>You WILL give me two free slaves, a free ship, and a large soda in exchange for a stack of worthless Zimbabwe dollars
what was his fricking problem
>You WILL give me two free slaves, a free ship, and a large soda in exchange for a stack of worthless Zimbabwe dollars
it was a different time
The Jedi are kinda moronic
>we are peace keepers
>slaves allowed
>no I won’t save the mother slave or any other slaves
>we sure gonna make this boy to go through training
Being peace keepers means you have to allow what the present laws allow.
Just because you don't like slavery doesn't mean you can kill a slaver and take his slaves.
For the light side of force that’s pretty gray
No its not. Its literally the definition of Lawful Good.
No, that's Lawful Neutral. A Lawful Good character would take measures to legally free slaves or even abolish slavery, whereas a Lawful Neutral character wouldn't tske action at all because of the law and the law cannot be contested.
Lawful Good is still an unbelievably cucked alignment. Real heroes fall into Neutral Good or Chaotic Good because they won't let the law stop them from doing the right thing
Alignments are always fricking dumb. QuiGon was an outlier in the Jedi ways, but murdering some trader, taking his shit, and 'kidnapping' his slaves isn't something he's going to do.
Alignments should just be used as a guide rather than a hard set of rules.
>paladin kills man with cigar due to no smoking sign
>Neutral Good or Chaotic Good because they won't let the law stop them from doing the right thing
Based.
The problem is that George forgot that it was supposed to be primarily a kids movie. Moral greyness and trade disputes are great if he was making a different film entirely.
There's literally no moral greyness in TPM.
Oh right. Seperating a young slave boy from his mother and allowing her to work herself to death (presumably. I only consider the films canon so none of that EU bullshit plz) is so morally righteous. Even saving Anakin isn’t done out of the goodness of Qui-Gon’s heart. He only did it because he noticed the young boy had a dank midichlorian count. If it was just some regular kid that helped them he woulda been like “ok thanks now cya.”
She wasn't working her self to death though. WATTO WAS NOT A BAD PERSON. He treated Anakin and Shmi kindly and reasonably. They were happy before the Jedi ever showed up. Anakin got to build droids and pod race when expenses allowed and Shmi was healthy.
The only problems that happened was the Jedi not returning and retrieving Shmi to live as a free woman elsewhere and compensating Watto since Qui-gon, for real, cheated and bankrupted him for no reason.
>since Qui-gon, for real, cheated and bankrupted him for no reason.
Kek, is this actually what happens?
Yes and no. Qui-Gon put Anakin in the race which lead to Watto losing a bet with a bookie off screen in which he bet “everything” on Sebulba
Yes, Qui-gon wants to enter Anakin into a pod race to earn some money. Qui-gon says he will wager his space ship and a pod if watto will enter Anakin. And also says Watto can keep the winnings minus the hyperdrive parts for the ship, if they win. Watto is only in this deal in the first place because Qui-gon made a dice roll in his favor to win. And then Watto bets the farm against Anakin and loses it all (Since Anakin is a young human boy and aliens always win pod races).
>And then Watto bets the farm against Anakin and loses it all
At no point did Qui-Gon tell him to do this. Greed and lack of confidence in Anakin is why he lost all his money. It's not like QuiGon suckered him into a losing bet and profited from it.
Had Watto bet everything or even a minor sum on Anakin as a show of good faith in their arrangement he would have made more than enough to make up for the loss of one of his hands (Anakin). If he lost that bet, that means Anakin lost the race, and he gets a ship out of it.
Watto was given a win-win situation and he stupidly bets against himself.
Also the dice roll is explicitly for Anakin's freedom (well, technically ownership but it's assumed QuiGon is letting him go) vs his mother's. The only thing QuiGon did to 'cheat' was ensure the dice rolled on Anakin.
Owning another human being kinda does make you a bad person. He coulda paid Schmi a wage instead. He is the one choosing to keep her working for him in a place where she can never leave under threat of death (presumably). Watto kept slaves because it was economically practical, just because he threw the mum and her kid a few bones doesn't mean shit.
Yea you're right, he should have let them free to be captured by the hutts or raped by the sand peoples. Being attached to a master is the norm there so stop being a judgemental chud.
Doing something just because everyone else is doing it is not a moral defence. That’s an argument that children learn when they are about 5 years old.
Watto isn't a human being. He probably thinks of them as weird, talking animals.
If an animal could talk we would no longer think of it as an animal.
19th century enlightenment philosophy hadn't happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away; stop projecting your modern americuck ideals
Americans were among the last to end slavery in the west though, America has nothing to do with this
Second last, ahead of only Brazil.
Nice try but getting emotional at the mention of slavery is a modern american thing, other westerners don't care, and it's clearly due to their modern worship of joggers
Where do you get off deciding what George's movies were meant to be?
Lol. I know this is a joke but these are kids movies designed to sell toys. I know you knew that already though.
>Where do you get off deciding what George's movies were meant to be?
George Lucas himself literally said it's a kids movie.
He didn't forget, he bowed down to studio demands and tried to make the movie explicitly appeal to every age group, but it ends up being an incoherent mess.
> Studio demands
You mean LUCASfilm, Limited? George Lucas was basically barred from the Academy Awards because he used the massively unexpected success of Star Wars to start his own studio and work independently of Hollywood. They only ever got a distribution deal for the Original Trilogy.
That's why it was such a big deal when he sold the rights to Disney.
The media shot on these movies because they were the most financially successful independent films of all time and were produced entirely outside the Hollywood system. The media and critics work for studios and the studio heads told the media to smear the shit out of these films. Their plans worked and the media and critic smears eventually convinced Lucas to sell his baby to Disney.
The 'media' gave the prequels great reviews when they came out, small reviewers and regular people shat on them just like the sequels. When Ebert praised episode 3.
>studio demands
You might want to go read up on the history of Star Wars there, champ.
Kids love it though. It's only butthurt millenials that don't
thats gay frick you homo
But I thought the Jedi were a force for good not some neutral clan. They were supposed to be the good guys?
Their only purpose and reason for their existence was to negotiate trade disputes
That’s just rationalisation of the fact that the jedi’s definition of peace includes slavery.
The prequels are not kids movies, they are essentially a commentary of the OT, which was enjoyed by people of all ages. What you mean is that you were a kid when you got into star wars.
Cite one good act that the jedi as an organisation does, or a good act that a jedi does which the organisation approves of.
>The prequels are not kids movies
b8 post.
