Every single time with you closet cases.
it. Every single time with you closet cases.
>Called it. Every single time with you closet cases.
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it. Every single time with you closet cases.
You’re not wrong.
Close, but no
>prequelgays unironically think RLM is big and powerful enough to turn the entire world against Lucas
what did RLM have to say about TLJ and TFA I can only guess these Xer clowns loved them
Reminder that incels crying about TLJ is why we got "somehow, Palpatine returned"
/tv/'s unironic defense of the prequels, more than anything else, has made me realize that many people on this board are genuine plebs with no taste in film at all. You don't see this kind of shit on the other boards. Imagine if there was a 200+ reply thread on Cinemaphile where people where vehemently defending something like the new Drake album, insisting that it was actually some grand artistic statement. Why is Cinemaphile so uniquely moronic? At least the other boards have some level of gatekeeping.
>200+ reply thread on Cinemaphile where people where vehemently defending something like the new Drake album
the prequels are 2 decades old unlike some shit nu-rapper album you homosexuals used to think was based but in reality was always a fricking poser.
Okay, midwit.
Cinemaphile does the same thing with Infinite Jest
Also, in some ways the prequels are good. It's not that simple. And they underpinned what is arguably the golden age of video games and formative years of many posters here
>in some ways the prequels are good
Many bad things have positive qualities. They're still bad.
You wouldn't be able to tell, philistine.
Zzzzzzzz
Exactly.
There's no accounting for taste
Jar Jar did nothing wrong
How did George get away with literally calling this race Ching-Chongians?
It was a different time
>Watto the space israelite
How? And in Hollywood!
>banking clan
>alien does not have a nose for some reason
really subtle George
hes our guy after all
phantom menence had so much potential to be something different and even better than original star wars
I've honestly scene this specific screenshot of the movie because it's been on every possible source of news and marketing for months so many times that I'd go as far as to say it's the first recorded example of Whale.png phenomenon.
I know I'm biased because I saw Ep 1 when I was a kid, but I don't know, I really love the master/padawan dynamic between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Maul was and is still cool as frick, lightsaber with two blades for the first time. The podracer race was fricking great, that final fight with that god tier soundtrack. I know people hate Jar Jar, but the only moment they are going too far with him is during the final battle for like 1 or 2 minutes, otherwise he is just a classic comic relief.
>Ctrl+F music, soundtrack 0 results
Immense respect to John Williams. God bless.
Everyone agrees he's the best thing in the prequels.
His music has to basically singlehandedly carry the awful anakin/padme romance
Star Wars isn't anything without Stormtroopers, they're too iconic. Battle droids are cringe and for kids.
Alien chinks building an army of cheap droids is a lot more interesting than generic goons who can't aim.
>Alien chinks building an army of cheap droids is a lot more interesting than generic goons who can't aim.
Let's see... Stormtroopers hitting main characters score: 1 (Leia); Battle Droids hitting main characters score: 0
it makes sense within the story why the fodder enemies are useless to the protagonists (jedis can cut them down like butter and use the force). they were designed to be deterrents and to take over cities, which is what they are actually good at (and killing clones). stormtroopers are just incompetent for plot armors sake.
>You don't understand the subtle genius of the Neimoidians... you see... they wanted their battle droids to be useless against the Jedi and only 1% useful against the clones
>Neimoidians
Jesus christ, dude, no one cares about your weebiness. kys. I guarantee you're the only homosexual in this board who knows what the frick a neimoidian is.
i guess you can't read correctly. the battle droids aren't designed to be jedi killers, they are cheap mass produced infantry built to take over cities and scare politicians. it makes sense why the jedi are able to tear them down like nothing. droidekas were built in response to jedis
Wait... but didn't Battle Droids kill like two dozen Jedi during the Battle of Geonosis. How does that fit into your theory, Professor?
i was referring to the typical scene where the characters are in corridors/rooms. geonosis is the exception in that its a full scare war with thousands of droids in the open. geonosis itself is more than stormshitters ever did which is which was your original point about which had a bigger impact
Geonosis Battle Droids killed a few dozen Jedi.
Stormtroopers blew up a planet.
I'd say Stormtroopers take this round.
What? All the Storm Troopers did was defend the base, it was Imperial officers who fired the weapon and engineers who built it.
Those were the lame Jedi who only dealt with the occasional thug, not an army of robot gunmen. Jedi like Qui Gon Jin and Kenobi were anomalies, most Jedi during the decadent late Republic era were not nearly as skilled in combat. Maul would have bulldozed like nine of those guys
It wasnt until post-Geonosis that they redoubled their training exercises.
And since all the wimpy Jedi were killed off anyway, the remaining Jedi Generals were the superhuman space samurai you see in the shitty Clone Wars TV show + other non-movie content
good morning i hate women
I hate the nu-trooper helmets so fricking much. And now every new trooper that disney adds to the old lore has these homosexualty fricking helmets too
Also, clone troopers evolved into storm troopers so they're still in the movie moron
It's never been confirmed, but I'm 100 percent sure Lucas intended to retcon the stormtroopers as clones at one point
What, you mean their origin or the fact that they kept using clones but of many different templates?
Pretty much.
Lucas came up with a good design and space fantasy idea. He was never capable of more. Prequels sucks, even OT was just ok because of Empire strikes back, but ROTJ ruined it. Only Bioware could implement all his ideas in the right way and made a real KINO rpg of all time.
Still upset that 3 never happened.
We got a crappy MMO instead
It's been 20 years and digital still looks like shit. Go back.
Clone Wars Multimedia Project and Old Republic are Peak Star Wars
>You may not like it, but this is what peak Star Wars looks like
>No Prequelkin
Fair enough