He is not beholden to Melissandre like in the show. In the show, he wants to kill Davos and is only convinced to listen to him and go North because Mel tells him to. In the books, Stannis listens to Davos of his on volition. There are several other instances of small changes or omissions like this that add up to character assassination.
He is righteous, smart and strong-willed.
But at the same time too noble and uptight lake Edward Stark and this drags him down.
Also his is like Daenerys his power comes from magik device. Without magik he is nothing in the Game of Thrones, minor lord of the bare rock.
>Without magik he is nothing in the Game of Thrones, minor lord of the bare rock.
You think this is some gotcha? He explains that himself. Aegon the Conqueror had dragons. He has R'hllor.
Yeah that's gotcha for entire ASoIaF series. That quality I don't like most.
In the beginning there was scene of Tyrion giving lesson to John Snow, how them both been cripples (John in the metaphoric way) must been smart, study books, do everything and double on top to be successful. Like "don't be moronic pumpered Joffrey"
But then "ACK!" it's about magik kids, and normal people are just powerless splinters thrown around by waves of magik.
no
https://warsandpoliticsoficeandfire.wordpress.com/2017/05/31/iron-bends-the-surprising-flexibility-of-stannis-baratheon/
also
dumb & dumber literally admitted to not understanding and not liking Stannis
It may be that we shall lose this battle," the king said grimly. "In Braavos you may hear that I am dead. It may even be true. You shall find my sellswords nonetheless." The knight hesitated. "Your Grace, if you are dead - " " - you will avenge my death,and seat my daughter on the Iron Throne. Or die in the attempt
Nah Stannis was the last time the show actually had a compelling character. They butchered Jaime and I do not give an iota of a frick about the gormless reluctant hero stereotype that is Jon Snow.
I liked Roose, he was the last good villain on the show. His death was moronic.
Varys and Baelish were neutralized by plot soon after.
They wasted all the good characters with good actors, too: Davos, Barristan, Beric, Thoros, etc.
Davos, Beric, Thoros, Thormund, all of them just became sidekicks to Jon and for no reason at all. Why does Davos give a shit about Jon at all? He barely saw the guy, and he's suddenly pining for his resurrection.
If Jon was this badass Commander Shepard fighting the ice Reapers and fricking all the women, that would've been at least interesting to see. But he's just a cuck. In Mass Effect 2, flawed as it is, they bring back Shepard because he's humanity's last hope. No one has any reason to care about this traitor's bastard who was betrayed by his own men literally days after getting elected. Melisandre and Davos go out of character literally because the writers tell them to. >I dun wan eet
Gee I wonder why I should give a shit.
>Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean, as Robert should have done after the Trident.
I
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it's so fricking moronic how Robb Stark didn't work to make Stannis king. Robb tried to honor his father's legacy by completely ignoring the fact that his father died to try and put Stannis on the throne, recognizing him as the rightful king.
The show took out all his best moments and cool lines and made him a simp b***h to the witch whereas in the book he kept threatening to cut her head off all the time
Stannis has never won a fight against a "real" foe. He's won no pitched battles against a technologically equivalent enemy. He's taken no defended castles. His greatest accomplishments are: not dying during a siege, defeating a few ironBlack folk (on boats like some kind of slave lol), and surprise attacking some defenseless savages. All hail the greatest military commander in Westeros.
>He had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.
Yeah. I don't know why people cheer for him. It's his hard man stance appearance?
His greatest achievement is assassination of 3 key people with blood magic. Without such act Renly would won plane and simple. War ends. King in the North, peace, happy end.
Stannis extended war and he didn't even won himself. He should've name Tywin not joefry, joefry he can hung latter with his own hand. But "noooo! I must be righteous moron!" And plunges country into more turnmoil. Good job, moron.
>the one following the law is not turning anything into turmoil. >something something Edward Stark
Absolutely same for Stannis. If he assassinated Tywin, Lannisters would fall apart. War ends. Instead Stannis does "right thing" and then fricking rushes head first his ships right into trap. (While he had see trump card in his sleeve, onion knight, he could've send him scout forward, but why bother right?).
Because he is acting king of Lannisters and Joefry is just sock puppet. Remove Tywin and Lannisters turn into downward spiral of self destruction. But "nooo! I must do things by the book!".
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>"nooo! I must do things by the book!"
that autism is literally the entire character of stannis. >I know the cost! Last night, gazing into that hearth, I saw things in the flames as well. I saw a king, a crown of fire on his brows, burning… burning, Davos. His own crown consumed his flesh & turned him into ash. Do you think I need Melisandre to tell me what that means? Or you?
It's explained quite a bit. Stannis is always doing a balancing act with his coalition of loyalist forces. Even though he is highly radical with regard to Westerosi society, e still has to appease certain tendencies with his nobles, knights and men.