The Jedi rescues the Naboo.
>Laws = morality
I'm guessing you're a leftist
>leftist
Not him but I’m a lefty and what you said made no fricking sense moron.
>you have to allow what the present laws allow
The laws clearly didn't allow for stealing, which is what Qui-Gon was about to do if his Jedi mind trick had worked. If I use a magic trick to get you to say you want me to frick your face when you don't, thays still rape.
Isnt Tattooine a shit planet outside of the Republic's jurisdiction or something? Why would Qui Gon respect some literally who slaver who's operating outside of the central government's law in the first place?
>isn't Iran a shit country outside of the US' jurisdiction or something? why would a diplomat repect some literally who citizen who's operating outside of the central government's law in the first place?
> implying the Jedi didn't like slavery
they work for free
She was safe as a slave, she died after she was freed.
he did try to free anakin's mother too, but the antisemitic caricature only let him keep anakin
padme was a head of state surely she could just buy anakin's mother for a fraction of the cost one of her royal dresses cost, fricking moronic jedis and padme, darth vader did nothing wrong
>the leading story on HoloNet RNN, Republic News Network, the next week
>BREAKING NEWS, QUEEN OF NABOO ENGAGING IN SLAVE TRADING
it is not that hard using a proxy for shady deals, also she surelly could be socially forgibben if the transaction was to save a mother who help her survive and therefore indirectly help to save Naboo, she is a naboo hero
also the jedi order could do that too, they are into shady things all the time, put the mother into a nice cottage in a nice planet and be done
>BREAKING NEWS, QUEEN OF NABOO ENGAGING ON SLAVE TRADING AND HIDING THE EVIDENCE, DISCOVERED THROUGH RECORDINGS AT THE THEEDGATE HOTEL
>BREAKING NEWS THE SLAVE WAS A HERO OF THE NABOO NATION, A DEEP INTERVIEW WITH SHMI SKYWALKER AT 9:00 PM, THIS IS NABOO NEWS NETWORK
one of the points of both trilogies is that the Jedi are morons. in the prequels it's more obvious, with them meeting in an ivory tower and being so arrogant in their dogmatism that they don't notice their most lethal enemy right next door, tidily arranging their extinction. But in the OT, if you think about it, obi-wan and yoda have learned nothing, and their big genius plan is to turn luke into a weapon to kill his own father with, which would've failed and just left the emperor with a younger, stronger apprentice. it's only because luke ignores them that vader's redeemed and the galaxy is saved
They told luke what he needed to hear
>They told luke what he needed to hear
they lied to him a lot, for sure. But their whole plan was for Luke to kill Vader and the Emperor, and that wouldn't have worked. Obi-wan didn't believe Luke when Luke said there was still good in his father. And ultimately it was Luke's appeal to that goodness that saved the day, letting Vader redeem himself and kill the Emperor. If he'd killed Vader, he would've just ended up as the Emperor's new, younger and uncrippled apprentice
It actually kind of does rhyme, both Luke and Anakin realize the Jedi are wrong and disobey them. Luke disobeys them out of love for his father and saves the day, Anakin disobeys them out of fear of losing herschlag and dooms everyone
There's a lot of good shit like this in the prequels that just doesn't come through because they whiffed the execution so hard. It'd be interesting if lucas has a notebook stashed away somewhere that lists the five or so core themes he was trying to evoke.
I like these takes. Rian clearly caught on to some of this but his attempt in the Last Jedi was abysmal. It's unfortunate because if someone capable could have enlightened people these small intricacies in the prequels and OT, it could have made for a spectacular movie.
I think Rian is a pretty good director, Last Jedi was fricked by absolutely atrocious unfunny dialogue and having to both follow up from TFA and deliver a lede to the next film
Side effect of mainlining midichlorians
>midichlorians duke
>yes yes midichlorians
one drugs please
This is the point George was trying to make but people thought the jedi being hypocrite was bad writing. Mace windo telling anakin Sheev is too dangerous to be kept alive after sheev said the same about dooku. Is basically what sent Anakin right over the edge into becoming Darth Vader.
>It wasn't bad writing, it was the point
lol
sounds very accurate to real life peacekeepers
https://vocaroo.com/14venRNGDhmi
Nice
Hell yea
>https://vocaroo.com/14venRNGDhmi
perfect.
>big nose
>merchant
>slime bag
How did he get away with it?
>I am a gray jedi (I try to do pajeet tier scams and am lazy)
He was a thief
He basically airdropped into the middle of the Congo and offered to buy their lone village lawnmower engine for Australian Dollars.
US dollars is more accurate
Which begs the question of why the frick didn't Watto just take his money? It's not like they won't accept US dollars in the congo and Africa in general because the local currencies are so shit. The senate controlled like 90% of the galaxy, you'd think it would still be accepted as legal tender on the fringes of the republic.
Watto isn't gonna fly to Coruscant for Pancakes
Do you think some Black person from the Congo is going to travel to Africa for pancakes? No, the value of the currency is trading it to other people who travel around and interact with Americans
In most shitholes, USD is actually much more real and valuable than the local currency, which is unstable as frick and no one can say what its value will be in just a couple days. So most love the USD which has very stable value. Given this, the situation in the scene in question really makes no sense. Republic credits should be a much better currency than bantha foreskins or whatever moronic currency they're using out in podunk bumfrick dusty sandy middle eastern shithole planet #104.
They didn't say US dollars because they already use US dollars in the Congo.
According to google Congo uses "congolese francs".
US dollars would still go for way more than local currency in the Congo though. 1$ = 2,000 Congo Francs
There is no real situation I can think of where the currency of the stronger/more civilized power would be considered useless in a backwater shithole.
Yeah but US dollars are used alongside the local meme currency.
They literally swy “The Republic doesn’t exist out here” when Padme questions how slavery still exists. They use gold coins on Tattooine and not fake plastic backed by a government that doesn’t know or care about them because that’s what fellow traders accept
And you think the US exists in the Congo?
Yeah lol, you think Black folk are making any of the habitat for humanity shelters or 1980 Jeep Wranglers?
Those are private companies, often European too, not just American.
Take another example then, Zimbabwe. The US had no presence there because of sanctions and Zimbabwe has tried to drive out American influence there. But when the Zimbabwean dollar collapsed the people started using US dollars as currency because people knew it held value there.
