It should lean into the uniqueness of its fiction like Beastars instead of just trying to be an allegory. Elemental works because it's more about ethnic culture rather than race. You can't make a criticism of racism, while creating a world where racism is entirely justified.
>Elemental works
Elemental fails because it didn't lean into what Zootopia did hard enough. It tried to make the elements too coded to real races rather than integrating various elements into one.
Prey isn't just as simple as "they're stand-ins for black people" because there's a bunch of aspects that black people DON'T experience; such as being the majority of the population. Meanwhile, the predators are condemned at times for their genetic make-up even though that's a black stereotype ("chimping out"). Predators and prey mix n' matching real issues is why the movie doesn't FEEL preachy even though it's a very soapbox children's movie about acceptance and tolerance. If the movie was as boring as "PREDATORS = WHITES AND PREY = BLACKS", it would've been a much worse movie. Kind of like Elemental.
Does Zootopia even work for prey vs predators though? It feels like throughout the movie the real divide is *size*. Judy is prey, the chief of police is prey, her being prey or predator isnt' the issue for her discrimination. The issue is she weighs approximately half of his dick and can't reasonably be expected to take down criminals and is basically a waste of budget to have on the force (and thats a very valid reason to discriminate). Then we see there is the tiny mouse town which apparently is a no-go area for police who can't fit, and suspiciously there is a mafia family run by a mouse almost as if they've turned to an alternate source of authority because theyre beneath the notice of the big hand of the law.
Big vs small is the obvious divide, prey vs predators isn't. Clearly predators despite being the minority aren't doing too badly when the mayor is a freaking lion and several on the police force are predators seemingly without issue. It seems discrimination against foxes *is* a thing but that doesnt' seem to be anything to do with being predators, but with foxes specifically. Maybe if they had gone a little further into it, that some prey species feel nervous around specific pred species? Like foxes have a bed rep because bunnies dont like them and have enough population for it to catch on; the lion got an endorsement deel with Gazelle and so sidestepped that?
But the movie pivots towards predators instead and leaves the size discrimination aspect behind as unimportant.
In truth I think it doesnt feel preachy because its too half-baked to hit strongly. It has a mild message just to have *some* kind of message, because movies need those, because they rewrote the script and world into exhaustation. I worry if they go Zootopia 2 they'll not be able to create such a light touch when theyre actually intending a message and will frick things up.
The beauty of zootopia is that there are a lot of intersecting forms of discrimination working simultaneously. As you mentioned, there is size prejudice. But it also intersects with species prejudice. Bunnies are stereotyped not just for being small and prey, but also for being meek and dumb. Pogo is a large prey animal and so he doesnt have size discrimination, but he is probably equally afraid of tigers and other large predators that can easily take him on. Predators are a minority and very liable to not being trusted for their savage history. And yet Nick, a predator, is literally no threat to Pogo or elephants.
Predator discrimination only comes into focus when its revealed that predators might be going savage. The whole of Zootopia is predicated on that not happening, and since, it didnt happen before, it wasnt an issue until now.
I agree with you that all of this is half baked. The fan webcomic zystopia does a much better job at fleshing out the possibilities. It is based on an earlier draft of the movie, which was canned for being too dark for kids.
The problem is that Zootopia is a Disney movie and they have to play it safe. They cannot make the discrimination too real or they run the risk of making too dark a movie. Thats why they have to keep it very vague and positively oriented like 'inclusivity good' instead of 'discrimination happens for a variety of reasons'.
Why did you ask this anon? Do you have any idea the event horizon-esque series of images that went through my head?
Imagine what vore fetishists must be like in Zootopia where it's actually a thing you could do? Some mouse or bunny in a little latex scuba suit being lowered into a lionesses mouth because this is how she's paying through college.
Frick.. the zootopia nightlife scene would be insane. Want to go somewhere and get a fullbody massage from a species a tenth of your size? You'd find it. Got a small dick, go find a brothel where it's so big you can smack a girl around with it. Got a big dick, go find women the next size up. Even at the most basic, just women you cant possibly impregnate (pic related) or catch a disease from. Interspecies sex is probably fetishized to frick!
Honestly I'm beginning to wonder if that's not a main draw of the city. Why excactly all these species live together otherwise when it's so obviously expensive and inconvenient is never addressed. Maybe their red light district is just an insane contributior to their economy?
It'd end up being like that manga interspecies reviewers. Where there are different brothels for prostitutes of every species based on their unique gimmicks.
>thing but that doesnt' seem to be anything to do with being predators, but with foxes specifically
With the way you bring up size, it seems foxes are in the middle/medium. They are too small to be a massive threat to larger animals but are generally a threat to smaller animals but foxes can be dealt with easier than a lion so they are a nuisance. That and them being known for duplicity likely does not make them favored by predators or prey.
