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Zack Snyder ruined the DC branding
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Genera audiences don’t trust DC anymore. DC is now considered a toxic brand to people.
I wouldn't call it toxic, but yeah, they lost the audience by making nothing but lame shit. for several years.
Their cartoons and animated movies still have an audience. The people in charge of their dumbass live action productions are responsible, there can be no true brand damage to something like DC because it’s got so many continuities and reboots they can just freely pretend X or Y or Z didn’t happen.
>Their cartoons and animated movies still have an audience
Because only the nerds and kids who don't know any better watch the cartoons and animated movies. They'll watch anything.
>there can be no true brand damage to something like DC because it’s got so many continuities and reboots they can just freely pretend X or Y or Z didn’t happen.
That doesn't matter to most people. Even if after TLJ everything was rebooted and the Luke-Han-Leia movie that everyone wanted came out, the damage would still be done to the brand.
They're rushing a Infinite Crisis movie because nobody gives a shit about their animated movies anymore
No, it's because they are killing the new verse since every new single cartoon and movie will be set in the James Gunn verse
Might have something to do with the fact that nobody cares about Blue Beetle and instead of casting a popular (like Chris Pratt) or talented (like RDJ) actor to headline it they cast a literal who.
Having Snydergay morons harassing and bullying people online doesn't help
omg i’m being cyber bullied! it’s zack snyders fault!
Snydergays ≠ Snyder himself, mohammad
Zack Snyder would have saved DC if they just let him continue and finish his original plan for the universe.
Movies don't even have to be good, but generally people grow to like and respect passionate people putting out and finishing their vision.
Look at fast and the furious. Did anyone outside of a sub subculture of gearhead morons give a shit about them at first? No, but after 4 or 5 movies it became pretty damn charming and endearing, and then we all grieved the ironic death of one of it's stars, and now it continued on to be a pretty fricking major action franchise. It's wacky, its mostly shitty, but it's still beloved enough.
Same thing with all of the terrible Paul WS Anderson Resident Evil movies. They rape the games, but they have a bumshit crazy aspect to them and it's kind of nice seeing a guy give his wife an entire career with like 8 movies of fighting mutant zombies in matrix slow motion.
If they had just let Zack Snyder make 4 or 6 or whatever fricking movies he wanted they'd be more or less cohesive and people would eventually watch them and respect that they put out a full story. Being a bunch of fricking pussies and trying to change things after every film due to what critics and homosexuals on twitter are saying is fricking moronic. And now this is the result.
No he wouldn't have. Snyder needs people to tell him no on his more moronic ideas (making BvS a retelling of Arthurian legend, for instance) and like making movies that are three plus hours long. Movies that long just don't do well unless there's an Endgame or Avatar-tier spectacle attached. It can be the best movie of all time, but if it's three hours long and has a plot so complex it'd make a bureaucrat blush, people won't see it, and it'll flop, even if it's a classic in 20 years.
Granted, WB ended up pumping out DC films that both flopped AND won't be classics ever, but still, I don't think they're any worse financially than 6 Snyder movies would've put them. And I'm excited for Rebel Moon, but that's just the truth.
>I don't think they're any worse financially than 6 Snyder movies would've put them. And I'm excited for Rebel Moon, but that's just the truth.
Suicide Squad earning that much money proves DC shitters deserve the rope.
>It can be the best movie of all time, but if it's three hours long and has a plot so complex it'd make a bureaucrat blush, people won't see it, and it'll flop
>Movies don't even have to be good, but generally people grow to like and respect passionate people putting out and finishing their vision.
My go-to for this is the star wars prequels. They're for the most part the creative vision of a very small team and it shows. By contrast I was going to ask you to imagine what they would have turned out like if there was a bunch of israelites at some studio constantly meddling and changing things between releases but as of 2015 that's not a hypothetical
>what they would have turned out like if there was a bunch of israelites at some studio constantly meddling and changing things between releases
That was the Sequel Trilogy
That's what anon meant when he put >but as of 2015 that's not a hypothetical
This. Maybe they wouldn't have made Avengers money, but it would have been coherent and an alternative to the MCU.
This. Creativity can only come from a single person, or at the very least, a close knit writing duo (so close they're literally siblings, for instance). You can't make a good creative product by committee, which is what WB tried to do.
based. Finish what you started is the only thing going on these franchises.
Meanwhile The Batman was a huge success.
Eh it was a moderate success. They raised ticket prices for that movie and it still didn't break 800 million. Pretty sure even The Amazing Spiderman 2 sold more tickets.
That’s because Batman is the only capeshit character that isn’t gay
Batman is a brand in itself
Is the protagonist the kid from Cobra kai??
>Zack Snyder ruined the DC branding
why scapegoat zack for bait? anyone who's anyone knows WB did this to themselves.