>Try to give a Tuskan or Jawa credits
>One murders you and the other laughs at you
>Both want gold
This is why settlers there don’t use credits. After it becomes standard not to, why would anyone just start accepting them? Nobody from the planet is going to be leaving somewhere else and the only off world people are criminals who use the local currency because it’s valueless to them
>why would anyone just start accepting them?
Because the senate controls almost the entire galaxy and probably a lot of manufacturing and other goods and services. The currency would have a lot of value for that reason.
>Nobody from the planet is going to be leaving somewhere else
??? why?
People come and go all the time in Star Wars. Seems Tattooine must be pretty close to Alderon for them to fly there in the first place.
Tattoine and Alderaan are on completely opposite sides of the Galaxy. If you meant Naboo they are relatively close but they deliberately pilot the ship outside of republic airspace. Also no, people in star wars don’t just go wherever they want, main characters do. There’s a reason everyone on Tattoine looks like backwater peasants, and it isn’t because they have access to ships to fly off.
Oh yeah, I confused Naboo with Alderon
>If you meant Naboo they are relatively close but they deliberately pilot the ship outside of republic airspace.
So you'd think a planet right on the the border of republic airspace would be trading with the republic and someone there would accept republic credits.
Do you think US dollars aren't accepted along the Mexican side of the border? Especially for a large transaction such as this? Or you couldn't find a currency broker to exchange currencies?
>Also no, people in star wars don’t just go wherever they want, main characters do
But that's all you need, a few people on Tattooine who trade with the republic, who control 90% of the galaxy and are likely the economic and industrial backbone of it.
But they aren’t the financial backbone of Tattoine, the Hutts are. The Hutts don’t want to use credits because credits have value, whereas podunk currency does not. Therefore they can supply their workforce and the settlers required to service them for pennies on the dollar.
But are the Hutts controlling any trade between Tattooine and off world planets? I highly doubt it since Qui Gonn and the others were able to enter Tattooine without any kind of border crossing or inspection to worry about.
There's nothing stopping local traders from setting up trade with Republican planets. Since they likely control like 90% of industry across the galaxy you'd think you could make a tidy profit buying their goods to sell on Tattooine where you can undercut whatever locally produced shit is available for sale there. In that scenario, a local trader would absolutely need republic credits.
What stops local traders is that Republic traders don’t come anon
>reading comprehension
I'm talking about Tattooine traders going to a Republican world, buying superior goods at a cheaper price than you'd find on Tattooine, and going back to sell them.
If they have a ship of their own they would be able to set up shop on a much more profitable planet. The reason they are traders on Tattoine is that they don’t have an option to trade elsewhere
You're telling me every single person on Tattooine is stuck there without a ship? Like they can make elaborate pods for racing but nobody has or can build a ship? How did they even get there in the first place?
Hyperdrives are the expensive part of a ship. Heck a hyperdrive is the entire reason the second act of the movie occurs. I'm sure someone could build a ship without one but where the frick would they go?
>Hyperdrives are the expensive part of a ship. Heck a hyperdrive is the entire reason the second act of the movie occurs.
Uhh OK, how did these people get to Tattooine without a ship? How does nobody have a ship? Watto has a hyperdrive and he's just some bumfrick nobody parts dealer, idk if he has a ship himself as well but you'd definitely assume there are more wealthy people than him on Tattooine who have ships if he has a hyperdrive.
>I'm sure someone could build a ship without one but where the frick would they go?
Maybe this exactly fricking scenario I'm describing and the entire reason we're having this conversation in the first place?
Do you have the memory of a goldfish?
It's fair that the majority of people wouldn't have ships, but to say nobody has a ship is ridiculous. Especially when Watto has a hyperdrive in his shop clearly meant to service people with ships.
It takes hours moving at the speed of light to reach other star systems, you can’t get anywhere without a hyperdrive. That’s the entire reason they get stuck on the planet in the first place.
the state of your reading comprehension
You have a brain leak
Here, let me dumb it down for you
I understand that a ship without a hyperdrive is useless. But we know that Watto, some cheap nobody trader, has a hyperdrive.
And you're telling me nobody on the planet, with a bit more wealth than Watto, has a ship with a hyperdrive in it?
If not then why does Watto even have a hyperdrive in the first place? Who was he going to sell it to?
Weren't they just slumming it to try and stay low key? Walking up to the hutts like whaddap b***h I need a ship probably would have been a bad idea
aren't you a little stupid for a stormtrooper?
see
nah not falling for your flaccid strawmans tonight moron
total prequelgay brainrot on display here
you hate to see it
There would be some, but not enough to warrant a big market. The real problem isn’t the credits so much as exactly what you pointed out, why is Watto’s shop even profitable
>but not enough to warrant a big market
But you don't need a big market, you need one guy who's willing to exchange credits for money
You ever consider it's less "We can't find a ship" and more "We're trying to keep our heads down and just fix the ship we have instead of add another element to the equation"?
You involve another pirate or smuggler or heck anyone who knows what's going on on Naboo, you risk them betraying them for a nice reward. Watoo only knows there's some old butthole who needs a hyperdrive and he has a weird obsession with a little kid. He doesn't know where they're going, why they're there, or who's with them. I won't argue the movie gets more and more ridiculous and yeah Obi Wan absolutely should have split up with the credits, gone to Mos Eisley, and saw if he couldn't get a hyperdrive or a smaller ship or SOMETHING other than risking it all on a convoluted pod race scheme.
>You involve another pirate or smuggler or heck anyone who knows what's going on on Naboo, you risk them betraying them for a nice reward.
Uhh have you seen these Jedi's fighting abilities? They can frick up droid soldiers with ease, I don't think some local rejects who are apparently so ill-equipped that they can't even purchase a ship are going to give them trouble
>yeah Obi Wan absolutely should have split up with the credits, gone to Mos Eisley, and saw if he couldn't get a hyperdrive or a smaller ship or SOMETHING
My argument is Obi-Wan should've exchanged his credits with a local trader who did trade with the Republic
This other anon is arguing there isn't a single person who traded with the Republic on Tattooine (despite being right on the border of Republic space) because nobody on the planet has a ship.
>Uhh have you seen these Jedi's fighting abilities? They can frick up droid soldiers with ease, I don't think some local rejects who are apparently so ill-equipped that they can't even purchase a ship are going to give them trouble
You're using the other Anon's argument to discredit mine. I'm saying Obi and Qui considered this option (finding another ship or passage without fixing their own) and deemed it too dangerous. I don't think the other smugglers and pirates or heck even traders are ill-equipped. I think they pose an unnecessary risk.
