>You tell the Helluva Boss creator her constant sex jokes aren't funny.
> She spergs out.
Kek.
>You tell the Helluva Boss creator her constant sex jokes aren't funny. > She spergs out.
>You tell the Helluva Boss creator her constant sex jokes aren't funny.
> She spergs out.
Kek.
Nobody speaks like that, nobody swears every sentence and puts a sexual innuendo in every other sentence. You're not funny Vivienne, and it is your problem.
Tell that to her.
He did, she's here
The George Lucas of indie animation.
Got too big and is huffing on fan fumes thinking she’s immune to criticism.
George Lucas is actually really talented.
Wrong. It wasn’t just him that made it good or else the prequels or recent SW movies would be kino.
Someone can be very talented and still only be a part of why something is successful. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
Search online for the impact that Lucas on film and especially on digital editing.
For example Pixar wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Lucas.
Dude, the entire concept of digital video wouldn't exist without lucas. Same with photoshop.
>blaming george lucas for recent trilogy failure
THE COPIUM BLASTING OFF OUT OF ORBIT
The prequels ARE kino though?
Star Wars was never good, this shit is just a bunch of stolen ideas from 3 franchises.
Redditor
>Star Wars was never good.
So talented he never made a movie worth a shit after the OT and even those had him being tard-wrangled at every turn
he's talented in specific areas but very much not in others, and he's generally pretty aware of his limitations, but for some reason everyone fooled themselves into thinking he was an auteur and refused to treat him as anything but.
The only good Star Wars movies ever were directed by George. 5, 6, and the Disney fanfics are varying levels of bad.
Okay George
Everyone needs to apologize to George after seeing what happened to Star Wars without him.
Apologize to the man that "solved" a love triangle by making two of them siblings?
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
Yes.
Just because the sequels were bad doesn't make the prequels good.
Don't blame George for that shit. He asked for other's opinions and they all told him everything was fine. He even wanted other people to direct the prequels but they all said no.
Maybe that's true but I'm sure Lucas had more tons of skills.
Not really
Go to bed George
listen, even the george lucas really did rip off a bunch of shit from the french comic book, you need to suck a tailpipe if you're trying to blame george lucas for the failure of the new trilogy. for real, have a nice day.
You have a nice day, I will not stand for regards like you defending the hack who gave us israelite Wars
Theatre Kids are eternally 20 years old. Theyreally do think people talk like that.
>20
Bro I talked like that from like from like 13 to maybe 13.5 - 14 at the latest.
eternally 15 more like
Sure but my point is that 20yo's aren't old, which they get furious when told.
Incredibly boring morons talk like that, it's in place of being a person
This is what neopuritans on the internet say because they're terrified of being authentic or honest about themselves in any way, because that might come across as cringe. Zach Hadel is the biggest example of this kind of cowardice (and in his case utter hypocrisy).
Okay so has the Zach Hadel "neopuritan" thing become a meme or is it such an autistic hyperfixation for the scat porn anon that this is also him.
Come on kid, you could be the next Barneygay
>Okay so has the Zach Hadel "neopuritan" thing become a meme
It's a meme but he feeds into it quite a bit with the holier-than-thou way he talks about vices / addictions other people have, that he admits he had in the past himself. He always comes across like an alcoholic that found Jesus and now judges people that are able to drink beer socially without having a problem with it, just because he can't. I've never heard about the scat porn anon thing, qrd? Or is that the guy that's been cataloging all the times they've brought up weird porn?
I'm still convinced the "neopuritan" forced meme is literally just one buttblasted Anon. The scat porn thing is from an old bit where Zach said
>If you're getting off to literal shit, you should probably just stop watching porn for like a month man.
>If you're getting off to literal shit, you should probably just stop watching porn for like a month man.
I remember that and I do agree with him on that lmao, that's not neopuritan at all. It's the way he talks about other stuff that goes in that direction.
>I'm still convinced the "neopuritan" forced meme is literally just one buttblasted Anon.
It is.
Not to mention Zach and the Oney guys are now big on the "saying swears too much isn't funny" train when their entire humor begins and ends with calling things autistic. The lack of self-awareness with those guys is really annoying, but I guess that what happens to anybody with a following of millions of children on the internet that just lap up everything you say.
They fixate on the autism shit because it hits close to home
A good chunk of their autism jokes stem from "that could've been me"
>calling something "autistic" is swearing
Every time one of you morons starts to make a good point against Oney and his friends you have a nice day in the foot so dramatically your points immediately lose any water.
>calling something "autistic" is swearing
Nobody said that you fricking moron.
>calling something "autistic" is swearing
The point is that going "swearing isn't funny it's a crutch for bad writing" when your entire brand of comedy is autism jokes is throwing stones in a glass house, not that calling things autistic is swearing. I stg this board gets stupider by the minute.
I wish people would stop using this board before deciding to skip their therapy.
>authentic
Not real. What leftists mean by being authentic if flagellating oneself and not holding yourself to any standard so as to not stoke the envy of others.
Cinemaphile talks like that.
Nuh uh, we don't.
Yuh huh, we do.
Vivzie and Sarcastic Chorus claim that is "how they talk in California." Apparently that's a place, according to Viv, where people curse casually and constantly and are "openly sexual" everywhere
But God forbid you vote Republican or say the N word. Fake edge.
Yes, California is a hellish place.
Voting republican is cringe but yes, people like this live their lives imagining they're still fighting against the boomers in the 90s who told them they couldn't swear, get tattoos or piercings, smoke weed, etc.
It's irrelevant whether those things are actually bad or not - these people rebel against an authority figure that straight up just does not exist anymore.
To be fair, this is a legit defence. I'm not saying you have to make your own pile of poop to be able to call out the guy shitting on your plate, but in the gamedev community I would NEVER take shit from some nodev who doesn't even have a game, and the first thing some shittalker on /ic/ hears is "PYW" (post your work) because frick taking criticism from people who could literally never create what you're trying to do.
>these people rebel against an authority figure that straight up just does not exist anymore.
They themselves have become the boomers
>To be fair, this is a legit defence
The guy wasn't making a criticism of the cartoon, he was pointing out the bald-faced hypocrisy of Alex's statement. Using "show me your cartoon" as a retort was 100% a b***h move in this context.
Isn't she from Maryland though?
don't expect anons to espouse logic and facts when they're riding the hate train.
I penis, vegana, inuendo.
chronically online lesbians do
>nobody swears every sentence
I fricking do.
>Nobody puts a sexual innuendo in every other sentence
And neither do the characters in the fricking show. You don't know what an innuendo is, wienersucker. Explicitly discussing a subject is, by motherfricking definition, not an innuendo.
You have to be 18 years old to post here.
not only have you ladies missed the fricking joke, but you didn't even refute the base point made and instead attacked the voice used. that's some female-ass behaviour
congrats on your coming out, transhomosexuals; when are you getting your bottom surgeries?
You are trying wait too hard, troll/shill
>posting a shitter tweet
>not even sperging out, just a regular comment
>about a ridiculous cartoon that's free on youtube that you will never pay for
this should be bannable
and if you do you probably really feel bad and try to be more self conscious.
>Be at pharmacy
>Sick feeling but not an excuse
>Dad behind me with his kid makes a playful comment
>I agree and have a conversation with him
>Realize I spoke so openly and said frick and shit every 3 or 4 words.
>Leave store. Realize I must have made this guys day worse because of how sailor mouthed I was in front of his kid.
Not everyone has an autistic meltdown if their child hears the word frick, but if it's every other word they might ask you to knock it off
mirin the ability to start conversations
>Nobody speaks like that, nobody swears every sentence
Come to the midwest where "frickin'" is a filler word on par with "uh" and "um"
I've been to the midwest. There's a difference between "Yeah just take the frickin' road a mile or so 'n' frickin' turn right at the frickin' stop sign" and "FRICK I hate this FRICKing butthole get off my FRICKING back already SHIT"
This is hilarious because I tried to watch the harley quinn show a few months ago and the entire time I was like "The frick is with all the edgy cursing? Was this written by vivzie?"
Nah just someone on that kinda circle
>have a completely insular circle
>only follow cringe weirdos like yourself
>think everyone behaves that way
Did she ever specify exactly which things she grew up with that were like that?
She cites South Park and Seth Rogan as big influences. Many such cases.
She was replying to this video:
truth hurts huh
Yup
Amazing Digital Circus has more views than anything in Shitziepop's career, and it did it in far less time.