Agreed. WB is at fault for ever letting Synder touch any of their properties
zack didnt help.
>lol it would be cool to KILLL jimmy olsen ion my movie! he he!
>somebody dying! oh heavens no! and JIMMY OLSEN of all people?!? oh GOD what has he done!!!
>in my universe batman gets raped in prison! he he!!!
Zack had vision & a concise direction of where he wanted the movies to go. I don’t agree with every decision he made but he is infinitely better than whatever the frick WB is doing now, including hiring Gunn who seemingly doesn’t know if his universe is a full reboot or not. Likely because WB themselves can’t decide what they want to do now
Not in the theatrical release.
Not in any movie.
Yup.
I can't wait for them to have their Sony email leak moment.
This. No one ever trusted "DC" they liked Batman and Sometimes Superman.
correct
they hired him
No, that moron Snyder did it to keep making the same dark movie over and over and over and over and decade after decade.
>No, that moron Snyder did it to keep making the same dark movie over and over and over and over and decade after decade.
Still crying, Levi?
He has not made a good movie since 2009. Dial 8.
Not enough quips and over saturated primary colors for you zoomie?
Snyder films actually have more saturated colors. Unironically most MCU slop looks like they forgot to grade the flat video.
Yeah true that's why I said OVER saturated e.g. Josstice League
This tbh
It's entirely on them for hiring Zach Snyder then panicking that Zach Snyder made Zach Snyder movies with their characters instead of being a Marvel copycat, there's an endless number of work for hire directors they could have gotten if that's all they wanted
How did you manage to misspell his name 3 times in one post, you were even quoting someone who spelled it right.
No one gives a shit about blue beetle. No one gives a shit about the nobody playing it.
No one cares about Blue Beetle, he's barely a D-list superhero.
No one cared about Thor either and now he's more popular than Superman.
>Thor (2011)
>Thor: The Dark World
noone cared about rocket racoon but here we are. DC is just trash.
>noone cared about rocket racoon
low key implying people even knew he existed
You're high key a Black person
>where is everybody
Out by home depot
>racism outside of /b/
Racism?
>0 days without seething over Zack Snyder
1. The economy fricking stinks no matter what lies they say so people are only going to spend money when they REALLY want to see something.
2. No one wants to go ape it up with the chimps that go to theaters now. Why would I want to sit in a stinky zoo with hooting howler monkeys to watch a movie when I can just watch it at home in comfort.
3. WB executives poisoned DC as a brand by trying to make it Marvel 2: Quipfest Reborn. You know what DC movie was actually good? Joker. Why? Because it was something relatively fresh (and that's saying something).
5. Marketed towards mexicans, which only spend their money on western union transfers to mexico and 30 packs of beer.
>The economy fricking stinks
This. Media keeps saying its great but everyone knows its shit and inflation is out of control
i will pretend I'm rich on Cinemaphile and say the economy is great to get replies. I will also imply that not being rich is a moral failing like a Calvinist. Finally, I will say that buying this product is some sort of important act to distinguish oneself as something or other. look at me, the shitposter!
good post
terrible post
the economy is fantastic for those who actually want to work. It’s only hard for losers that demand a do nothing computer job or else they’ll keep playing video games
my dad works for nintendo and i have a bigger dick than you
>i’m a failure which means the economy is bad
>inflation is out of control
It's literally been going down every month you moron lol
>your currency losing fully half its value in 2.5 years is normal
>now go out and enjoy that biden boom champ
When did I say it was normal moron? Also it was Trump who shut down the economy btw
low iq
>it was Trump who shut down the economy
Go ahead and show me a written Executive Order signed by Trump that shut down the economy, or any part of it other than attempting to quarantine China by banning flights and travel to and from there, and being sued by the Democrats for it.
When you can't produce that because he didn't order anything closed you're going to move to "he didn't prevent the states from shutting down their economies so really he's at fault here" as you people always do when caught in this lie.
>Go ahead and show me a written Executive Order signed by Trump that shut down the economy
That's not how that works anon.
https://brownstone.org/articles/the-70-seconds-that-shook-the-world/
how old are you
You can literally just google the inflation rate it's not that hard
t. moron
me when i have absolutely nothing
You okay bud?
we’re all praying for you, anon.
I accept your concession anon
same
no one:
absolutely nobody:
still nobody:
not a single soul:
literally no one:
not even big chungus:
kiwicel: *makes moronic post*
leftypol: I'm going to end this man's whole career
[everyone disliked that]
baby yeed: wait that's illegal
brie larson: ok that was lowkey on point
pickle rick: *slaps roof of car* luke did i ever tell you about the time i turned myself into a pickle? it was an epic moment.
luke: *is moronic*
CIA: Bane?
sans undertale: hey don't google HP Lovecraft's cat name
[OP googles hp lovecrafts cat name]
CIA: congratulations you got yourself caught!
stan lee: *flies past in a spaceship* ooooh i dont care what universe you're from that's GOTTA HURT
[everyone laughed]
keanu reeves: you're breathtaking!
area 51 guards:i bet i can take on keanu reeves
keanu reeves: you sure about that
keanu reeves: kills all area 51 guards
area 51:wait thats illegal
[Everyone liked that]
CIA: am I a joke to you?
