Zack Snyder made Superman relevant for the first time in decades. Attempting to reboot the character is going to end in disaster. Batman is a lot easier to reboot. There have been several successful incarnations of Superman. But in the big budget movie space, there's basically Man of Steel, and nothing else.
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Every flying scene, every super-speed scene, every fighting scene, and pretty much every VFX or stunt heavy scene will be compared to MoS and come up inferior. We've seen how James Gunn handle characters like Superman in GotG3. It was Black Adams tier.
Nobody will remember MoS, fondly or otherwise, and nobody will miss Snyder. No matter how bad future movies will be.
Seethe forever, snydertard
Eh. Batman v. Superman is bad enough to be remembered forever to be honest. It's one of the worst big-budget films ever made.
>Nobody will remember MoS, fondly or otherwise
The movie was released back in 2011.
And I didnt' remember it existed until OP made this post.
Eh like people remember Mac & Me. So zero, but we remeber it being bad
Its been 10 years since its release and you're in a thread with 200 replies seething about it, terrible bait
>every week made abait thread about bad moviebeing secretly good
>people remember it existed only then and btfo OP.
>snyder tard: look people! this movie is being discussed!
ahahaahahahahahahahah 10 years and you half a dozen of morons are still so embarassing
>nooooooooooooo, you cant remember it like that, thats not real rememberin'!
>Every flying scene, every super-speed scene, every fighting scene, and pretty much every VFX or stunt heavy scene will be compared to MoS
By you and nobody else
>this cgi bukkake is better that that cgi bukkake
lol
When the reboot flops, seething comic-cucks will blame Snyder for "poisoning the brand".
Good morning sir!
It's ironic. Batman was originally conceived as a darker Superman clone. Decades later, Superman would be reimagined as a darker Batman clone.
Nah, Batman was heavily inspired by earlier detective heroes, mainly The Shadow. There was even an episode of the old animated show that parodied him.
But people who definitely aren't disney shills told me that he was le man of murder and too sad because apparently we want a boyscout.
What? Of course Superman Returns was shit but that was because I don't remember it. What are you trying to say?
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!
DC released an animated movie where Superman was le wholesome daddy figure coupled with John Williams score and everything but nobody went to watch it.
Was that the reason? Not that it was a cg movie about super pets?
It was a movie about dogs in capes
>Superman's dog's movie failed, that means audiences love Zack Snyder
>MoS, BvS and ZSJL all did really well
>That means audiences hate Snyder
BvS is one of those cases where we have no way of knowing how the director's cut would have fared in theatres, and people who hate Snyder don't really care about the thought exercise.
Man of Steel and BvS have some of the steepest 2nd weekend drops among comic book films of all time and the Snyder Cut of JL was a complete outright bomb on streaming.
>and the Snyder Cut of JL was a complete outright bomb on streaming.
That's a straight up lie.
Sure, Deborah.
2001 HBO Max Streaming #s:
MK; 3.8
GVK: 3.6
TSS: 2.8
The Matrix 2.8
Space Jam 2.1
Dune 1.9
ZSJL 1.8
Conjuring 1.6
Awful.
First WB never released the streaming numbers for ZSJL.
Second even SambaTV agreed that on their devices ZSJL did well.
Third you're comparing movies that were released on HBO Max months after the streaming service had debuted, thus the difference big gap in the subscription numbers.
Everyone and their dog knows WB had an unusually huge hate boner for the Snyder cut and did everything they could to sabotage it. Including cutting its post-production time in half, leaking it with Tom and Jerry and then refusing to release numbers.
But apparently not more than Mortal Kombat, Matrix 4, Dune, Space Jam 2, etc. And that's just HBO Max.
Show your source.
Notice how it was steadily increasing toward March and then it fricking cratered. lol
do not redeem the snyderget sirs
This is the most blessed get in Cinemaphile history.
There is no God but Snyder and Armond is his prophet.
I skipped through the Snyder cut this weekend and it was hilariously bad yet kino. Marvel is boring quipshit. DC is boring, washed out colors cringe serious
Nice numbers
sir plz show b00000bs
>no source
>"just trust me bro"
You are full of shit. And extremely dishonest when it comes to the Snyde cut. How the frick can you call it s bomb when in most markets it HBO max wasn't even out? It was a huge hit in the ppv market, and the most rented movie in digital services
>You are full of shit.
And you are delusional. Synder will never work on a DC property again. And thank god for that.
Working on a DC property is basically special ed tier nowadays
Not to mention that it was a huge hit as video on demand on the streaming service outside of the US where HBO Max didn't exist yet.
When Zack Snyder's Justice League was released HBO Max was at its infancy. The streaming service was available only in the US.
Meanwhile ZSJL at the time was the most watched film in the history of Canada's respective streaming service "Crave". The same can be said for India's streaming service "Binge" as well. It also had the biggest opening for any film on Russia's streaming service "Кинoпoиcк".
>“High-demand programming like Zack Snyder’s Justice League, the #1 title ever on Crave, boosted total Crave subscribers 12 percent year over year to 2.9 million,” Bell outlined in its Q1 2021 quarterly earnings report.
Don't forget China's streaming services, where it was a huge success.
It actually did over a billion views in China. I had a link but I accidentally deleted it. I promise it's not fake news, though.
Better get the source otherwise the dipshits will call you a liar. That's why i have the receipts saved.
Hang on, I'm doctoring one up right now.
It really is the greatest film of all time
WB can't get more incompetent than having HBO max finance a 70m movie with the intention of bringing new subscribers, just to release the movie before the streaming service is out in most markets and then question why the movie didn't bring enough new subscribers. I watched the movie in HBOgo, it was free with my cable sub, pretty sure it was the same for most of northern europe where most of the yuro Snydergays live, i remember Australians and hispanics complaining the movie was just 1080 in those markets.
I doubt hbo max can even out outside America, cause WB already sold streaming rights to locals.
Yeah. In Germany the Snydercut is on Netflix.
>the Snyder Cut of JL was a complete outright bomb on streaming.
why would someone just lie on the Internet?
yes, why would they? 🙂
WB fired Snyder 7 years ago, and he's still getting blamed for DC's 7 years of failures. A Spider-Man nogtroony cartoon is a smash hit, a DC heckin dog movie would have printed money if a competent studio worked on it
It was about fricking pets and superman is barely in it numb nuts.
It was an animated dog movie. Not a Superman movie. Also, Dwayne Johnson is becoming box office poison now.
Couldn't be arsed not to genocide a whole planet when he's got interstellar travel and a machine that turns a planet into his. It's just mustache twirling villainy.
He was getting there by the time of ZSJL. It seems to me like people expected Donner 2.0. or Superman to be fully formed as a character immediately.
>He was getting there
Frick that. It doesn't take five fricking movies to establish a classic Superman. This is why the Whedon cut is superior. Superman actually acts like Superman and even stops in the middle of the fight to go rescue civilians.
>This is why the Whedon cut is superior
Kek.
Hmm, I'll take a random example. How about the resurrection of Superman.