>t. Goosetroony
>that 'frick-frick-frick-frick-frick' at 18sec
Holy shit I can’t believe how BTFO viv is getting I didn’t expect it to happen before Hazbin finally airs
Shit really? Got a link? I could use a good laugh.
Bubble’s part kills me
Not gonna read this whole thread but I know it's some feud with Digital Circus based on and I just wanna say that both Hazbin Hotel and Digital Circus are one in the same lowest-common-denominator shows that are manufactured to have the most ravenous and autistic fandoms ever. Just a group of shitty tumblr OCs with no rhyme or reason other than to be "the one you identify with and make fan art of". Both are just shows manufactured for mindless plot speculation and fan content and nothing else. Both are just made for autistic 15-23 year olds who have never spent as much as a minute away from the internet, and have unhealthy attachments to cartoon characters due to a lack of real-world interaction.
The one sane voice in the thread
It's slightly less worse with Digital Circus because Gooseworx was just simply presented with an opportunity to pitch a show to a studio and she threw out a bunch of ideas with TADC being the one that stuck.
With Vivzie you can tell these shows are her autistic universes she had been thinking up since she was a teen. Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are basically an extension of what she is, which is pretty sad because it just shows how vain and narcassistic of a person Vivziepop is down at her core while being shallow and full of nothing but terrible fricking ideas.
Digital Circus is derivative tumblr trite but Gooseworx whipped up that idea very quickly under the pressure of needing to come up with something to present. They've already proven that they can make good stuff under their own ideal circumstances where they're working alone.
What kind of metal illness do you have again?
being right
Delusions of being right fall under narcissism and splitting from black and white mentality.
Why would a professional producer reply to something like this????
She also blocked them off on Twitter from what I've heard
yeah, they deleted it off their twitter too but due to public demand, they brought it back
>professional
Quality != Professional qualifications.
>this makes viv seethe like no tomorrow
damn, we found the one thing viv can't consume
an actually funny joke
Except for the breasts part it's spot on.
>seething over a low effort shitpost with literally less than 1000 views
How embarrassing
The original was on Twitter and was deleted.
>The original was on Twitter and was deleted.
why was it deleted? it was pretty funny.
read here, anon
But he was encouraged to repost it but it still blocked by Viv because he was actually funnier. It's not THE funniest, he's just Funnier than Viv's humor.
That's so insane that's she's actually that sensitive. If she didn't think that the entire value of her humor boiled down to just sex joke and curse words, she wouldn't be this upset over it.
Also she was saying some time before how "Oh, people see me use sex jokes few times and apparently it's all I do" and now she goes "Oh it's just how I like to write!". The goalpost will be moved to Mars at this rate.
Kek I was hoping it would get to swear censor part and blatantly "censor" the words moron homosexual and rape
>My name is Caine. I am your b***h.
hilarious
>"That's right, b***h"
You guys know gooseworx and Vivzie have been close friends for years, right?
It’s not by Goose, it’s an edit which criticizes her childish humor .
I don't think they're all that close. Goose did some stuff for her years ago and that's basically all.
The whole indie animation scene hates her moron. Specially after the lackadaisy debacle she started by being malicious and her firing all of HH's VAs to suck that broadway wiener.
At best shes tolerated, just like her shit cartoons.
>source: trust me bro
Made a recreation of vivzie’s reaction https://vocaroo.com/1nPIZ5bJIv0J
t. autist
Reminded of this video, which does the same but for Digital Circus
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Heh
They’re right, but I like the TADC 🙁
>1.9k views
Does this b***h scour the internet for anyone who makes fun of her so she can be upset on twitter about it? Like holy shit Viv who cares?
It had over 50k views on Twitter and everyone was making fun of the show before the op deleted it because she and her fans wordlessly blocked the guy before having a tantrum about it everywhere and he felt guilty I guess.
It's true but she didn't deserve this 🙁
PFTHAHAHAHA
Another reason to support more Digital Circus.
The fact TADC is making vivzie seethe is so amazing.
Total Viv defeat! Viv on suicide watch! Hopefully livestream suicide soon too
>giga internet famous woman producer
>one guy makes a critic video that points out that you can't write for shit
>guy has barely any views
>c**t spergs out because she can't take a single critic
now THATS a perfect women moment
Reminds me of Erica Lindbeck having a freakout over a Futaba AI Cover with 200 views or less. And then Viv blamed "misogyny" for that AI cover.
this is just troons targeting another Creator cuz people find Loona more atractive to them, than any fricking tranoid AGAIN!
you will never have a vegana an yes Loona is more of a biological woman than you homosexuals
>Loona is more of a biological woman than you
God I hope so
Well, Loona is not real, so...
She's real to me.
>My name is Caine. I am your b***h.
Actually hilarious ngl
>GAY you are GAY till the end of tiiiiime
underrated.
It's like cancer getting infused with AIDS
I'm glad I don't understand any of this
>My name is Caine. I am your b***h.
>parody is funnier than Vivzies entire filmography
Color me shocked
>Inspiration is Seth Rogen
That explains everything
Got to love creators smelling their own cheese shit and convincing themselves that they are invincible.
Context?
>"12 year olds shouldn't focus on romance, only on Pokemon and Pop Tarts"
>Then what was up with all the time the show spent on Dipper's crush on Wendy?
>"Show me your cartoon"
>Alex Hirsch saying show me your cartoon
>When his every misery in life stems from the fact that he didn't own his own cartoon, Disney did.
God, he's just setting himself up to be dunked.
By this logic you cant criticise any politician or company.
Tell me Dr. Goobermeister if you can, you have complained so much, what is it exactly you have created? Can you show me even one cartoon? I thought not.
Show me your cartoon
Hirsch is a hack
What do you expect from the person who has a Sausage Party nazi OC
>Sausage Party nazi OC
Explain
She made a Sausage Party OC that is a nazi
fair enough
I'm sorry you're losing a twitter argument OP but I'm not backing you up. You should go back to twitter and stay there this time
Seethe Vivi
go back to twitter. you have to go back
>saying you shouldn't try to appeal to everybody is "sperging" out
She's actually right here
She was pissed at this video:
>as a writer you should write something for your Audience to laugh at, not yourself
Frick that moron, writing for what people think the audience wants is the shittiest advice you can give any creative. What that guy is actually saying is "write for what I, a no-name homosexual on Twitter, likes". Vivz is actually based for once for not listening to these morons. Frick you OP, you suck dick.
Yeah it feels like grasping for straws to try and frame this as "sperging out". I agree with her first statement but not so much with the second one.
She was pissed that someone made fun of her constantly making cursing and sex jokes.
That moron is OP. He's a twitter tourist who's losing his gay little argument and he's posting screenshots here looking for validation.
Your gay furry show sucks ass, deal with it.
The first fricking rule of writing literally anything is "know your audience."
Writing for yourself is one style of writing but is inherently self-indulgent and typically limits your work's success unless you get very lucky.
>Writing for yourself is one style of writing but is inherently self-indulgent and typically limits your work's success unless you get very lucky.
She did. Vivzie got really lucky. She made characters and a concept that she was interested in and it resonated with A LOT of people. Her target audience is people like her, so she's writing stuff she likes because she knows it will resonate with that audience.
her characters and concept have been thrown out the window after season 1, anon
sure, but considering she continues to maintain a rabidly faithful fanbase, that doesn't seem to matter. The target audience isn't you, anon. The target audience isn't me.
>so she's writing stuff she likes because she knows it will resonate with that audience
Then why are there so many complaints on twitter?
Is that a joke?
She got absurdly lucky (TWICE) but didn't recognize it and now her luck is running thin
You have to capitalize on what catches on.
What caught on with Hazbin was the aesthetic, which could have been spun into a profitable line of merch and maybe the occasional music video but people don't actually seem interested in the plot.
What caught on with Helluva was Loona and Millie+Moxxie, but in writing for herself she's completely focused on the gay owl nobody likes.
Her comedy style, like a lot of people that rely on shock, actually relies on novelty. Their shtick quickly runs dry. See: Roiland, Dane Cook
Give credit where credit is due. One success could be attributed to dumb luck, but the fact that she was able to do it twice means she does have some skill.
It remains to be seen how people respond to Hazbin. It's entirely possible that, as you say, she's focused on the 'wrong' things and now the spindlehorse wave is over, but it's too early to say. I honestly don't watch either show since it's not really for me, but I find the absolute hatred that some people seem to have for her fascinating.