Say the pilot betrays them, they wouldn't know this till they were back at Naboo. Sure they might kill the pilot and take the ship over but they barely got through the blockade the first time and that was with the element of surprise. A second run might end with them captured.
>My argument is Obi-Wan should've exchanged his credits with a local trader who did trade with the Republic
I don't disagree and Watto is dumb for not also considering this as an option after the fact. I seriously doubt he's never dealt with people with foreign currency before. Maybe the general issue is people on Tatooine mistrust people who use credits and he doesn't want to get blacklisted? Might be the same reason Obi wan couldn't get his currency exchanged, who knows.
>Say the pilot betrays them, they wouldn't know this till they were back at Naboo. Sure they might kill the pilot and take the ship over but they barely got through the blockade the first time and that was with the element of surprise. A second run might end with them captured.
Weren't they going to Coruscant?
>I think they pose an unnecessary risk.
Still a much better risk than betting your ship on the podracing abilities of a small child you've just met
>Maybe the general issue is people on Tatooine mistrust people who use credits and he doesn't want to get blacklisted?
Pretty dumb logic, money is money.
>Weren't they going to Coruscant?
Can you tell what direction you're going once you're in hyperspace? I'm saying they buy or barter passage off Tatooine to Coruscant and the pilot betrays them and takes them back to Naboo.
Oh, I see. Yeah I suppose that's an option.
>Still a much better risk than betting your ship on the podracing abilities of a small child you've just met
Sure but that's where the space magic comes into the plot
Money is money but maybe Watto thought he could get more money by not accepting credits or maybe he thought Qui-Gon has more money than he is offering because he has an exotic ship. Watto knows that hyperdrive parts are valuable and Qui-Gon clearly needs them. Watto seems to have a nice life and time is on his side. Maybe he thought that by being strict and just waiting for a while Qui-Gon would pay more but Qui-Gon made that pod racing bet which seemed sure win for Watto and he accepted it.
Yeah that’s basically the long and short of it. Star Wars isn’t super thought out. The original settlers were imported by colonization programs that dumped people there and said “good luck, we get paid by the ship load so we don’t really care if you make it or not” so there’s some resentment as well towards the Republic
It was also colonized multiple times and wiped out by storms and Tuskens accross history
Hutts have an entire empire that they trade within. They’re not part of the Republic, it’s an independent empire of thousands of worlds.
If you go to a random auto mechanic in Tijuana there's a decent chance they'll tell you you need pesos.
This is also why the Hutts get control of fringe space, they can buy locals with shit physical currency that has no real value, essentially getting workforces for free
The hutts and fringe space are the coolest parts of star wars lore and they get shit tier depictions and stories
Even if Tatooine isn't a part of the Republic, it would still have currency exchanges. Watson was just a lazy fatass
>The Republic doesn’t exist out here
That doesn't mean that Tatooine is formally not a part of the republic. In fact, it implies it formally is, but de facto lawless.
If someone says "the law doesn't exist out here", that likewise does not mean that the area is literally outside the bounds of the law. It's a figure of speech.
Earlier in the film they say "It's controlled by the Hutts." That implies the Hutts have some sort of formal oversight of the planet which may be recognized by treaty with the Republic.
Hutts, as we know from ROTJ, are basically feudal crime lords. You're assuming that the relationship is formalised, when the rest of the movie is saying "no".
The main characters initially try to do things by the book while laying low, e.g. trying to get in contact with people loyal/friendly to the republic, they try to use republic currency, and expect republican anti-slavery laws to be applied.
The fact that someone says "controlled by the hutts" is not an argument against Tatooine being in the republic, because there is an intentional ambiguity in the phrase (it would have been easy to just write "it's outside of the republic, in hutt space").
Tatooine being in the republic also just makes it a better movie, fitting with the Jedi's failings: they should be doing things like keep the peace in the republic, but evidently trade disputes is more important than freeing slaves and the breakdown of law and order in the peripheral (non-human) member states.
Also recall Maul, his character is defined by revenge against the Jedi. Revenge for what? In this reading, that revenge is specifically for the Jedi's failings and acts against non-humans.
>it would have been easy to just write "it's outside of the republic, in hutt space"
Lucas doesn't write lines like that, it sounds to Star Trek.
>Also recall Maul, his character is defined by revenge against the Jedi. Revenge for what? In this reading, that revenge is specifically for the Jedi's failings and acts against non-humans.
The Jedi have no problem with none humans. Maul hates the Jedi because he is a sith and it is sith dogma.
And before that he came from a tribe of witches that the Jedi would interpret as dark side users.
You are talking to a troll.
That's all Filoni retcons, Maul was intended to just be a Zabrak male who was identified by Palpatine and raised as his apprentice. There's a reason why Lucas put another one on the Jedi Council in TMP.
Yeah Filoni changed Maul's homeworld as well, he is a hack writing who never did anything good.
The Sith have been extinct for thousands of years at that point, they are a legend. What causes a young alien to fall into Sith teachings and tattoo himself to give him the appearance of a devil? Again, recall that TPM is littered with the human republicans, and the Jedi specifically, mistreat aliens both personally and systemically. If you watch it as a movie and not with the eyes of a fanboy or "canon" it goes:
>antagonist is mad at jedi, wants revenge for unspecified acts. What are the acts of the Jedi?
>Jedi mainly go around mistreating aliens and not doing stuff about slavery and galactic injustice
>therefore antagonist is mad at Jedi for that.
It's not hard.
>Reality
Ironic since literally nothing of that is actually in the movies, it's a retcon. It's actually a good example to the lengths fans will go to misunderstand what is blatantly on screen.
>can't argue, better dismiss it as a troll.
>feudal crime lords
Hutts are woefully misrepresented in Star Wars. They're stereotyped as criminals, but the reality is vastly different, nigh Hutt in proportion we can say. While their commercial activities are demonstrably at odds with Galactic Republic standards of legitimacy, none of their cultural imperatives or traits are in defiance of their own civilization's laws or mores. Within Hutt parameters their activities are not criminal but rather wholly legal and the pursuit of them is frequently laudable. Dismissing this as merely characteristic of criminality's rejection of social strictures is poor reasoning because, unlike examples of organized crime in Earth's past and present, the Hutts' ways predate the introduction of Republican laws criminalizing their deeds.