Alt right incels: there's no way star wars can be good agai....
Baby Yeed: hold my beer
Big chungus joined the chat
Drumpf has left the chat
Markiplier: Welcome To The Dark Side Of Youtube
Cinemaphilelets: 'Yeah, I'm thinking this is kind of epic based pilled, maybe a bit of a coom moment?? Idk think I might post a frog.
>should have another character not originally from the comicbooks
FUN FACT: Jimmy Olsen was a character created for the 1950s George Reeve's Superman TV snow -- because in the 1950s a woman cannot a smart and aggresive newspaper reporter that goes around with Clark Kent ... she should only be a femme fatale that needs saving by the male protagonist. Thus, a male cohort needs to be with Clark Kent not a lady reporter ... and TV show created Jimmy Olsen.
Jimmy Olsen was added to the comicbooks because of the popularity of the show.
FUN FACT #2: In the Lois and Clark Tv show in the 90s, they made fun of this by having the men (Clark, Perry, and Jimmy) ordered Lois to get them coffee.
FUN FACT #3: In the 1960s Batman TV show, the showrunners did not want to use Batwoman (Kathy Kane). They wanted somebody unrelated to Bruce Wayne and about the same age as Robin. The TV show created Barbara Gordon (Batgirl).
AND because of the popularity of the TV show, Barbara Gordon/Batgirl was added to the comicbooks.
meant for
What’s your point anon? Kryptonite was was also created on Superman radio show.
"Why kill Jimmy Olsen?" Was a youtube review from BvS a long time ago ... which mentikned a comic character was killed; why not create another one for the movie.
Same posts were in Cinemaphile. And they were corrected by Cinemaphile which said that Jimmy was an original Cinemaphile not Cinemaphile so, if a show changes the character or even kills him, he's a Cinemaphile character.
A similar complaint about Jimmy Olsen being black in the Supergirl show.
-- Why not just create another character, why race-bend Jimmy?
>and inflation is out of control
t. wouldn't last in Argentina a day
> WB executives poisoned DC as a brand by trying to make it Marvel 2: Quipfest Reborn. You know what DC movie was actually good? Joker. Why? Because it was something relatively fresh (and that's saying something)
This.
We can already tell by the trailers that Blue Beetle is going to be the most generic cape film since Black Adam. Especially with the movie trying hard to be an MCU film (again).
This isn’t even a new complaint, everyone has been telling WB that DC should stop trying to be like Marvel and do more experimental stuff.
Joker was R rated and had a limited global release. It cost 55 million and made 1 billion dollars.
Warners reaction?
>Blue Beetle
Every single executive there is a mouth breathing moron who couldn't manage a McDonald's.
I'm not joking about that btw. If a fricking McDonald's was making 500k a week, introduced a new type of salt for fries that earned them a million a week and then a manager said "I'm going to change the menu to sell broken glass burgers" and now they were making negative 500k a week, he'd be sacked immediately. Yet these extemely highly paid executives, who have zero creative OR business sense...just keep getting paid. In one of the writer strike threads we got to look at the pay and organisational structure of the industry and it's insanely moronic. It must be the best industry to work in. Literally just flushing money down a toilet.
stop being anti semitic
Terrible analogy because if a McDonald's did anything not approved from on-high they'd get raked through the coals and spend the rest of their life in debt. That was enshrined into company policy when Crock got butthurt about the filetofish vs. the hula burger.
Joker wasn’t part DCU. Wasn’t advertised as a DC movie. People don’t consider it a DC. Same way with The Batman, why it didn’t flop. If The Batman was Affleck and tied DCU it would’ve bombed. Brand is ruined.
Precisely my point.
has nothing to do with the 'brand', these films are just shit
>If The Batman was Affleck and tied DCU it would’ve bombed
not even you believe this
Black Adam wasn’t “generic”.
It could more accurately be called a poorly written mess.
You're wrong. If Blue Beetles house was haunted or his sister was possessed, Mexicans would go.
If Blue Beetle was Vegeta they would flock the theaters.
What's point #4?
Only white people can read it.
>WB executives poisoned DC as a brand by trying to make it Marvel 2: Quipfest Reborn.
Yes, it was so bad that it went back in time to retroactively damage the performance of BvS too.