Viz already does that. One of the main things that push Helluva Boss (and likely will push Hazbin along) is making fun of cringe 2012 Tumblr culture. Lots of swearing, eroticism to the point of it not making sense, etc. People feel nostalgic towards those times nowadays and will enjoy stuff referencing it or making fun of it.
100% of the time, it's true, you should be making the content YOU want to see because it entertains you. Viv and many people are inspired and influenced by South Park. Viv's main issue isn't so much the content she makes, it's that she'll have to seek validation for her content ANY TIME someone questions why the series is popular at all.
Most people understand that Neil Breen will make Breen movies, and he'll never take feedback. That's to his benefit. His work can seem more true and endearing because of it. Much like with Steven Universe, Viv has made CHANGES to her series based on feedback from her die hard fans. So long as she's pleasing the 20 people who already kiss her ass, she has a hard time dealing with push back, and we end up with
sperg outs" like this.
>Twitter thread
Just go back to the pilot of killing people.
Sorry chud that’s not canon anymore tee hee
THE CHARACTER SAID FRICK NOW LAUGH
why are zoomers so anti-sex
None of them are having it compared to previous generations. Way more porn, and way more graphic porn at that, but less physical interaction. Feels like the average zoomer would be considered a shut-in nerd in my time.
It's less anti-sex and more backlash against the oversaturation of it in internet culture. Sex is a punchline to people whose most naughty exposure to porn before dialup was finding their dad's Playboy, but to a lot of these zoomers, they've spent most of their lives exposed to that shit, so instead of being some alluring taboo it's just nauseating repetition. And a lot of the shit surrounding online sex culture is repulsive, but pushed forward by autistic deviants who want to cry persecution if called weird (think of how emboldened and obnoxious furries are, and apply that to almost every fetish with more than, like, twelve people making content for it), so eventually sentiment against the whole thing was going to bottle up. Finally, tack on the number of morons who make their fetishes a huge part of their online personality giving the impression that sex communities online are all populated by brainrot coomers just looking for stuff to jack off to, and it's just uncool.
ok zoomer
Zoomers are more than half of vizie’s audience, dipshit
aren't they the ones screaming SEXO at every anime girl pic
Other shows and movies that try to be so over-the-top raunchy are just obnoxious because they do it as gross-out humor. Sex and swears make them uncomfortable, and they try to make the audience share in that discomfort.
Vivzie, on the other hand, is unapologetically sex-positive. All the characters are slender and sexy, and they never hold back because Vivzie doesn't think the audience needs to be spared. This full committal to the style of humor makes her shows genuine and funny.
See
t. Mooregay
except the part where half the cast is so unbearably pathetic they are unfrickable
Who?
fizz
moxxie
blitzo
stolas
just about every male main cast member, except az but i'm certain they'll ruin him too.
How can you call them unfrickable when they're all fricking?
what idiotic statement is this? they're unfrickable to the viewer. Professional "ick" providers
>thousands of entries on rule34
From before they got ruined
>This homie thinks people stopped doing more porn of them all the sudden
In what kind of realm do you live?
That doesn’t matter. A man will cooom over practically anything.
>and sexy
They're about as sexy as a pool noodle, don't let fanart fool you.
What are you, 12?
This one million times. I'm glad somebody else here understands this.
have you only watched family guy or something before vivzie hell universe came around
>and sexy
ah yes, i definitely want to frick a lamp-post
i'd frick its lights out
>and sexy
Have you ever tried to frick a box?
ONE CUT A HOLE IN THE BOX
>Other shows and movies that try to be so over-the-top raunchy are just obnoxious because they do it as gross-out humor. Sex and swears make them uncomfortable, and they try to make the audience share in that discomfort.
Yeah this is how I describe family guy. It's afraid of its own edginess so it has to draw attention to it.
>Have you ever tried to frick a box?
Where do you think you are?
>Vivzie is funny because she's sex positive
I thought I'd never would've said this in this thread but Rocky Horror Picture show of all things has an equal amount of sex positive imagery while being 100x more entertaining. You want good gay shit? This is as good as it gets.
How can it be sex positive when four years later we still don't have canon Loona pussy
swearing is like singing in a musical. you only do it when your emotions are too intense not to.
New cast list for Hazbin Hotel is up
She's gonna frick up Saint Peter and the angels isn't she
>Loses her animators to SMG4
>She now has to compete with The Amazing Digital Circus, Monkey Wrench, and Lackadaisy
>Reuploads clips from Helluva to try and stay relevant (Its not working)
>Is getting fatter and sassier as a result (HAHAHA YES!)
Are we witnessing the fall of Vivzie in real time?
Yes
I'm convinced she sold her soul to the devil to get this popular
I cannot wait for the allegations during the strike next year when animators are telling viv was a shitty boss that paid them slave wages
Frick off moronic namegay
don't forget she put hazbin on a service absolutely fricking nobody is going to see
There's a million and one reasons to shit on Viv, but Hazbin being on Amazon Prime isn't one of them, it's definitely not one of the countless smaller streaming services that is probably going to die off within the next five years.
Anon, I wouldn't precisely call Amazon Prime something nobody is going to see. Frickers somehow turned Invincible and the Boys from obscure properties into shit everyone and their grandma meme nowadays.
Those are paid shills dipshit
maybe because Amazon still winds up being one of the most used websites across the internet and the brand association is there? Of course not everyone might know of Amazon as a whole, but denying its whole brand popularity is pretty much feigning ignorance. Pretty much same thing with Disney Plus and brand popularity.
The difference is that Invincible and The Boys are something my boomer dad would (and does) watch. Never in a million fricking years would he touch a gay demon musical cartoon made by a Californian Tumblrina.
Hazbin Hotel has a very narrow appeal. It pretty much will only ever appeal to left-leaning zoomers and millennials.
Didn't Monkey Wrench get cancelled?
from what I recall, episode 3 is currently in development.
>keeping at it even with his cartoon being considered a flop in terms of effort to views and when compared to other known webtoons
Dont care for the show, but gotta appreciate the grind.
This is real grind anon
Indeed
they don't even try to hide it anymore, jesus!!!
>monkey wrench
in any sort of competition
let's not kid ourselves here. Nobody cares for Monkey Wrench
> Monkey Wrench
Lol no one watches that
It’s pretty sad too because the animation is really nice
There goes any minuscule amount of hope left that Hazbin would actually be funny and would learn from Helluva's mistakes.
At first she wanted to be daring and rebellious but that desire dissolved into just lots of cursing and trying to offend boomers.
And you especially.
>OH SHIT FRICK ON wiener IN MY ASS PIECE OF SHIT c**t b***h!
>uhh…sir? wiener b***h FRICKING MY prostitute ASS c**t FRICK!
>she spergs out
HH/HB is unfunny af, but she gave a reasonable response. No reason to dump on it unless you want to start drama
If it's set in hell, where are the serial killers and genocidal dictators? Why don't we see the Zodiac Killer as a sparkledog? Where's Charles Manson?
Because its safe edgy Anon, She'll have to actually offend everybody if she wants it to be good. But she's too much of a fat pussy to do it.
Youtube would boot her off if she actually went edgy counterculture like they did MurdochMurdoch.
Alastor was a serial killer and I can understand not having IRL terrible people show up aside from a gag or two, however Viv will probably retcon him into being a 'good' serial killer who only killed those who really had it coming.
There was Dahmer, maybe watch something before complaining
Cute!
I want to hack him into pieces then feed him to my cat. She would be a better demon than that sad uwu pathetic creature.
Mean!
Seems reasonable.
Legit funnier than almost all of helluva boss
Meant for
There's a balance that needs to happen, right? Like, if you're a comedian and you get no laughs after a joke, obviously you workshop that joke. But you're still WORKSHOPPING it, not changing it completely for wide appeal. I think a big issue is that Vivienne probably doesn't do any table reads or internal screenings with her crew to see if jokes and story beats land. She probably does like, the bare minimum when it comes to an editor pass. I also don't believe she's worked on her own internal comedic timing enough where a lot of the jokes she wants to do are perfect the first time through. Like, someone like Louie CK when he was writing "Louie" could probably just nail a joke after the first or second take. He has the comedy chops to know how to structure the funniest sentence and perform it with the funniest cadence. But Vivienne? Eh. Not really.
That’s the sad thing about everyone in the entertainment business today, they’re usually too stubborn to take any form of critique. Creators would rather ignore any non positive feedback even if their show’s popularity is clearly on the decline because of it, they’ll even go so far as to make fun of critics instead of acknowledging the problems with their writing.