Whedon cut:
>Bruce comes up with the idea to resurrect Superman, everyone else is kind of uncomfortable with it, Diana protests fiercely
>kino and soulful exchange between Barry and Vic when they're digging up Superman's body
>kino moment of Diana telling Bruce "I'm only here for him" when they're waiting outside the crash site
>Batman understands how dangerous the plan is and has Lois on stand-by as a contingency plan
>"You won't let me live... but you won't let me die" absolute kino dialog from Superman before he annihilates Batman
Meanwhile, the Snyder cut:
>everyone randomly comes up with the idea of resurrecting Superman at the same time and they're all just okay with it
>bland, forgettable dialog between Barry and Vic at the cemetary, Arthur and Diana just stand there and watch for some reason
>fifteen minutes of pointless Star Labs bullshit when they get to the crash site
>pointless Knightmare bullshit
>Batman is "operating purely on faith" and has no contingency whatsoever for if something goes wrong
>it does
>Batman's gauntlet can somehow stop Superman's heat vision
>no dialog from Superman
>Batman helplessly cowers in fear as he is about to be lasered to death
>NOOOOO CLARK DON'T DO THIS!!! THIS ISN'T YOU!! from fricking Batman of all people
>Lois randomly shows up and Superman fricks off
>This wasn't even part of Batman's plan, for all he knew he was facing certain death and did nothing
>also Cyborg's dad an heroes for some reason
Apologize.
lmao literally deranged ramblings dettached from reality
>no argument
kek. Enjoy that fricking moronic Amazonian lamentation chant that plays every five minutes.
Your fricked up interpretation isn't reality.
There's legitimately not a single scene Whedon improved. Even the Elfman score was cringe.
>There's legitimately not a single scene Whedon improved
I just posted one. Also the way they defeat Steppenwolf in the Whedon cut is better and more fitting for the DC characters.
>I just posted one
Not possible since there isn't one. The movie's ratings speak for themselves.
>"You won't let me live... but you won't let me die"
I'm far from a Snyder apologist but come on. That line made zero sense. For Superman to utter that line it would mean for him to be more than confused about what's going on after being resurrected. It would imply he remembers Batman and everything that happened during BvS, which would also imply he has turned heel and is willing to kill Batman and/or blames him for his demise.
In the Snyder Cut, he's just confused and doesn't remember anyone and he lashed out at them because Cyborg attacked him first. When he sees Batman, he sorta remembers him but probably doesn't remember where does the animosity he feels towards him comes from.
Why do you post that image? You think Snyder Cut Cyborg was good? Fricking kek it's the worst depiction of a comic book character ever made. Booyah is his fricking catchphrase. Oh boo hoo, Joss made the token Black person say one fricking word. lol. lmao at Snydercucks
He's an infinitely better character in the Snyder Cut. There's no point in adding useless characters in the JL just to fill a quota.
>I am... le depressed!
>my dad is... le dead? OH NO NO NO THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!
Yeah, real great characterization. I don't need to spend an hour of my life watching the origin of fricking Cyborg. Joss rightly recognized the character for the useless piece of shit he was and delegated accordingly. I'll take Whedon Cyborg any day.
>I'll take Whedon Cyborg any day.
So an even more useless character who can be cut from the movie altogether. Meanwhile, you couldn't do that in ZSJL because at the very least, the entire League's survival depended on Flash and Cyborg working together.
I'm not really a fan of Cyborg in any form of media, but he was better here than in a lot of the source material. As far as I'm concerned, there was no need for him to ever be made a member of the JL, but that's a done fact now.
They wouldn't have found Steppenwolf, or stopped the Unity, in the Whedon cut without Cyborg. The point is, the character is inherently absurd and has to be treated with a bit of tongue in cheek. Watching four hours of mopey grim homosexual robot Black person is just not my idea of a good time.
>movies should just mollycoddle me and be fun or comedic at all times
Stick to Nickelodeon then.
Because it's a stupid line that doesn't make sense and comes out of nowhere.
Batffleck never said "I'M BATMAN". Superman never said "For Justice, Truth and the American Way". Catchphrases are not necessary other than to make morons like you giddy and warm in their panties.
It's a black robot man in a movie based on children's cartoon characters. It makes perfect sense in context and the audience was expecting it. But lemme guess, you'd rather see Batman get raped in prison. LOL
You're underestimating children's intelligence if you think even they can't appreciate more depth than paper thin useless characters.
You just have the consoomer mindset and you wouldn't get it.
You're right. I'm just too fricking stupid to understand the complexity of Snyder's genius. Seeing Martha leave Lois's appartment and turn into a green alien man... mwah. Cinema. So fricking good.
There's no need for such an action to be anything other than simple, it's like suggesting a character tying their shoes should be complex.
The point here is more about characterization.
If all of your heroes are just soulless cardboard cutouts who punch robots for 2 hours, you haven't made a very good movie.
>If all of your heroes are just soulless cardboard cutouts who punch robots for 2 hours, you haven't made a very good movie.
Then I guess the Snyder Cut is two not very good movies. There is unironically more humanity and soul in the Whedon cut. I'm not memeing or being contrarian. I guess Cinemaphile just isn't ready.
>There is unironically more humanity and soul in the Whedon cut
It's the most soulless film in his career, granted, it's not entirely his film.
Avengers also relies almost entirely on the fact that it's the first major ensemble movie.
It hasn't aged well and the Russos outdid Whedon, especially in Infinity War.
He gives a sitcom quality to his movies and shows which only works in some contexts.
>Avengers also relies almost entirely on the fact that it's the first major ensemble movie.
It is a horrible second watch.
There's a guy on Cinemaphile who likes to spam this webm but it really encapsulates Whedon's output.
The novelty of the concept was the main reason why this was held in high regard.
>There is unironically more humanity and soul in the Whedon cut.
Kek. You Snydergays are so pathetic.
bro he cashed in a quick check
the 4 hour cut is where the real passion is, whether you hate it or not
>This is why the Whedon cut is superior
Let's just say thet they were both garbage
>strip everything from a character and giv it back iìto him bit and piecesuntil he get to the starting point in 5 movies. Except the journey was superfluos, dogshit and the result is nothing like what it was meant to be.
No thanks.
>It seems to me like people expected Donner 2.0. or Superman to be fully formed as a character immediately.
To you. People just don't want what snydershit wanted to do
>Zack Snyder made Superman relevant for the first time in decades
Believing this is why your movies weren't good, Zack.
Whether you like the Goyer/Snyder/Nolan version of Superman or not, Man of Steel was the first time since the original Superman film that the character was taken seriously again.
Singers film took them seriously but it was just bad
Audiences didn't take Singer Superman seriously because it came across as super gay, and very silly.
>it came across as super gay
It's what happens when gay directors hire actors with twink builds
>taken seriously
>MMMMMARRRRTHAAAAAA
He was a joke. Snyder didn't make him relevant, he just made the first movie with him in a number of years, riding on Nolan's coattails.
The movie is called Man of Steel because of The Dark Knight.
