I think it's enjoyable for what it is, regardless of that fact that it's cobbled together from re-used animation. Also, great music in that flick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLhYSw67pdg
Yes. Modern Furries date back to around the 70's/80's comics/anime/sci-fi fandoms.
While the idea of anthropomorphic animals goes way back in (pre)history, Furry culture is entirely a 20th century invention. Can you find a medieval account of people who dress up as animals (for non-theatrical purposes)?
I remember it being pretty good.
I haven't watched it in a long time, though.
>Was it really the birth of furry culture?
It was probably a whole bunch of the cartoons, along with people just growing up. Drawing people is hard (see: Popeye-era cartoons) and so you got a lot of studios that were drawing animal characters, like Bugs Bunny or the fox Robin Hood. Then these people grew up, had some sexual fantasies about what the watched during childhood. The biggest difference is that it was about Maid Marian this time rather than Betty Boop or Elizabeth Taylor.
It became a subculture when people started communicating and gathering together about it. Blame the internet for letting them actually connect and communicate, although apparently they were doing that at conventions a bit earlier.
>What about stuff like ancient Egyptian art showing people dressing up as dogs, cats and birds?
People did that. Probably even fetishized that. But when it's just one dude jerking off to carved wooden cat figured in his cellar, then it doesn't mean much because nobody is getting together in a group to say about how normal it is.
That might be the first official "furry" convention, but the community would gather at normal animation conventions before that. Fritz the Cat was from 1965-1972 (with the movie on the final year) and it was certainly inspired by these furry meetups, not one of the first.
I remember that they were called "funny animal cartoons" back then, and there was a big debate in the cartoon community about if people really should be publicly sexualizing them. I don't quite remember when they really started becoming a popular "thing" but it was certainly the mid- to early-1900s.
>big debate in the cartoon community about if people really should be publicly sexualizing them
You know it's funny. I remember the furry fandom of the 90s, and how it was slightly less degenerate than it later became. There was plenty of sexy stuff, to be sure, but a lot of it was no worse than what you'd see on children's television of the 80s and 90s. Of course the extreme hardcore stuff was around too, but was often tucked into it's own categories, and people actually argued about the direction the fandom was heading in.
Once the early 2000s hit, though, the pornographers overran the fandom, and it became much more of a sexual thing. That's when the hatred of furries really picked up steam, too.
Well, that's how I remember it happening. Might have just been my perception of events, though.
>big debate in the cartoon community about if people really should be publicly sexualizing them
You know it's funny. I remember the furry fandom of the 90s, and how it was slightly less degenerate than it later became. There was plenty of sexy stuff, to be sure, but a lot of it was no worse than what you'd see on children's television of the 80s and 90s. Of course the extreme hardcore stuff was around too, but was often tucked into it's own categories, and people actually argued about the direction the fandom was heading in.
Once the early 2000s hit, though, the pornographers overran the fandom, and it became much more of a sexual thing. That's when the hatred of furries really picked up steam, too.
Well, that's how I remember it happening. Might have just been my perception of events, though.
Where does TMNT stand in the fandom sphere apart from the Ninjara stuff?
Significantly less overlap than, say MLP. I think it might be because the turtles themselves are very goofy in their designs, so they don't get sexualized as much.
I'm a delivery driver, and some people are so rich they forget what they even bought, and this is things like multiple hundreds of pounds or thousands of pounds worth of furniture. They obviously have too much money.
I am personally a fan of this storyboard frame from the cut ending where prince John comes to stab the injured and defenseless Robin to death in his sleep (and is obviously foiled but they really should've included it in the film).
Because they were on a budget and had a lot of leftover furry material from other movies they had made like The Jungle Book, as well as movies they had been planning to make but ultimately didn’t like Chanticleer or Renaud the Fox. And they decided to finally throw it into a Robin Hood movie, I guess because they thought that story was the most likely to succeed. But they knew it didn’t make a whole lot of sense to make a furry version of the Robin Hood when it is traditionally not a furry story, so they address that in the opener just to try to get that out of the way.
It helps that the majority of their movies already had a tradition at that time of doing that storybook opener where a narrator introduces the story while the visual onscreen shows you a book, giving the impression that the audience is literally entering the fairytale.
Outside of the the few recycled stuff, it's fine. Good, even. None of the animators even wanted to reuse animation, they were instructed to dig it out of the archives. They thought it was a waste of time which didn't even save time or money.
You know the south was settled by British and German folk right? They didn't stop telling their stories. Jack tales for instance continued to have a long southern tradition.
I don't even understand what point you're trying to make here. All I said was that people who settled the south came from Britain and Western Europe and brought their culture and stories with them. Bluegrass comes from western European folk music and bluegrass instruments were adopted back into the reconstruction of trad celtic music. Robin Hood is English, granted, though there's something to be said for Celtic roots in the may day festivals. But I digress.
The point is, you must not really understand folk traditions if you think there's one correct iteration of Robin Hood with no allowance for the evolution of cultural motifs as it spreads over time. Hell, there are two competing popular strains of his background because rich people took an interest and decided he needed to be gentrified as a disgraced lord.
I mean do you pitch a fit about Dumas retelling Robin Hood in French with french sensibilities? Broaden your horizons.
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>The point is, you must not really understand folk traditions if you think there's one correct iteration of Robin Hood with no allowance for the evolution of cultural motifs as it spreads over time.
Pretty much this. American culture IS British culture now. Sorry, Bong, but "folk" music isn't YOUR folk music, it's OURS.
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I only hope you cry this hard about Lancelot being a filthy frog tradition.
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Lancelot is what the last Hollywood adaptation says he is. It really doesn't matter where he came from.
The point I was making in that reply is that it's pointless to care about what any story or character is, because it IS what American entertainment says it is.
But this is how it's always been, the weak might invent a story, but it's the powerful that decide what that story is. Hence why Robin Hood is no longer an Englishman standing up for the English, because why would anyone give a frick about that?
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>Robin Hood is no longer an Englishman standing up for the English, because why would anyone give a frick about that?
Because it doesn't have a broad enough appeal.
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>But this is how it's always been, the weak might invent a story, but it's the powerful that decide what that story is
As long as we're in agreement that this started happening to Robin Hood well before the American Pyle. Who actually did much to restore/maintain his yeoman status in the popular conception. >Hence why Robin Hood is no longer an Englishman standing up for the English, because why would anyone give a frick about that?
So you should be complaining about the forced fascination with fricking Richard instead of the one Robin Hood that has a goddamn banjo soundtrack.
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Dude, why are you acting as if I even care? I'm English, so I've gotten well used to the idea that nothing we have can ever be ours. This is what happens when you're a people without any mythology, folk traditions, stories, etc. of your own.
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>Dude, why are you acting as if I even care?
I don't know, you're the one whining about the ownership of folk tradition. >This is what happens when you're a people without any mythology, folk traditions, stories, etc. of your own
Ah, but America was just created out of thin air and stole all your shit, right?
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>Ah, but America was just created out of thin air and stole all your shit, right?
No, what people call "American" culture doesn't come from any English heritage (how do you inherit a void), but German, Irish, Italian, etc. heritage. If there is any "English" heritage in America, where are all the "English-Americans"? There's Irish-Americans, African-Americans, Italian-Americans, but where are the English-Americans?
This also gets in to that even people like Tolkien knew this was true, which is why he even wrote the Middle Earth stories, to try and give the English something that every other group on the planet had: a mythology.
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>If there is any "English" heritage in America, where are all the "English-Americans"? There's Irish-Americans, African-Americans, Italian-Americans, but where are the English-Americans?
Is this a legitimate question? It's in the fricking DnA of America from the beginning you goof. There are no "English Americans" because England is America's cultural baseline.
>This also gets in to that even people like Tolkien knew this was true, which is why he even wrote the Middle Earth stories, to try and give the English something that every other group on the planet had: a mythology
Not to subtract from Tolkien's tremendous vision but this is because England is essentially the original America in the sense that's it's a bastard people subjected to cultural and genetic invasions from so many different peoples, to an extent greater than arguably anything else in Western Europe.
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>If there is any "English" heritage in America, where are all the "English-Americans"?
They'd be listed under American. They don't need to hyphenate, as they're the default >English something that every other group on the planet had: a mythology
Poor b8, m8
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>Poor b8, m8
Name some English mythology then.
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I hear legends that they have food that doesn't suck ass somewhere.
Imagine being an Anglo lol >over 1500 years of history >1000 of which is you under the rule of others >no culture besides shitty food
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It was already there to begin with. Tolkien used Anglo-Saxon and Germanic writings like Beowulf and the Eddas as the basis for his work because he was mostly interested in that era and background. As for the US, the founding fathers were overwhelmingly English, and they invoked English enlightenment thinkers, the English Civil War, and the Magna Carta as their philosophies.
>Poor b8, m8
Name some English mythology then.
>Name some English mythology then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Child_Ballads
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliques_of_Ancient_English_Poetry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Canterbury_Tales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_Chronicle
etc
Name one song from the Disney soundtrack that has a banjo
>The point is, you must not really understand folk traditions if you think there's one correct iteration of Robin Hood with no allowance for the evolution of cultural motifs as it spreads over time.