I think it's also a mixture of lack of vision. If Vivienne writes a joke and doesn't really know how she wants it to be performed, she might rely a little TOO MUCH on the voice actors to just give her magic. She might give very generic or vague instructions like, "And Blitz is really excited in this moment", but probably doesn't have an actual idea how she wants the scene to play out beat-for-beat in her head.
It's one of those things where if you don't KNOW color theory, you hire a color script artist in hopes he'll just do most of the work for you. You'll say, "This is sad scene, so blues would be good" and then you just trust the other guy to know what he's doing and deliver gold on your behalf.
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In this, Jason Alexander is trying to teach Larry David how to act like George. George is based off of Larry David, he wrote for the character for a fricking decade. But he is still getting advice from someone else who KNOWS how to break shit down. And Jason Alexander knows the character so well because Larry David used to explain it to him during the making of Seinfeld. You need that back-and-forth understanding and the ability to absorb while also teaching for good creative skills.
Sounds a lot like Genndy Tartakovsky
Gennedy has a vision, he just really sucks at endings. Endings are probably one of the harder things to do as a writer, but you'd think he would've nailed one in his 20+ year career.
Unicorn was dog water
I would say that a lot of people cannot take critique well nowadays. Of everyone I know, only my mother, one of my friends and my boss will take onboard any criticisms and adapt accordingly. Everyone else I know won’t even really make the effort and have at times sperged out. I think the entertainment industry is more prominent in this regard as everyone in it seem to be perpetual (wo)man-children who have never faced adversity in their lives before.
>Do you have any idea what it's like?! Everywhere I go, "Hey Cartman, you must like Helluva Boss, right?" "Hey, your sense of humor reminds me of Helluva Boss, Cartman." I am NOTHING like Helluva Boss! When I make jokes, they are inherent to a story! Deep, situational and emotional jokes based on what is relevant and has a POINT! Not just one interchangeable joke after another!!
Just a genuine question, but who is Helluva Boss geared towards? Edgy teenagers or adults who swear like donkeys?
It's supposed to be for adults but most of the fanbase is children because it's free on youtube
probably both? Most adult animation tends to capture attention from both teens and actual adults.
Fujos whose tastes stopped developing in high school. To boil it down as a demographic, urban women between the ages of 21 - 35 who also like drawing or anime.
>Just a genuine question, but who is Helluva Boss geared towards?
Anybody with an open mind and a sense of humor. Some people fail that test; and some of those people have X accounts; still some of those people mouth off to Vivziepop. They're irrelevant.
So not you?
Your parents must have pulled some Helluva strings to get you through compulsory education, because your reading comprehension is frickng abysmal.
>and a sense of humor
Damn, I guess I don't have a sense of humor because I hardly chuckled at the whole Helluvah Boss series. Frick me in the ass, I suppose.
>They're irrelevent
Yes please post more about how much you don't care and how mad you aren't.
Me
In the beginning, I'd've said it was geared towards a more edgy and younger but fun audience. But now from what I've seen and heard, it's more so a fanfic for gay adults and people with bad humor that's very divorced from its initial concept.
I don't see her sperging she said this is how I want to make my thing you don't have to enjoy it because it's not for you
OP has a hate boner so basically anything that Vivzie says or does will become a reason to be outraged.
OP is probably also one of the dipshits involved in the argument and is trying to whip up support here so they don't have to feel so stupid.
This would have been fine if it weren't for the fact that this wasn't the sole time she said that over and over to keep her fanbase support against the haters instead of keeping composition like a grown adult and keeping her fanbase out of petty internet arguments but since most of her fanbase are teenagers and frustrated women in their 20/30s, they can always let it slide for her own sake. But considering how she herself having admitted to somehow "organically" talk like that also, I guess formality never existed for her.
IDK man I listen to dungeons amd daddies amd straight up Freddie Wong is actually arguing in reddit threads about how not terrible he is l. Big difference in that.
Viv is more pissy and b***hy about the way people perceive her work than any other creator with a following that I've seen.
Who else with a decent following goes on rants every few months because someone suggested their humor is repetitive and stale, or their characters are over designed rainbow vomit?
not trying to white knight here because frankly I don't give a frick, but it's entirely possible that she gets a lot more shit than other creators. There have been dedicated Vivzie hate threads here for YEARS and it was especially bad when Spindlehorse was one of the only indie productions really making waves. People seemed almost offended that she was succeeding at making something like it was an unpleasant reminder of their own failure.
I'm with you that her responses are juvenile and it would often be best to stay quiet, but I also know how relentless and awful some schizos are and can understand why it might push someone to finally clap back.
Its mostly because she's been annoying and getting into shit since her deviantart days. She's just a typical lolcow and people like to mess with them.
She gets a lot of hate because she's a woman. Yeah, she has bad personality traits, but this isn't exclusive to her. She wouldn't get as much hate on here if she were a guy.
Twitters the other way.
he's not wrong. In the earlier days of Spindlehorse, there wasn't nearly as much to hold against her as there is now, but anons would just SEETHE over her. I get that Cinemaphile basically hates everything, but it always seemed a bit extra with Vivzie and I got the impression it had a lot to do with the fact that she is a woman.
Because she's always been annoying and easy to frick with, years before her shows.
She's had haters LONG before she managed to gain a cult of simps and it's frustrating that she didn't go under before she even manged to make HH/HB.
furgay here, I absolutely hate that design kill it with fire
Stupid frickin John K hair headass weed dog
Are you done talking to yourself?
In talking to you, Vivso
Lol, keep going.
I've said all I needed to if you're already seething THOUGH
Stop.
>lazy eye
>what the hell is going on with her teeth
>what the hell to the third power is going on with her left tit
>popeye arms
>right leg is significantly longer than the left, for no reason
>this is obviously an anthro, but the tail is located where a human would use a tail buttplug
>awful color choices, olive green with yellow teeth is something you want to use for a villain or something meant to look disgusting
>classic furry mistake of side snout, perspective is completely wrong
Damnit I'm angry enough looking at this picture that I kinda want to go and redraw it, would that be something worth my time? Would anybody actually want to see that?
I would, go for it. make her fat
Honestly looks fine.
go for it.
All of you mad when this was a shitty parody drawing of her horribly sparkle dog designs.
How about you fix her actual shitty character designs.
Not this one, this one was made to mock a friend she had a falling out with.
What happened?
Almost post-2010s John K level design problems, how did this chick even get popular?
>I TURNED MYSELF INTO A PICKLE FATTY
people fricked with her because she started like 40 identical webcomics, would update them for like 6 months, completely drop them and then be like "Guys I promise THIS will be the project I don't drop, so gimme money okies~" every single time
Zoophobia already gave plenty of ammo on what kind of person Vivzie is.
That's just objectively false.
>I always get the impression people hated her because she was a woman
There are a lot of female animators I adore. Lynne Naylor, Tracy Butler, Sally Cruikshank, Lauren Faust and so on. Being a woman doesn’t have anything to do with it. Vivzie is just a massive c**t who can’t take criticism. There’s a reason it took years for her to finally get a show to enter mainstream animation. While she has a good art direction, she’s a horrible person to work with. If Hazbin fails or doesn’t become popular as expected. I Imagine Amazon won’t be calling her back to make more shows.
Going back to Lauren Faust, she’s a female animator yet MLP exploded in popularity in the 2010s. While there may have been anti-bronies who talked shit about her to get a reaction. She was widely praised for the most part. I’m not even a ponygay myself but I can’t deny there was good writing and characters that made the show appealing to many regardless of gender. Helluva Boss has none of that. It’s target audience are 30 year old women who never matured past high school, much like Viv herself. It’s a reflection of character.
Vivzie is a fan of Harley Quinn so I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets writing tips from that
me to all of that
>I've been influenced by Seth Rogan and South Park
I would've kind of understood Seth Mcfarlane, but Rogan? Seriously?
What a goddamn hack, I was apathetic toward this show but I hate it and this piece of shit poisoning adult animation even further
Vivienne writes her gays like they're going to get in a fistfight with a woman
I trust Vivienne and Brandon over nazi dipshits any day. Helluva Boss is absolutely hilarious; I wouldn't have thr dialog any other way.
Also
It is FASCINATING how nobody complains this way about the dialog in like, South Park. It's almost as if these cretins had some gargantuan fricking double standards going on in their brains!
Really gets the old noggin joggin', you know!
>nazi dipshits
Before my mind does mental gymnastics trying to understand what on earth you're talking about, can we at least have some sort of petition so we can make it and force Vivzie try and break the world record of the South Park movie swears?