Elemental is worse than zootopia in every concievable way. It even did worse than zootopia at shipping the protagonists and zootopia wasnt even trying to do it.
The movie is about a frozen human getting thawed out and set loose into the city which leads Judy and Nick to uncover a deep conspiracy about the true story of how Zootopia was created.
>Fears
The movie will be just more propaganda for gays and trannies.
It'll be the most based thing if they go all in as a romance movie. People resistant to Judy and Nick being a couple just doesn't know how men and women work. They never stay friends. The only time that would happen is if one of them was already married or one of them is ugly.
Too much woman stuff these, I personally don't want Romance, hopefully it will be about police work. I am taking FORENSIC DETECTIVES or some Discovery ID stuff.
The sad fact is the sequel plot is probably going to have nothing to do with what would make sense with the characters and world and it's probably going to be some writer/director bruning hundresd of millions of dollars to live out their own hangups on screen like Elemental and Turning Red
What's sadder is they left the world in such a great place to do a solid continuation, in many different directions as they pleased, but they are going to go with the worse and hope that they two dating is going to gloss over how bad they make said plot
>they are going to go with the worse and hope that they two dating is going to gloss over how bad they make said plot
The worst part is that we all already know that in their attempt to turn them into a romantic couple, all of the chemistry between the two that made them such a popular pairing is going to be either totally butchered or just completely missing.
Disney's been intentionally mishandling their scripts for years now, so the only way they could possibly make Zootopia 2 a good movie is by accident.
The ending really should have had them start a PI firm together or something instead. It honestly makes little sense for Nick to last very long as a cop, the cops weren't very competent without Judy doing literally everything, and she forgave them way too easily.
It will be just like the shit fans made up.
Them getting together, meeting the family, creating some disgusting hybrid shit, adding all the interspecies relationship shit they already did in Elemental, a creepy ass hybrid baby, the WHOLE trashheap.
Does anyone else find it weird that Nick never stops calling Judy "Carrots"? I mean, it started off sound condescending like he was being intentionally derogatory, and then it just kinda settled in and became his default name for her. I thought it was meant to be a thing about him being casually racist but he never gets called on it. Like, imagine if these characters weren't cartoon animals, imagine if Judy were an Asian woman and Nick spent the whole movie sarcastically calling her "Sushi", or if she was Mexican and Nick called her "Tacos". I guess it's not a one to one since Judy and her family do love carrots, but shit man, rabbits in real life aren't even supposed to actually eat carrots much, they're extremely unhealthy for them. That's a misconception that comes from Bugs Bunny. It's literally a real life stereotype that bunnies eat carrots.
You really believe that Disney filmmakers are that self-aware?
Don’t get me wrong, Zootopia was a good film but yeah it’s odd that the whole premise was racism was not justified and it was being inflamed by the government and yet calling a bunny carrots is okay
People don't know how racism works anymore. "Carrots" is a term of endearment. Its only offensive if she thinks its offensive. If you were a kid growing up in the 90's, then you probably had a nickname based on your appearance. I'm asian so they called me squinty. The teachers called me squinty. Nobody gave a frick. The shortest kid in class was called midget. Was that racist? I don't think midget is a race.
I thought that was a deliberate twist. Nick, the one who's always making "racist" jokes and jibes, is not the one who is judging others based on their species rather than their actions. Judy was bullied by a fox as a kid and became afraid of foxes. Nick was bullied as a kid by prey animals and became mistrusting of people in general (but flips around without further proding when Judy proves herself to him)
The movie is about a frozen human getting thawed out and set loose into the city which leads Judy and Nick to uncover a deep conspiracy about the true story of how Zootopia was created.
>Fears
The movie will be just more propaganda for gays and trannies.
It'll be the most based thing if they go all in as a romance movie. People resistant to Judy and Nick being a couple just doesn't know how men and women work. They never stay friends. The only time that would happen is if one of them was already married or one of them is ugly.
That's actually funny because my sister has a history of dating gay men only for them to come out as gay later on to break up with her. Experienced women know if a man is gay. That's a fact.
I have an idea off the top of my head where they're going up against a self-proclaimed revolutionary group that wants to dismantle Zootopia entirely, as they believe that different species simply shouldn't coexist at all, never mind the carnivore-herbivore gap.
The hypocrisy of this group is almost immediately made clear when their members are themselves all different species, with the only excuse they can muster being that once they get their perfect segregated society, they'll simply disband and 'go home'. Judy, of course, doesn't believe a goddamn word.
Then it turns out that the leadership of these wackos don't even care about THAT, and are simply using it to accrue resources for personal benefit.