>Why would I want to sit in a stinky zoo with hooting howler monkeys to watch a movie
KEK
The first two here are big for me. I make six figures and I still have to be way more frugal than just like a year ago. Also, any of the theaters in my city that priced out degenerates or were in areas without a lot of low-class foot traffic shut down during the lockdown. I would absolutely go see this as a curiosity, but between both of those factors there's no way I'm going to rush to the theater to see any movie unless I really care about spoilers, which at this point would just be any Star Wars movie because I'm starcucked and all those movies even have anymore are epic twists.
>it's the heckin' economy!
>it's the heckin' mexicans!
>it's the heckin' public not wanting to see movies!
>it's not the fact that it's a shit movie
Latinos go to the movies more than their population. At least that's what demographic breakdowns show, I don't know how accurate they are.
>The economy fricking stinks no matter what lies they say so people are only going to spend money when they REALLY want to see something
You can't keep saying this when Mario, Avatar, and Barbie all made a shit ton within months of each other, and Oppenheimer performed well too considering what it is
The point isn't that people have no money, it's that they're being way more selective and not just seeing everything that comes out.
>Snyder makes kino that people like and pay to go and see
>wb fires him and makes shit that no one pays to see
>"REEEEEE THIS IS ALL SNYDER'S FAULT"
lmao
>Snyder makes kino that people like and pay to go and see
> Yes, I am going to pretend nothing after 300 happened. REEEEEE!
You mean the sequel to aquaman and wonder woman or the shazam flicks? black adam?
We get it you troons. Zack Synder is known to be very masculine. You axe wounders really hate that don't you. You wish he was a little b***h sissy like you. We get it.
BATMAN'S A FASCIST
Ahaha what the frick is blue beetle?
Is this a joke? Nobody has mentioned this, there's been no threads, is this a movie? What the frick ahaha is this a joke?
How much did his films make versus the current crop? WB would kill for even JL numbers right now. Where are the ardent fans for the new films?
>gross - budget = earn
1 number bigger the other number smaller maybe now you will understand moron
Idiot boomer execs ruined the DC brand
>Where are my Latinx at?
Wtf it's already released????
DC Bud Light of comics. Nobody trusts the brand anymore. It’s very difficult to reverse. if Gunn was smart, he’d ditch DCU shared universe shit. Just make good stand alone movie and don’t even show DC logo in advertising
Pretty sure the DCEU had a better track record with Snyder than without.
It's literally called Blue Beetle. What the actual frick were they thinking.
You can just tell Snyder really rubbed some executives the wrong way. Certain people really hate competent manly men. It makes them feel very inferior so they lash out.
>and it is a part of James Gunn's DCU
That's your problem
>part of James Gunn's DCU
Boy howdy, if you thought the Snyderverse was unpopular, wait'll you see how fans feel about Gunndertown or whatever it's called.
Who the frick is the Blue Beetle? If I don't know it, with my lifelong fascination with capeshit since I was watching Batman the Animated Series as a 3 year old, then you can surely bet the average José Schmosé isn't going to care about some literal who just because he's a Hispanic too.
maybe everybody found out blurayangel and his homosexual rat dog were coming and noped out
This shit is creepy. Looks like a haunted theater.
>zoomer going schizo
The ginger dude is scaring me ngl
>ginger dude
That's a baseball cap moron
looks like a funny scene where the white male cop is goofy and emasculated by the eye rolling female cop
i dont think this is even a scene from the fricking movie.
liminal AF FR
Not just DC brand is poisoned. Superhero fatigue is real. Outside SpiderMan what capeshit series done well post Infinity War? They’ve all had massive second weekend drop offs.
>Outside SpiderMan
Capt. Contradiction, to the rescue!
I predict a mediocre opening weekend the media will hype as a success and a record breaking second weekend drop off
>Zack Snyder
Ultimate scapegoat. Snyder is literally the Jesus Christ of the DCverse.
>rubber plates
so what? 100 lbs?
>Jews snorting coke in an office
>"HEY WHATTYA TINK BOUT BLEW BEETLE EH?! WE'LL GET THE hispanics IN SEATS"
>"YEAH YEAH YEAH LET'S FRICKIN GO, THIS MOBIE WILL BREAK A BILLION OR MY NAME AIN'T MORTY SHEKELSTEINBERG!"
Why are you in my office?
Zack Snyder hasn't been involved since 2016.
>before brand ruined
>after brand ruined
wow you really showed us king moron.
Why can't Henry and Snyder just say frick it and make another Man of Steel movie? It's fricking Superman himself, it'll make bank off that alone
mexicans don't like movies, they like fricking their cousins
>another Netflix shill thread to promote the next Snyder work
it's all so tiresome
Kek Gunn pedos keep losing. You reap what you sow homosexuals. Geoff Johns is also a massive moron
But the director said that there were references to Man of Steel in it!
normies don't even know who blue beetle is. or care. the boomers only know Ted Kord and hate the Hispanic replacement.