>Before my mind does mental gymnastics trying to understand what on earth you're talking about
Any and all appeals to "morality" are just a veiled form of fascist authoritarianism where somebody tells you how you may or may not behave yourself or craft your art, because it offends that person's sensibilities. Weyhet out of religious conviction or qokeness; in practice there is no difference. And it's your duty as a citizen to keep anybody who finds Helluva Boss offensive the frick away from any sort of political power; because if these people had the chance; they would abolish artistic freedom so that they don't get offended.
as opposed to the liberal authoritatianism. why do you think anyone would bother reading your garbage with such a laughable statement so early?
it's like you dummies are produced at a factory, how can one be ths ignorant. keep fighting ~~*THEM*~~ tho bro
>liberal authoritatianism
The word liberal apparently means whatever the frick you want it to these days, from google:
noun
1. A supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
2. A supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
Authoritarianism fits in one of these definitions.
Only way we can have our individualism protected is an authoritarian state forcing everyone at gunpoint to accept us.
Okay Viv
she got fat instead of working out to counter act the sedentary lifestyle of animating. what a shame
many many such cases
Rebecca "Stacy" Sugar is still fit as frick. Definitely seems to only affect loser animators.
Speaking of which, how many chins has Genndy Tartakovsky grown lately?
butter face
Seethe more Vivziepoop
hit the gym girl, dem a24 contracts ain't worth it
>fit as frick
that's pushing it
That looks like the woman who played Dreamgirl in Supergirl.
Vivzie is more frickable even if she's gained weight. Rebecca got all the bad parts of her heritage. She looks like a Jeopardy contestant that everyone's awkwardly trying to avoid direct eye contact with.
>She looks like a Jeopardy contestant
why did this make me laugh so hard
>She looks like a Jeopardy contestant that everyone's awkwardly trying to avoid direct eye contact with.
KEK
>Vivzie is more frickable
Curves are supposed to be concave, not convex, fatty.
I'm not saying you SHOULD, I'm saying if someone had my wiener at knifepoint unless I put it in one of these dumpster fires, Vivzie would be a safer bet.
>Vivzie is more frickable even if she's gained weight
Sometimes I see pictures of rubenesque women Cinemaphile likes to slobber over and I get the appeal. This is not one of those times.
>She looks like a Jeopardy contestant that everyone's awkwardly trying to avoid direct eye contact with.
I think Rebecca is cute, but I still laughed.
Lel
I don’t like Rebecca, she seems fake innocent while actually being passive aggressive
>uses that big massive V dress
>has cero breasts
no wonder she tried to turn all kids homo, it's just another jelly ugly b***h
It's weirding me out how thin her forearms and wrists are
damn, just outside my would box.
once the fat starts showing in the toes, its too far
>She drew herself thin as a twig
>Shirt with a burger design
Unintentionally funnier then her show/vaporware.
>It is FASCINATING how nobody complains this way about the dialog in like, South Park
The difference is the swearing has a purpose in South Park. A good example would be the movie in how the moms wanted to ban Terrance and Philip because it was teaching the kids to swear like sailors. Helluva Boss on the other hand tries to dress up the constant swearing as a form of intimidation but instead makes the cast look moronic by having them talk like that. It’s inline with a 13 year old COD player spewing death threats.
It’s an issue of quantity over quality, If Viv was actually a good writer she’d have the characters swear but only when they are either in destress or there’s a punchline involved, even shows like Family Guy understand that. Lots of people think swearing automatically makes something adult, but when you are over-reliant on making the characters say “shit” and “frick” it makes them sound more child-like if anything. Viv isn’t a good writer, neither are Brandon or Adam Neylan. The show would be better off if it had a writing team consisting of cartoonists who understand what makes other shows appealing.
Do you think something like Twin Peaks became popular because it had a scary midget and weirdly designed rooms? No, it’s because the characters were likable and interesting. I mean yeah Helluva Boss is popular now, but what about in the future? People are going to re-watch the episodes 10 years from now and cringe.
Absolutely no fricking shot somebody is unironically arguing that fricking South Park is a better show than Helluva Boss
You can not be fricking serious
"Assburgers" is better than any episode of Helluva Boss.
Steven Universe is better than anything from South Park.
I could name so many fricking good episodes from South Park. But Helluva Boss has like...at best, a few good ones from S1 and the pilot. And the pilot's not even canon anymore. S2 is fricking garbo supreme.
> I could name so many fricking good episodes from Steven Universe. But Helluva Boss has like...at best, a few good ones from S1 and the pilot. And the pilot's not even canon anymore. S2 is fricking garbo supreme.
FTFY
>The pilots not even canon anymore
The frick you mean the pilot isn't canon anymore?
I like the part where Vivzie states that “bringing a child back to hell” is what clearly makes it non-canon as though we’re supposed to know from the FIRST EPISODE FROM THE FRICKING SHOW what the rules of her bastardized vision of hell are supposed to be.
Yeah. What is she talking about? We never had that explained in the show.
>The first episode (pilot) is not canon to the rest of the show
>Viv still has not developed or at least explained thoroughly how hell works in her universe
Frick this
>finally wants to do something with Loona again
>it's just a repeat of her absolute worst moment
Probably can't do anything major with Loona or any other female character because that would distract from the yaoi shit, their big moments can only be quick gags.
So it's not okay to bring a kid back to hell but it is okay to kick a baby
Tangentially related to this topic, this is a massive flaw with Viv's stuff in general, Stella is super evil because she's an abusive b***h to Stolas, but I.M.P. aren't bad despite the fact they murder people for money and even massacred an entire beach over a parking dispute. Same flaw is almost certainly going to happen with Hazbin.
Her morality is
>Gay, Perceived to be without Power, or Quirky = Good
>Norma;, Perceived to be with power, Reserved, or Straights that aren't constantly apologetic about their heterosexuality or an ally = Bad
I mean, why do you think she went and made lust the "weakest" sin when it should be one of the strongest with how absurdly horny the 21st century has gotten? Because if Asmodeus was the strongest, he'd be "bad". I won't name political shit but this is how these types think, they constantly paint themselves as the oppressed because it's what their worldview stems from.
South Parks worst episode is still better than HB’s best
HB's pilot was a REALLY good pilot episode. At no point did it suggest that it was going to turn into a musical drama about forbidden gay romance, so she's fortunate that Disney didn't produce this.
>The difference is the swearing has a purpose in South Park.
Don't forget that South Park is ultimately better than Hellavua Hotel
Also another thing is that South Park creators Matt and Trey were capable of making their humor BETTER. They fricking parody the overuse of swears in "It hit the fan" episode. They were able to recognize their own shortcomings, their own cringe from very early on and work through it. Evolve what they had into something better. Raise the bar for themselves. And Viv seems unwilling to change and deluded into thinking that she doesn't need to change and is already perfect. She has WAY too big of an ego. And I think I finally see what irks me so much about her. It's this unwillingness to change and lack of admission of her own shortcomings and instead deflecting everything and making her fanbase an echo chamber where everyone who doesn't agree with her decision even slightly is worthy of being excommunicated and harassed which she seems to encourage.
Jealous much
>It is FASCINATING how nobody complains this way about the dialog in like, South Park
No one in South Park talks like this. I can tell you've never watched South Park. There are a FEW instances in the early seasons, but that was really Matt and Trey getting some goofy shit out of their systems and pushing what they could do on TV. (Vivzie can do whatever she wants so there's no edginess to it.)
They even lampooned it in the recent multiverse special with a lot of the "diverse" characters being basically stereotypical versions of themselves you'd expect to see from a stunning and brave Gen Z writer who wants to capture South Park for a new audience but has only read Wikipedia summaries.
Hence that special is full of random 'frick's, including diverse Cartman calling Kyle a 'fricking butt-fricker', but there's a larger point to it.
There's also a lot of South Park episodes rated TV-14 now, something Vivzie literally couldn't manage to even accidentally do, let alone if you had a gun to her temple if she wrote the word 'frick' again.
This board has the least amount of nazis. I'm not a nazi and I'm telling you, Vivzie's humour is grade school.
South Park is self aware enough to not have it be every character's dialogue, and even when made fun of it's expense, the creators go "haha lol" and move on
Vivziepop cannot take even a meme video parodying her writing style and often causes a whole scene on twitter
>even when made fun of it's expense, the creators go "haha lol" and move on
>he doesn't know
I didn’t realize the southpark creators routinely throw temper tantrums on twitter because people think their show sucks. Damn. Nice false equivalency tho
Honestly, based Viv sticking to her guns. She made a show with her particular brand of humor, and it became very successful. If it's not for you, that's fine, but changing it to be more universally appealing would render it soulless.