I'd like to see more exploration of Zootopia's biomes. The Arid Quarter was never actually touched upon in the movie, and I'd like to see some action around the giant skyscrapers in the middle of the city.
Also, the ultimate plot to ensure the end of Zootopia is to overload the Climate Wall that separates the Arid Quarter with Tundra Town. It takes heat out of Tundra Town and expels it into the Arid Quarter, regulating both sides' temperatures. Look at the size of that monster! Imagine what would happen if someone took it over, disabled the safeties, and cranked that thing right up...
Also, the ultimate plot to ensure the end of Zootopia is to overload the Climate Wall that separates the Arid Quarter with Tundra Town. It takes heat out of Tundra Town and expels it into the Arid Quarter, regulating both sides' temperatures. Look at the size of that monster! Imagine what would happen if someone took it over, disabled the safeties, and cranked that thing right up...
Also, the ultimate plot to ensure the end of Zootopia is to overload the Climate Wall that separates the Arid Quarter with Tundra Town. It takes heat out of Tundra Town and expels it into the Arid Quarter, regulating both sides' temperatures. Look at the size of that monster! Imagine what would happen if someone took it over, disabled the safeties, and cranked that thing right up...
had no idea the author of salvage company lurked these threads.
if that's not you, it's a hell of a coincidence because you just described what is literally happening right now in that comic to a T
Also, the ultimate plot to ensure the end of Zootopia is to overload the Climate Wall that separates the Arid Quarter with Tundra Town. It takes heat out of Tundra Town and expels it into the Arid Quarter, regulating both sides' temperatures. Look at the size of that monster! Imagine what would happen if someone took it over, disabled the safeties, and cranked that thing right up...
Make their world a giant simulacrum in which no one has gone past a larger barrier that leads to a world that is controlled by Star Command
>Hopes
Fun buddy-cop adventure through the city, maybe detective stuff. No romance. Give Judy or nick their own separate partners. Please give me a female fox in the movie that I can pretend is maid marion.
>dreams
In a bit of a rehash of the first movie I had an idea that focused on zootopia at night and on nocturnal animals. This includes an entire night crew of the police department that just doesn't interact with the day shift. In fact the first time Judy interacts with a member of the nightshift its a detective that looks like a black fox passed out in the office during the day. The black fox is my OC, obviously. During the day, he's sluggish, quiet, and drained. During the night he's a grizzled 50s hardboiled stereotype. Early reveal that he's actually a fruitbat after being pushed out a window. Main antagonist(s) of the movie are bats, raccoons, and coyotes. Possibly thieves. I don't know. I just want detectives, dames, aerial action, and maybe dirtMarion.
>fears
Its a boring placeholder for an even more boring 3rd installment.
My fear is that they won't get to be cops since the world hates cops now. I just want to watch an animated buddy cop movie where the characters get to fight crime without the writers walking on eggshells.
i just hope they they do it right.
the messages in media are a lot more hamfisted in current year than they were back when Zootopia 1 came out, and Zootopia already has a tolerance theme built in to it.
Zootopia 1's message falls apart by showing us that preds are predisposed to violence. solely through social etiquette are they suppressing their natural urge to frick up prey animals. ironically this can lead to the message that the discrimination against them is justified. if you know one type of person is more likely to victimize, why wouldn't you be more suspicious of them? and that's just using that sort of thinking within the movie's utopic setting where everything mostly "just works": what if you apply that thinking to real-world data like racial crime statistics?
so probably in Zootopia 2 they "fix" this with heavy-handedness. less wiggle room this time. things are done more on-the-nose now. nick's road to redemption in the face of discrimination doesn't hit in 2024 because he's clearly a white guy. we're going to get sympathetic PoC-coded (probably focused on black-coded) and possibly LGBT characters in some sort of plight to drive the story. i expect we'll start hearing these actors be cast as the year goes on.
But predators are NOT predisposed to violence. Night Howler poison causes ALL species to become mindlessly aggressive. The only difference was the targeting.
This movie’s narrative was confused because the predators are an amalgamation of contradictory stereotypes (ultraviolent, disproportionate institutional power, overpowered). Bellwether’s plot doesn’t line up with any real-world political subtext because of this and yet the movie is shipped as being about racism even though it doesn’t map onto racism cleanly at all. Many would say that Bellwether was justified for trying to purge their former oppressors from positions of power for safety or equity reasons
The allegory dosen't work because it dosen't play into any of that. Predators are never shown to be overtly violent on their own. The only predator we see in a position of power is the mayor who's not even particularly bad. Bellwethers plan itself was entirely driven by spite and was basically just a power grab. The only real discrimination we see is based on size and strength which given the context is arguably justified.