Pretty much this. American culture IS British culture now. Sorry, Bong, but "folk" music isn't YOUR folk music, it's OURS.
Lancelot is what the last Hollywood adaptation says he is. It really doesn't matter where he came from.
The point I was making in that reply is that it's pointless to care about what any story or character is, because it IS what American entertainment says it is.
But this is how it's always been, the weak might invent a story, but it's the powerful that decide what that story is. Hence why Robin Hood is no longer an Englishman standing up for the English, because why would anyone give a frick about that?
You are complaining about Americans making ONE Robin Hood adaption that has a minor infusion of local dialects and music flavor. Even as an American child, I knew the story was in Medieval England
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>Even as an American child, I knew the story was in Medieval England
I didn't, and I'm a fricking Bong. Basically, if it was in any media that looked better than a puppet made of pipe cleaners, it couldn't possibly be England.
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Maybe that's because it was already close to home for you. I saw knights, princes, and castles and knew there was no way this was America. I didn't even catch the Southern element until I was an adult, and it was pointed out to me >if it was in any media that looked better than a puppet made of pipe cleaners, it couldn't possibly be England.
And here I thought Europoor was a meme
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>And here I thought Europoor was a meme
Even to this day I can't hear English accents (in a non-villainous role) in anything high-budget, or even see the setting, without feeling a massive disconnect.
Ah, so that's why it sounds like the radio friendly, American country and western, and not the actual songs that we have that are probably as old as the Robin Hood story?
95% of the old Robin Hood sources *are* songs. Even within the last 150+ years there are still versions that are in circulation (look up Child Ballads if you want an idea)
I love it. I rarely laughed about Disney movies as a kid, but the shooting contest escape had me lose my shit. The character designs are great. The hand drawn art is lovely. The villain is fun, I found the realism of the imrisonment scenes scary back then, or that Robin almost dies several times.
And I like the bard as a narrator.
Overall it's great. Kinda weird that King Richard returns from the crusades like it was a vacation though.
Furries didn't even exist when this movie was made. The earliest concept art is from the 1950s. They chose the animal theme because they liked it, not because they were pandering to a subculture that didn't properly appear until decades later.
They were creating it. They knew what they were doing. Why? Nobody knows. Maybe there's a secret prophecy. Maybe the Egyptians saw the future and their gods are just the furry kangs of the new era of mankind, risen from the ashes of civilization
Nothing in the world can be considered innocent anymore. Because there's at least one moron jerking off or sexualizing it. That includes inanimate objects.
This. I make a comic with animal creatures because I grew up loving animation & Henson/Froud stuff. Back in the 80s there was none of this degenerate crap.
>They knew what they were doing
I'm of the opinion that Disney simply animated the facial expressions very well, and some shut-ins with a few wires loose interpreted everything as sexual
>They chose the animal theme because they liked it,
The original idea was to adapt Reynard the Fox. That didn't pan out but some of the concepts were reused for Robin Hood.
Furries didn't even exist when this movie was made. The earliest concept art is from the 1950s. They chose the animal theme because they liked it, not because they were pandering to a subculture that didn't properly appear until decades later.
Yeah I understand why they didn't. With him sending the head of the king's messenger back to him and such. And he escaped by making the queen horny during his execution. Reynard is badass.
*Reynard, the protagonist of the 13th-century Dutch satyrical poem 'Van de vos Reynaerde', which was written by 'Willem, who made Madocke'.
Reynaerde means 'Pure-heart' which he very much is not.
He's a fox in a world of moe-or-less anthropomorphic animals. At the court of King Lion, he is accused in absentia of a lot of rotten stuff. Especially the rabbit, the wolf and the bear have it in for him.
Ultimately he gets away with everything.
He's the archetypical likable scoundrel.
Still want to imagine a modern day Robin Hood in this theme, where the "Marion" role is played by a young man related and closely aligned with some mega-rich tycoon.
an unlikely happy story since a gender reversal of a story like that would have the females taking advantage of Mr. Marion destabilize the kingdom instead.
This game is way better than it needs to be, more fun than is should be, and has better component quality than 90% of non-kickstarter board games. What the frick went right with this? Is it literally just the mouse pushing dosh on vanity projects?
This game is way better than it needs to be, more fun than is should be, and has better component quality than 90% of non-kickstarter board games. What the frick went right with this? Is it literally just the mouse pushing dosh on vanity projects?
And thankfully the same company is developing the new Disney TCG, so I'm hopeful that it'll be good as well.
This looks fun. Where I can find people to play this with?
There was an announcement about a remake a few years ago but nothing has been said since. Considering all the current remakes have been flops I don't see them doing it.
>The interviewer asks again about Robin Hood and Carlos says:
>“For now it doesn’t have a release date, we don’t have plans for it yet I hope one day we can continue with this project but for now I think they’re still figuring out some internal stuff”
it's supposed to be "live-action" too and with how unusually good the animation of honest john from the live-action pinocchio was makes me think he was the test bed the robin hood remake
I would honestly love a straight up Medieval setting with dog people where this is all a legitimate point. The idea of Christianity (or any religion that puts humanity higher than other creations) wrestling with another equally intelligent being is great.
Back in high school I wrote a story about getting lost in the woods and saved by Robin, then falling in love with him after Marian (who I was jealous of) sided with the Sheriff.
I remember, as a kid, feeling bad for the snake character and thinking he did nothing wrong. And here you thought "woobification" was a modern thing. By the way my favorite "Darkwing Duck" character was Bushroot. I think it all says something about me
I'm pretty sure that's just a random nob, not Marian. As far as I know, Marian was always a fox. After all, this movie was in production back when racemixing wasn't supposed to be shown in movies (based).
I just have my doubts is all. Why would a major American corporation want to set a movie in England of all places? Considering that it came from a Reynard story originally makes it more likely to be set in France than England, which would be a more logical choice for Disney to make as well.
I never saw the whole thing. The good movies made by Disney are very inaccessible but from what little I saw of it it's ok, it just has the typical flaws you'll find in most Disney content.
>Thanks for all the hard work from earlier! You're quite remarkable, you know. >It's great you're working hard, but it's important to let your body rest, too.
>Haha, if you're ever nervous, feel free to hold my hand. >That would relieve you a little bit, right?
you know, this made me think about something. In old moves the dude is handsome and dashing. In newer movies he's generally a dorky ugly loser. Not just Disney or animation, but movies in general. The whole "gets the girl in the end" type is never someone who deserves it. It's getting closer and closer to Japanese anime where the MC is a fricking wet rag with no personality.
This is a good point. The "why does the hero always get the girl?" complaint doesn't make sense when he's a suave and dashing guy like Robin. >"Why does he get the gi-"
Bitch, are you for real? How could he NOT get the girl?
I think for boys - I dunno if it's changed - when you see someone who's better than you, you wanna be that man. Why wouldn't you want to be Robin? He's charming, he's a hero, he's handsome, brave, resolute. In newer media, why would you want to be some dorky moron who seems to stumble into heroics rather than take them head-on? Even if, IDK, Po gets to be the dragon warrior or whatever and save the day, have you ever thought "damn, I wanna be this guy?" Would a boy want to be Po? I dunno, it's weird. I know Po is funny, he's not even a bad character, but these kids' movies are all the same now: here's a dorky fat moron and by being a dorky fat moron he becomes a hero.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. Back when I was a kid I wanted to be Indiana Jones, because why the frick wouldn't I? >It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage.
I want to use that one day.
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Same. Frick, we need more genuine heroes. Who was the last one? Kid from HTTYD?
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>Who was the last one? Kid from HTTYD?
He started as a dork, but underwent a classical hero's journey at least.
Man, I wish there were more protagonists like Jim from Treasure Planet. Inherently cool and good, but initially naive and irresponsible.
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Jim was garbage, man. Brooding angsty teenager straight from high school.
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>Anon, you're only 20 years old, how is your anus in such a terrible shape?
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>why would you want to be some dorky moron who seems to stumble into heroics rather than take them head-on?
Because OMG HE'S JUST LIKE ME
Same. Frick, we need more genuine heroes. Who was the last one? Kid from HTTYD?
>we need more genuine heroes
No, courage and masculinity are toxic. you will watch generic wish-fulfillment garbage featuring emasculated nobodies lucking out into the MC role (even if that negates the entire point of making them 'relatable') and you will like it.
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Because blackpill has taught modern boys that they can never be chad. Modern boys don't think "I want to be that man", they think "I'm sad that I can't be that man".
>Thanks for all the hard work from earlier! You're quite remarkable, you know. >It's great you're working hard, but it's important to let your body rest, too.
Despite being a pretty massive furgay I never saw it until a few years ago.
It was...fine. It's really hard to think of anything to say about it except that it had some cute designs. There was something about it that felt more like an art experiment than a movie with a plot, I never really felt like I was watching a cohesive story, just things happening.
>just things happening.
Same with Sword in the Stone.
It's like those anime "movies" where they cram scenes from the first 26 episodes in to 90 minutes.
Would still really like a proper series in this setting though.
>Now that shit was just a jumbled mess.
It's a garbage story, but death of Professor Screweyes is some kino fricking shit. The whole film kinda feels like they had a bad writer but a really good storyboard guy.