It hasn't had a soul whatsoever since early Season 1 Helluva.
You homosexuals know these people complaining are irrelevant, right?
Viv made a completely self-sufficitent adult cartoon show by being exactly the way these subhuman ducks mouthing off to her don't like it. It's is PROVEN that the way she does things WORKS.
Who cares if some homosexuals don't like it? They can frick off, Helluva Boss will keep going without them.
They're just saying the show writing is trash which is true, It's that serious, anon. If it being successful was all that mattered to Vivzie we would not be having to deal with her desperately defending her show's honor each month over the slightly criticism. But she cares a lot about what those people who don't like her show have to say.
You know that the only reason this fanfic has a show is because her parents are rich right?
It has a show because after the pilot; millions of people said "thank you ma'am, may I have another".
If a pilot is unpopular, there is no show. Simple as. But it was. So there is. Millions of people love Helluva Boss; that's a fact.
It is true that the show got made because millions of people wanted more after the pilot. But two big reasons why Vivzie was able to make those pilots in the first place was because she was already a known creator AND her grandparents are wealthy landlords. All of the animators, voice actors, inbetweeners, story boarders, colourists etc. Had to be paid for somehow.
>her grandparents are wealthy landlords
You really think she went through School of Visual Arts and then moved to an expensive house in LA just with "working joe" parents?
NTA, but she had been living in LA for quite some time in an apartment. She bought the house after she had already inked the deal with A24. It's possible that she got a fat advance check and bought the place with that.
People; your issues aren't with Medrano, your issues are with CAPITALISM.
Her parents were average joes not rich
>It is PROVEN that the way she does things WORKS
I mean, if you swear like a drunken sailor man in the industry, I guess you can somewhat work up your way to the top with the old men that "like the cut of her jib".
Replying to something isn't synonymous with being mad.
We are living in the age of "We can therefore we should" in media. Based around low effort shock that's already getting stale, instead of telling a compelling story.
I get with less restrictions these days people are motivated to swing for the fences with this attitude (eg: Euphoria's unnecessary parade of penises, The Boys saying "frick" 474 times in Season 3 for no reason) but if the majority of what's coming out is just shallow crap, then maybe, just maybe, those restrictions of the past were a blessing in disguise.
If you want to tell a good story with that content then do it, but the majority of it is just edgy cynical juvenile garbage. Sure it's popular now, but the novelty's gonna wear off and they'll have to actually learn how to tell a decent story.
Why is she arguing with literal whos?
unstable mentality
even her fanbase is telling her to stop responding to every bit of criticism about her show on twitter and guess what? she argues with those as well
One of her biggest shortcomings is she has no idea how to shut the frick up.
It's incredible how much she's sabotaged herself by acting like this when she could have just said nothing.
I don't think she said anything wrong here. She made the people tweeting at her look like a couple of tards if you ask me.
I'm not even a fan of her work
doesn't sit well with me with the fact she likes biting back when the plate's already semi-cold and tries making the what was meant to just be a funny jab that took off more than it should look like the one that did wrong with the defending fanbase going "yeah you go girl you totally not the one being overly sensitive here despite the fact you yourself admitted to your own characters in hell swearing and not even for comedy purposes".
It doesn't matter if you said anything wrong when you're in the position of a writer, director, creator, etc. It's not your place to sit around and argue with your consumers.
Maya Petersen did it right grognard
>opening the Pandora's box of anyone being able to make a "Kyle's Mom Is A b***h" version towards her
These seem like somewhat reasonable responses despite the fact that I disagree with her. Doesn't really feel like sperging out other than the fact that it's a mistake to engage with comments in general.
This whole board is filled with Twitter drama prostitutes. It's insufferable to be around.
She's emotionally stunted at the age of 14, in case you couldn't tell from her art. It's a common thing. She means it when she says
>it's how I talk
Because middle school girls into girl oriented edgy stuff like Jack skellington, mostly talk like the characters in HB. They make the same kinds of jokes too. Her natural state is to sperg out, as is with all people who are stunted. If you watch HB or whatever, you are watching a show made for teenage girls, no matter how many "adult" themes it has. In which case, if you are not a teenage girl yourself, you deserve to suffer for having awful taste
But then you tell one rape joke and they break down in tears.
Like I said, they're into girl-oriented edgy, not actual edgy. I'd say "safe edgy" but homosexuals from other boards ruined the "safe" prefix.
Tell me a rape joke. And not the one about making a kid cry twice.
I'm not sure that's what anon was getting at. I think the argument being made was essentially the same as asking "why are you a coprophage if you hate the taste of shit?"
If you don't like the media and you still consume it, you're giving the creators reason to make more of the same. Stop watching. It's like watching a John Waters movie and complaining about drag queens all up in your shit (and literally eating shit, for that matter).
nta but how about surprise buttsecks from spy tf2, in game he stabs you from behind, so it became a whole meme circa 2012. still funny to this day
nine out of ten people enjoy gangrape
Frick you that's good
welcome!
Handbanana from Aqua Teen. The joke is thet he's basically just a dog humping stuff but talks like a human rapist
>you deserve to suffer for having awful taste
You've actually convinced yourself that you are doing anything other than this. There's millions more on the internet who like things you don't like. Better go make 'em suffer. An avenger's work is never done.
What the frick are you talking about? Do you complain that Sesame Street doesn't have enough gunplay? If you complain that things clearly made for another demographic don't cater to you, you're a moron and should suffer until you either learn or die seething.
That's not the same as changing an established thing, by the way. Because I know some (You) fishing homosexual will try to make a false equivalence. It's not like trannies writing the next batman comic, targeting other trannies with it instead of the established audience, and then saying "durr it's not for you"
HB was made for teen girls from the getgo. Any moron could tell just looking at it. If you couldn't, that's your problem. Try growing another brain cell
>how most of the things i grew up with had characters talk
Name one fricking show.
I didn't watch any of these shitty indie cartoons, but aren't the Helluva characters demons or some shit like that? In context it makes sense that they are always swearing
some people don't exactly have a problem with that, in a setting that is apparent to be basically based on Hell, some swearing is at least expected, but from how I could interpret it in during the series, the swears isn't much organic, but rather more in excess than it should have and more close to teens swearing or grown adults acting like children.
There's definitely different layers of how one could swear, the one who gets adjusted/adapted just like how presumably Vivzie did (and if so, jesus fricking christ, I do not wish that even upon my worst enemy because she makes it sound like how she learned it is how she interprets it to be like hell), which broadens from young kids learning to cuss, to teenagers throwing slurs left and right (depending on how lucky one is, you end up surrounded by teenagers with a toilet for a mouth or you don't, but they still mightbe able to contain it), to the adults that only mildly curse but don't make it a daily habit, to the adults that curse to high heaven because they are in a constant level of stress/really fricking awful environment which might lead to an infinite cycle of adaptive slurring to those around them.
The industry and their artists mog indie shit yet again
How do they keep doing it?
Real talent
To expound upon this; they had real gumption and ambition to go into the industry and give us real magic.
Bezos money has its perks, this is a theatre on Hollywood Boulevard right now.
That should have belonged to Danger and Eggs, a real fricking LGBT cartoon
I don't remember this having anything gay outside the one pride episode. It was a pretty good show though, as long as you turn your tv's brightness down.
Why? Does Hazbin have some connection to broadway or something with its themes that I've missed, or is Viv coping about not being able to write a broadway play?
It's already pretty common to do those kind of premieres, and with Hazbin I guess it matches aesthetically. Not sure if the pilot at least did have an actual reference to Broadway that wasn't an aesthetic choice.
>It matches aesthetically
Do you mean in terms of architectural design? Because otherwise I don't really see it. Seems like just an ego thing to me then.
Reason why I said "I guess". Most of Hazbin's references to Broadway and such are very vague, but Viv does have an infatuation for musicals and Broadway stuff.
It’s almost like she wanted to do her own Billy and Mandy rip-off but more edgy and failed to see what made that show good in the first place.
Her shows aren't all that similar to Billy and Mandy.
if anything it's trying harder to be invader zim than grim adventures
M0re like invader zim.
Not really. Helluva is literally if Invader Zim had the plot lines of Bojack Horseman. "Edgy" grim dark aesthetic with degenerates going through drama. Blitz is literally Bojack.