>The movie is called Man of Steel because of The Dark Knight.
It is called Man of Steel because it is mostly inspired by John Byrne's comic runs.
It is nothing like Byrne's run, you fricking casual.
Krypton is a decadent and barren place, kryptonians live deterministic and sexless lives, birthing matrix is something that exist, Clark Kent spent a number of years living as a nomad before moving to Metropolis, Lois Lane is a redhead, kryptonians have sci-fi explanations for their powers, Black Zero spaceship... i could go on.
Byrne's run is the one where Pa Kent lives. Any superficial shit you can list pales in comparison with Clark Kent being a broody tortured loner vs a well adjusted man full of his family's love and support.
For whatever reason David Goyer decided to model Pa Kent on Mark Waid's Superman: Birthright.
It's all based on Birthright. Pa Kent dies, Clark does the nomad thing and the climax is against an alien that causes a lot of destruction. In Man of Steel, Superman has Lex Luthor, Bizarro and the final issue is him rejecting Jor El and Krypton after his hologram malfunctions and he appears as a ghost to give him knowledge of his alien culture, it's a much smaller scale.
MoS the movie is Birthright with the emo bullshit from Earth One.
>In Man of Steel, Superman has Lex Luthor, Bizarro and the final issue is him rejecting Jor El and Krypton after his hologram malfunctions and he appears as a ghost to give him knowledge of his alien culture, it's a much smaller scale.
But MoS doesn't just take from the mini-series alone but several other shit Byrne wrote, like World of Krypton.
Again, it takes superficial things but the core character of Superman is nothing like Byrne's.
What about kinoville?
Smallville was great, and it deserves more credit than it gets, but it's kind of a demonstration of the limitations of TV vs film. That Superman & Lois TV show on the CW is okay, too. But it's not Man of Steel. It's not a movie that anyone can watch. A lot of people aren't into putting all that investment needed to follow a TV show.
>LANA PLEASE DON'T FRICK THIS BALD MANLET
>LAAAAANAAAAAA
People don't actually like Superman. They like the Superman logo, so WB confuses this with popularity and they expect a Superman movie to do a billion like Batman. He can't and won't.
I think it's more a problem that Hollywood keeps doing origin stories for Batman and Superman. Everyone and their grandma already knows their origin. Alien raised as a wholesome, Kansas corn farmer and a rich boy who saw his folks gunned down in front of him. One is truth and justice and the other is vengeance.
Vengeance resonates with audiences more because of how shitty our country has become. People wish they could do something about it. But they feel powerless, so, like all humans, we turn to our heroic stories. And because of what Batman stands for, vengeance, people identify with him more. Batman is currently more popular than Supes because of the state of the country. If life were good, like in the 80s before inflation wasn't out of control and our escapes weren't plagued with a constant barrage of propaganda. If the people were genuinely happy and satisfied, Superman would be more popular.
I posit that the whole Batman Vs. Superman argument is a thermometer of a society's overall level of health. Like how frogs are a keystone species, which ever caped crusader is currently favored tells you all you need to know about a society.
Batman favored
>poor economy, shrinking or little upward mobility
>out of control crime, including but not limited to drug surges and violence
>growing gang power/numbers
>distrust of authority figures / apathetic responses from law enforcement
>people crave media where a brave and powerful hero punishes evil
>most Batman stories involve more down to earth problems, like the ones listed above
Superman favored
>good economy, most folks getting "their fair share" of the pie
>crime is mostly under control, drug ODs and violence are exceptions to prove the rule
>gangs dissolve or try to go under the radar
>police and other authority figures are viewed as trustworthy
>people crave media where a brave and powerful hero protects the innocent
>most Superman stories involve external threats like aliens and rogue asteroids
You're on to something, I recall reading years ago how you could ascertain which party was in control of government by the popularity of vampire vs. zombie movies. I would bet a thesis that batman/superman correlate with citizen sentiment.
Wrong.
Superman 1978 made $1.3 billion
Man of Steel made $850 million
Batman vs. Superman made $1.1 billion
Superman has always been an A List name. But people aren’t going to go see any movie now unless it’s epic, high quality, and rewards the viewer for watching
>Superman has always been an A List name.
Where Superman II, III, IV, and Superman Returns?
>Zack Snyder made Superman relevant for the first time in decades.
He did. Last time he was popular was back when Brandon Routh was Superman.
When Gunn's Superman fails is when people will realize what they've lost.
>dat second week drop off
Lol
Seems like a ton of people were very interested in a new Superman movie but a ton of people did not like new Superman movie. Oh well. Hopefully the next reboot turns out better.
Zack Snyder is the peak of midwittery. Zack Snyder is popular the way people like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson are popular. They are the midwit's idea of intelligence. And by sheer volume of morons created by modern culture, this brings them to the top because there are more idiots than people of any discernment.
At least Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson can form complete sentences without stuttering like an imbecile
Couldn't have put it better myself.
This is just hipster cope
Snydergays know all about cope
cope with what? the privilege of being a fan of the greatest movie ever made??
You joke, but there are autists out there that base their whole personality around worshipping this this cringelord and his trash. It's the most pathetic thing ever.
Yeah, we coped for 4 years then got what we wanted, our director's cut.
Seethe
Then why are you still so angry?
I'm not, I shill Zaddy for free
except not even midwits like his shit.
his fans are sub 80 IQ who things they are 140 IQ
You are the stupid person here eh. Just saying.
angry meltdown
Why does his suit have the texture of a basketball?
We want to see superman catching crashing helicopters and planes and intercepting missiles and shit, and when he fights another supervillain, he should crack the concrete and leave a visible dint, not plough straight through it like its made of fricking matchsticks.
Everytime he takes off or lands he's reducing roads and pavements and buildings to rubble.
Only gay nerds want all that scifi multiverse pseud garbage, the rest of us just want a flying dude stopping planes from crashing with a memorable costume on.
>catching crashing helicopters and planes and intercepting missiles and shit
He blasted through a drone and caught a fricking spaceship in BvS
>and when he fights another supervillain, he should crack the concrete and leave a visible dint, not plough straight through it like its made of fricking matchsticks.
So you want him weaker?
homosexuals like you want the worst shit, you're basically asking for a b-lister who wouldnt be able to do something like pic related.
>powerlevel gay
>I want capeshit to be less exciting
>THINGS GO BOOM BOOM ZOWIE WOWIE
>The flying man is too strong, can you tone it down please?
Sorry b***h, Superman should be able to push planets and karate chop tungsten in half, take yo soiboi ass to the gym and you might be able to understand this one day
Yes, I value good storytelling amd resourceful heroes over "jUsT lIfT iT lOl."
Only weak dyel homosexuals want a superhero with infinite strength because carrying a whole building is as far away to you as benching your own bodyweight.
>carrying a whole building is as far away to you as benching your own bodyweight.