I posit that it is far more reasonable to see the Hutts as a parallel civilization of unadulterated capitalism existing within a racial and tribal hierarchy whose social order prioritizes dominance over other species. These species fulfill the function of servitude for a system which is built upon a precept not of the individual as a citizen but rather upon tribes and clans as the quantum unit of society. Insofar as the individual of subject species does exist for Hutts, it is not as a person entered into a social contract whose purpose is mutual or reciprocal. No, the individual in Hutt sociology is a unit of labor, bricks in a pyramid which exists to facilitate ascension of the Hutt species. We might not approve their civilization but we ought to appreciate it as a civilization, not dismiss it as a lawless underworld. Actually, in Hutt Space, "crime" is the lawful overworld.
REMINDER: The Republic, for all its claims to legitimacy as a “galactic” government (which really just means the Core, Inner Rim, and some Mid Rim in typically arrogant lack of concern for those beyond the civilised regions) fell apart over half a dozen times, lending blatant instability to their domain and their control and regulation of finance among the constituents of galactic banking and finance. Naturally the Republic currency is strong within the Core worlds, grown bloated and fatter than the most indolent Hutt, but their credit is only good while the underlying governmental system backing the currency remains stable. This is a laughable notion, given the clear evidence of multiple refoundings, reorganisations, reformations, and crisis events affecting the function of Republic space, and that is without mentioning the corrupt Banking Clan. As a result, we can say, confidently, that the disaster that is Republic crisis management clearly lends the Republic credit/datary an inherent instability.
But not all is lost. Unlike its significantly more volatile fellow, Huttbux are backed by the governing body of literally the oldest contiguous civilisation ever to exist within the confines of the galaxy, reigning unconquered in the realm of the Greater Bootana Hutta for, as of The Phantom Menace, over twenty-five thousand years (which is also longer, I might add, than even the oldest date of the Republic's founding), and doing so while exerting vast amounts of soft and hard power in their own territory as well as across the Outer Rim (and much of the Mid Rim as well). Truly, the Hutt peggat is more stable than land or even gold.
Watto wasn't being a dick when he denied Qui-Gon a trade in Republic credits. He was a prescient understander and investor in his financial security, knowing that the republic-of-the-day coins pushed by tourists cannot stand against currency that has maintained validity for a thousand generations without pause.
> I only accept X currency
>what if I give you Y currency, but triple?
>deal
Why would this not work? Qui gon didn't even try
Republic Credits are no good to me
>no good = none
>none = 0
>3 x 0 = 0
>no good
It's obvious he's either lazy or a fricking moron
>the currency of the biggest faction who has the biggest reach is no good
That's like going to mexico and a Mexican not accepting USD. Makes no sense
No, it'd be like an American spy trying to use dollars in Soviet Russia
It’s more like an American going to France than Mexico and being annoyed that you can’t use greenbacks when the local part shop only takes euros.
If I went to France and offered to pay triple the price for something but in usd you think they'd say no? I highly doubt it. If a Japanese dude wanted to buy my car for 3x it's value in yen I'd accept it easily
Do you have triple the money you need for what you’re after, though? Setting aside that in some parts of France I think they would say no out of spite anyway.
You might be right about the spite part. What I remember from the movie is they basically had unlimited money. They were escorting a queen of a planet so I'm assuming they had near unlimited funding. Qui gon probably could've made watts rich as frick if he wanted
They had 10k credits, but Obi-Wan mentions there’s nothing much on the ship they can trade with. And she was a queen in exile at that point, so she doesn’t actually have access to any of Naboo’s resources until and unless she is in Republic space, which they aren’t.
It isn’t France, it’s Tatooine. A planet ruled by a fricking gangster empire that competes with the republic. Are you really so moronic you can’t conceptualize a system different from the one you currently live in? People there don’t trade with the republic because the Hutts would kill them if they did. They don’t use Republic credits because the Hutts would kill then if they did.
Hutts wouldn’t necessarily kill them for trading with the Republic. But they would want their cut, like any other tariff or tax. They have rules and they enforce them, that’s why Watto trying to refuse to pay up for a lawful bet under Hutt society laws had Qui-Gon threaten to take the matter to the Hutt authorities.
That’s viewing them as a normal government. If there was any republic trading, they would control it, and let others in on it as they saw fit. The end result would again be no Republic credits on tatooine.
They basically are a government. Feudal clans sometimes warring with each other, mixed with economic activity is probably a good way of seeing it. The Hutt clans will also manage relationships, diplomacy, and economy/protection within their region of space, like during the Clone Wars when the Jedi and Seperatists both had to ask permission to move their fleets and ships around through Hutt-controlled regions, and also had to pay to do so. Or how there was a Hutt ambassador on Coruscant, and Hutts could have diplomatic immunity. I guess I personally see no reason not to call them a government, though not a normal one if normal means modern day democratic society.
I said they weren’t a normal government, not they weren’t any sort of government. Your reading comprehension is fricking abysmal. The point is that they are gangsters who control a planet, they aren’t going to be content to just tax people. They will control all the big schemes going on, and will make sure it always benefits them. Normal governments, from democracies to feudal monarchies largely let the population trade as they will with varying amounts of regulation. At the height of mafia control in Sicily, nothing happened without the say of the head families.
>Qui-Gon threaten to take the matter to the Hutt authorities
That's an interesting way to phrase "threatens to have Watto whacked by organised crime lords".
It's interesting that this EU-based insistence that Tatooine really isn't a part of the Republic and the Hutt empire is essentially a legitimate if alternate/libertarian capitalist system effectively functions to excuse Qui-gons crimes.
The Hutts are the authorities there. Whether Watto would be killed or not is unclear. He would almost certainly have been punished. That could have meant ending up as rancor bait, or he might have lost his shop and business, or who knows.
As to Tatooine not being part of the Republic, that’s in the movies. Republic organisations, like the Trade Federation, have no presence there. The Hutts control it, not the Republic. It is reconfirmed that the Republic doesn’t exist on Tatooine by multiple people. Padme goes on about anti-slavery laws like she thinks they should apply, but she is the equivalent of a naive 14 year old upper class white girl going to Afghanistan or Iran and complaining about laws against women.
See my earlier post
Tatooine not being in the republic is in the movies. What you have done here is mistaken the EU for the movies, a common error.
Padmé is also a queen and absurdly intelligent. She understands the concept of like, polities, sovereignty, and when laws apply. You're just trying to ignore evidence that doesn't fit into your interpretation by... i dunno, saying that sheltered teenagers are dumb? Like that's simply not who Padmé is; she even says outright in AOTC that she was forced to grow up too quickly because of her political ambitions.