I would insist she should do what's working and getting viewers, but Youtube shoves that shit in everybody's face if you live in the United States. You could make a brand new account with a brand new browser, VPN, etc. and the top thing that will be recommended to you on your very first visit to Youtube was Vivzieshit. She is forced down your throat and the problem with that is anything she insists is "the right way" cannot be proven because the invisible hand of israeli homosexualry is guiding things, not her.
Reminder that viv underpays her artists poorly
Underpay for first world standards, overpay for third world standards (most of Viv's workers)
The only word that is inherently funny is Black person.
sneed
Nasty. The stench
Sex jokes in general aren’t that funny
she's right but also she's a moron for caring so much about what people on twitter think. if their opinion is irrelevant to you, why even reply
Unironically a garbage take by the Shoob dude. If you can't laugh at your own jokes, how are you gonna expect others to do so?
>mild twitter disagreement
>spergout
if she kept posting about it afterward, thats a spergout. this is not a spergout.
The guy who made the video that triggered Viv this time felt pressured into deleting the original post.
Good end, the guy put the video back up on twitter because people support his work. Viv just "Streisand effect" herself with this one.
What is with zoomers making something that is clearly intended to mock and than say "I didn't mean to hurt anyone!" when people get upset?
Can you blame him? For the type of content vivziepop makes, you wouldn't think she would be offended by a parody
I mean, the "hurt" caused here was fans and viv getting butthurt, so I'm sure they didn't expect the backlash. It wasn't a joke made to hurt, but viv has paper skin.
His social status was in danger so he apologized it’s not complex they’re just little sociopaths
Zoomers also like to tear each other down in front of girls and claim it’s “bantz”
You can make any FRICKING thing look exactly like it was written by that b***h Vivienne Madrano by writing the word FRICK or b***h all in caps.
>if you don't like it cool, it's not my problem.
This would've meant more if she hadn't said it at the end of a long-winded tirade about someone's video mildly ribbing her work.
Funny how South Park unironically has better songs than helluva boss/hotel.
>Art regressed
>Writing regressed
>The entire thing has lost direction within 2 seasons
But I am writing for myself
It's amazing how Cinemaphile always ends up going through the same thing Cinemaphile does years later
>art is subjective
These are the same gaywipes that cry about "media literacy"
If she was actually confident about her style of humor, she'd just take the video in stride and maybe laugh at herself a little bit, not go on twitter to try and defend herself against what she perceives as an accusation.
I mean, the video just says she swears a lot, and it's true, she says herself it's, but clearly bothers her a lot that some people don't take her writing seriously.
It could also have something to do with the joke involving footage ripped straight from an indie pilot that has blasted her other pilots' views away in a matter of weeks and become insanely popular compared to her own work which took years to put together. It's even closing in on "Addict", her highest viewed video. Her defensive response is part her feeling hurt that her delinquent writing is being called out in the form of a joke and part her finally realizing that she is not an exception to the rules of relevancy in modern media.
>As a writer you write for yourself and what you love
The latter I can somewhat agree, but sometimes you are stuck on a shitty project and need the money.
The former is bullshit. You write for an audience, for the potential people who will read your book or comic, or watch your movie or show. And even then, writers with enough awareness know not everyone will like their stuff, and not just cop out with "art is subjective".
>Furry enjoys his furslop
Surprising!
>talking to himself
SHUSH
I can’t believe Hazbin Boss is worse than Rick and Morty. She just made Big Mouth for furries.
I wish that were the case, Big Mouth at least doesn't puss out with nudity
Big mouth is on netflix
Helluva boss is on youtube
You absolute mongrel moron
There's nothing stopping them from just hosting uncensored versions on newgrounds, or even their own website. They clearly have the budget, they would just rather tease and let fans do the work.
Nothing stopping them except fuining their reputation by posting porn for lonely coomers
>implying it hasn't already been ruined
Twitterinas dont give a shit what people like (You) think
You wont even put an identifiable weak point (name and face) to your words
the frick is there to be vulnerable about? The horny cartoon should follow-through on its constant horniness instead of just endless blueballing. A serialized cartoon with somewhat high production value (compared to the constant beanmouth and tween shit that's being made) that actually had sex in it would be cutting edge, most I've seen is the paper south park cutouts being dragged back and forth to hump each other. As is it's too safe and is getting stale.
leave vis alone she makes kino
>the poorgay version of family guy shitting on bob burger
Really co?
I like to watch my characters suffer.
Viv has gotten so petty I'm starting to think there's a high likelihood she'll add in some throwaway line like "You should be more appreciative Loony, I paid a LOT of money for that bottom surgery you wanted!"
>some furry makes a cartoon
>Cinemaphile spergs out
Her furry fans like it enough.
Test
>literally hasn't spoken a single line so far in S2 despite appearing in several episodes
Apparently it has nothing to do with her VA's boyfriend dying so what's the actual reason?
Sanitization. Viv is trying to force the furgays to lose interest in Hellavua Boss. This is turn loses viewership though.
Vivziepop hates furries are lusting for Loona instead of her, so she's sabotaging Loona's popularity.
Viv should draw Loona if she hates her so much. Imagine how dumb would she look in a diaper ha ha.
I wonder if hazbin will be forced to cut down on the swears due to network mandates
It's on Amazon, there is no network mandates.
Her cartoon would be funnier if there was racism but thats just my opinion
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>> She spergs out.
How is that sperging out?
That seems like a reasonable answer.
She’s angry over a literal shitpost thaf slightly mocks her immature humor.
>A lot of the swearing in the show isn't meant for comedy it's just how the characters talk, it's how I talk
>It's how I talk
That is one hell of a confession. What an immature brat you must be if you're peppering normal sentences with profanity for no reason.
you guys do realize Gooseworks (AKA creator of TADC) is a friend's of Vivzie and has even helped in doing designs previously for her works, right? (to name a few, the old geezer and these other two characters from that exact same episode). iirc Goose was also upset (I think) over their work being used to do that jab (which was pretty half-assedly thought out and still somehow right in the mark) and had it not gotten more attention from those who constantly treat the series as sex jokes/cusses, this whole situation would ever have happened
nevertheless, what Vivzie did was still overly sensitive and still trying to act as a holier-than-thou creator by trying to feign how sad one would be over not being able to enjoy a sense of humor such as hers. Someone like Gooseworx would mostly likely let things slide and Goose has pretty much even threatened turn the series into a shitpost or whatever if their fanbase didn't behave (which imho would honestly be pretty great to witness just to see how chaotic it would get but understand their perspective of just how wild some fanbases can turn into, already knowing what popularity would turn the series into
>iirc Goose was also upset (I think) over their work being used to do that jab
Fake news. Everyone loves to see Viv getting dunked on, even Tracy did after Viv started that drama with the lackadaisy animator.
>after Viv started that drama with the lackadaisy animator
when did this happen? Was not exactly aware of it.
TL;DR
Vivzie tried to give LackaDaisy a 5,000 donation under Spindelhorse's name during their Kickstarter. Tracey and her crew asked her not to do this, but she did it anyway. Failed to link the Kickstarter because Vivzie was virtue signaling about helping other indie creators.
An animator from Lackadaisy came out of the woodwork to criticize Vivzie, creating a huge drama storm on twitter between Lackadaisy vs Helluva Boss fans. Tracey rejected the donation (taking away the Producer Tier Vivzie would've had for that level)
Basically, Vivzie used to be friends with Fable - the lead person behind the Lackadaisy series but had a serious falling out with Vivzie shit-talking them on discord amongst *other* things.
It's implied there is serious drama behind the scenes but it's mostly being held back because people want to appear professional.
idgi the drama is because she sent them a donation and it was rejected?
are homos just out for blood or what?
Yes and No.
I think it's an open secret that Vivzie is a very unpleasant, petty, dramatic person to be around. She comes off as the type who is woefully emotionally and mentally stunted - almost definitely mentally ill.
If I had to guess, Fable would've been working on Spindlehorse with Vivzie, but got rejected due to some disagreement about morality, politics or some mixture of that. Vivzie tried to blacklist Fable from other people until Fable met Tracey and offered to bring up Lackadaisy into the indie animation scene.
Even a popular animator that WAS on good terms with Vivzie, Ashley Nichols recently has sided with Fable and the Lackadaisy crew - having nothing to do with anything in regards to Vivz anymore. She was the one who did HuniCast with the other VAs and bolstered the popularity for Hazbin in the early days of the fandom. She is also dating Angel's original VA Michael Kovach.
Vivzie seemed to get bitter after Ashley tried making her own pilot, Farfetched.