Ah yes, I forgot there is a direct inverse correlation to a character's strength and the enjoyability of the narrative he inhabits
have a nice day moron
doing Pic related isn't actually that hard. It's a ~5-6,000 ton icebreaker being dragged through water and ice by a chain. The coefficient of static friction between ice and steel is an incredibly low 0.03, so just multiply that by the normal force, or the weight, and you get 150 tons of force being required to move that thing. Which isn't even the same as lifting 150 tons. For context the coefficient for tire wheels on dry asphalt is 0.8., so moving a ~1.5 ton car on the road (which I have to believe you've done before yourself) takes 1.2 tons. Yeah Superman doesn't even have to be 200 times strong as you. It's the same reason why strongmen can pull trains and planes.
In general if you made Superman massively weaker it'd barely look any different visually because he only shows his "real strength" like 3-4 times in these movies to the point they come off as outliers. Namely only being killed rather than vaporized by the nuke, carrying that building, and the two big shockwaves he creates in the Zod fight.
FYI Snyder explicitly said he wanted to make Superman held-back and weaker and said stuff like he can't fly much faster than Mach 1 (and even then only after a lot of acceleration), lifting that beam on the rig pushed him to his limit, and that a cruise missile hit is something that could potentially kill him. He just sucked at showing it.
Ok sure, it might not be that hard, but to an physics uneducated mind (ill unapologetically admit i qualify) something like pulling a tanker with a chain looks like god like strength, while the other guy is basically asking "when you fall down can you leave little cracks in the concrete, we dont want you to be strong enough to damage the infrastructure too much"
Its a matter of magnitude of spectacle
>He blasted through a drone and caught a fricking spaceship in BvS
yawm, mabe put that shit in a good movie? maye one that doesn't shit on the mc?
Superman needs to be handled as a Nolan Batman style standalone trilogy, one with the tone of the Raimi Spider Man films, and like the Raimi films, the universe gets progressively darker and with higher stakes.
First film is the origin story, "Superman Begins", and is about Clark Kent moving to Metropolis and getting comfortable in his own skin as Superman. The villains are Lex Luthor, who secretly funds criminals to depress Metropolis real estate values so he can snatch up swaths of the city on the cheap, and Metallo, one of his top enforcers who is inadvertently mortally wounded by Superman as he stops him from robbing a bank or whatever and gets rebuilt into a Kryptonite-powered cyborg to give Luthor a real weapon against Superman. Just as Clark learns to master his powers and truly get comfortable as Superman, also gains the confidence to snag Lois Lane by the end of the movie.
Second film is Superman vs Brainiac, the sentient Kryptonian hyperintelligence who comes to earth to add it to his domain. Brainiac joins forces with Lex Luthor, who escaped punishment at the end of the first film and wants to try and pull a fast one on the alien android and steal his advanced technology. Brainiac knows exactly who Superman is and zeroes in on Clark's personal life and friends to dissuade him from fighting back. There's a massive action setpiece in which the Daily Planet is destroyed and Lois Lane is kidnapped and Perry and Jimmy are left for dead. Climax is an action setpiece involving Brainiac's ship over Smallville after Brainiac goes after Clark's parents. The theme is Clark having to choose between the immense burden of being Superman and the comfortable distraction of his regular life as Clark Kent with his friends and family. Brainiac backstabs Luthor and he and Superman become reluctant allies as they join forces to take on Brainiac together.
Third film is Superman and Lex Luthor vs Darkseid and the New Gods. Believing that the key to the anti-life equation is hiding somewhere in the Fortress of Solitude or the databanks of Brainiac's crashed starship outside Smallville, the New God comes to conquer Earth. The stakes are upped, metropolis is nearly destroyed, and Superman manages to thread the needle between being the Man of Steel and Clark Kent and the movie ends with him vowing to rebuild the city with the help of New Genesis so that Clark and the people of Metropolis can have their old lives back. Lots of people die, including Luthor who ends his arc as a hero of mankind because he carries out a suicide attack on Darkseid's ship or whatever.
your trilogy doesn't sound too bad. I'd watch.
Why didn't Superman just give him the codex and help Zod find an uninhabited, Class M planet to terraform? Probably take like ten minutes.
Because Superman didn't knew how and because that wouldn't have stopped General Zod.
>Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people.
So not causing universal strife that will haunt his people and be in general a huge waste of time is the greater good, but not doing a basic fricking scan of the Milky Way that even Earth technology is capable of, let alone Kryptonian, is not?
So Zod was just a moron? Why was there so much buildup of apprehension in killing him then? Just gut him and be done with it. This is literally just stupid ass DBZ writing, same with the "fight" choreography. Except Saiyans were at least honest about enjoying the work and didn't try to justify it.
Nothing about Man of Steel's writing makes any sense.
>So not causing universal strife that will haunt his people and be in general a huge waste of time is the greater good, but not doing a basic fricking scan of the Milky Way that even Earth technology is capable of, let alone Kryptonian, is not?
Since you used a quote from the movie, here another:
>Superman : If Krypton lives again, what happens to Earth?
>General Zod : A foundation has to be built on something.
What that tells us? That Earth had the necessary shit for the terra-formation, whereas other planets they found didn't. That's why the movie take time to show General Zod and his crew travels throughout space where they find outpost after outpost with nothing but dead kryptonians after Krypton blew up. Because those planets weren't sustainable requiring continuous resources from the mother planet.
>has to be built on something
Like what? Would the big gay laser not destroy it? The only "something" would be Terran's civilization, their infrastructure, but MoS Zod was going to destroy it all and turn Earth into... well... something.
It's almost like the writing makes no sense and as a result makes Clark and Zod look equally stupid.
Firstly, the World Engine can't make a lasting, self sufficient Krypton, without a foundation to build upon (a world that is self-sufficient and can sustain Kryptonian life without being terraformed).
1/7.
I don't understand why the Snyderverse didn't continue?? The movies clearly did amazing numbers and people clearly liked them. Are WB just...STUPID??? :O
It did mid numbers compared to Marvel when it still had good faith. After BvS only Aquaman and Wonder Woman were well received, the others were dragged down by the earlier movies being shit.
And the Snyder cut got views because people were locked indoors and starved for content.
>the others were dragged down by the earlier movies being shit.
Always this same excuse when WB execs gave press and more press releases calming everyone that movies like Shazam and Wonder Woman 84 were as different from Zack Snyder's DC movies as you could get.
>filmmaker makes bad movie
>second filmmaker makes bad movie
>"see! First filmmaker was good"
No, dumbass. They're both bad. Different and bad.
>filmmaker makes movie you think is bad
>movies after do fine
>filmmaker leaves
>movies nearly immediately shit the bed
>filmmaker leaves
>movies nearly immediately shit the bed
It's like pottery.
Aquaman did the best and it's not a Snyder movie, gay. Wan mogged him hard.
>shills pretending for the billionth time that Wan didn't actively work with Snyder on Aquaman
Don't you ever get tired of repeating these well-known lies? Wan has explicitly gone on record about Snyder's involvement and how thoroughly Aquaman is a part of the Snyderverse.
Cope and sneedthe, snyder had his hands in every successful slice of pie
He's not credited, a phonecall is not involvement, cope harder Snydershill.