I stated nothing about the EU and cited everything directly from the movie itself. Your post’s key argument is it “would have been better” meaning it’s your headcanon.
Then cite the specific scenes verbatim and let's talk about that. Show your work here.
You’re the one who used headcanon as an argument against, moron-kun. Burden of proof is on you.
No I'm serious anon, I know the scenes you're citing. I just want you to go to the effort of laying out what you wrote explicitly and clearly with no ambiguity or hypotheticals.
>As to Tatooine not being part of the Republic, that’s in the movies. Republic organisations, like the Trade Federation, have no presence there. The Hutts control it, not the Republic. It is reconfirmed that the Republic doesn’t exist on Tatooine by multiple people.
These are not arguments, you are not citing specific scenes because you are not being specific about what characters say and what you take away from their dialogue.
Your only real citation of a scene is one where a character disagrees with you, so you feel the need to say "shut up little girl", with no basis for doing so in the context of the movie.
>crime
It’s legal in Huttspace anon.
Hutt space is not a thing in the movies. Hutts are just crime lords. Your official fanfiction is completely irrelevant for an informed reading of the movies.
>hutts would kill them
Not true at all lol. I guarantee jaba would accept republic credits
Jabba would accept them, then kill you for running a side hustle on his planet without his permission.
The Republic currency was in a bad state or could be ceased by the Republic. This is like demanding gold over dollars (which is what Charles de Gaulle did after the war)
Because it was fiat currency, not gold.
Even the intergalactic israelite understands that precious metals are real money.
If Jedi had any brain activity they wouldn't be going around the galaxy trying to pay in paper money and would instead use precious metals to barter in backwards shitpits that haven't embraced the petrodollar.
>The senate controlled like 90% of the galaxy
At the absolute height of the Galactic Empire, which “controlled” far more than the Republic ever did, it had approximately 2/3 the galaxy, half of it is labelled Unknown Regions or Wild Space. On top of that, the Outer Rim was barely under Imperial control and hardly counts, Hutt Space and the Hapan Confederacy were functionally independent and literally independent respectively (and there are also very large powers within the Unknown Regions such as the Chris’s Ascendancy), and that doesn’t even get into the two satellite galaxies.
The Republic, and thus the Senate, could charitably be said to control about 33% of the galaxy firmly, and another 10-15% they have influence in.
90% is a fricking laughable pipe dream.
What happens here
The interesting thing about that map is how the core of what the Hutts control is way to the north of Tatooine, but the Hutts exert far more power and control over Tatooine than the Republic does. The Republic looks to be the Core, Colonies, Inner, Expansion(?), and Naboo is Mid-Rim (off to the west of Tatooine). It really does say that the Hutts have comparable power to the Republic. More on Tatooine certainly.
>Rakata Prime
we need to go back
It is clear that people here have never lived under a warlordship.
what makes you think australia is capable of airdopping anyone anywhere? jesus christ
Never said the airdropper was an Aussie.
The key to immortality is to become a liar and a cheat. This is why Yoda becomes a thieving space goblin and Obi Wan lies to Luke about his father and sister.
How is it that love and marriage leads to the dark side while lying and cheating doesn't?
I guess love = loss but yeah it’s kinda of dumb.
The Jedi are like DEA
>The key to immortality is to become a liar and a cheat
based. I run a Saturnian sex cult and this is a point we drive home sexually
A pox upon you, demon.
Frick you, Abr*hamic c**t
If you kinda think about it , if the force didn’t exist it all like 99 percent of the series problems would be solved
>You WILL redeem the bloody google play card ben chod bastard flying sir
Anti-semitism.
>"Can you show me this thing in the back room?"
>*voom voop vop vorp*
>"Good news Anakin, I've negotiated your and your mother's freedom. Grab the part and let's leave."
And just like that Qui-gon was expelled from the Jedi.
How would anyone find out? No one would give a shit anyway even if they did, I'm sure random junk peddlers get killed all the time out there.
>How would anyone find out?
The Force?
>I sense a disturbance in the force... a slimy flying blue israelite was just killed billions of lightyears away on an irrelevant planet...
You serious, homie?
Yes. Jedi Masters are not supposed to go around killing people because they disagree with the laws there.
So the Jedi can sense every random homosexual in the universe who dies? Jeez that must suck. There's presumably hundreds of trillions of sentient lifeforms in their galaxy so it must be a constant annoyance. Or can they also sense all the animals that get killed too? How about insects? If I slap a fly, does Yoda sense that a life form has just been exterminated and hold his hand over his heart in anguish? Are the Jedi allowed to slap flies?
>So the Jedi can sense every random homosexual in the universe who dies?
No but they are gonna sense that Qui-gon has done something bad the next time they see him.
>Sense anguish in you, we do, Master Qui'Gon. Tell us what you did, you will.
>Well, when I was on Tatooine I... I had to wipe my ass with my hand because they were so backward they didn't have toilet paper. I still feel ashamed when I think of that awful place...
Wow that was hard to get out of.
Yes and Yoda is certainly not going to be able to tell he lied.
Yoda couldn't tell Palpatine was evil, that crusty old booger was fricking useless in these films and couldn't sense a turd coming out if his own ass.
I'd doubt that just because nobody knew about Anakin killing the Tuskan Raiders in episode 2, even though he went full dark side and was wracked with guilt afterwards. They didn't sense the killing and they didn't sense his emotions.
I'm pretty sure they did. Why do you think they never trusted him or gave him rank?
He was impulsive and his rank was being dictated by Palpatine. They didn't like that they were being forced to put him on the council by somebody else, so they used what little control they had over the situation to deny him the title of master.
Aren't you saying the Jedi Order would've booted Qui Gonn out of the order if they knew he killed Watto?
So if Anakin kills an entire tribe out of rage all he gets is the cold shoulder?
Anakin had the backing of Palpatine.
The Jedi already didn't like Qui-gon.
Lol what?
Palpatine had the backing of a sith lord, so the Jedi didn't boot him out? Where is the logic there
Literally moronic.
You are arguing that Qui-gon being dark side, randomly killing merchants and no one is gonna find out.
Anakin literally did this and wasn't caught
So where's the difference?
Plot armor is the difference.
Also Anakin is evil and Qui-gon isn't.