>blue beetle
>no ted kord
>no booster gold
what the frick man
probably later, at the end of the movie, ted is revealed to be alive. he will probably be hispanic.
Gross.
>Mexicans really thought white people would turn up for their superhero movie
American race grifters only care about blacks. Latinos and asians need to get this through their skulls.
>This movie has everything. It has color, it has jokes, it has post-credits, and it is a part of James Gunn's DCU. What's happening?
It looks like a cheap knock-off of Spider-Man that we've already seen for YEARS.
Just like the Flash was a cheap knock-off of the multiverse we ALREADY SAW with Dr Strange and Spider-Verse.
Just like Justice League was a cheap knock-off of Thanos/Avengers.
I mean, does DC not know Marvel is purposely doing this? How tf does DC get blindsided with these movies by Marvel with the same plot lines?
The stupidity boggles the mind
Snyder at least attempted a cohesive universe. He failed, but there was an attempt. There were parts of his Snyderverse that were decent, but this has nothing to do with Snyder.
It's DC execs trying to be "hey there are a hecka lot of Hispanics let's throw up this Hispanic character". Fricking stupid
Because the length of time to develop a film means they're like half a decade out of step with whatever Marvel's doing, hence why they tried to retroactively turn Man of Steel into a "universe" in the first place.
DC's problem is that they don't know what they want so they just look at Marvel and conclude that the moronic parts are what made it print money so let's do the same thing. They need their own identity, they're not Marvel and never will be and trying to make it work will just result in the shitfest you're witnessing in real time.
What DC needs is a complete reboot and vivisection of the WB execs who ordered the last few movies produced. The brand was popular when Nolan and Snyder made serious movies (in tone, which is the important and distinguishing part); they'd be smart to lean into that further
>This movie has everything. It has color, it has jokes, it has post-credits, and it is a part of James Gunn's DCU. What's happening?
This is funny until you realise some executive said this word for word
>movie that isn't a 3 hour commercial for the next movie
>movie that isn't part of the Snyder-verse
>movie that isn't part of the Gunn-verse
>looks like Spider-Man's non union Mexican equivalent
>Marvel is not popular right now so no console war bullshit
It looks fine, but no one cares.
Why are DC making Marvel films
Heh, because they have to. The brand has been ruined (thank god, snyder was awful) so they have to make what people actually want to go out and see
>so they have to make what people actually want to go out and see
Why isn't anyone seeing their films
Zack hasn't worked for DC/WB since early 2017. Hamadaverse ruined it.
Is always shit...DC, Warner has been hauling this corpse around since 90s, with the exception of a few Batman movies, the rest is borderline useless
>use a handful of tweets to make it seem like movie is attached to some ethnic identity and is going to be a cultural force
>hype up that this movie succeeding will be the turning point for said ethnic group
>show more tweets about the obvious financial flop of the movie and ask rhetorical questions like "why didn't ethnic group support movie??" when the whole brand has already been tainted
Is this the most transparent outrage campaign on /tvpol/ yet? Are you guys even trying?
literal schizophrenia
They really tried to replicate black panther didn't they. The difference is hispanics aren't moronic pavement apes
Idk, how could people possibly be tired of superhero movies at this point?
shouldnt have called batman a fascist
Literally this.
>let's just meme on our best and most popular character for the woke points
>but actually it comes off pessimistic and out of touch
Lost interest immediately. Might have saw it otherwise.
100% the thing that turned me off instantly
DC never had a good track record building their superhero franchise. It's always them trying to catch up to the MCU, doing quick Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman films, then quickly jumping to Justice League. The brilliance of the early MCU is that it grew together organically. The DCU has always been chasing.
Even Gunn's roadmap seems troubling. Why the frick is introducing The Authority right out of the gate? Stick to the A-listers, because DC's bench is not that deep.
>Why the frick is introducing The Authority right out of the gate?
iirc to adapt "Whatever Happened to Truth, Justice & the American Way?" and re-establish Superman's tone, because they can't have the Batman/Superman duality that's traditionally core to DC as a brand when Superman is also gritty and brooding.
DC sucks at shared universe. What always been good at is making great stand alone franchises. And what need to do. Just make a good stand alone movie!
>It has color, it has jokes, it has post-credits
what about, you know, a good story?
What if we kissed in front of the Blue Beetle cuck stand
Hispanic here, I'm glad this movie is flopping only because it means Barbie's mega success means nothing to Warner now.
they'll milk a sequel to that shit for sure
Barbie? Sure, if they want to maximize profits, release it the same day as the new Nolan movie.
The general audience doesn’t know who the frick Blue Beetle is
>and it is a part of James Gunn's DCU
No, it's not.