>n-no, if you arent on official payroll you literally had nothing to do with something
Yeah, shill, that's how it works. If you work on a movie, you get paid and credited. I know you don't know how money works, living off your mom at home, but that's what it's like.
>People want to see dc movies becasue nolan movies were good.
>People don't want to see dc movies anymore because snyder movies were bad
cope
if he wasn't bad the dceu wouldn't have been panned per public and critics
>if he wasn't bad the dceu wouldn't have been panned per public and critics
But the least profitable movies all had great critical reception. Explain that one, Einstein.
Both audience and critics disliked it. Literally everyone agreed about it being bad.
Critics can be shill, audience can be shitlikers, but when literally everyone agrees maybe there is some truth to it
Btw new movies can be bad on their own term (they are), but unlike snydershit they lache thee goodwill caused by previous well liked movies
Sure, go back to watching your female reboot of Ghostbusters.
>no argument whatsoever
>if you don't like dogshit A it means you like dogshit B
Concession accepted. Now you can sit down
They performed below expectations for the biggest Superhero IPs on the planet and afterwards people wised up that what'd come later was more Snyder, so those made even less.
Not making a billion dollars with a movie that has Superman and Batman is an embarrassment.
>and afterwards people wised up that what'd come later was more Snyder, so those made even less.
We're talking about DC movies made by new executives that were constantly promising the public that their movies were bright and fun exactly like the MCU movies. Movies that had great critical reception because critics agreed that these movies were "fun" and "woke".
People don't follow studio news for movies. They just hear it's in continuity with these other movies that sucked.
There is no one more 'woke' than Snyder.
Sometimes he's woke in a good way
Amazons were laughable disasters in all versions, most of all in Snydercut.
The fact that that scene existed in the original cut made me despise Snyder.
you are a disaster, anon
how 2 get amazon gf
>uhm, actually, the DC was successful for 4 years because the nolan name carried it that long
>uh, uh, they immediately stopped because they all had a switch flipped and realised they dont want to watch anymore
how do people like you function
Aquaman started after he left and it's the most successful one.
Han had the right idea to just make a bunch of separate multiverse shit. Joker is also a DC movie and that pulled a billion while being rated R.
Aquaman relies heavily on pretty visuals. It's nothing special at all as a superhero flick.
James Wan is good at one of two things, Saw and Fast and Furious. He brought the latter to an underwater setting, and yes, it worked for that film.
It's what people wanted out of a superhero movie that's why it's more successful than any Snyder movie.
Masses are not exactly hard to please but you lose all innovation or opportunity for kino if you give them the same thing over and over.
The MCU formula worked for a while, but even that doesn't last forever. Aquaman took more of an MCU approach than a Snyder approach, and it paid off, but not everyone cares just about box office.
Shazam looks so stupid. His face looks 60 and then they put him in a muscle suit but you still see his thin neck. Shit is just off-putting.
>acts like a moronic kid in his Captain Marvel form
>acts like a wise sage in his Billy Batson form
DC really is just that moronic.
Warner Bros panicked because BvS got bad reviews and only made like 800 million dollars. So they took Justice League, which had finished filming, and fricked it with reshoots. That was when everything went wrong.
>800 million dollars
Wtf? I didn't know it did that poorly. Why did it do so bad, especially since they had Batman in it too?
It'll never stop being funny how much money they burned reshooting Justice League only to drop $70m more on it 5 years later. Just put Snyder's version in theaters in 2017, eat the losses, reboot
I think that Snyder's version in theatres in 2017, a cut maybe 2.5 or 3 hours long would have blown audiences away. They made a huge mistake, and they're still paying for it.
The Flash is underperforming hard, and part of it is that it lacks the sense of awesomeness that ZSJL had. That scene where Flash goes back in time in Snyder's cut is insane. It's like peak cinema shit. You can't believe what you're seeing. Audiences would have lost their minds in theatres. And it was one of the first things WB cut when Whedon took over.
>I think that Snyder's version in theatres in 2017, a cut maybe 2.5 or 3 hours long would have blown audiences away.
It would have grosses even less than the Whedon cut due to the length alone.
I don't buy this argument. The Whedon cut was a shit movie and it made money.
>Batman is a lot easier to reboot.
You know, in hindsight it's kind of damning that Nolan's Batman, and the knock-off that is Snyder's Batman, still remain. The Nolan Trilogy is Batman to most people. The definitive Batman Trilogy, with the Snyder version being a deconstruction of that version.
Remember when they made a movie called The Batman with Paul Dano? And nobody cares about it a year later? Remember when it was this big hyped up Batman movie, and people were talking about how it was gonna wash away the bad taste of Batman v Superman or whatever? Then that didn't happen because The Batman was actually boring as frick? And nobody cares.
frick capeshit and everyone thats still watching it.
Snyder's capeshit is good, though. Because no jokes or something.
>. Because no jokes or something.
yeah, it' just embarassing in its own peculiar way
Cavill only had one solo movie, in the Snyderverse that we ended up with Superman's arc was about joining the Justice League. Gunn can make a solo series that's about Superman
I thought all the DCEU movies were bad. Even the successful ones.
The Whedon cut was better.
>simping this hard for capeshit
have a nice day
2/7.
The other colonial outposts failed as they weren't built upon such foundations.
3/7.
4/7.
If any of the outposts had been built upon such foundations, the Kryptonians settlers wouldn't have been all dead by the time Zod found them. Mars, being neither habitable nor self-sufficient, is out of the question as it has the same qualities as the outposts
5/7.
Snyder cultists may not be the biggest group of obsessive weirdos on the internet, but they're definitely the most interesting.
6/7.
Earth has not only housed a Kryptonian for 33 years, but also another species, humanity, who are similar to Kryptonians in appearance and intelligence, for millions of years
7/7.
It’s funny how you can’t do the whole “da aeg of myfs am comin back!” thing anymore, as everyone knows that snyder’s plan was “so uh, yeah, the Greek/Roman pantheon and Hindu gods were all from krypton and all superpowers are kryptonian genes.”
Why are you talking about an unexplored idea David Goyer and Zack Snyder had when Man of Steel was being thought as a stand-alone trilogy? Snyder himself said that this idea was discarded right in the beginning, because by the time he decided to include Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice he made the conscious choice to give up on any sci-fi element that MoS originally had.
It’s fun to bring up to watch snydergays cope and seethe.
How am i coping and seething? homie, i was watching the watch-along stream because Snyder's DC is my jam and watching the MoS while hearing comments from my peeps is cool as frick.
The original idea in fact wasn't so much to have the Greek gods be descendants of the ancient kryptonians that came to Earth millennia ago as shown in MoS, but to have humanity itself descent from those kryptonians. That's how Goyer thought Superman and Lois Lane relationship could work. They'd be able to date, marry, and procreate because us humans are partly kryptonian after all.
Of course this will never be explored because WB interfered and decided that adding Batman and the rest of the DC characters was the way to go.
Superman Legacy will do half of the box office Man of Steel did. People don't care about classic Superman, we aren't in the 70's anymore.