It's not Disney's best, but it's chill. If it were on TV or something I would watch it and enjoy it. Judged as a post-Disney movie, I would say it's one of the better ones.
I like how the animation itself has a lot of character, just like in Sword in the Stone. I think they had a lot of fun figuring out how all these characters are supposed to move
>The actual plot is forgettable as hell
What's forgettable about it? I'm not looking it up, but Robin is making assault to John's gold carriages, the Sheriff robs people of their savings, then John does this tournament thing and Robin dresses up to win the hand of Marian, he gets caught and sentenced to beheading, his buddies rescue him, John sets shit on fire, Robin saves Marian and flees with her. Richard comes, John is sent to prison, Robin gets married and taps that sweet vixen pussy.
:I don't remember anything from Zootopia except Judy gets har hands on the case with predators going nuts, she finds that the souce is some kind of flower, and frames Bellweather.
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Ah, I mixed up Robin getting caught at the tournament with John imprisoning everyone for treason. Robin doesn't get rescued, he rescues Tuck from beheading. Aside of that, every scene makes sense and it fits. I don't remember shit about Zootopia which I've seen much later. Why was Judy on the lion's computer?
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Why was Judy talking with the mafia boss? Why did Judy even get Nick to help her? I don't remember shit from that movie. I watched Robin Hood last time like 10 years ago.
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She used Bellweather's computer to check security camera footage.
11 months ago
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That wasn't Bellweather's computer, the keyboard was huge and she had to play Twister to type
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That's a deleted scene that wasn't in the movie.
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goddamn, I can see why I remember it
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>ZPD uses macs
What the frick. I have never seen a competent PD use anything other than moron-proof and easily replaceable PCs running Win 7 or 10.
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Pixar was founded in part by Steve Jobs.
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I just think it's a fairly weak plot that mostly serves to string a bunch of excellent vignettes together. Compare with say The Lion King - that's a strong damn plot.
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It's a very simple plot, but I wouldn't call it weak. A plot is weak when it has holes
in it. I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but in comparison, I can't remember a thing about Zootopia which is much more recent.
I've actually never seen the Lion King since I was already converted. Maybe I'll watch it tonight.
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>A plot is weak when it has holes
I don't agree with that, I think the weakness/strength of a plot has to do with memorable story beats and flow rather than diligence. Besides, it's perfectly okay for a story to have a weak plot if it for example has strong characters or some sort of stylistic value, both of which Robin Hood has in my opinion.
Weak plot:
The Sword in the Stone
Aristocats
Brother Bear
Strong plot:
Pinocchio
Bambi
The Lion King
Note that a story can be very enjoyable even with a weak plot. I fricking love The Sword in the Stone for example.
I've had Sleeping Beauty on my mind a lot lately thanks to those threads we've been having. Now I'll have Robin on my mind and want to write fanfics for HIM as well.
both sound pretty kino, but you better have a compelling reason for making Aurora evil. If well written a continuing series about fox robin hood following them into adulthood would be a practically canonical addition
>but you better have a compelling reason for making Aurora evil.
The whole conceit is that they actually invite Maleficent to the Christening, and because she's a dark fae and even you winning still means you lose, she gifts herself as Aurora's personal tutor, and slowly brings her towards the dark arts.
>Not a shocker we have a single mother epidemic and single mothers are ruining the USA. Women should have no rights and death to the israelites for giving them rights.
Holy fricking schizo Batman
>When your competition is shit like Aang from Avatar for example he looks good by comparison
Aang is a child and he's not a moron at all. He's just a monk, he is the way he is not because he's wimpy. He fricking reks Fire Nation soldiers right off the bat.
>it's Disney's Robin Hood which inspired Link much more
I came to this realization recently when I saw a drawing of a similar fox in an unusual style, and I couldn't tell if he was supposed to be Robin or the fox from Tunic (which is pretty much just Link as a fox).
>Only when he gets possessed by angry spirits.
In Episode 2 when Fire Nation soldiers attack the Water Tribe, Aang surrenders only because he doesn't want the others to get hurt. Once he's captive on the boat, he easily escapes, reks the guards with his hands tied, then he gets in Zuko's room, gets his staff and reks Zuko as well in close-quarters, where Zuko - who's a warrior and not a monk - fights at his best. He's not wimpy at all and he doesn't stumble into heroics like a bumbling idiot. He's a capable martial artist, shown time and time again to be a world-class airbender, and shown to be resourceful, smart, and generally a cool guy despite being a kid who still acts realistically like a kid.
Robin Hood is way more badass than either. >This is fricking WAR you traitorous Norman Black person. The oppression and rape of the Saxon race won't be tolerated any longer *guerrilla kills 100 soldiers*
You can get bluray+DVD+digital right now on Amazon for like 9 bucks. There might not be an ideal version but at least that way you don't have to agonize over it
Great designs, great opening song, awful, awful structure (three vignettes that aren't connected to each other, and only one of which even stars Robin Hood himself).
>three vignettes that aren't connected to each other
Vignettes make perfect sense here, as Robin Hood is a character with practically no timeline. I wish movies did it more.
I always wondered about the "reused animation" part.
So they just drew over old cels? Compared to digital today with its copypaste and now potentially AI stuff, that sounds far more laborious and demanding.
Pretty much. The executives thought it would save time and money but it really didn't because you still had to send people to the vaults to dig out all those old drawings, which used up just as much, if not more time than making new drawings would have
Interestingly, this made me realize that the "uncropped" version of
For anyone looking for the uncropped version for whatever reason, the "720p" version in YTS is actually an old 480p rip in 4:3.
is slightly stretched
Compare pic related to the screencap from the post with the dead link
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1613/86/1613869150394.png
Probably tried to remove that black line on the right. Either way the YTS release is compressed as frick, but that anon's upload looks like an uncompressed DVD remux which I can't find anywhere anymore.
I also found PAL DVD on Rutracker which looks even slightly sharper than the NTSC one, though it's slightly more cropped on sides and it has the typical high pitched sound due to fps change.
The PAL transfer definitely looks more detailed and good looking despite that tiny crop, I'll do an x264 rip of it slowing it down back to native 23.976 fps and probably sync BluRay audio to it since the audio needs to be reencoded anyway for the fps change.
I also found PAL DVD on Rutracker which looks even slightly sharper than the NTSC one, though it's slightly more cropped on sides and it has the typical high pitched sound due to fps change.
Speaking of the Bluray, for some inexplicable reason, the wanted poster is missing a huge chunk on the left but you can see a bit more of the curtain on the right, which means that the DVD wasn't really a full frame scan either.
>all this autism about different versions and encodings >just to enjoy a kids' movie
Why are companies run by suits with room temperature IQ who don't know the first thing about their products?
Speaking of the Bluray, for some inexplicable reason, the wanted poster is missing a huge chunk on the left but you can see a bit more of the curtain on the right, which means that the DVD wasn't really a full frame scan either.
This is normal. The movie was shot on 1.37:1 film (Academy ratio) which gets slightly cropped on the sides in 4:3/1.33:1. If you present it in widescreen (which is actually how most people would have seen it in theaters in 1973) you can keep a little more of the sides.
A real full frame like pic related looks pretty wonky, as it includes the undrawn edges of cels and backgrounds. These always get cropped out by the projector matte.
That reminds me how Little Mermaid series which was obviously made for 4:3 aspect only have such undrawn parts in the widescreen HD release, shit's pretty funny.
Oh, interesting. I think I had never seen this, thanks Anon.
For comparison, here is the same frame on the NTSC DVD.
It has a little more image on the sides, probably because it was taken from the original camera negative or interpositive rather than a theatrical print.
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For comparison, here is the same frame on the NTSC DVD.
It has a little more image on the sides, probably because it was taken from the original camera negative or interpositive rather than a theatrical print.
Anon, you seem to love this movie very much. Just out of curiosity, are you the owner of a fursuit?
I've managed to change DVD video's fps into 23.976 with no reencoding so it's untouched. Also used BluRay's DTS for better quality, encoded it into AC3 448kbps. The film grain is very prominent here so any compression just makes it worse. Feel free to experiment with reencoding if you will, maybe it can be slightly improved with properly set Neat Video or something, but it's already the best existing source as it is.
Okay, so it's something in the base64, but what?
Am I expected to use a base64 decoder for every word in the dictionary, and multiple combinations of words, in both cases, just for a video?
I tried a bunch and they were all wrong. Doesn't matter, you got your attention.
Okay, so it's something in the base64, but what?
Am I expected to use a base64 decoder for every word in the dictionary, and multiple combinations of words, in both cases, just for a video?
Just ignore him and use a different rip. He's being a homosexual for attention so don't give it to him.
I also found PAL DVD on Rutracker which looks even slightly sharper than the NTSC one, though it's slightly more cropped on sides and it has the typical high pitched sound due to fps change.
?
I just found out that MPC randomly takes screencaps with arbitrary color levels, which is pretty fricked up when you're trying to compare different versions of the same video.
Anyways, this definitely looks much better than the DVDrip from YTS, so it's much appreciated!
>the same as
I'm a moron, I didn't mean to say "the same as" when you literally said that you changed the frame rate, I meant to ask if that was the base or it was yet a different rip.