Tbf Alhambra is a Chinese colony
Movie doesn’t look terrible, cgi seems fine, cool character seemingly adapted correctly from page to film, and the main actor was likeable enough in cobra Kai. I won’t watch 1) because aside from Joker, man of steel onwards has made DC look like complete garbage (80% Snyder’s fault, or whoever forced him to completely miscast every Justice League member outside of Superman), 2) I no longer see any movies in theaters because Hollywood is full of homosexual liberal hypocrites who don’t deserve a cent from me, and 3) that stupid Batman is a fascist joke in the trailer which relates very much to number 2 above. Too bad, hope the kid doesn’t get labeled box office poison for not carrying the movie. Maybe I’ll watch it when it’s free on streaming like I did Shazam, the only DC movie aside from joker I’ve watched since man of steel. But I probably won’t
blue beetle? is it like the tick?
I'm just 95% done with all superhero stuff.
>Spics steal yet another superhero from whites and go broke again
You love to see it.
What makes it more hilarious is that hispanics hate race swaps that pander to them.
Nobody ever heard of Blue Beetle before the trailers started playing a week ago
"Blue Beetle", sounds like fricking shit man
This is all because Man of Steel didn't make as much as Avengers, since then WB execs have pivoted hard after every movie. Damaging the brand in the process.
It wasn’t that it didn’t make as much. It was WB seeing how much a team up movie made and thought could do what Marvel took years building up in one movie with BVS. That movie is where shit went off rails. It should’ve never been made. Should’ve held the course. Made MOS 2, a solo Affleck Batman movie, solo WW movie and than do a Trinity movie with all three
>Should’ve held the course. Made MOS 2, a solo Affleck Batman movie, solo WW movie and than do a Trinity movie with all three
Marvel has literally brain broken you morons.
Frick off. BvS what a joke. The title alone is gimmicky as frick. Then they’ve cram in the JL intros along with Death of Superman into one bloated mess of a movie. All so stream-roll a JL movie. Guarantee you, MOS2, solo Batman and we already know solo WW would’ve all done well.
I like the movie, but the title IS gimmicky and forced by WB excecs. The movie was never meant to be a VS movie where you go and see who wins, it was a movie about the characters and they just happened to have a conflict and fight near the end. It's not something like Freddy VS Jason, but people thought it was and left disappointed.
And it was not Snyder’s idea. He was planning MOS2 and the WB demanded a new Batman be in it and thus Batman vs Superman. Mind you, Nolan’s extremely popular Dark Knight series ended a year before MOS came out. And WB wanted a new Batman! Marvel is not even stupid enough to replace Iron Man that fast
>bloated
Not really but cutting it down for the theatrical release was a HUGE mistake.
BvS is peak capekino. Integrating Batman into the story through the black zero event from Man of Steel was a great idea. We didn't need another solo Batman movie so soon after the Nolan trilogy and WW came out before JL so the trinity was already established.
The real problem was fans expecting a MCU style cinematic universe when that was never Snyder's intention. WB should've sold it as a contained Justice League saga that had a beginning middle and end. The Snyder cut was proof that if they just stuck to their guns and trusted the plan then things would've worked out much better for them and they would've been ready to do a full reboot by now without a divided fanbase.
What i’m saying is, Snyder wasn’t going to do Batman period until WB demanded it. He was planning MOS2
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/man-of-steel-sequel-could-be-released-in-2014/
>This isn't the first time the studio has tried to bring the two biggest names in DC Comics together. After the embarrassing "Batman & Robin" in 1997, several reboots of the Caped Crusader were proposed, including "Batman vs. Superman." Director Wolfgang Petersen ("Air Force One") was attached to a script by "Seven" screenwriter Andrew Kevin Walker that would have pitted the two against each other, but that project was eventually scrapped for Christopher Nolan's "Batman Begins."
As you can see, Batman vs Superman was not Snyder’s idea but WB going back years. WB demanded this because MOS didn’t make Dark Knight money. Batman Begins didn’t make Dark Knight or MOS money. Yet WB didn’t demand Nolan put Superman in the sequel
Here's Chris Terio, the screen writer of BvS, complaining about WB execs saddling him and Snyder with the Batman versus Superman script.
>The studio seemed to take this position after BvS that my writing was too dark and that this was their problem. But what they didn’t mention was that, for example, in the draft of the Batman/Superman script that W.B. had developed—[which was] the draft I was handed when I joined the project—Batman was not only branding criminals with a bat brand, he also ended the movie by branding Lex Luthor.
>That ending was a point over which I explicitly went to the mat with the studio again and again. I argued that Batman cannot end the movie continuing this behavior, which amounted to torture, because then the movie was endorsing what he did.