In this case Davos is an up-jumped criminal from Flea Bottom who is now a knight, lord, admiral and Hand of the King. The other nobles would consider it an insult to have Davos in command of the attack fleet.
I think I even remember Davos thinking on the approach about they should have scouted forward before rushing headlong into the bay. I forget who the commander was but he was overconfident of his victory over the small fleet KL could deploy.
>His greatest achievement is assassination of 3 key people with blood magic.
No; his greatest achievements are holding Storm's End, crushing the Iron Fleet off Fair Isle and routing the wildlings at the wall.
>B-but he didn't actually do anything at Storm's End
He held the castle for a year, and in so doing kept the Tyrell forces occupied. If they had been free to join with Rhaegar at the Trident and the massive numerical advantage this would have given him could easily have made all the difference. Through this siege he showed courage and commitment in the face of terrible odds - he was willing to suffer, even die for the sake of Robert's cause. Beyond that he was suffering and starving alongside his men, enduring the same hardships they did, and earning their loyalty in the process (hence why there was only one attempt at defection during the entire siege).
>Hurrdurr Iron Black folk
Defeating a naval power at sea is a great achievement. There's not much more to stay about that.
Except there is, not only did he defeat the Iron Fleet but he lured it into a trap and pinned it in place between Fair Isle and the mainland before launching his attack. This allowed him to destroy the fleet in a single stroke, ending the naval conflict right there rather than over the course of a long and grueling campaign.
He also lead the assault on Great Wyk, the largest of Iron Islands.
this. the show doesnt consider this but in the books hes loved by everyone under him because hes truly just and fair and in the shit with his subordinates
Yeah. I don't know why people cheer for him. It's his hard man stance appearance?
His greatest achievement is assassination of 3 key people with blood magic. Without such act Renly would won plane and simple. War ends. King in the North, peace, happy end.
Stannis extended war and he didn't even won himself. He should've name Tywin not joefry, joefry he can hung latter with his own hand. But "noooo! I must be righteous moron!" And plunges country into more turnmoil. Good job, moron.
>Wildlings? Who cares about wildlings?
Stannis cares. The simple fact that he took his forces north to defend the realm against an external threat rather than continue in the immediate battle for the Iron Throne distinguishes him from the other claimaints. Of course he needed Davos to remind him off his duty but so be it, the fact that he even listened to Davos demonstrates both his good judgement and recognition of the importance of merit over birth.
As far as actual skill; the wildling forces outnumbered him 20 to 1, where back up by mammoths and giants, were infinitely more used to the conditions and had fricking aerial ISR in the form of warged eagles. He overcame these advantages not just with surprise and superior technology but with tactics. He began by having Meli immolate Varmyr's eagle before having Cotter Pyke launch his attack. Only once Mance had rallied his forces to respond to this initial assault did Stannis strike with his main force from the rear.
Stannis has never won a fight against a "real" foe. He's won no pitched battles against a technologically equivalent enemy. He's taken no defended castles. His greatest accomplishments are: not dying during a siege, defeating a few ironBlack folk (on boats like some kind of slave lol), and surprise attacking some defenseless savages. All hail the greatest military commander in Westeros.
>Stannis has never won a fight against a "real" foe. He's won no pitched battles against a technologically equivalent enemy. He's taken no defended castles.
What is Dragonstone?
Also Deepwood Motte, but I'll acknowledge that Asha fled rather than give battle.
Who?
is he a cuck in the books too?
hes based in the books. kind of a gay in the show
they were afraid of people liking him so they wrote his character like shit in the show.
many such cases
Jews did this to Homerlander in The Boys too. I still like him, but they worked really hard to drag him through the mud after season 1
>blond ubermensch vaporizes diverse crowd with his eye-lasers
>WTF WHY DO THEY LIKE THIS
how is he more based in the books?
He is less likeable in the books, he is bland and butthurt.
Stannis in the show is actually more rugged, basically budget Jason Statham.
hes way smarter in the books. in the show hes basically a dumbass that has to be convinced not to do moronic shit
also hes funny as hell by modern standards, none of the other characters get it though
He doesnt ritualistically sacrifice his daughter in the books for one.
He is not beholden to Melissandre like in the show. In the show, he wants to kill Davos and is only convinced to listen to him and go North because Mel tells him to. In the books, Stannis listens to Davos of his on volition. There are several other instances of small changes or omissions like this that add up to character assassination.
He doesn't sacrifice his beloved daughter. Instead he plows through that fricking blizzard and takes Winterfell from Ramsay like a boss.
He's not burning his daughter to start with - or not anyone for that matter - and he's pretty focused on leaving her a kingdom to inherit iirc
He is righteous, smart and strong-willed.