Yep, I used that DVD9 from Rutracker. It looks like you're using some auto deinterlacer. While the video has the typical interlace tag just like any DVD, the actual video is fully progressive and doesn't need it.
Legit, high-bar film. A solid favourite of my folks, and my little sister loved it enough that she eventually wore out the VHS we had of it. M'dad actually got the slgihtest touch sad when he found that out. He'd gotten that tape when it was new for my oldest brother.
Anthro remake no but if Disney sunk its money into a proper one with humans we could have gotten that instead of the last two big attempts with lol scripts (Russell Crowe's and Taron Egerton's)
I got an even better idea. Do the animated remake, but make it about an entirely different story that the studio hasn’t already covered. They used to do that all the time to great success, maybe they should try it again.
Both were a lot of people's first crush
And how they look somewhat similar might have additionally confused some people for the first time in that regard
Both were a lot of people's first crush
And how they look somewhat similar might have additionally confused some people for the first time in that regard
Nothing with them being a traditional straight couple or them as a couple in the first place
>You know somethin', Robin, I was just wonderin'? Are we good guys or bad guys? You know, I mean, uh... Our robbin' the rich to feed the poor. >Rob? That's a naughty word. We never rob. We just sort of borrow a bit from those who can afford it. >"Borrow"? Huh. Boy, are we in debt.
Keep in mind that while this print is generally in great shape, there are a number of short splices. It's possible to restore by using frames from another source like the DVD version, but matching the positioning will take some work.
Apart from that, this is by far the best I've ever seen this film look.
fun stuff. really good times. marian was cute as frick. the little rabbit kids were adorable. little john was a bro and a half. And the way they recycled some footage it actually looks like it cost more than if it had been original.
[...]
nah man, this is about big government taxing people into oblivion. You know who saved us from that shit? rich people. the mercantile class. THAT's whom "rich people bad" are trying to attack, because they want to bring guys like prince john BACK.
This movie is shit. All the jokes are the horny jokes and all the bad guys act like degenerates, especially the Prince John.
I can't describe my disappointment.
No joke, the definitive Robin Hood movie
Men in Tights?
It's a parody but still.
It made realize furry girls only belong to human men
The absolute truth
>ancient Tohupo pics
Ok.
Does Maid Marian have stubby legs like Robin?
Good. That leaves the furry guys for us.
I like the 1930's Robin Hood
>You'd kill a man for telling the truth?
>If it amused me, yes.
Huh
I'm pretty sure Hayao Miyazaki more-or-less lifted the final 10 minutes of that movie when making The Castle of Cagliostro
Maybe, he paid a lot of homages to movies he saw when he was younger.
>Marian: Why, you speak treason!
>Robin Hood: Fluently
Created the sample used to make the hamsterdance meme
Created a generation of furries
Disney meets Filmation
Filmation?
They recycle animation from other Disney projects.
1. Snow White's dance from the Dwarf party
2. Kaa's Hypno closeup from the first encounter
3. Baloo dancing
To name a few. If you want the best alternate example of "Disney in the Dark Age" that wasn't Black Cauldron, there it is.
Black Cauldron is cool, just incomplete.
I sometimes wonder if that was part of Walt's fear of home video, that people would start noticing the corner-cutting
Walt was long dead when home video was a thing.
It's a good movie and as an iteration of Robin Hood one of my favorites. Shame about all the furhomosexualry it spawned
I think it's enjoyable for what it is, regardless of that fact that it's cobbled together from re-used animation. Also, great music in that flick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLhYSw67pdg
Was it really the birth of furry culture? What about stuff like ancient Egyptian art showing people dressing up as dogs, cats and birds?
Yes. Modern Furries date back to around the 70's/80's comics/anime/sci-fi fandoms.
While the idea of anthropomorphic animals goes way back in (pre)history, Furry culture is entirely a 20th century invention. Can you find a medieval account of people who dress up as animals (for non-theatrical purposes)?
plague doctors.
Just a costume and not even based on an animal. The appearance just a coincidence.
Probably closer, but was it more than just a battle costume?
The Aztecs
Would that be so strange?
What the frick is this? It looks like an uglier Bitter Lake.
I'm imagining Firestarter by The Prodigy playing in the background.
I remember it being pretty good.
I haven't watched it in a long time, though.
>Was it really the birth of furry culture?
It was probably a whole bunch of the cartoons, along with people just growing up. Drawing people is hard (see: Popeye-era cartoons) and so you got a lot of studios that were drawing animal characters, like Bugs Bunny or the fox Robin Hood. Then these people grew up, had some sexual fantasies about what the watched during childhood. The biggest difference is that it was about Maid Marian this time rather than Betty Boop or Elizabeth Taylor.
It became a subculture when people started communicating and gathering together about it. Blame the internet for letting them actually connect and communicate, although apparently they were doing that at conventions a bit earlier.
>What about stuff like ancient Egyptian art showing people dressing up as dogs, cats and birds?
People did that. Probably even fetishized that. But when it's just one dude jerking off to carved wooden cat figured in his cellar, then it doesn't mean much because nobody is getting together in a group to say about how normal it is.
>although apparently they were doing that at conventions a bit earlier.
I just looked it up, the first one was 1989.
That might be the first official "furry" convention, but the community would gather at normal animation conventions before that. Fritz the Cat was from 1965-1972 (with the movie on the final year) and it was certainly inspired by these furry meetups, not one of the first.
I remember that they were called "funny animal cartoons" back then, and there was a big debate in the cartoon community about if people really should be publicly sexualizing them. I don't quite remember when they really started becoming a popular "thing" but it was certainly the mid- to early-1900s.
>big debate in the cartoon community about if people really should be publicly sexualizing them
You know it's funny. I remember the furry fandom of the 90s, and how it was slightly less degenerate than it later became. There was plenty of sexy stuff, to be sure, but a lot of it was no worse than what you'd see on children's television of the 80s and 90s. Of course the extreme hardcore stuff was around too, but was often tucked into it's own categories, and people actually argued about the direction the fandom was heading in.
Once the early 2000s hit, though, the pornographers overran the fandom, and it became much more of a sexual thing. That's when the hatred of furries really picked up steam, too.
Well, that's how I remember it happening. Might have just been my perception of events, though.
This is pretty accurate.
In the late 2010s it did get a slight bump for being kind of trendy though.
Where does TMNT stand in the fandom sphere apart from the Ninjara stuff?
Significantly less overlap than, say MLP. I think it might be because the turtles themselves are very goofy in their designs, so they don't get sexualized as much.
I'm a delivery driver, and some people are so rich they forget what they even bought, and this is things like multiple hundreds of pounds or thousands of pounds worth of furniture. They obviously have too much money.
I want to torture whoever responsible for the BluRay release to death. Also Marian is pretty.
Did it ever get a proper web release like The Sword in the Stone?
Doesn't seem so. Fricking morons.
I remember finding a Fullscreen DVD upload in the archives but the link is dead. Can somebody reupload it please?
What's wrong with the bluray?
Are you serious? It's cropped and DNRed to hell, it's among the worst BluRays ever released.
Well I don't own it so I wouldn't know
I really like these little concept art pieces
I am personally a fan of this storyboard frame from the cut ending where prince John comes to stab the injured and defenseless Robin to death in his sleep (and is obviously foiled but they really should've included it in the film).
Why did they cut that scene?
There was no comedy, John was just going to stab Robin.
I still think they should have left it in. The climax is an appropriate place to stop using gags for a while
Ran out of money
Cuuute!
Why did they decide to make the opening meta?
I used to watch it all the time on VHS as a kid so the whistling is burned into my brain
Guess it's because of the all-animal take
To help in the indoctrination
>Wait... My descendants used to actually be hot fox people?
>What happened?
>... We need to go back
Because they were on a budget and had a lot of leftover furry material from other movies they had made like The Jungle Book, as well as movies they had been planning to make but ultimately didn’t like Chanticleer or Renaud the Fox. And they decided to finally throw it into a Robin Hood movie, I guess because they thought that story was the most likely to succeed. But they knew it didn’t make a whole lot of sense to make a furry version of the Robin Hood when it is traditionally not a furry story, so they address that in the opener just to try to get that out of the way.
It helps that the majority of their movies already had a tradition at that time of doing that storybook opener where a narrator introduces the story while the visual onscreen shows you a book, giving the impression that the audience is literally entering the fairytale.
Pantless, easy access, total bawd.
Pretty much this. He's probably knotted countless human women. This is why Maid Marian deserves better (me).
Don’t understand the hatred this movie gets in some animation circles. It’s not great but honestly it’s one of the better dark age films.
>Don’t understand the hatred this movie gets in some animation circles.
Muh furriez boogieman
It’s also hated for frequently recycling animation from previous Disney Films. The Phony King of England sequence in particular is infamous for it.
Outside of the the few recycled stuff, it's fine. Good, even. None of the animators even wanted to reuse animation, they were instructed to dig it out of the archives. They thought it was a waste of time which didn't even save time or money.
Easy. Some people have shit taste. it's an objectively good film.
I love it.
I haven't watched it since I was a kid but I weirdly hated it. And no, not because of the furries.
There was always something about the lighting or the art style that always made me kinda sick to my stomach watching it. I still don't know why.