>I’m the one who had been saying that we can’t make a joke out of Superman raining hell upon Black African Muslim characters in the desert, as Lois promises that Superman is not going to go easy on them because they punched her. But somehow I’m the person with the dark sensibility? I wanted to say, “I’ve been saving you from yourselves! I’ve been working with the director to bring a voice of conscience and sanity to the almost perversely dark film you’ve been developing for years, but I’m the problem here?”
>I removed the punch [of Lois], for one thing. Just think about the optics of that.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/04/chris-terrio-justice-league-batman-v-superman
Yup. What been saying . BvS was not Synder’s idea but WB stuck him with it
Yet snyder gives one of the best batman ever in screen
That article came out right after MoS released and I'm pretty sure by that point the Batman v Superman idea was already on the table considering they announced it at comic con a month later. So I never really bought this narrative that Snyder was forced into putting Batman in the movie. In every interview he gave around BvS time he made it sound like Batman naturally came into the conversation when they were figuring out what to do for the sequel but who knows I suppose he could've been covering for the studio. Regardless, while I would've loved a stand alone Superman trilogy from Snyder/Cavill, that clearly wasn't what the public was looking for at the time and I think the approach they took could've worked if WB didn't get cold feet.
WB had unrealistic expectations of MOS and considered it a failure and why demanded Batman be in next one. It’s pretty obvious.
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/man-of-steel-box-office-predicted-to-exceed-1-34-billion/
Yeah I don't doubt it tbh but again I don't even think it was the wrong move considering all anyone was asking about in the lead up to Man of Steel was 'when is Justice League coming'? People were so high off the Avengers hype I don't know how another stand alone Superman movie would've gone over at the time.
I don’t think anyone was asking for JL movie outside WB. We hadn’t even gotten a solo Wonder Woman movie on big screen yet or The Flash which had been in production hell forever. Nobody wanted another Batman literally a year after Nolan’s Dark Knight series ended.
Nah if you go back and watch some of the press interviews from MoS, Snyder was being badgered with questions about Justice League and even the small Batman tease in MoS had people talking about an eventual JL movie.
>Nobody wanted another Batman literally a year after Nolan’s Dark Knight series ended.
Yeah that's why I said it wouldn't have made sense to do another solo Batman movie so soon but including him in a team up 4 years after his last on screen appearance was the right call I think.
The reason why Christopher Nolan stopped working as a producer following Man of Steel was because WB execs kept bothering with the idea of including a post-credits scene in MoS where Christian Bale shows up receiving a black case filled with kryptonite from Lex Luthor.
>As revealed in a profile of the Interstellar director from The Guardian, Nolan — who acted as executive producer for the 2013 Zack Snyder movie, as well as working on its story — made the decision not to follow Marvel’s lead when the studio floated the idea. According to the newspaper, he responded, “A real movie wouldn’t do that.”
>Ultimately, Nolan’s The Dark Knight films remained siloed off.
>“I don’t blame him. I like that his thing doesn’t get muddied by these other touches,” said Snyder.
Can you imagine BvS with Christian Bale's Batman?
is the snyder boogeyman in the room with us?
Not watching the Blue Beaner
>doing blue beetle without booster gold
Are they fricking moronic? Booster and Beetle as a DUO were why people cared
>Zack Snyder did it
Actual moron take. Zack Snyder has directed some of the most Kino action movies this century
>Dawn of the Dead (2004)
>Man of Steel
>Watchmen
>Justice League (Snyder edition)
Everything DC that is shit wasn't even touched by Snyder
the snydercut had extreme buzz.
Lost Kingdom and Legacy be ready.
>lead looks like he should be changing tires at a garage
>nobody knows who or what blue beetle is
>interest in the comic tanked when they changed character from snarky gadget-using white guy to Hispanic kid with alien armor
>"latinkso" empowerment marketing, which most beaners actively hate according the polls
>THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FIRST ENTRY FOR THEIR POST-REBOOT MOVIE UNIVERSE
Zack Snyder was the brand.
>mediocre wannabe cinema capeshit was the brand
nice
Okay, anon. Tell us what real cinema is.
>portraying hispanics as poor illegals living in a cramped house with their entire family and extended family eating tacos n hating rich people n sheit
Real Hispanics don't want to be reminded of what they are seen as by racist israelites or what they could've been if they never got by working hard for their family. They want to see a MOVIE. A spectacle featuring a normal nuclear family living in a decent house and living a stable, established American life that gets disrupted by the main plot but is still core to the characters a la Spy Kids or Fast&Furious. moron execs can't get that through their heads.
Black folk
Why did they think basing the movie around calling batman a fascist would sell tickets?
The only time I have ever heard about this being an actual superhero was when people on Cinemaphile were talking about how badly this will bomb.
