>Zaslav cancels the Wonder Twins movie for budget reasons
>James is possibly doing one for the dcu now
Zaslavs suicide note soon
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>Zaslav cancels the Wonder Twins movie for budget reasons. >James is possibly doing one for the dcu now
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When you think about it it's insane how DC's MCU competitor using all the heavy hitters failed so now their reboot is using C-Z listers
As long as it means I might get a Metal Men movie and a Detective Chimp cartoon, I'm not complaining.
I might have faith in a Metal Men movie if they give it a Silver Age feeling with wackiness and danger
Or they might try and ape Bayformers, which without Gunn, they might do
Good.
>so now their reboot is using C-Z listers
Good, all of them are more interesting than DC's conventional capeshit characters
It's stupid. I would've opened up with the Justice League founders. Nobody wants a Supergirl movie about her girl feelings.
>still two years out from the start of Chapter 1
>we're already talking about Chapter 2
Here we go again.
They have to start developing this stuff kind of early. For instance, Feige was talking about a GOTG movie back in like 2010 and I think Perlman had already started drafting jt
Yeah but that's when they were only worrying about movies, and just a few at a time. DC is once again planning 20+ projects (movies, tv shows, animation AND video games) right off the bat without seeing the reaction to a Superman movie kicking this universe off
>Zaslavs suicide note
The plan is to be bought out by one of the FAANGs, get fired, collect huge contracted golden parachute. WBD owes him a massive severance when he's let go.
Does anyone at all give a shit about the wonder twins?
1. Be CEO of moderately large Cable studio
2. Take massive debts to buy floundering major studio from company desperate to split it.
3. Get huge golden parachute as CEO of huge company
4. Run it into the ground
5. IP's become attractive to content-desperate big streaming players
6. They buy whole thing (at discount)
7. Fire you, golden parachute pops open
8. Kek, all the way to your life of idle luxury
I mean the shareholders are fricked, but WB shareholders gotta be masochists. All Gunn's "wall of projects" amounts to is a sales pitch for prospective buyers.
It's a better retirement than riding out Discover+ and waiting for the day that audiences tire of Naked Uggo Survival and morons in Alaska.
It's funny how Marvel succeeded with A-list heroes and actors, and now DC thinks it can succeed with their C-list heroes.
iron man wasnt a-list when the first movie came out, we are still getting a superman movie too (along with a potentially shitty batman movie) in the dcu
The Superman movie sounds worse because it is just a commercial for The Authority because Gunn hates Superman and finds him boring.
Does Gunn hate Superman or is this one of those cases where you just have a persecution fetish?
Garth Ennis doesn't hate Superman, and Gunn is Garth Ennis-lite.
His running theme is "Superhumans are Jerks, Losers and Doofuses", basically a PG The Boys.
He's made 4 movies in a row with this theme, it's his thing.
he doesnt hate superman, far far from it
fair point, mostly talking about the general audience in 2008
>it is just a commercial for The Authority
Wrong, but you know that
>Gunn hates Superman and finds him boring.
Wrong, but you know that
You are a drama queen
>Wrong, but you know that
The Authority have no business being in a Superman movie, they're only there to advertise their own movie.
>Wrong, but you know that
Was offered Superman years ago, refused. Originally wrote Superman as the villain for his Suicide Squad movie. Wrote him as a scat fetishist in Peacemaker. Didn't even bother to ask Henry to come in to shoot for Superman when he shows up at the end of the season. And to top it off, Gunn was actually a fan of Man of Steel.
Iron Man was the leader in Civil War, and he had cartoons in the 90s. He's an A-lister.
>Iron Man was in some comics
you cannot be serious
>He had cartoons in the 90's. Apache Chief was in cartoons longer than Tony Stark. Is Static an A-lister? Batman Beyond?
Did Static or BB have a 300+ issue run?
Because Iron Man did.
Did they have games? Because Iron Man did.
Comics just don't matter to broad popular status.
They just don't.
No one's Mom knew what Stark's origin was. They could tell you Superman, Batman, Spider-Man's origin.
>Comics just don't matter to broad popular status.
>They just don't
Comics are a microcosm of what's popular.
Wolverine is popular in the comics, and he's popular in real life.
>Comics just don't matter to broad popular status.
>They just don't.
I don't know why this is so hard for so many people on this board to grasp. What matters is cartoons and movies. Full stop, that's it.
>midwit logic
Supeman is 50% more popular than Iron Man.
Batman is 100% more popular than Superman.
They're all A-listers.
Pre-MCU, Iron Man was by no definition an A-list Superhero.
So Iron Man barely qualifies as an A lister now after having an entire series of some of the most popular movies ever made focused on him. What do you think he was 15 years ago before those movies came out?
Why are you living in the past?
Google trends are higher for Superman because he’s been more relevant news wise due to Cavill getting fired and new casting. Superman Legacy won’t make half of Iron Man 3
>s Static an A-lister
He could have been if he had been given the right push and been heavily based on his cartoon version. Alas
I hope Gunn fixes that, since he already confirmed he has plans for him
DC doesn't own Static, they can just borrow him occassionally from Milestone
Yeah, but we are talking about adaptations here and there was never a problem in regards to him being in them
The Hulk is arguably the only A-lister in the first 2 phases, Spider-Man is the first true A-lister they've used.
I can't wait for Amazon to purchase WBD on markdown, and throw 3 billions at a DC revival set on Earth-D
>It's funny how Marvel succeeded with A-list heroes and actors,
It's funny how you're doing revisionist history and pretending the Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy were A-list before the movie
Does KJ Apa still have a chance?