The fact Vivzie holds so much power and regard in the indie-industry makes her shitty childish behavior even more potent.
It seems Vivzie just hates competition - but is really trying to hide it.
>It seems Vivzie just hates competition - but is really trying to hide it.
Imagine not waiting people to compete against and using that as a drive to better yourself. Great job, you climbed this dinky-ass mountain and put barriers around the summit, have fun being alone at the top.
>Imagine not waiting people to compete against and using that as a drive to better yourself. Great job, you climbed this dinky-ass mountain and put barriers around the summit, have fun being alone at the top.
Not that I agree with her, but being the best indie animation is a huge selling point. Nobody wants to be second best or third best. So, Vivziepop starts petty squabbles and drama with her competition, so she can remain on top, with her monopoly of indie animation in her grasp.
I wonder what would happen if an indie animation studio simply... ignored her and kept working on projects?
Well, now Viv has to cope with being "second best/second most popular," behind Digital Circus in 1st place.
I bet she calls Gooseworx the T-word with the hard Y behind closed doors. I bet she's butthurt ADC is doing better than both her shows.
>far-fetched
You know, I've come across a LOT of women who draw in the artstyle this series has. Likewise a similar art style to HB/HH. And they all suck as people.
Every last one of them would turn on someone they know over petty shit and I watched them do it (from the sidelines) repeatedly. I do not recommend getting involved with them. Girls who draw anime style or realism are unironically more dependable and calm. I mean they're still women, they act different from men. But I haven't seen the same level of problems among their style groups as I have with the kind who draw like HH/HB/FarFetched
>Girls who draw anime style or realism are unironically more dependable and calm
I'm not sure about the former, but the latter is strangely true. Have a couple friends who are like that that are unironically the best and extremely chill. I'd argue that gals that draw flat (little to no shading) and without the Disney-esque expressions (the anime part can sorta fit into that I guess) are also cool.
It's their tastes demonstrating their personalities really. Art style can tell you a lot about a person. And these modern indie cartoon type styles especially with women are a red flag to me. Dramatic and often insecure.
I recently (like a month ago) watched one friend group of girls eat each other alive and have a block fest and discord implosion because one of them used AI for their background in a funny drawing that they didn't even post to social media. I don't really catalog what happens because I don't really care but it's always something minor
Where do you find these people?
Mutuals follow some of them and sometimes like their posts when they're shit talking each other. Then the posts lead to more posts, quote tweets and shit. I'm like a mouse, I just find my way into things and have no idea how I got there. I once accidentally stumbled into a circle of old gay furries who worked in 80's cartoon productions. Another time I met a guy who went to an orgy with a moderately famous cartoon voice actor.
Twitter right amrite?
Crazy fricking shithole that place, but if you don't take it seriously it's fun
>Mutuals follow some of them
How are you also not dragged into it?, people often attack everything associated with a user.
It's not as bad as you think, if you aren't acquainted directly with the spergs sperging out they largely ignore you. I can think of one time where a direct friend of mine got "cancelled" and still nothing happened to me. I think one person put my name on a block list or something, but I move accounts every now and then anyway, because again, you shouldn't take twitter seriously. I've learned which personalities and art styles to avoid acquainting with by now
Heh, I made a account just to watch drama too.
Aww man, all the artists I follow are so peaceful.
That's the trick, you follow the ones who are following the crazy ones, without touching the actual crazy ones yourself. But for me it's usually coincidence because I go through peoples likes when I'm bored
How do you get them to follow you back? I never used Twitter before.
You don't have to, unless it's a private account or something. Some of my accounts were art accounts so people followed those for the art. I just lurk now
Tell us some of the stories.
im thinking i do not like viv
>a fat white girl into goth aesthetic isn't mentally all there
Damn does it take a genius to see this shit? I thought Helluva was cool when I first watched it, but it was clear as day it was made by someone with clear mental issues.
> but it was clear as day it was made by someone with clear mental issues.
What were some red flags?
>artsyle
>plot
>the need for characters to be the most extreme versions of sin or taking concepts and blowing them sky high in regards to edge or "adult" humor.
I learned from watching shit like invader Zim and Ren and Stimpy that if your show is some weird niche edge shit then chances are you're a weird frick yourself.
Honestly the kind of "FRICK YOU THE MAN": signaling is kind of weird considering how insanely privileged Vivzie's upbringing is.
She's never really suffered or been told no, but she really *really* wants to write these underdog characters who have been kicked around. She doesn't really know that perspective so it comes off as very hollow and performative.A rebel without a cause kind of vibe that just feels very weak.
I think also just that really childish sense of humor and her viciously defending it was pretty weird. I also got the sense that she has to have the spotlight at all times in regard to her projects.
As seen by how she gets so up in arms and feels personally attacked about any mild critique of her show. She's absolutely obsessed with how she appears to the public.
>It's implied there is serious drama behind the scenes but it's mostly being held back because people want to appear professional
by the number of things I've already heard circling around Vivzie, most of the drama seems to come from how Vivzie behaves. Which I guess correlates with the fact how she pretty much admitted to speak as similarly as the cast in HB in concerns of swearing and if so, then yeah, I would also be pretty tired if I worked under the management of someone like that considering I do curse, but nowhere near the level Vivzie likes to take it in the show itself.
I mean thats just a proper adult. Only teens curse at every opportunity. I remember being in high school and just saying frick out loud for a laugh, so I can imagine being 30+ and hearing your dipshit boss curse and slip in gay shit with every sentence has to be grating, especially so since Vizie isn't even in her 30's yet and probably comes off like some art hoe know it all. Plus all the big time VA's probably just collect a check so all that's left is her behind the scenes staff to expose her bullshit.
I'm pretty sure she's over 30
The funny thing is that twitter will still label any criticism Vivzie gets simply because “she’s a woman” even though Helluva Boss stans attacked an entire animation company that was also entirely woman led (Iron Circus Animation)
Almost as if they pull the gender card as much as a brown person who’s in the wrong plays the minority card.
Welcome to circa-2014 GamerGate, where a spoiled nepobaby best known for taking five dudes at once was protected from any criticism of her shitty “games” and her role in corrupting the games industry because the media could use the defense that it was just sexist incels attacking a poor woman. There are actually some pretty funny parallels between Vizie and Zoe Quinn, like the fact that they have restraining orders in each other because having both in the same city would actually cause it to sink into the Earth from their combined weight.
As fun as it is to see folks waking up to Viv being a petty as hell jerk, I do feel kinda sorry for Goose being stuck in the crossfires given their friendship is tight
Goose has a lot more respect and care about her audience trying to keep 'em in line (probably knowing how fricking rabid the Hazbin stans are), so it's probably tough as hell to reign 'em in during this ordeal
Goose and viv aren't really friends I don't think, goose did some work for her years ago and that's basically it.
All this weird warring between these fanbases is kinda funny because let’s be honest, this current-age YouTube indie scene as a whole has been pretty meh
IDC about her cartoon but I think she's kinda hot
Then go for Vivziepoop. She is single, I've heard.
I almost feel sorry for Vivziepop, she's made it clear that she's an immature womanchild who's still stuck in 2009, and can't take criticism.
But then she reveals how petty she really is, and that's when I loose all sympathy.
>women refuse to accept that there are consequences for their actions that they have to take responsibility for; tries to shame you for having any standards for them
A tale as old as pathetic b***hes like her itself.
I can't wait for her show to flop so we can be done with her.
>"You can't please everyone with your writing. I accept my style of humor isn't for everybody, and that's okay. But I am always open to criticism as long as it's constructive."
That's how you respond to people.
Not throw a defensive tantrum.
She is not open to any criticism though.
She doesn’t have to be, it’s her show and she can continue to be as unfunny as she wants, She just needs to get off twitter and stop being a terminally online c**t.
The problem isn’t lowbrow or crude humor, the problem is Vivzie Pop isn’t funny.
I hate this cope that everyone who finds the swearing and sex references obnoxious is just too prudish for her ultra edgy style of humor. Swearing is so commonplace now, maybe you’d elicit a reaction in the 1990s when soccer moms were a thing but no one is clutching their pearls over this shit.
Also imagine any of the people she named as inspirations constantly sperging out on twitter over viewers dunking on their show.
If there was ever a show more deserving of the word “safe edgy” it would be helluvaboss.
Can vivziepop not get off Twitter?, I don’t understand why she thinks it’s okay to continuously behave like this
Shes addicted to it
At this point people are more likely to stop watching hb because of how she acts than the degrading show quality