My guy there is a whole scene of Yoda having a vision of Anakin killing the Tuscan Raiders in the movie where he says “Skywalker is in pain”. Clearly they don’t actually care
Palpatine was the Supreme Chancellor and technically their boss. It was a grey area on whether he could specifically force them to promote Anakin to Master or not, so they dug their heals in and said no.
It's kind of like how the President couldn't officially make someone a Medical Doctor.
Because he was 23 years old and way too good at killing
I think that's because Anakin was wiggy with his force powers being the Chosen One, plus he has been all anguished and tumultuous since like day 1 because he missed his Mom.
Plus, they knew his Mom just died so they probably figured it was that.
There's also the fact that Sidius had been clouding they're abilities using the Dark Side (Yoda says this at the beginning of either Episode 2 or 3.)
Isn't that what they do to the trade federation, sith, and CIS?
I don't think Jedi follow the conservative martyr tactic of shaming their enemy for killing them and hoping their passive acceptance of sith values will result in the sith suddenly seeing the error of their ways
>australia can't airdrop anyone anywhere
>yes they can
>proofs?
>YES THEY CAN
They have Globemaster’s man, combine that with their aerial refuelling aircraft and I think they have a solid airdrop capability.
And I’ve realised that I responded to the wrong person, dam my rampant alcoholism
Can someone actually in a coherent way explain the terms of their deal.
It all makes no damn sense.
i speak caveman let me translate
>ooga booga ship
>ahhhhhhhh nooooobian.... booga... weesa ooga BOOGA booga
>ooga booga zimbabwe booga
>oooga booga sebulba
>ooooh
I don't know, I haven't watched the film in 20 years and won't be doing so anytime soon.
Qui-gon lacks local currency, so he can’t buy the part he needs. He instead makes a bet with Watto that Anakin will win the podrace. If Anakin wins, Qui-gon gets the part. If Anakin loses, Watto receives his ship. They then double down on the bet, Watto bets that Sebulba will win. If Sebulba wins, Qui-Go gives Watto Anakin’s pod racer. if Sebulba does bot win, Anakin is set free.
Isn't Anakin's pod racer technically Watto's anyway? Since he's, you know, a slave?
It is, but Watto didn’t know Anakin built it and Qui-Gon lies that he acquired it “by chance”
Fair enough
If I remember it correctly, Anakin built it in secret and Qui-gonn claimed it was his.
Oh they also agree to split any winnings Anakin makes 50/50 since he is Watto’s property but Qui-gon is fronting the pod
Qui-Gon bets Amidala's ship, not just the pod racer.
>big race with big bets, controlled by the Hutts
>Oi Watto m8 I bet my current ship that Anakin will win the race, and if he does then you give me the parts we need and Anakin's freedom
>Anakin wins the race
>they get their parts and Anakin is freed
>they also sell his pod for big bucks
Here you go
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posting incoherent blabber of your favorite youtube is not an argument
>hey anakin watch this
>mindfricks boss nass into giving him a ship
qui gon was based
>Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Review (Part 5 of 7) (embed)
>should we free his mother
>nah, she'll be fine
>the boy would be certainly less afraid if we brought her here, to some safer place
>lol, who cares, what can go wrong?
>TPM
>credits are no good on tattooine
>30 years later
>han accepts credits to take ben and luke to alderan
explain this lorechuds
>Yidsneed flicks
>canon
That's the original movie.
You caught me. I was pretending to have watched these films.
Han's not native to Tattooine. He's a smuggler who just happened to be there. He'd have lots of use for credits.
So why didn't Qui Gonn look for another smuggler or currency broker to exchange credits with local currency?
Because Lucas had the forethought to know that watching the cast in line at a bank to exchange credits wouldn’t be interesting to watch. If only he had that same thought in other places.
>glaring plot hole exists because.... it would look silly to point it out lol
There's actually a very good chance they'd accept US dollars right on the border.
>Probably would have taken too long.
So instead does this extremely long and convoluted pod race?
>The city was full of outer rim guys who'd come to see the race, so finding someone who actually wanted credits would have been hard.
Literally all you need to do is go to a market and say "does anyone want to exchange galactic credits for the local currency? I'll give you a 20% premium on the exchange rate" and people would come flocking
>I don't think Lucas thought that much about it, though. The whole setup is just an excuse to have the pod race.
Exactly my point
Probably would have taken too long. The city was full of outer rim guys who'd come to see the race, so finding someone who actually wanted credits would have been hard.
I don't think Lucas thought that much about it, though. The whole setup is just an excuse to have the pod race.
The main reason they’re there is to hide, some outsider rolling up and exchanging ten thousand dollars would be noted. In most countries on Earth if you have that much money with you you’re required to declare it, and they explicitly tried to stay low profile, they didn’t even land at the spaceport but stayed way out in the desert.
The force was guiding him towards Anakin
I don't understand why Qui Gonn didn't just threaten or kill everyone and take what he needed. At least he represents the law here. Instead he decided to... steal first? And then risk the life of a child? To stay "gray"?
Qui-Gon on Tatooine is equal to a glowie in Iran. His badge doesn’t mean shit.
But his lightsaber means something.
>I don't understand why Qui Gonn didn't just threaten or kill everyone and take what he needed
Because you are very dumb and forgot that they're trying to lay low and not draw attention to themselves.
Han isn’t a Tattoine local and it’s 30 years later, when the Hutts massively increased their power over fringe space. The Empire allowed criminal syndicates to thrive since they had to focus so much attention inward quelling dissent.
Things change in 30 years.
In the Prequels there are three governments: The democratic Republic which is technically in charge of the entire galaxy, the Separatists who control a variety of outer rim planets and are gradually seceding from the Republic but being stayed by negotiations and the threat of force, and the Techno Union Empire who exist as a begrudged island onto themselves since they own the monopoly on most of the military weapons and all of the droids.
When Palpatine takes over he crushes everyone and unifies the galaxy under a One World Government/Empire and runs it as fascism, killing anyone who goes to far out of line.
