>You will go to the Dagobah system.
>There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me.
Why not introduce him to ghost Qui-Gon, the Jedi Master who instructed him?
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>You will go to the Dagobah system. >There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me.
Georgey boy didn't think of him yet
Only jedi masters can communicate with force ghosts.
Then how was Luke communicating with Obiwan
If Anakin was a master in the prequels why did he never confer with Qui gon or any other notable jedi ghost
>If Anakin was a master in the prequels why did he never confer with Qui gon or any other notable jedi ghost
According to Yoda in the prequels it's QiGon who discovered the force ghost thing, and for all we know he only told the secret to Yoda.
He then told Obi Wan
Wouldn’t be surprised
>The Joker Jedis meet
>We live in a Galaxy!
>Guy kills a bunch of Tusken Raiders, and no one bats an eye. Kill younglings and everyone loses their minds!
Qui-Gon was always kind of prick, he didn't want to share eternity with randos, only his homies. He knew that his homosexual padawan would spill though, so he waited until Obi-Wan exiled himself to the middle of bumfrick nowheristan.
>Luke, use The Force and run. Run to Dagobah, run to Dagobah
IT'S NOT THE WEST SIDE OR THE EAST SIDE
NO ITS NOT
Yoda taught him a few things too, plus Qui Gon is dead
LUKE USE THE FORCE CONDOMS
WE GOT DEATH STAR
>>You will go to the Dagobah system.
>>With your sister. Yes...Leia, Luke!
she will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who kind of instructed me.
>>Leia is the key to all of this Luke.
Because Yoda was alive, moron
What's the difference between Life and Force Ghosting?
Could you learn the intricacies of playing a sport at a pro-level over Skype?
Maybe, I'm not an athlete. Very different contexts anyway. Sports are specifically physical, whereas The Force is meant to be more about knowledge and the mind to potentially be used to affect the physical.
I mean Yoda doesn't jerk off Luke to teach him how to lift a rock, he just talks to him. Why can't he talk to him over his phone?
Look at that Qui-Gon. It's clear the only thing he cares about now is securing enough beer for the prime time game.
Yoda could use the Force as a ghost, but he wasn't dead enough for Ghost Yoda to teach that technique to Ghost Qui-Gon.
Star wars lore was made up movie by movie, people b***h about the sequel trilogy for that but it's a long standing tradition and that's was the minor of its problem.
This, when Yoda says "No, there is another", we didn't know about Leia yet. He was referring to Ahsoka.
Qui-Gon didn't exist yet. In fact, he didn't exist until later drafts of TPM. Obi-Wan was supposed to be alone and in his 40's in TPM. But obi was such a boring character, that Lucas had to split him in two and give him a master.
>Two boring characters are better than one!
Now obi wan is boring and a whiny c**t at that!
>Luke...
>you're a failure Luke...
>Take your sister to dagobah, Luke...
>Leia, she's the true hero of this story, Luke...
>One day, you're going to be a bitter old man drinking blue titty milk, Luke....
>It's your sister who becomes the hope of the galaxy, fighting your nefew, Luke...
>You're sole purpose is to help the strong females realise how pathetic you are, Luke...
>Yoda will only mock you if you try to train with him, Luke....
>I trained your sister 10 years before you, Luke...
>You were just a scared, useless child, Luke...
>She was a strong young lady who was a prodigy with everything from statehood to technology, Luke...
>We made her a princess and made you a dirt farmer, Luke...
>You are nothing, you mean nothing, your story amounts to nothing, Luke...
>You're not even the only Jedi, Luke...
>There's like.... what? 5 other Surviving Jedi in the galaxy, Luke...
>I could replace you with Ahsoka, Ezra, Kal Kestis, Quinlan, Reva at the drop of a hat, Luke...
>Any one of these characters could annihilate you in single combat, Luke...
>You are the dumbest, most stupidest out of them, Luke....
>and you're a good friend
>Ahsoka, Ezra, Kal Kestis, Quinlan, Reva
Literally have all gotten bodied by Vader at one point or another save for maybe Quinlan
Yeah but what if they coordinated their attack?
So did Luke in ESB.
It was only after Luke completed his training during the time jump between ESB and RotJ that Luke could beat Vader.
Besides, Vader was emotionally compromised, fighting Luke. Something he wasn't fighting everyone else.
I wouldn't be surprised if in Disney canon, Luke gets trained by all the surviving Jedi during that time jump, also.
Vader's eternal weakness as a Sith wasn't his compromised body. Even as a corpse in a tin can, he was more than a match for most Jedi.
His weakness was his attachment. He never truly let go of that, or at least he didn't manage to do it with Luke. When Vader fights someone like Luke or Ahsoka, he's really fighting himself.
Yep.
The only reason Luke beat Vader was because Luke's mere existence made Vader fight himself.
Even Ahsoka had this effect on Vader, but it wasn't enough for him to falter.
Luke made Vader fight Padme internally. That broke him.