People don't care about Superman, period.
I can't wait for this to happen and then Gunn and all the shills to compare its box office against Iron Man 1 and explain that franchises need time to grow
Someone had to say it.
There were perfect things. Diamond absolutes.
The final reason is because Earth was Jor-El's selection. Zod respected Jor as Krypton's foremost scientist and wanted his help to revive Krypton, and the fact that Jor chose Earth among all available habitable planets would've factored into Zod's calculations
A true Snyderologist. I kneel.
Thank you. Thank you.
Goddamn, i miss when movies where made on film. There is a certain look and feel to it.
This isn't something really in question if you actually watched the movie. Zod was fighting his ideological battle with Jor El through Superman on earth, that was the emotional core of the conflict
You're correct. General Zod was still bitter that Jor not only turned his back on him, but became one of the "degenerates" by having a secret baby the old way. Zod was always going to torture and kill Superman. It wasn't just even about the codex alone.
I've never seen a Snyder film other than 300 and I don't read comics. Would I like Man of steel? Seems like most of the criticism is complaints about lore which I don't give a frick about or attacks against the director.
It's a perfectly average, 5/10 film.
Man of Steel is essentially a sci-fi alien invasion movie mixed with Dragon Ball Z type of anime fights. If that sounds appealing to you, go for it.
It's a film of two halves. Both halves are decent but they're disjointed and feel like separate films.
And it's bogged down by the usual capeshit tropes. Other than that, it's pretty good.
This. The first half feels like the beginning of the first film in a trilogy and the second half feels like the end of the last part of the trilogy. They just really, really, really wanted to get to that fireworks factory.
Sounds like you'd enjoy it. It's pure kino, unless the lore bothers you.
Not great 4/10 if you like mindless cgi and lack of a coherent plot but love mindless violence it can work for you. Im all for dbz punching someone through a mountain. I was billed a coming of age story about clark kent becoming superman instead it had that on screen for 15 minutes and the rest was mindless cgi. It was even worse in BvS.
Supes is supes he can do anything. Whats more important is clark kent and his development.
>and lack of a coherent plot
Every time i see people saying this i think less of them.
I'm sure the movie you imagined in your head was coherent
Ah yes, the person who misunderstood the plot of a movie is smarter than the one who did
so what was the plot of MoS? Why did Zod want to destroy earth?
>Why did Zod want to destroy earth?
To create harsher, shittier planet as explicitly stated by Crowe-El, a planet that would take away their superman abilities, even though any krypton output who tried to do the same withered away and died in a span of 30 years without the support of Krypton.
he is quirky like that eh?
Kryptonian planet about to implode due to mismanagement. Zod tries to coup, is sent to phantom zone which ironically saves him from this.
Comes to earth because his scientist friend who he feels betrayed him sent his natural birth son there who has "the codex" embedded in him, basically a bio-zip file of kryptonian genome, to retrieve this and revive his species which died in the implosion. Because he's literally genetically designed to be autistic about muh pure kryte race, and exposition explained above about how you need a good fertile soil foundation, he wants to terraform earth and kill all the humans so he can repopulate with kryptonians (secondarily, he didnt want them to have superpowers because he thought that was impure".
After Supes destroys the terraforming world engine, he knows he lost, so he decides to go scorched earth or die trying, which superman agonizingly obliges him.
I only saw the movie one time 8 years ago. You are a brainlet with no attention span, basic comprehension, or memory capable of understanding capeshit.
>body getting crushed against the ground by pressure
>hair is still in place somehow
There is a better one
>World Engine imploding into Black hole
>entire chunks of city and cars fly up into it
>Lois Lane is FALLING DOWN
>Superman has to struggle against the pull of black hole to catch Lane
BRAVO SNYDER
its super hair
If you dont care about comic accuracy and enjoy capeshit action you'll love it
>Would I like Man of steel?
"Acceptable" reimagination of Superman solo origin story, but not memorable or catchy like the Reeves Superman II. MoS was also a terrible startup for a cinematic universe, with other superheroes.
In essence, Snyder is good and edgy about action scenes, but terrible and cringe abiut character design and plot development. Here, he does both.
>In essence, Snyder is good and edgy about action scenes, but terrible and cringe abiut character design and plot development. Here, he does both.
But MoS wasn't written by him.
MoS is a great movie with an inspiring soundtrack. It makes a boring ass character into a real human being.
>. It makes a boring ass character into a real human being.
but it bored the entire audience and everyone disliked the movie, the character and DC
maybe you just like shit
MoS made like $700m which put it ahead of the MCU for the start of a franchise.
People liked MoS.
>Big superhero IP makes money during the superhero bubble AFTER marvel and nolan created said bubble and all the good will for things to come.
>Movie is shit, tho, and nobody likes it. Sequels even less so
A real mystery
It's fine until it turns into one long Super Saiyan fight at the end.
Correct, friendo.
The Snydercut is a cool superhero movie with a moody and melancholic feel to it but for some reason something about it bothers me. It feels too safe and generic despite some of its characterizations and tone.
Compared to MoS and BvS the Snydercut comes off as your average superhero team-up movie.
That's because it literally is.
It's leagues and bounds better than Josstice League but the way it was neutered by WB in the preproduction stage shows.
The themes are standard and generic. There's not much subtext. It doesn't really break any boundaries.
It does what it does very well and absolutely shames pretty much every DC film released since BvS, nevermind the marvel films. But it sucks knowing how much better it would've been if it had followed Zack's original vision with elements like the parademons torturing people to turn them into additional parademons
This. Justice League was being fricked since the pre-production phase.
It was a competent superhero movie, I don't regret watching it in chunks at home, but I wasn't blown away or anything by it.
No, making it more dreary and joyless is not the answer. In fact the whole Knightmare sequence is complete bullshit that should've been cut.
>making it more dreary and joyless is not the answer. In fact the whole Knightmare sequence is complete bullshit that should've been cut.
Absolute homosexual confirmed. Knightmare was pure kino. Stick to fricking Shazam and saty pleb
Knightmare is teen edgelord homosexualry. Get some taste, holy shit.
>Implying that the KnightKmare is not the same shit Shazam
>Twus, Bwus?
>comparing Shazam to Knightmare
fricking pathetic, try harder shilly
This, Shazam is more coherent, and it doesn't have a villain that already got btfo like a little b***h.
>Snyder haters absolutely seething that they can't astroturf people into agreeing with them
lmao
>nydertards gose "nu-hu" becuse he has argument
btfo once again
and considering bad movies bad doesn't make you a hater.
Defending it makes you an apologist and a shitliker tho
>nydertards gose "nu-hu" becuse he has argument
lmao, learn how to speak English first and then talk to me Ivan
>no argument
>only impotent rage
Concession accepted, again
>esl using words he doesn't understand
Being too stupid to understand what the other person's saying is certainly an interesting strategy to avoid confronting your own moronation. I'll give you that.
Now you are changing subject, my friend lmao
All you have is some insut. How that makes your dogshit movie not dogshit?