Also, Han travels a lot and would have a need for credits, unlike someone who spends most of their time on Tattoine or the Outer Rim
-Han travels the galaxy, he has more use for them
-Hutts have a better arrangement with the Empire than they did with the Republic
-Imperial credits are worth more at the time of ANH than Republic credits were at the time of TPM (stronger economy under the Empire and the corrupt corporate entities of the former CIS no longer exist)
Han is smarter than Watto because he knows what a currency exchange is
Han regularly travels across the galaxy, either Imperial credits or Hutt peggats, which are the currency on Hutt worlds, would be fine to him.
the prequels sucked, you guys are r*ddit-tier plebs
>audience self-inserts are self-righteous buttholes who screw people over constantly but it's all justified because they're sekretly fighting for something more important
I think if there was a genuinely good protagonist people would hate them
People did hate Rey
Why didn't Qui Gon just try his tricks on a different species to pay Watto?
would've been funny
>qui-gon disappears then returns with a bag full of coins
>he pays Watto
>Obi-wan looking incredulous asks how he did it
>"You DON'T want to know"
Obi wan was too busy being a non character at this point
kek
move was on cooldown
Because tricking ~~*Watto*~~ was morally correct. Tricking innocents was not
True he’s transphobic given the irl parallels
I love how the only aliens immune from mind frickery are the ones modelled on israeli stereotypes.
Jedi mind tricks don’t work on certain races. This was explained in return of the Jedi.
if that nu-disney shit were true the empire would exclusively employ stormtroopers of that species
Uhh anon? Return of the Jedi is OT
The Jedi are extinct except for Obi-Wan and Yoda who are exiled hermits. Why would they give that much of a shit?
The Empire doesn't like most aliens.
>"Republic credits are no good here. "
>Okay excuse me my good man let me just go to this other junk dealer who isn't a flying blue israelite
>*waves hand*
>"You will exchange my Republican credits for local credits"
>Returns to watto
>"One hyper drive please, Oh and how much for that slave, my handmaiden is fricking sopping wet just looking at him"
This is a shill or a bit thread. Or op is an autist . You already did this one. Stop with the reruns
>1 large soda for the 7 of them
buttholes
wtf dude.
Oy veyyyy
Remove that wtf
Qui-gon’s modus operandi is to ally himself with the biggest fish around and use their power to beat down others.
But there’s always a bigger fish, as Watto discovers when Qui-gon threatens to have him murdered by the hutts
Ackshually if you take expanded universe to be canon, Qui-Gon usually allies himself with scoundrels and lowlifes for access to information.
Seems to me the EU usually takes like one or two moments a character does in these movies and creates an elaborate backstory surrounding them.
Doesn't help that the movie characters are always incredibly one dimensional.
The expanded universe is a completely different narrative compared to the movies.
Bad writing, something you can overlook with good characters and pacing, which this movie lacked as well.
There's probably a billion different ways this movie could have been done better. Qui Con should have been a complete bad ass, but him and Obi get separated as the start at which point it makes more sense that the inexperienced Jedi struggles looking after a child candidate. Darth beats Obi initially, later Qui Con dominates in a fight but has to sacrifice himself to save someone, Obi manages to overcome Darth in the end.
What if the Slaves in the starwars universe actually liked being slaves? Think about that?
What is the species is subserviently biologically and exists only to serve, and if they weren't serving they were in extreme pain?
Makes sense for why Anakin went psycho the second he stopped being a slave.
>you'll never have a twi lek for your own
>Free food
>Free board
>Get to make robots and shit in your free time
>Get to work on your custom pod racer
>Get to race in it too
Sounds pretty good tbh
It would've been better if they didn't have any money at all.
Why was Greedo immune to the force?
truly i am in hell and i deserve it
NUBIAN?
Why would republic credits have no use on a planet full of criminals looking to clean their money?
there's no need for money laundering if the entire planet (Tatooine), system (Tatooine) and sovereign nation (Hutt Space) is controlled by the criminal element (The Hutt Cartel is the legitimate government)
So it's practically the Russia?
Or China.
At least Watto would have let Annie frick. Jedi order is sanctioned slavery
Rhodesian*
>you still have much to learn, Obi-Wan
>one day later
>I'll take Anakin as my apprentice, there is nothing more I can teach Obi-Wan lmao
Qui-Gon was kind of a dick.
>You almost got us killed, are you brainless?
>I speak.
>The ability to speak does not make you intelligent, now get out of here.
>No, no. I'll stay. I'm called Jar-Jar Binks, I am your humble servant.
>That won't be necessary.
>But it is, it is demanded by the gods!
>You saved me again!
>What's this?
>A local...
Yeah both Obi-wan and Qui-gon are total dickbags.
He was Australian
This is actually a great scene. It directly addresses midwits who would ask questions like "Why didn't Qui-Gon just Mind Control the junk dealer for the parts?" In fact, it plays into a larger theme of Jedi failing when attempting to be pragmatic, like Mace trying to kill Palpatine or Luke killing Ben.
> The Jedi use the Force to rob merchants
But they didn't, The Force didn't let him.
My point is that the Jedi wasn't embarrassed to rob the merchant. He was just trying to do it like he had done millions of times before. No wonder why the little people don't like Jedi and no wonder the Republic fell apart because of the civil war.
You're not wrong. Look at the initial scenes of the movie, the Jedi were going to compel the Trade Federation with threat of injury to stop their blockade. They just go in and strong-arm anyone and until Palpatine grew his army nobody had a force large enough to stop them. Only impossibly expensive boutique curiosities like the Destroyer Droids give them any challenge, and even those could have been defeated with enough time/coordination.
No he did. Qui-gon used the force to cheat at dice with Watto.
The dice roll was to see what slave he gets and its heavily implied that Watto's dice was loaded.
Maybe, maybe not. The point is that Qui-gon explicitly cheats.
This is more significant for him because he claims that there are no coincidences and it's all the will of the force. So then, if we take his idea seriously, he subverts the will of the force, (which then also guided the actions of Watto).
If he had true belief, he would have realised that the will of the force was to have Anakin remain on Tatooine. But instead he has a banal, fundamentalist, view that he is the only person that can directly interpret the will of God, and sees everything he does as expressions of God's will.
-That- is the philosophical failing of him cheating at dice.
why are postmodern pseuds so determined to take down these movies?
Jedi are fricking hobo grifters.
>me daria dos botellas de Aquafina con hielo, un Whopper (tm) cin cebolla (onions alergico), una foto de los pies de Kristen Stewart y algo de privacidad por favor...
>Kristen Stewart
gross
you could at least pick good ones like Taylor Swift or Victoria Justice
*cheats and lies constantly*
*mindrapes lesser species*
*leaves anakins mom in slavery*
HEY JEDI MASTERS CHECK OUT THIS KID I FOUND YOU SHOULD TRAIN HIM
*dies*
Why did anyone listen to this fraudster?
>israelite goblin can't be mind tricked
Uh, George?
They never forgave him for that. Only God knows what he went through and what it cost him (everything).
>Space israelites