But at the same time too noble and uptight lake Edward Stark and this drags him down.
Also his is like Daenerys his power comes from magik device. Without magik he is nothing in the Game of Thrones, minor lord of the bare rock.
>Without magik he is nothing in the Game of Thrones, minor lord of the bare rock.
You think this is some gotcha? He explains that himself. Aegon the Conqueror had dragons. He has R'hllor.
Yeah that's gotcha for entire ASoIaF series. That quality I don't like most.
In the beginning there was scene of Tyrion giving lesson to John Snow, how them both been cripples (John in the metaphoric way) must been smart, study books, do everything and double on top to be successful. Like "don't be moronic pumpered Joffrey"
But then "ACK!" it's about magik kids, and normal people are just powerless splinters thrown around by waves of magik.
no
https://warsandpoliticsoficeandfire.wordpress.com/2017/05/31/iron-bends-the-surprising-flexibility-of-stannis-baratheon/
also
dumb & dumber literally admitted to not understanding and not liking Stannis
No, I remember them butchering his character out of spite
im going to laugh so fricking hard at you guys when he burns Shireen in Winds.
>in Winds
They’re not even in the same location right now in books idiot
>when he burns Shireen in Winds
He's more likely to burn the red b***h.
I don't think you've even read the books. Enjoy your AIDS.
i own and have read every book but world of ice and fire
>in Winds
It may be that we shall lose this battle," the king said grimly. "In Braavos you may hear that I am dead. It may even be true. You shall find my sellswords nonetheless." The knight hesitated. "Your Grace, if you are dead - " " - you will avenge my death,and seat my daughter on the Iron Throne. Or die in the attempt
love how in the show the iron bank just shrugged their shoulders when their biggest investment ever just died because of "20 good men"
Once they stopped using book material in the show every character became a fricking idiot
Nah Stannis was the last time the show actually had a compelling character. They butchered Jaime and I do not give an iota of a frick about the gormless reluctant hero stereotype that is Jon Snow.
>he thinks Winds is ever coming out
I liked Roose, he was the last good villain on the show. His death was moronic.
Varys and Baelish were neutralized by plot soon after.
They wasted all the good characters with good actors, too: Davos, Barristan, Beric, Thoros, etc.
Davos, Beric, Thoros, Thormund, all of them just became sidekicks to Jon and for no reason at all. Why does Davos give a shit about Jon at all? He barely saw the guy, and he's suddenly pining for his resurrection.
If Jon was this badass Commander Shepard fighting the ice Reapers and fricking all the women, that would've been at least interesting to see. But he's just a cuck. In Mass Effect 2, flawed as it is, they bring back Shepard because he's humanity's last hope. No one has any reason to care about this traitor's bastard who was betrayed by his own men literally days after getting elected. Melisandre and Davos go out of character literally because the writers tell them to.
>I dun wan eet
Gee I wonder why I should give a shit.
I felt bad for his daughter who had the sickness.
Wrong. I was a Tyrellchad
Only three tyrells on camera: a manipulative old crone, a meek manchild puppet, and a gay twink. No chad in sight.
Margaery is one of the best characters in the story. But yes, the show also ruined Mace and Loras
They needed literally make him watch burning his daughter alive to get me hating him
>Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean, as Robert should have done after the Trident.
I
bend
the
knee
Canadian women have a disorder where they all want to be trangendered.They want to take Hormone Replacement Therapy. Just allerting people.
BARRIE DUNN MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR WHAT HE DID TO ELLEN PAGE
it's so fricking moronic how Robb Stark didn't work to make Stannis king. Robb tried to honor his father's legacy by completely ignoring the fact that his father died to try and put Stannis on the throne, recognizing him as the rightful king.
>it's so fricking moronic how Robb Stark didn't work to make Stannis king.
You misspelled moron's name
The show took out all his best moments and cool lines and made him a simp b***h to the witch whereas in the book he kept threatening to cut her head off all the time
AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN
the only gigachad in this shit show. he would held Winterfell even if he was alone and had to kill 15000 skelly-zombies
Fellas, why is it that we never saw such gratuitous, vitriolic Stannis-hate during actual /got/?
Feels very contrived.
STFU! We will be redeemed!
Stannis has never won a fight against a "real" foe. He's won no pitched battles against a technologically equivalent enemy. He's taken no defended castles. His greatest accomplishments are: not dying during a siege, defeating a few ironBlack folk (on boats like some kind of slave lol), and surprise attacking some defenseless savages. All hail the greatest military commander in Westeros.
>He had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.
>Defeating at sea the nation with naval superiority and decades of experience isn't a feat
Yeah. I don't know why people cheer for him. It's his hard man stance appearance?