>esl getting mad at being found out as an esl
I mean it makes sense that someone who doesn't understand English wouldn't get basic blockbusters I suppose
are you going to get to the point somewhere down the line or are you simply going to have a tourette moment?
Because your movie is still bad
Maybe Snyder should go make another election ad for Biden so that you can get your cringy KnightKmare with Jared Leto and Amber Heard lol.
Shazam is the worst type of capeshit, kys tastelet
Why is that MoS looks like a real film while marvel slop is for the most part very washed out and flat?
Film vs digital.
It definitely looks like a 2010s-ass film. Ugly orange and teal color grading and all.
It doesn't.
Man of Steel was only a success because WB marketed it as a Nolan film, I specifically remember how hard they were pushing Nolan's name with this when he was only like 1 of 5 producers.
Because Christopher Nolan wrote the story together with David S Goyer.
>Zack Snyder made Superman disliked for the first time in decades.
fixed
Relevant how? By uniting people in shitting on this movie?
So is superman immortal or what? What was the point of sending him to earth if all the Supermen would be dead when he died anyways? Was zod a ghost? It was he still a living super man? I thought the planet exploded?
great thread, Zack is kino
Snyder's films are shit and the only reason you're attracted to them (and by extension, Zack Snyder) is because you identify with things that get shit on constantly. You lived your whole lives being bullied and looked down on by people smarter and more popular than you. It's the same reason so many Snyder fanatics are also Trumpers as well. You're not contrarians, you're just attracted to shit.
>anti-Trump rant "disguised" as movie opinion
I can't imagine why leftard don't go hand in hand with snydertards.
Zack would be proud of you anons
This. Once again America makes another great movie
Is Snyder the stupidest big brain out there? He is filmmaking version of Basedgon
>Zack Snyder made Superman relevant for the first time in decades.
Then why after he touched the character he became less relevant and liked than he ever was lmao?
One day you will be forced to accept that snyder is a hack and his movies are shit
Snyder is based, but Superman was never meant to be grimdark shit with muted colours. That said, happy 10th anniversary to Man Of Steel. I almost can't believe it's been 10 years already. Man Of Steel is the most underrated capekino of all time, it's a non-canon but still good version of Superman that happens in an alternate universe in my opinion.
>boring wekly apologit thread about forgotten mvie nobody liked, made by the same person who agree with the same 2-3 other people
Good movies don't need a defence force fyi
Seen snippets of the flash movie, and God is the action sad compared to MoS. I expected more dbz tier destruction with Zod like last time but we only got some lame desert fight.
>I expected more dbz tier destruction with Zod like last time
That's literally what killed the Snyder's run, gave Kal-El the Manslaughter of Steel nickname, and let to the insertion of hillarious sentences into BvS like 'Don't worry, it's empty' as if docks in New York tier cities are ever empty.
It's the only reason I watched the movie, won't watch the flash if Zod isn't destroying cities.
MoS finally answered the age old question of why Jor-El never designed a big enough spaceship to not only carry his infant son, but himself and his wife as well.
In MoS Jor understand that Krypton, structurally and culturally, are doomed. There was no saving the Kryptonian people as they exist. That's why he doesn't try to save himself nor his wife. They were designed on a genetical level to perform deterministic roles and that existence sucks. They'd doom any new planet.
His son, though, created through actual sex and not in a clone factory, and thus free to choose his own destiny was the only salvation for their race.
That's why Superman answer that Krypton had its chance.
>Joe El didn't save his son because he loved him but out of some racist consideration
Wow, that is so much better.
But why did he save the codex then? All he had to do was leave it to be destroyed with Krypton.
Because Krypton didn't blew while he was still alive and he feared what Zod could do with the codex in hands. Zod could have doomed countless other planets include the one he is sending his son to.
So he decided to leave it up to his son what to do with the codex.
He knew Krypton was going to explode. That is Jor El's entire arc. Are you saying that he's so stupid that he got blindsided by his whole planet exploding, being his genetically engineered head scientist??
He knew that Krypton would EVENTUALLY explode.
If he hadn't taken the codex there was a chance that Zod could have done something with it in the meantime.
Remember that Krypton only exploded much later after Jor death.
He could've sent the codex in another rocket to the sun. Destroy it in it house.
He chose to preserve it, which makes no sense.
Which rocket? There was no time, homie.
If he didn't expect Krypton to blow up so soon, what's the rush? Why did he have to steal the codex specifically to put in his son's rocket? He could've just use his whole focus for him to reach Earth safely and then steal it.
>what's the rush?
Zod coup, homie.
Anon, the planet is going to explode. Zod is a meathead. Let him have his coup, they're all gonna die anyway!
>Are you saying that he's so stupid that he got blindsided by his whole planet exploding
Funny thing is, the animated Superman did it better, as usual. Krypton was about to explode, but the malfunctioning AI responsible for the well being of Krypton kept ensuring the council that everything is ok and Jor-El is just being a doomer.
Jor-El even suggested to hide Kryptonians in the Phantom Zone, exactly the way Zod survived, but was rebuked as conspiratist.
He just had to destroy the code when he had it
>So he decided to leave it up to his son what to do with the codex.
No reason to do so. It was already acknowledged that the codex was bad
>He just had to destroy the code when he had it
How?
What do you mean, how? It's never stated that the codex is indestructible. It's just a DNA repository. You think he didn't have the tech to blow it up?
>But why did he save the codex then? All he had to do was leave it to be destroyed with Krypton.
snyderbros will explain this with a convoluted word salad using tarots as visual aid
still jorell can outfight a sodier
still the free willed clarck can't use his freewill, not once in the movie
it's almost like this movie requires a lot of headcanon and revisionism from the audience because the hack dind't even understand his own ideas
>still jorell can outfight a sodier
Because he prepared for the eventuality in case his secret was found, and he still lost to Zod in the end.
>still the free willed clarck can't use his freewill, not once in the movie
Everything Clark did was his choice.
>Everything Clark did was his choice
It's a reaction to things other characters choice for him. He chooses which of the paths the others lay down for him he follows. That's lame as he'll.
>turn yourself in or I kill people
>kill me or I kill people
He's always behind.
Free will is not only umprompted random chaotic acts of impulse you brainlet, free will is also choosing a path within your environmental constraints that appeals to you
But even besides that, please explain how his solitary pilgrimage where he destroyed that guys truck and saved the oil rig arent examples of your brand of free will
literally he can't choose what to do with his life and he's searching for someone to tell him (Lois, the priest, J Kent, Jor-El, Zod...) or something to force him to act
>Because he prepared for the eventuality in case his secret was found, and he still lost to Zod in the end.
Exept that's not what happend. Jorel won the 1 v 1 without tricks or surpirse. Zod won becaue Jorel was conveniently distracted.
>Everything Clark did was his choice.
He chose to do what his father told him to do (let me die)
He chose to do what the other father told him to do (become superman)
He chose to do what the priest told him to do (surrender to humans)
He chose to do what zod told him to do (kill me)
Lmao, free will and proactive, amirite? straght in line with the supposed main theme of the movie amirite?