Too many earth tones?
I think Men in Tights was more funny.
>Men in Tights
not Cinemaphile, but I'm gonna say based regardless.
Men in Tights sucks, the hell is wrong with you?
Never voice your opinion again
stupid 70s music
Roger Miller did a bang-up job. It really added to the Southern tinges of the movie
The Southern thing always sucked. As if there's no such thing as folk music in the British isles.
You know the south was settled by British and German folk right? They didn't stop telling their stories. Jack tales for instance continued to have a long southern tradition.
Ah yes, listen to those banjo strings:
Listen to that southern drawl:
I don't even understand what point you're trying to make here. All I said was that people who settled the south came from Britain and Western Europe and brought their culture and stories with them. Bluegrass comes from western European folk music and bluegrass instruments were adopted back into the reconstruction of trad celtic music. Robin Hood is English, granted, though there's something to be said for Celtic roots in the may day festivals. But I digress.
The point is, you must not really understand folk traditions if you think there's one correct iteration of Robin Hood with no allowance for the evolution of cultural motifs as it spreads over time. Hell, there are two competing popular strains of his background because rich people took an interest and decided he needed to be gentrified as a disgraced lord.
I mean do you pitch a fit about Dumas retelling Robin Hood in French with french sensibilities? Broaden your horizons.
>The point is, you must not really understand folk traditions if you think there's one correct iteration of Robin Hood with no allowance for the evolution of cultural motifs as it spreads over time.
Pretty much this. American culture IS British culture now. Sorry, Bong, but "folk" music isn't YOUR folk music, it's OURS.
I only hope you cry this hard about Lancelot being a filthy frog tradition.
Lancelot is what the last Hollywood adaptation says he is. It really doesn't matter where he came from.
The point I was making in that reply is that it's pointless to care about what any story or character is, because it IS what American entertainment says it is.
But this is how it's always been, the weak might invent a story, but it's the powerful that decide what that story is. Hence why Robin Hood is no longer an Englishman standing up for the English, because why would anyone give a frick about that?
>Robin Hood is no longer an Englishman standing up for the English, because why would anyone give a frick about that?
Because it doesn't have a broad enough appeal.
>But this is how it's always been, the weak might invent a story, but it's the powerful that decide what that story is
As long as we're in agreement that this started happening to Robin Hood well before the American Pyle. Who actually did much to restore/maintain his yeoman status in the popular conception.
>Hence why Robin Hood is no longer an Englishman standing up for the English, because why would anyone give a frick about that?
So you should be complaining about the forced fascination with fricking Richard instead of the one Robin Hood that has a goddamn banjo soundtrack.
Dude, why are you acting as if I even care? I'm English, so I've gotten well used to the idea that nothing we have can ever be ours. This is what happens when you're a people without any mythology, folk traditions, stories, etc. of your own.
>Dude, why are you acting as if I even care?
I don't know, you're the one whining about the ownership of folk tradition.
>This is what happens when you're a people without any mythology, folk traditions, stories, etc. of your own
Ah, but America was just created out of thin air and stole all your shit, right?
>Ah, but America was just created out of thin air and stole all your shit, right?
No, what people call "American" culture doesn't come from any English heritage (how do you inherit a void), but German, Irish, Italian, etc. heritage. If there is any "English" heritage in America, where are all the "English-Americans"? There's Irish-Americans, African-Americans, Italian-Americans, but where are the English-Americans?
This also gets in to that even people like Tolkien knew this was true, which is why he even wrote the Middle Earth stories, to try and give the English something that every other group on the planet had: a mythology.
>If there is any "English" heritage in America, where are all the "English-Americans"? There's Irish-Americans, African-Americans, Italian-Americans, but where are the English-Americans?
Is this a legitimate question? It's in the fricking DnA of America from the beginning you goof. There are no "English Americans" because England is America's cultural baseline.
>This also gets in to that even people like Tolkien knew this was true, which is why he even wrote the Middle Earth stories, to try and give the English something that every other group on the planet had: a mythology
Not to subtract from Tolkien's tremendous vision but this is because England is essentially the original America in the sense that's it's a bastard people subjected to cultural and genetic invasions from so many different peoples, to an extent greater than arguably anything else in Western Europe.
>If there is any "English" heritage in America, where are all the "English-Americans"?
They'd be listed under American. They don't need to hyphenate, as they're the default
>English something that every other group on the planet had: a mythology
Poor b8, m8
>Poor b8, m8
Name some English mythology then.
I hear legends that they have food that doesn't suck ass somewhere.
Imagine being an Anglo lol
>over 1500 years of history
>1000 of which is you under the rule of others
>no culture besides shitty food
It was already there to begin with. Tolkien used Anglo-Saxon and Germanic writings like Beowulf and the Eddas as the basis for his work because he was mostly interested in that era and background. As for the US, the founding fathers were overwhelmingly English, and they invoked English enlightenment thinkers, the English Civil War, and the Magna Carta as their philosophies.
>Name some English mythology then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Child_Ballads
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliques_of_Ancient_English_Poetry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Canterbury_Tales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_Chronicle
etc
Name one song from the Disney soundtrack that has a banjo
You are complaining about Americans making ONE Robin Hood adaption that has a minor infusion of local dialects and music flavor. Even as an American child, I knew the story was in Medieval England
>Even as an American child, I knew the story was in Medieval England
I didn't, and I'm a fricking Bong. Basically, if it was in any media that looked better than a puppet made of pipe cleaners, it couldn't possibly be England.
Maybe that's because it was already close to home for you. I saw knights, princes, and castles and knew there was no way this was America. I didn't even catch the Southern element until I was an adult, and it was pointed out to me
>if it was in any media that looked better than a puppet made of pipe cleaners, it couldn't possibly be England.
And here I thought Europoor was a meme
>And here I thought Europoor was a meme
Even to this day I can't hear English accents (in a non-villainous role) in anything high-budget, or even see the setting, without feeling a massive disconnect.
Ah, so that's why it sounds like the radio friendly, American country and western, and not the actual songs that we have that are probably as old as the Robin Hood story?
95% of the old Robin Hood sources *are* songs. Even within the last 150+ years there are still versions that are in circulation (look up Child Ballads if you want an idea)
I love it. I rarely laughed about Disney movies as a kid, but the shooting contest escape had me lose my shit. The character designs are great. The hand drawn art is lovely. The villain is fun, I found the realism of the imrisonment scenes scary back then, or that Robin almost dies several times.
And I like the bard as a narrator.
Overall it's great. Kinda weird that King Richard returns from the crusades like it was a vacation though.
>Kinda weird that King Richard returns from the crusades like it was a vacation though
It wasn't?
Not according to Dantes Inferno.
Imagine if this went back to cinemas instead of Frozen
maid marian turned me into a furry and I am thankful of it
Thats one of the best choices, imagine turning furry to shit like FNAF.
Underrated husbando
you only like him because he has a huge lute
Yes
Also that he is a large wiener
Pecker.
There I said it.
I love this thread
Great song.
>that one comic where robin is abducted and taken to the future
Furries didn't even exist when this movie was made. The earliest concept art is from the 1950s. They chose the animal theme because they liked it, not because they were pandering to a subculture that didn't properly appear until decades later.
The point you try to make is what exactly?
They were creating it. They knew what they were doing. Why? Nobody knows. Maybe there's a secret prophecy. Maybe the Egyptians saw the future and their gods are just the furry kangs of the new era of mankind, risen from the ashes of civilization
Anthropomorphic animal characters are really old in literature anon, it wasn't weird til furries made it weird
Nothing in the world can be considered innocent anymore. Because there's at least one moron jerking off or sexualizing it. That includes inanimate objects.
MMMMM floor tiles
>Nothing in the world can be considered innocent anymore.
This sums up how I feel. Hits me hard
This. I make a comic with animal creatures because I grew up loving animation & Henson/Froud stuff. Back in the 80s there was none of this degenerate crap.
>They knew what they were doing
I'm of the opinion that Disney simply animated the facial expressions very well, and some shut-ins with a few wires loose interpreted everything as sexual
It's me. I'm shut-ins.
Alright.
>They chose the animal theme because they liked it,
The original idea was to adapt Reynard the Fox. That didn't pan out but some of the concepts were reused for Robin Hood.
Yeah I understand why they didn't. With him sending the head of the king's messenger back to him and such. And he escaped by making the queen horny during his execution. Reynard is badass.
don't forget the multiple rapes reynard commits
I didn't read a rape version, the one I read was rewritten into a story for kids... well... he still sent the head.
the main one is him raping the wolf wife of the sheriff in her own home
Hot.
Who is Reynald?
*Reynard, the protagonist of the 13th-century Dutch satyrical poem 'Van de vos Reynaerde', which was written by 'Willem, who made Madocke'.
Reynaerde means 'Pure-heart' which he very much is not.
He's a fox in a world of moe-or-less anthropomorphic animals. At the court of King Lion, he is accused in absentia of a lot of rotten stuff. Especially the rabbit, the wolf and the bear have it in for him.
Ultimately he gets away with everything.
He's the archetypical likable scoundrel.
Then you have the similar Reynardine, who is a werefox that seems to do nothing but seduce human women.