No wb did lol. Zsjl is the only good movie other than Aquaman and wonder woman which were also Snyder involvements. Pretty sure it all started with WB cutting bvs into incomprehension and then the josstice league being complete garbage
>josstice league being complete garbage
I was sitting there with two lads of mine and once the credits rolled it was plain to us we didn't watch a Snyder movie.
If WB hadn’t interfere I doubt we’d gotten Batman. Nolan was the producer of MOS and MOS very much offshoot of Nolan’s Dari Knight Series with Zimmer coming along doing the score. We would’ve gotten MOS2, Flash years earlier, Wonder Woman and Aquaman movie and the possible JL movie
I just don't understand the current trend of "watching a movie is a political statement" and why they thought latinamerica cared about that shit.
>DC movie flopped
Wow what a surprise, not like this happens every time
Sure the brand is toxic but as much as we talk about Black fatigue I thin people are even more sick of look how Hispanic everything is movies
I see you guys are ready to blame Snyder when Superman Legacy flops.
Superman Legacy is unironically my most awaited movie, so I can NOT watch it, NOT pay for it and have fun at its expense in the internet. It will give me more entertainment than actually enjoying the movie. Id wish I could freeze myself until 2025 so I can see that shit failing, the media blaming zack snyder, trying to make up some records (the best tuesday box office after an eclipse in Thailand), everyone seething and then WB firing Gunn just to hire another MCU quipster reject like Waititty.
For me it lacks style. Atm it just looks like a 2001 spider-ma/ power ranger knockoff. Which is fine but I’m used to seen that shit on TV
Audience fatigue
Womp womp
Blown the frick out
Is the Dracula movie any good?
No. The real monster is racism, and I’m not even joking.
Imagine hiring Miguel from Cobra Kai for a AAA movie
"Batman is a fascist" in trailer
Non-White protagonist
literally unwatchable
America is racist. They don't like Mexicans Cabron
Not even Mexicans like those kinds of Mexicans
> Oppenheimer will outgross nu-DC shit like The Suicide Squad, The Midman, and Blue Beetle.
Fricking Kek.Serves every fricking comic nerd right. Hope DC goes bankrupt.
DC nerds hate Nolan as well now?
They are not DC fans, they are literal Synder bots. Imagine trying to gaslight everyone Nolan's Batman did more damage to Batman than Snyder's Supes and Batman to DC? These people are lunatics.
Not at all. It's not snyderbots. I'm fairly certain the ss is from r/Dccomicscirclejerk where they hate on Snyder 24/7. They worship James Gunn, Matt Reeves, et al and think Nolan's realistic take ruined Batman because they think it made people not want outlandish stuff like clayface and Robin.p
> Hate Nolan
>worship James Gunn, Matt Reeves, et al
These people are actual bugman. Holy shit.
Those aren't snyder fans dummy see
The fact that it's a reddit screenshot should've clued you in. Also imagine thinking snyder fans hate Nolan lol
I'm a big Batman fan and while I like the movies, Nolan's aren't a great representation of Batman. He's barely a detective and spends 2 movies trying to quit being Batman to be with Rachel. He never had the intensity of Batman so something was always missing.
>He's barely a detective
I still laugh at the recovery of a fingerprint from a shattered bullet.
No one cared who Iron Man was until Robert put on the mask.
Superman was pretty good
Batman vs Superman was okay
Whedon butchered Justice League
Aquaman was at least fun
Wonder Woman is dogshit
Flash is dogshit left out in the hot sun
>take photo before the cinema opens
>post online as a gotcha for good boy points
I hate zoomers
>and it is a part of James Gunn's DCU. What's happening?
No one is falling for this shit, these last lame duck DC whatever films mean nothing with the hard reboot coming, and also Blue Beetle is obscure as frick and the trailer looks like an average CW DC episode.
The problem is that these lame duck films have damaged the brand so much that I'm not sure there's going to be much of an audience interested in the reboot by the time Legacy comes out. Not to mention Gunn keeps fricking lying about what is and isn't DCU to try to sell these shit films which is going to end up biting him in the ass because now people are going to associate this trash with his reboot. Can't wait to watch that homosexual crash and burn out of Hollywood.
Studio decided to listen to a bunch of morbidly obese fanboys and Twitter trannies instead of trusting the rising track record for Snyderverse. They also pushed too much for JL when they should have actually waited for the 2020s. It is not surprising the actual movie was a hit when it was released properly in 2021
Yep they traded box office returns for meaningless rotten tomatoes scores all in an effort to try to appease and win the praise of manchild bloggers.
I was gonna go see this until this latina from my town that I follow on insta started posting stories back to back about how Blue Beetle is important for representing Hispanics and I need to go see it to support the Hispanic community ect.
Ad nauseum for literal hours this afternoon.
Straight up made me skip it completely
>and it is a part of James Gunn's DCU
wrong
part of snyderverse garbage
it's why it's flopping.
Go woke go broke