>still the free willed clarck can't use his freewill, not once in the movie
What the frick, the worst take so far
The codex once belonged to an ancient Kryptonian with whom modern Kryptonians shared an identical genetic makeup. Kryptonian society developed the technology to read and later implement the genetic sequences of the remains to fetus models so as to establish artificial population control, but the codex in and of itself doesn't create Kryptonian with predetermined roles. The codex just store genetic data.
Good morning sir!
GODDAMN, homieS! The Codex is just the skull of an ancient Kryptonian. The thing by itself does nothing but store some DNA sequences. What create clones are the Genesis Chamber that every big kryptonian Scoutship house.
Jor-El stole the Codex because frick Dru-Zod. Zod wanted to eliminate certain DNA sequences from the skull and that is gay as frick.
>Jor-El stole the Codex because frick Dru-Zod. Zod wanted to eliminate certain DNA sequences from the skull and that is gay as frick.
and he didn't destroy it because...?
and he fused that shit he didn't want to get used anymore in his "freewilled" son because....?
Why destroy it?
>NO U
because jor-el doesn't want it to be used anymore
because he doesn't want zod to misuse it
because he doesn't wand hiskid to deal with it
Have you even seen the movie? It was spoken out loud over and over in all the first part
It’s a chance to let other Kryptoanians be born if Kal so chooses in time. Whether he wants it or not is besides the point, he’s giving it to his son so he can use it if he so chooses. He is to be the best of them, if he uses it he’s trusting and hoping that he does so responsibly. If he decides not to he’s trusting that it’s for a good reason
>it to his son so he can use it if he so chooses.
why?
The entire point was that JEl didn't want it to be used, becasue using it is bad. And the movie never said anything about a good way to use it
Codex Kryptonians aren’t inherently bad, it was the strict adherence to preset roles based on the codex that was bad. Jor-el himself was genetically engineered. The codex could be used responsibly as a way to restart the race if he wasn’t genetically compatible with humans, and from there on out produce natural births with the cloned Kryptonians.
Also by containing DNA records the codex could be used for researching genetics Kal-el would otherwise be unable to, even if he doesn’t use it for cloning.
No, they're inherently bad. They're genetically engineered to perform a role, which is what Jor El rejected.
They can break free of the role or be created without a preset role, again Jor-el chose to break free of his predetermined role. Politics and dogma misused the codex but it in and of itself isn’t a bad thing.
But Jor El states that cloned kryptonians are bad and should not be. Why would he preserve them for his child, after selecting a world where he can reproduce sexually as he was conceived?
You can't make Superman relevant by getting rid of all the goofy shit, that's the shit that makes him Superman.
Snyder doesn't really get the character. Too dark and depressing. Masonic Superman. Superman is supposed to be bright and hope. He was raised by good parents on a small midwestern farm. He's supposed to be a boyscout with godlike powers. Not like batman. Donner's Superman with Reeve is the best representation.
>Donner's Superman with Reeve is the best representation.
Superman is a real jerk.
Keep seething, Reeve is the best. He sacrificed his entire twenties to be the most effective superhero possible while Cavill bumbles around like a moron and decides to retire to live with the woman he loves. He doesn't owe it to the world to be Superman, that's the same message that Snyder Superman has.
Worst Superman
Worst Batman yeah all others sucks too
Worst Wonder Woman
all these actors gave nothing to the characters, they just arrived and shot their scenes adding nothing
Incredible how Snyder didn't understand the characters and the basic concept of a superhero took his personal taste never thinking about the fans
DCEU is a case to be never be followed, disaster simple as that
Harsh but accurate
I agree on the Wonder Woman part but Batman was good and Superman was decent.
>Batman was good and Superman was decent.
Not in snydershit, that's for sure
The only objective issues with Batman I can think of are tied to visuals and lighting.
There's a few scenes that come off Power Ranger-ish, but other than that, it's a decent if less intense Miller Batman.
Superman on the other hand was basically just a more realistic take on the character which I guess some people will dislike since they'd prefer a more comic book-y approach.
There's actually very few movies that accomplish this imo. Ang Lee's Hulk is one of them and that is again a massively debated movie. But again, serious while illusory/animated is very hard to pull off.
> It doesn't take five fricking movies to establish a classic Superman
I understand that this is the main issue people had with Snyder Supes, but the Whedon cut is not superior in any way. It's comparable to Christopher Reeves' CGI cameo in The Flash and soulless. Should Snyder's Superman been a more uplifting movie? Yes. But Whedon was just going for cheap fanservice and not much else.
>took his personal taste never thinking about the fans
ok im gonna say it
zack sneeder
superman being an invulnerable big blue boy scout is annoying as frick and stupid
Snyder did it better than anyone has
by making him an invulnerable big grey annoying as frick and stupid?
Just watch some other character. Superman (or any other dc hero) clearly isn't for you. And that's fine
In Man of Steel he's not invulnerable, he's human with human weaknesses in his family and trying to have a relationship with the people of Earth.
This is legitimately the only way that you can make a character whose only weakness is Kryptonite compelling.
He's completely inhuman in that movie, precisely why he can't relate or be accepted by people of Earth. Snyder didn't want a humanized Superman, he thought he was making a modern myth. Deranged.
if he is inhuman why does he choose to oppose zod?
What about opposing Zod is incompatible with being inhuman?
And he looks miserable doing that in all of those scenes.
Ah yes, those are the scenes i was talking about, you stupid frick.
You've no argument, you homosexual.
Superman's return in ZSJL was pretty on the nose about him getting his mojo back and becoming "classic smiling Superman". But actions speak louder than words and it's not like real life heroes have smiles on their faces when they're doing something which requires attention and concentration.
This is just closer to what a real alien would act like, assuming one would be as generous to humanity as even Snyder's Superman is.
>Snyder has to be tard wrangled by Nolan to make something decent
>Next movie is pants on head moronic and has one of the biggest 1st to 2nd week drop offs of all time.
This shit was always going to fail. Snydergays are fricking sick in the head. He's fricked up every IP because he's a cinematographer that larps as a director. He doesn't know what the frick he's doing.
Superman can still be saved. Frick, normies like homies like Goku and All Might. It's really easy to make Superman as long as you don't over fricking think it-- but WB keeps doing just that.
>Frick, normies like homies like Goku and All Might.
All Might is liked because he is somewhat of a complex character. Superman fanboys want to strip any complexities from Superman. Superman doubting himself? Putting up a front? Feeling the weight of the world? Nah. Superman needs to be perfect.
lmao the movie was so fricking moronic, it immediately killed any interest in sequels or reboots for another decade.
He made it relevant and irrelevant in a single swoop, so who cares.
What's so moronic about it? Pretty standard cape flick.
>Stop, my invincible son!
I'll never understand the criticism that Superman be happy and smiling while rescuing people from certain doom or facing a big monster. It makes Superman come off as a sociopath putting up a fake persona. Like he doesn't even care about the gravity of the situation or if the person he is rescuing is dying.