No, I'm not memeing.
Interesting
There's a song about it, it's pretty cool. My favorite is the Fairport Convention version
>he is accused
that's the key line here that you're overlooking here anon. who's to say any of it is true and not slander?
He raped Isengrim the wolf's wife. Isengrim saw it happen.
was he trustworthy in the story? bribed or maybe he had a vendetta against Reynard and used slander as his weapon?
Made me hungry for crackers n milk
>Made me hungry for crackers n milk
What
Well shit, I thought this was from Robin Hood at first
Not one of my favourites, but I can see why others may like it.
What a hunk for someone who's basically a bum.
correct
and to be more specific, bloodline cults are degeneracy
It's been at least a couple decades since I last watched it, but I remember I liked it a lot back in the day.
couple of fun what ifs?
I think if the movie came out today and otherwise experienced no other changes then we would've gotten this lol
Still want to imagine a modern day Robin Hood in this theme, where the "Marion" role is played by a young man related and closely aligned with some mega-rich tycoon.
What about Errol Flynn Robin Hood and vixen Maid Marian?
Mixing and matching real people with cartoons is pretty rarely good, so I'd be skeptical.
Yeah, but I mean just in our heads, though it'd still be funny.
an unlikely happy story since a gender reversal of a story like that would have the females taking advantage of Mr. Marion destabilize the kingdom instead.
the beginning of the furgay menace
I got a new Marian pin in the mail today. Not focused as a I took the pic for a dalmatian thread.
I was in that thread. You've got good taste, anon
Marian belongs in jail.
This game is way better than it needs to be, more fun than is should be, and has better component quality than 90% of non-kickstarter board games. What the frick went right with this? Is it literally just the mouse pushing dosh on vanity projects?
And thankfully the same company is developing the new Disney TCG, so I'm hopeful that it'll be good as well.
Wait is this just MTG but Disney? How do I make a maid marian deck lmao
This looks fun. Where I can find people to play this with?
on Tabletop Simulator
Your friendly local game shop.
It's not a masterpiece but it's fun and it doesn't overstay its welcome. I like to put it on every now and then
Is Disney still planning to remake Robin Hood for Disney+? Because I sure hope not
There was an announcement about a remake a few years ago but nothing has been said since. Considering all the current remakes have been flops I don't see them doing it.
It was already shelved as far back as 2021.
>The interviewer asks again about Robin Hood and Carlos says:
>“For now it doesn’t have a release date, we don’t have plans for it yet I hope one day we can continue with this project but for now I think they’re still figuring out some internal stuff”
it's supposed to be "live-action" too and with how unusually good the animation of honest john from the live-action pinocchio was makes me think he was the test bed the robin hood remake
Deserves to be made a mother of my children
Hhhot
Absence truly makes the heart grow fonder.
Thanks for reminding me this song exists.
Someone should replace that with an Arby's slider
Never felt like a full movie. More like a series of shorts edited together.
How can a rooster whistle if he ain't got no lips?
>The Rooster
I thought he was supposed to be Alan-A-Dale
What would kissing fox woman be like?
sooo sofffft
It'd tickle
Beautifully rendered art.
Like heaven.
castlevania X robin hood is a fun mix and already happened since the fox archer enemy is a orange fox man archer in a green outfit
God I wish that were me.
Damn now I feel like watching Fox & the Hound again
Do it anon
>The way Todd's back arcs upward
I like lovey-dovey stuff.
If you liked it, I can't recommend Tracnar & Faribol enough
Holy frick that looks epic
I don't know when I'll read it because my backlog is huge, but it looks pretty good, downloaded, thanks for the recommendation.
Where can I find the translated version?
Go to tbh and look for the title + mega, there's only one post, from 2021, it has a link.
I want to rawdog that rooster.
But would he let you tho?
Going by fanworks yes he would
Oh no.
Maid Marian is the perfect Disney Princess, prove me wrong
Bestiality is a sin. Repent.
Define bestiality
>Define bestiality
Doing non-humans.
>Harkness Test
Man can only lie in the same bed with a woman, you immoral degenerate.
it is kinda ironic that Midevel monks are more open-minded than you are
I would honestly love a straight up Medieval setting with dog people where this is all a legitimate point. The idea of Christianity (or any religion that puts humanity higher than other creations) wrestling with another equally intelligent being is great.
Someone needs to learn about the Harkness Test.
>princess
LOL
LMAO
I BET YOU THINK MULAN IS A PRINCESS TOO.
ROFLMAO
but Mulan is there in the image
I’m actually glad that they didn’t downgrade her with that generic as shit art style.
Furry fandom goes on
It's one of my favorite disney movies along with Sword & the Stone, Jungle Book, Aristocats, and 101 Dalmations.
I enjoyed the animation plus I think the british voice actors + Phill Harris/Pat Butram/Andy Devine were good.
>Sword & the Stone, Jungle Book, Aristocats, and 101 Dalmations
Anon has a type, I see…
Absolutely based. Those movies are just so comfy to watch
Oblita-Fricking-Tory
I wanna frick the fox.
Correct. Especially ones who are rich because of the jizz they came from
cool it with the antisemetic remarks
Quince of truth!!
Back in high school I wrote a story about getting lost in the woods and saved by Robin, then falling in love with him after Marian (who I was jealous of) sided with the Sheriff.
Too Americanized
I remember, as a kid, feeling bad for the snake character and thinking he did nothing wrong. And here you thought "woobification" was a modern thing.
By the way my favorite "Darkwing Duck" character was Bushroot. I think it all says something about me
I LOVE how creative they were with his body language despite his being a snake. Those crossed arms alone wow me
I'm almost afraid to ask but has someone done a fan version of furry Guy of Gisbourne?
>Guy of Gisbourne
Now I'm imagining what Disney's Ivanhoe in this setting would be like.
>No horse head
Lame
>Disney's Ivanhoe
What animals would Isaac and Rebecca be?
We can just fall back to generic cats like Stan Sakai does
Also Olivia Hussey is pure waifu tier in the 80s version
Front de Boeuf is helpfully already a bull
>Ivanhoe
The book that gives Medieval Autistics sperg outs.
Sir Walter Scott loved making things up.
>The book that gives Medieval Autistics sperg outs.
(And that's a good thing).
What's the best physical release of this movie?
Wondering that myself.
Probably the Disney Gold Collection DVD.
>Giraffe Marian
She needs fanart.
I'm pretty sure that's just a random nob, not Marian. As far as I know, Marian was always a fox. After all, this movie was in production back when racemixing wasn't supposed to be shown in movies (based).
>I'm pretty sure that's just a random nob, not Marian.
Marian or not, she still needs fanart.
yes
>posts rich b***h
source on that image?
male furries are made for human females
AMOHF. Dope.
THREE WORD POST
Speak English
Sickest form of degeneracy
Holy shit it's all still set in white bread medieval England you autist
I just have my doubts is all. Why would a major American corporation want to set a movie in England of all places? Considering that it came from a Reynard story originally makes it more likely to be set in France than England, which would be a more logical choice for Disney to make as well.
Nice butt for that one scene.
That's Duchess' butt.
I know, but it fits better on Marian. They really should've made her butt that big for the whole film.
Cute (but old enough) with a big butt, that's how I like them.
I never saw the whole thing. The good movies made by Disney are very inaccessible but from what little I saw of it it's ok, it just has the typical flaws you'll find in most Disney content.
Honestly, setting "British" stories elsewhere is always an improvement, like Arietty or When Marnie Was There changing the locations to Japan.
The opening whistle theme is still seared into my brain to this day.
Did it make you a furgay?
No.
>"So, Cinemaphile, I hear you're against taxation...?"
>"Perhaps we can go for a walk in the forest, and we can talk some more?"
What do you say?
"I'm not against taxation, you communist homosexual."
no homosexual but that's a really handsome Robin
Robin is a very handsome (might even say he's foxy) man.
you know, this made me think about something. In old moves the dude is handsome and dashing. In newer movies he's generally a dorky ugly loser. Not just Disney or animation, but movies in general. The whole "gets the girl in the end" type is never someone who deserves it. It's getting closer and closer to Japanese anime where the MC is a fricking wet rag with no personality.
This is a good point. The "why does the hero always get the girl?" complaint doesn't make sense when he's a suave and dashing guy like Robin.
>"Why does he get the gi-"
Bitch, are you for real? How could he NOT get the girl?
>How could he NOT get the girl?
He wouldn't have if this guy cared to compete
>implying the bard would settle for vanilla marriage
He's probably fricking dragons
Don't know if she'd want an overweight gay
I think for boys - I dunno if it's changed - when you see someone who's better than you, you wanna be that man. Why wouldn't you want to be Robin? He's charming, he's a hero, he's handsome, brave, resolute. In newer media, why would you want to be some dorky moron who seems to stumble into heroics rather than take them head-on? Even if, IDK, Po gets to be the dragon warrior or whatever and save the day, have you ever thought "damn, I wanna be this guy?" Would a boy want to be Po? I dunno, it's weird. I know Po is funny, he's not even a bad character, but these kids' movies are all the same now: here's a dorky fat moron and by being a dorky fat moron he becomes a hero.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Back when I was a kid I wanted to be Indiana Jones, because why the frick wouldn't I?