You sure about that? I mean, the guy never showed any emotional weakness in regards to family. He was willing to corrupt Leia. Never questioned The Emperor. Vader doesn't really lose until Luke offers himself as a sacrifice in exchange for Vader's life. Doesn't really have anything to do with their genetic relationship.
tl;dr If Vader was as emotionally fragile as is claimed, why is it never shown onscreen? Pretty sure this
is the only proper answer to most of these films, particularly RotJ.
George can claim what he wants about having drafts and story outlines for decades, the evidence (or lack of) is on the screen, or in this case absent from the screen.
Disregarding the fact that he does that a lot of outside work, even if we go by the movies alone, it's clear that he's torn on the matter of his family. He practically begs Luke to join him in ESB because he doesn't want to destroy him. He knows it's not the Sith way, but he still refuses to kill his son.
in outside work* (i'm talking about the expanded material)
>Pretty sure this
is the only proper answer
well no shit.
Ultimately, George is a moron who doesn't know shit about star wars.
>Gungas
That doesn't change how well the redemption of Vader meshes with the Tragedy of Anakin.
When RotJ came out, Vader was Luke's father. This wasn't the case before ESB. Geroge just decided it'd be a good idea.
When Luke redeemed Vader it was solely about their familial connection.
>Vader won't kill his son
After the prequels came and went, however, the redemption of Vader became more fleshed out.
Now it was no longer just about Luke being Vader's son.
Vader was obsessed with Padme from childhood to death.
Padme was *the* thread that maintained Vader's attachment to Anakin.
Luke redeemed Vader not only because he is his son, but because he is a direct connection to Padme.
This is a perfect example of new narratives adding context and fleshing out older narratives.
No shit George had no idea who Padme even was when he was drafting ANH. That doesn't take anything away from how well the different narratives meshed after the saga was done.
This is a stark contrast to how Disney's narrative is actively undoing older narrative's and taking away from them by adding plot holes and stories that are so important that they would have been mentioned by older characters during the OT. Naturally, because these stories didn't exist during the OT, they weren't mentioned.
The writers need to account for this. If the OT doesn't account for the stories they want to tell, then they should restrain themselves and not tell those stories because of the negative impact their new narrative would add to the older story.
Also, Vader didn't know Leia was his daughter until he searched Luke's mind during their final duel.
So your point about him not corrupting Leia is moot.
That's my point yeah. Even Kenobi kind of acknowledged this with Sheev's little pep talk on Vader being too attached in the end.
The way you become a force ghost is simply by dying in front of Luke. This is why Obi Wan just threw his fight against Vader. Then he told Luke to go to Yoda since Yoda was old. Isn't it weird how Obi Wan and Yoda tell Luke that if he goes to Bespin he'll destroy everything his friends fought for? Yet this never happens! They're bullshitting him so Yoda can die in front of Luke and become a ghost. Then in Return of the Jedi, the Emperor just straight-up tells Luke to kill him so he can become a ghost too, but when he refuses he tries to kill him out of rage. Vader doesn't want to miss out on the chance to become a ghost, so he throws Emperor down the generator shaft and conveniently dies in front of Luke, becoming a ghost.
Explain how qui-gon becomes a force ghost.
He got gutted infront of Obi-Wan, so he becomes an Obi-Wan force ghost
It was the Will of the Force
Luke time travelled back and watched from the shadows as you will see in Star Wars: Trippin' Through Time only on Disney+
Kek
Well, you got me.
what the frick is this nonsense why does it make sense
Badass
Why is there a Dark Side of the Force?
>why are there people who get run over by cars despite them being designed for transportation
So the dark side is an accident?
>Sorry for raping yer mum, Ani. It was an accident, honestly.
>Yours truly, Sand People
deleted scene, George thought it would be too much
You just know the Jedi force ghosts are peeping on girls in the shower
Why wasn't Anakin's ghost in the ST? Where did he go?
he was hanging out with Ahsoka
I wonder if Padme's looking down from heaven on those two banging in force ghost heaven and seething
Padme was not force sensitive, so she just disappeared. Only Force people go into heaven.
She's in non-jedi heaven watching them in jedi heaven
That isn't true.
Everyone is connected to the force.
Jedi and Sith are just aware, or sensitive, of their connection to the force.
Everyone returns to the force when they die.
So even Padme would reside in the netherworld of the force after death.
There's actually a really good plot device here that would have explained how Han could appear to Kylo, but they just sort of ham fisted him in there being a weird manipulation by Leia.
That's not how it works. Luke should have escorted Han to the living world. That would have made sense.
Until they explain how Anakin learned how to force ghost, the explanation of how he was able to appear to Luke at the end of RotJ is that he was escorted by Yoda and Obi Wan from the netherworld of the force.
>how Han could appear to Kylo
wasn't it literally explained in the movie?
it was just his memory
Kylo basically forgave himself
it wasn't actually Han
It was Leia that projected a memory of Han or something, idk. The sequels are trash and my knowledge of lore matches my interest in the material.
Either way, it was fricking stupid and could have been done better. But like the money grubbing israelite hacks they are, yidsney ignored the established canon and mechanics set up by the previous films, books and media.
It could have been a tender moment between Han, Luke and Leia bringing Ben back to the light. But it wasn't.