His greatest achievement is assassination of 3 key people with blood magic. Without such act Renly would won plane and simple. War ends. King in the North, peace, happy end.
Stannis extended war and he didn't even won himself. He should've name Tywin not joefry, joefry he can hung latter with his own hand. But "noooo! I must be righteous moron!" And plunges country into more turnmoil. Good job, moron.
>plane
Banefort?
the one following the law is not turning anything into turmoil.
he was the rightful king, he had the grace of the Stark family, he was the only one helping at the wall.
If Renly survived the night king would surprise everyone when they have a gay orgy
>the one following the law is not turning anything into turmoil.
>something something Edward Stark
Absolutely same for Stannis. If he assassinated Tywin, Lannisters would fall apart. War ends. Instead Stannis does "right thing" and then fricking rushes head first his ships right into trap. (While he had see trump card in his sleeve, onion knight, he could've send him scout forward, but why bother right?).
>assassinate tywin
why would he do that? at that point tywin did not usurp the throne and both are known to respect each other.
Stannis doesn't assassinate random people
Because he is acting king of Lannisters and Joefry is just sock puppet. Remove Tywin and Lannisters turn into downward spiral of self destruction. But "nooo! I must do things by the book!".
>"nooo! I must do things by the book!"
that autism is literally the entire character of stannis.
>I know the cost! Last night, gazing into that hearth, I saw things in the flames as well. I saw a king, a crown of fire on his brows, burning… burning, Davos. His own crown consumed his flesh & turned him into ash. Do you think I need Melisandre to tell me what that means? Or you?
It's explained quite a bit. Stannis is always doing a balancing act with his coalition of loyalist forces. Even though he is highly radical with regard to Westerosi society, e still has to appease certain tendencies with his nobles, knights and men.
In this case Davos is an up-jumped criminal from Flea Bottom who is now a knight, lord, admiral and Hand of the King. The other nobles would consider it an insult to have Davos in command of the attack fleet.
I think I even remember Davos thinking on the approach about they should have scouted forward before rushing headlong into the bay. I forget who the commander was but he was overconfident of his victory over the small fleet KL could deploy.
>His greatest achievement is assassination of 3 key people with blood magic.
No; his greatest achievements are holding Storm's End, crushing the Iron Fleet off Fair Isle and routing the wildlings at the wall.
>B-but he didn't actually do anything at Storm's End
He held the castle for a year, and in so doing kept the Tyrell forces occupied. If they had been free to join with Rhaegar at the Trident and the massive numerical advantage this would have given him could easily have made all the difference. Through this siege he showed courage and commitment in the face of terrible odds - he was willing to suffer, even die for the sake of Robert's cause. Beyond that he was suffering and starving alongside his men, enduring the same hardships they did, and earning their loyalty in the process (hence why there was only one attempt at defection during the entire siege).
>Hurrdurr Iron Black folk
Defeating a naval power at sea is a great achievement. There's not much more to stay about that.
Except there is, not only did he defeat the Iron Fleet but he lured it into a trap and pinned it in place between Fair Isle and the mainland before launching his attack. This allowed him to destroy the fleet in a single stroke, ending the naval conflict right there rather than over the course of a long and grueling campaign.
He also lead the assault on Great Wyk, the largest of Iron Islands.
this. the show doesnt consider this but in the books hes loved by everyone under him because hes truly just and fair and in the shit with his subordinates
>Wildlings? Who cares about wildlings?
Stannis cares. The simple fact that he took his forces north to defend the realm against an external threat rather than continue in the immediate battle for the Iron Throne distinguishes him from the other claimaints. Of course he needed Davos to remind him off his duty but so be it, the fact that he even listened to Davos demonstrates both his good judgement and recognition of the importance of merit over birth.
As far as actual skill; the wildling forces outnumbered him 20 to 1, where back up by mammoths and giants, were infinitely more used to the conditions and had fricking aerial ISR in the form of warged eagles. He overcame these advantages not just with surprise and superior technology but with tactics. He began by having Meli immolate Varmyr's eagle before having Cotter Pyke launch his attack. Only once Mance had rallied his forces to respond to this initial assault did Stannis strike with his main force from the rear.
>Stannis has never won a fight against a "real" foe. He's won no pitched battles against a technologically equivalent enemy. He's taken no defended castles.
What is Dragonstone?
Also Deepwood Motte, but I'll acknowledge that Asha fled rather than give battle.
>What is Dragonstone?
The last remnants of a fleeingTargaryen household. Hardly an army.
Literally the only commander to win a straight-up, no sneak attack or tech advantage battle in the series is Tywin at the Green Fork
G'on,do your duty.
STANNIS THE MANNIS
I did and I don't feel ashamed for it
Trust the plan stannisbros. Its all coming together