>It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage.
I want to use that one day.
Same. Frick, we need more genuine heroes. Who was the last one? Kid from HTTYD?
>Who was the last one? Kid from HTTYD?
He started as a dork, but underwent a classical hero's journey at least.
Man, I wish there were more protagonists like Jim from Treasure Planet. Inherently cool and good, but initially naive and irresponsible.
Jim was garbage, man. Brooding angsty teenager straight from high school.
>Anon, you're only 20 years old, how is your anus in such a terrible shape?
>why would you want to be some dorky moron who seems to stumble into heroics rather than take them head-on?
Because OMG HE'S JUST LIKE ME
>we need more genuine heroes
No, courage and masculinity are toxic. you will watch generic wish-fulfillment garbage featuring emasculated nobodies lucking out into the MC role (even if that negates the entire point of making them 'relatable') and you will like it.
Because blackpill has taught modern boys that they can never be chad. Modern boys don't think "I want to be that man", they think "I'm sad that I can't be that man".
Huh.
They knew what they were doing
It’s an edit
Would you kiss him and hold his hand?
No but I'd paint him a portrait
>Thanks for all the hard work from earlier! You're quite remarkable, you know.
>It's great you're working hard, but it's important to let your body rest, too.
>Haha, if you're ever nervous, feel free to hold my hand.
>That would relieve you a little bit, right?
Still love this movie's score.
Well, Cinemaphile, do you prefer good boys or bad boys?
I'd probably sleep with Nick a few times to get the bad boy out of my system, but ultimately would marry Robin.
A prostitute like you doesn't deserve Robin.
Robin deserves a wife who knows how to work a dick, not some virgin like Marian.
Hhhot.
Foxes are.
Despite being a pretty massive furgay I never saw it until a few years ago.
It was...fine. It's really hard to think of anything to say about it except that it had some cute designs. There was something about it that felt more like an art experiment than a movie with a plot, I never really felt like I was watching a cohesive story, just things happening.
>just things happening.
Same with Sword in the Stone.
It's like those anime "movies" where they cram scenes from the first 26 episodes in to 90 minutes.
Would still really like a proper series in this setting though.
My first thought was We're Back! A Dinosaur's Story. Now that shit was just a jumbled mess.
>Now that shit was just a jumbled mess.
It's a garbage story, but death of Professor Screweyes is some kino fricking shit. The whole film kinda feels like they had a bad writer but a really good storyboard guy.
It's not Disney's best, but it's chill. If it were on TV or something I would watch it and enjoy it. Judged as a post-Disney movie, I would say it's one of the better ones.
More or less every Robin Hood movie is just things happening
This is how being a troony starts.
Men are superior, deal with it.
>See a female
>immediately sperg about trannies
Get some help.
>see a male
>immediately need to trans it
Get some help.
I like how the animation itself has a lot of character, just like in Sword in the Stone. I think they had a lot of fun figuring out how all these characters are supposed to move
All the best animators were still in Disney when they worked on it.
I'm not surprised. There's an excellent sense of inertia to every motion that I don't see very often.
It's a super fun movie, but at the same time sort of forgettable.
The actual plot is forgettable as hell, but it has more memorable/funny/memetic lines than most Disney films at least in my language.
>The actual plot is forgettable as hell
What's forgettable about it? I'm not looking it up, but Robin is making assault to John's gold carriages, the Sheriff robs people of their savings, then John does this tournament thing and Robin dresses up to win the hand of Marian, he gets caught and sentenced to beheading, his buddies rescue him, John sets shit on fire, Robin saves Marian and flees with her. Richard comes, John is sent to prison, Robin gets married and taps that sweet vixen pussy.
:I don't remember anything from Zootopia except Judy gets har hands on the case with predators going nuts, she finds that the souce is some kind of flower, and frames Bellweather.
Ah, I mixed up Robin getting caught at the tournament with John imprisoning everyone for treason. Robin doesn't get rescued, he rescues Tuck from beheading. Aside of that, every scene makes sense and it fits. I don't remember shit about Zootopia which I've seen much later. Why was Judy on the lion's computer?
Why was Judy talking with the mafia boss? Why did Judy even get Nick to help her? I don't remember shit from that movie. I watched Robin Hood last time like 10 years ago.
She used Bellweather's computer to check security camera footage.
That wasn't Bellweather's computer, the keyboard was huge and she had to play Twister to type
That's a deleted scene that wasn't in the movie.
goddamn, I can see why I remember it
>ZPD uses macs
What the frick. I have never seen a competent PD use anything other than moron-proof and easily replaceable PCs running Win 7 or 10.
Pixar was founded in part by Steve Jobs.
I just think it's a fairly weak plot that mostly serves to string a bunch of excellent vignettes together. Compare with say The Lion King - that's a strong damn plot.
It's a very simple plot, but I wouldn't call it weak. A plot is weak when it has holes
in it. I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but in comparison, I can't remember a thing about Zootopia which is much more recent.
I've actually never seen the Lion King since I was already converted. Maybe I'll watch it tonight.
>A plot is weak when it has holes
I don't agree with that, I think the weakness/strength of a plot has to do with memorable story beats and flow rather than diligence. Besides, it's perfectly okay for a story to have a weak plot if it for example has strong characters or some sort of stylistic value, both of which Robin Hood has in my opinion.
Weak plot:
The Sword in the Stone
Aristocats
Brother Bear
Strong plot:
Pinocchio
Bambi
The Lion King
Note that a story can be very enjoyable even with a weak plot. I fricking love The Sword in the Stone for example.
All versions of Robin Hood are inferior compared to this cuddlebug.
Sir Hiss in particular is a funny little fricker
Furry gateway drug
right on time! Just watched it again yesterday and loved it. Simple, well animated, good fun, and a compelling love story.
then I watched Sleeping Beauty and realized that Disney-kino peaked in the 50s...
I've had Sleeping Beauty on my mind a lot lately thanks to those threads we've been having. Now I'll have Robin on my mind and want to write fanfics for HIM as well.
No. The best early Disney stuff overall is in the 30s and 40s. 50s had a few moments, but it wasn't the same.
1973 was 50 years ago.
Fox and the Hound has a really strong plot and even a lot of great themes.
I think it's better than the book its based on.
oh okay, i wish you all the best then anon.
both sound pretty kino, but you better have a compelling reason for making Aurora evil. If well written a continuing series about fox robin hood following them into adulthood would be a practically canonical addition
>but you better have a compelling reason for making Aurora evil.
The whole conceit is that they actually invite Maleficent to the Christening, and because she's a dark fae and even you winning still means you lose, she gifts herself as Aurora's personal tutor, and slowly brings her towards the dark arts.
sounds kinda neat, I'd read a comic or short story about it
decent movie
horrible fandom
god damn these are beautiful drawings
Maid Marian is the most underrated Disney waifu.
She's so beautiful
Those eyes are etched into my mind
Probably the exact moment I became a furry. So many feelings going through my 6 year old head at this scene when I first saw it.
Yeah anon it was that moment for everyone I think
Nala has nothing on Marian.
This plus the bathing with a chastity belt from Men In Tights, used to rotate those movies regularly
>Not a shocker we have a single mother epidemic and single mothers are ruining the USA. Women should have no rights and death to the israelites for giving them rights.
Holy fricking schizo Batman
Take your meds right now
>When your competition is shit like Aang from Avatar for example he looks good by comparison
Aang is a child and he's not a moron at all. He's just a monk, he is the way he is not because he's wimpy. He fricking reks Fire Nation soldiers right off the bat.
Good
Comfy
>it's Disney's Robin Hood which inspired Link much more
I came to this realization recently when I saw a drawing of a similar fox in an unusual style, and I couldn't tell if he was supposed to be Robin or the fox from Tunic (which is pretty much just Link as a fox).
Reminder that Marian hates gays.
>Only when he gets possessed by angry spirits.
In Episode 2 when Fire Nation soldiers attack the Water Tribe, Aang surrenders only because he doesn't want the others to get hurt. Once he's captive on the boat, he easily escapes, reks the guards with his hands tied, then he gets in Zuko's room, gets his staff and reks Zuko as well in close-quarters, where Zuko - who's a warrior and not a monk - fights at his best. He's not wimpy at all and he doesn't stumble into heroics like a bumbling idiot. He's a capable martial artist, shown time and time again to be a world-class airbender, and shown to be resourceful, smart, and generally a cool guy despite being a kid who still acts realistically like a kid.
Robin Hood is way more badass than either.
>This is fricking WAR you traitorous Norman Black person. The oppression and rape of the Saxon race won't be tolerated any longer *guerrilla kills 100 soldiers*
For anyone looking for the uncropped version for whatever reason, the "720p" version in YTS is actually an old 480p rip in 4:3.
Same frame in the 1080p rip from the Bluray.
There isn't a good version of this movie at the moment. The 1080p version has the picture cropped and filtered. The DVD version is OK, but very old.
You can get bluray+DVD+digital right now on Amazon for like 9 bucks. There might not be an ideal version but at least that way you don't have to agonize over it
I don't have a Blu-ray player 🙁
You can get DVD+Digital for the same price but since they're both the same you might as well just own all three formats even if the bluray has issues
Great designs, great opening song, awful, awful structure (three vignettes that aren't connected to each other, and only one of which even stars Robin Hood himself).