Instead of talking about grandiose visions that sound more like best-scenario pipe dreams and empty bluster about how great their movies are, I want an actual plan from WBD. How will they cut budgets to realistic levels, and make sure they're not taking existential gambles with each summer tentpole. Will they have low to mid-range projects that utilize their properties. Will they target specific viewer demos (and no, superhero fans are not a real demo).
Until WB outlines clear steps to get out of the hole they've put themselves in, Zaslav is not doing his job. Cancelling projects can't be his only play.
>I want an actual plan from WBD.
see
That's clearly the plan.
Why else would a cable channel take gigantic debts to buy movies that weren't making money and a streaming channel bleeding it?
I understand and appreciate the cynicism, but that is not the plan. Corporate raiding works when you're not putting your own money on the line, and it happens fast.
Discovery put everything on the line for this, and they are stuck in mud.
Yes but Zaslav isn't Discovery. He just draws a paycheck as CEO of it. If the Discovery board fired him, he'd get a decent payout and be gone.
If WBD fires him, he gets a massive payout.
Again, I understand the cynicism, but this is merely an explanation for why he doesn't need to do a good job. He has no interest in destroying WB, nor do the board and shareholders. There is no reason for them to buy high and sell low. If they had wanted to cut Warner up, they would have done it within weeks of buying WB, when they were worth more.
For certain there are board members who dream of making this work, or they wouldn't have approved this purchase.
But Zaslav has no real skin in the game, if the board is lucky Amazon (or Netflix) will overpay for the whole enchilada.
There WAS no good reason to do this deal, except when they inked it you could borrow at 0% and so gambling on success was less risky.
Now borrowing is expensive, the DCEU slate contained NO AVENGERS monies whatsoever, and they can only make MAX stop bleeding money by amputating content. They are literally fricked, unless you believe Gunn has billion dollar Superman movies stuffed up his ass.
Sure Batman and (especially) Joker can make money, but all that television series crap will not.
I don't think Gunn can sell a billion dollar Superman movie, it's out of his purview and style.
The whole "Batman admits he's a jerk who could use his wealth to solve Gotham's problems" in The Flush stank of late-game Gunn influence.
So be ready for Jerk-Man and Robin.
>The whole "Batman admits he's a jerk who could use his wealth to solve Gotham's problems" in The Flush stank of late-game Gunn influence.
That was actually in the very early Flash leaks from 2021 before Gunn was even finished with The Suicide Squad.
Blame Christina Hodson for that one, the writer of Birds of Prey, or "Men Suck: The Movie."
Amazon, Apple, Alphabet, Meta...these companies can afford to run a streaming operation, a few billion here and there for content counts as a side-hustle for them. Even Disney considers D+ a side-hustle to parks and merch.
Discovery+ just doesn't have the resources to run Warner/HBO. It's like a guy living in a trailer borrowing money to buy race horses. It never made sense, and is unsupportable with the free money from banks shit over.
Not even Disney should be streaming. It should only be tech companies, because they're just using existing infrastructure that already earn more from other business activities. Amazon's cloud service is huge, yet it's all gravy for them because they're just selling unused capacity. It's like renting out a house while you're on vacation.
WB and Disney had to build everything from the ground up, and they don't have anything else to use it on.
Disney had plenty of studio power, but yeah they could probably have just sold content to Amazon for cash. But again, it's just a side-hustle for them, and they LOVE retaining full ownership.
Marvel's A-List: (pre MCU)
Spider-Man
The X-Men (particularly Wolverine)
Hulk
Fantastic Four (barely)
B-List:
Venom
Deadpool (nearing A)
Punisher
Daredevil (barely)
I think Venom is an A-lister
I'd also add
>A-List
Ghostrider (one of Marvel's best selling comics in the 90s)
>B-List
Captain America
Iron Man
She-Hulk
>scrap cheap Wonder Twins movie made for streaming
>make new expensive Wonder Twins movie to lose 200 million dollars in theaters
Zaslav eats shit
Iron Man was not remotely as popular as Spider-Man, Wolverine, or the Hulk. Marvel's actual A-list.
What next, are these zoomers going to argue that Rocket Raccoon was A list?
Gunn himself is a wise-cracking butthole who makes movies about wise-cracking buttholes playing off of idiots and jerks.
I fail to see how that will translate into a decent Superman movie. Sure you could recast Ezra Miller as a 5th-Gender twink-imp, and make Superman the cloddish straight-man he plays off of, but will people buy it?
Why is Gunn doing so many characters no one cares about? The authority, creature commandos, Waller, Swamp Thing (I know but it’s true) and now this? Even Supergirl can’t carry a movie by herself
It's more interesting than just only doing the a-listers
Need I remind you anon that no one gave a shit about Guardians until Gunn made the movie and it absolutely blew the frick up
Yeah but that was apart of the already successful MCU machine and people were actually interested that they never heard of the GoTG yet they were getting an important movie
DC does not have they brand loyalty and they keep fricking up Superman, so who would watch a Wonder Twins film?
Guardians was part of the Marvel brand so there was immediate interest.
Maybe from fans who knew of them, but nobody in the general public knew who these characters were and probably didn't care aside from the fact that this was a comedic space opera film
>Why is Gunn doing so many characters no one cares about?
This part isn't the problem. New characters gives him the opportunity to do fresh origin movies. Good stories need a beginning, and that's ultimately the problem with Superman. It's not that he's boring, he's just stuck between a rock and a hard place. Half of the audience doesn't want to see the origin again, but it's difficult to get the other half invested without an origin.
The bigger question around Gunn as the head of DCU is whether, as someone from the creative side, he has the rational discipline to can keep such projects at the appropriate scale and budget.
>Zaslav cancels the Wonder Twins movie for budget reasons
Also cause no one fricking wants that
Did you not read the rest of the post before replying
it's never happening and you know it.