>three vignettes that aren't connected to each other
Vignettes make perfect sense here, as Robin Hood is a character with practically no timeline. I wish movies did it more.
I always wondered about the "reused animation" part.
So they just drew over old cels? Compared to digital today with its copypaste and now potentially AI stuff, that sounds far more laborious and demanding.
Pretty much. The executives thought it would save time and money but it really didn't because you still had to send people to the vaults to dig out all those old drawings, which used up just as much, if not more time than making new drawings would have
>What did they mean by this?
mods are scalies
I'd marry a sexy snek babe.
They've been pretty good about cleaning up some off topic shit. Or maybe those idiots were being too obvious.
Did anybody save this file? That mega was taken down sadly.
Interestingly, this made me realize that the "uncropped" version of
is slightly stretched
Compare pic related to the screencap from the post with the dead link
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1613/86/1613869150394.png
Probably tried to remove that black line on the right. Either way the YTS release is compressed as frick, but that anon's upload looks like an uncompressed DVD remux which I can't find anywhere anymore.
I also found PAL DVD on Rutracker which looks even slightly sharper than the NTSC one, though it's slightly more cropped on sides and it has the typical high pitched sound due to fps change.
The PAL transfer definitely looks more detailed and good looking despite that tiny crop, I'll do an x264 rip of it slowing it down back to native 23.976 fps and probably sync BluRay audio to it since the audio needs to be reencoded anyway for the fps change.
>all this autism about different versions and encodings
>just to enjoy a kids' movie
Why are companies run by suits with room temperature IQ who don't know the first thing about their products?
It's Disney. moronic decisions is their main business.
Speaking of the Bluray, for some inexplicable reason, the wanted poster is missing a huge chunk on the left but you can see a bit more of the curtain on the right, which means that the DVD wasn't really a full frame scan either.
Christ, what a clusterfrick. Why couldn't they release a normal version on streaming like they did with Black Cauldron
How's the Disney+ version?
Nice.
This is normal. The movie was shot on 1.37:1 film (Academy ratio) which gets slightly cropped on the sides in 4:3/1.33:1. If you present it in widescreen (which is actually how most people would have seen it in theaters in 1973) you can keep a little more of the sides.
A real full frame like pic related looks pretty wonky, as it includes the undrawn edges of cels and backgrounds. These always get cropped out by the projector matte.
That reminds me how Little Mermaid series which was obviously made for 4:3 aspect only have such undrawn parts in the widescreen HD release, shit's pretty funny.
Oh, interesting. I think I had never seen this, thanks Anon.
For comparison, here is the same frame on the NTSC DVD.
It has a little more image on the sides, probably because it was taken from the original camera negative or interpositive rather than a theatrical print.
Anon, you seem to love this movie very much. Just out of curiosity, are you the owner of a fursuit?
Alright so here's what I've put together from the best fullscreen PAL source:
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I've managed to change DVD video's fps into 23.976 with no reencoding so it's untouched. Also used BluRay's DTS for better quality, encoded it into AC3 448kbps. The film grain is very prominent here so any compression just makes it worse. Feel free to experiment with reencoding if you will, maybe it can be slightly improved with properly set Neat Video or something, but it's already the best existing source as it is.
Password?
If you're BASEd enough and younger than 64 I'm sure you can figure it out Anon.
I tried a bunch and they were all wrong. Doesn't matter, you got your attention.
Okay, so it's something in the base64, but what?
Am I expected to use a base64 decoder for every word in the dictionary, and multiple combinations of words, in both cases, just for a video?
Just ignore him and use a different rip. He's being a homosexual for attention so don't give it to him.
newbies never change
Thanks, Anon! I get that this is the same as
?
I just found out that MPC randomly takes screencaps with arbitrary color levels, which is pretty fricked up when you're trying to compare different versions of the same video.
Anyways, this definitely looks much better than the DVDrip from YTS, so it's much appreciated!
>the same as
I'm a moron, I didn't mean to say "the same as" when you literally said that you changed the frame rate, I meant to ask if that was the base or it was yet a different rip.
Yep, I used that DVD9 from Rutracker. It looks like you're using some auto deinterlacer. While the video has the typical interlace tag just like any DVD, the actual video is fully progressive and doesn't need it.
>Robin Hood thread
>No one posted the obligatory classic meme
Shame on you all.
Legit, high-bar film. A solid favourite of my folks, and my little sister loved it enough that she eventually wore out the VHS we had of it.
M'dad actually got the slgihtest touch sad when he found that out. He'd gotten that tape when it was new for my oldest brother.
Imagine how good things will never be.
>Robin: Six children?
>Marian: Six? Oh, a dozen at least!
Thirsty b***h.
I'd be thirsty too if I hadn't had a drink until marriage and then landed a tall drink of water like Robin.
True.
If Robin was a human in modern world what actor's appearance do you think would have suited him the most?
I don't understand, he's not a human.
Are you, by any chance, black?
a young Harrison Ford
Nice try, Disney, but we're not casting your live-action remake for you.
>they remake it with realistic CGI animals in costumes
You had your chance. Now don't blame Disney after. Don't say you weren't warned.
Literally nobody wants a live action remake.
Anthro remake no but if Disney sunk its money into a proper one with humans we could have gotten that instead of the last two big attempts with lol scripts (Russell Crowe's and Taron Egerton's)
Here's a novel idea: do a remake, but make it fully animated. A lot of people at Disney like the film (such as the director of Zootopia), so why not?
>Here's a novel idea: do a remake
I got an even better idea. Do the animated remake, but make it about an entirely different story that the studio hasn’t already covered. They used to do that all the time to great success, maybe they should try it again.
How much of the lgbt movement comes from kids cooming to Marian and Robin
What does that have to do with gays?
Both were a lot of people's first crush
And how they look somewhat similar might have additionally confused some people for the first time in that regard
the furgay community got pozzed by homos, not the other way around
>See traditional straight couple
>"Wow this must make people gay"
See
Nothing with them being a traditional straight couple or them as a couple in the first place
That's what social media brainrot does to people.
for
>furhomosexualry comes from social media
summergays pls
>You know somethin', Robin, I was just wonderin'? Are we good guys or bad guys? You know, I mean, uh... Our robbin' the rich to feed the poor.
>Rob? That's a naughty word. We never rob. We just sort of borrow a bit from those who can afford it.
>"Borrow"? Huh. Boy, are we in debt.
I don't like how Robin Hood is so often characterized as stealing from the rich. He stole from the government is the point.
And he didn't "steal" it because it was the people's money anyway.
Lots of reused assets but still a fun watch.
Special treat for you guys:
>Robin Hood (35mm print scan, 1080p)
https://mega.nz/folder/caUREbrI#C-V-zFdvOnqyChhb6y2oGw
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Keep in mind that while this print is generally in great shape, there are a number of short splices. It's possible to restore by using frames from another source like the DVD version, but matching the positioning will take some work.
Apart from that, this is by far the best I've ever seen this film look.
Daym, looks soulful.
Wow. Looks great. Though I'll probably re-encode it a bit smaller because 14GB is pretty huge.
Thank you, Anon! It's fantastic to have something like this.
Uh... anon, it's asking me for a password. Is there something I'm missing or am I just stupid?
Please help.
What's the password then?
That's what I'm asking!
Let's wait for an answer then.
Just open the MEGA link, ignore the magnet. (unless you want a torrent)
fun stuff. really good times. marian was cute as frick. the little rabbit kids were adorable. little john was a bro and a half. And the way they recycled some footage it actually looks like it cost more than if it had been original.
nah man, this is about big government taxing people into oblivion. You know who saved us from that shit? rich people. the mercantile class. THAT's whom "rich people bad" are trying to attack, because they want to bring guys like prince john BACK.
>You've stolen this man's ice pop
>What do?
Shoot it with a laser
Robin doesn't go "on the prowl" like some manprostitute, you bawd.
Robin hood steals girls from the chads and then keeps them.
How does Marian fall in love when he has a smaller wiener then the rest of the guys?
The FOP magic muffin is found by the first character you think of from the last Cinemaphile thing you saw, what happens?
Friar Tuck needed to chill the frick out.
Why
This movie is shit. All the jokes are the horny jokes and all the bad guys act like degenerates, especially the Prince John.
I can't describe my disappointment.
I can buy but it but ain't fricking French you wiener.
I'd buy the English version if I could find it. Twat.
Post Robin's and Marian's feet
Hot, thanks. Got a link to the full picture?
>siroc
Is some cuckoldry, isn't it?
Guess if this is the feet of male fox or female fox
I'm guessing female.
Those are shitty low-effort human feet, so probably female.
>Those are shitty low-effort human feet, so probably female.
So what would you've given her then?
Nothing, because I dont care about her.
A widow looks at you like this and asks how she could thank you.
What do you say?
If they made this today you know they'd put in a joke that boils down to
>maid
>marian
>pick one
It's short for Maiden. It doesn't have anything to do with being a house servant. In this context, maiden is really a substitute for Lady.
I know, but what is a "maiden" another word for?
Don't you dare.