Preds were pretty harmless. I was waiting for a hippo or Bogo to get night howlered. Their species are extremely territorial and have higher kill counts than lions in their environments. Also, sheep eat small birds. They're not strict herbivores. A lot of animals are actually omnivores. Predator and prey don't make sense in zootopia but I think that's what they were going for. Baseless discrimination.
That's the only art of her I collect. Yes, it exists, and some is GREAT quality. Looks damn near cgi. Not a fan of the horsewiener-nipples in a couple pics, though.
Drop the racism allegory and just make it a two-and-a-half-hour-long SVU episode but with furries.
I want to see Nick retire for ten years after having to shoot a teenage girl in the precinct.
>hopes
That everyone eventually realizes that Judy is boring, Nick is boring, Zootopia as a setting is half-baked, and Zootopia as a movie is half-baked.
>dreams
I would like Zootopia, but actually good. Make new characters and story, and I might be interested.
Shit storyline like Nick arrests an ex, she rolls over on the higher-ups, Judy smells bullshit, Nick gets pissed with her "latent fox-phobia" and they get new partners over the matter...only for the fox chick to reveal herself as the bad guy all along, takes him on a fun date where she reveals a captured and injured Judy, (who was investigating against Bogo's orders solo) and offers Nick a chance to join up...if he just finishes off the bunny.
I would like it to continue as an actual buddy-cop movie. The first one could very easily be viewed as a "prequel" or "origin" story of sorts of how Nick ended up becoming a reformed criminal working on the police force alongside Judy. Now I wanna see a whole movie where the two of the are police proper and take on another case.
>Hopes
it stars a new different and cute female lead, judy and nick being minor characters >dreams
a zootopia tv show, preferably 3d? maybe 2d is the style is good >fears
disney waits 10-20 years for a "nostalgia sequel"
>hopes & dreams
it flops and loses disney a shitload of money, causing the entire shitfest of a corperation to finally collapse in on itself. Allowing us to breath easy once again with an enterainment industry no longer in the grasp of the house of mouse. >fears
it's the type of toothless, unecessary sequel that only exists money and does exactly that, reinforcing the regurgitation spiral that is modern movie making, where everything is a sequel, an adaptation or a remake of something that could be considered good.
The movie will try to address Police Brutality/BLM issues while also being overwhelmingly pro-cop, leading to a confusing mess that pisses off everyone.
I understand the appeal of muscles, I don't understand to the appeal of muscles so ludicrously overexaggerated that anatomy and logic go out the window and the character's body just looks like a veiny blob stuffed full of loose bowling balls.
Will it try to continue the themes of the first movie with some moronic social justice shit? (Remember, it is a story about police, and between the original movie and now 2020 happened)
Or will they ignore the themes of the first movie and do something totally different?
It all depends on who is making it, and when production started. I feel like it really could go 50/50 either full on politics or avoiding it entirely.
Bogo chews out Judy for "kicking in the front and back doors". We later find that offscreen, she emptied her can of fox repellent down a suspect's throat, then shoved her nightstick up his ass.
Probably be a predator bad guy this time. Kidnaps Bellwether out of prison to make her look like the mastermind...turns out to be someone close to Nick.
rip off disco elysium. nick and judy are sent to some shithole ghetto (either the outback district or some sort of unmentioned mountain biome) and are caught in the middle of two vigilante lawmaking factions. moral is that police are ultimately necessary despite how easy it is for them to overstep their boundaries or something
There's a Beverly Hills Cop sequel coming out soon, oddly enough. They're even still going ahead with another Rush Hour. Hollywood can still do a "cops good" movie if they ham it up, maybe Disney would do well to follow the example.
I think the difference is that in both of those movies, they aren't exactly cop procedural focused. Specifically both of them are about detectives mostly doing their own work without too much input from their precincts.
I think today, we'd either need enough time to pass that Nick and Judy are detectives instead of beat cops so they can keep the actual police elements to a minimum or they'll have to work outside the law at some point.
I can assume it's going to have to pivot hard on plot. The cultural climate around cops has changed a lot since the first one came out. Things may not be as hot as they were when Floyd was killed, but I don't see them doing a movie about cops saving the city.
I could see them bringing back the spy fiction element. Bring in Jack, have some sort of case that takes them overseas, have them be secret agents instead of cops basically.
Hopes: >they don't go with another SoCal plot like they did in the first one >minimal relationship shit in general, minus some mild teasing >actually fleshes out the city/world more >lots of different animals, even a few rare ones like a pangolin >more funny bootleg movie covers to zoom in on >visit some new locations outside of the city
Dreams: >pregnant Judy and a gag about having tons of kids. I mean it, she's practically hyperpregnant, but the movie frames it as funny >more outfits for everyone >just a good movie in general >fanbase loves it, but doesn't go completely MLP on it >completely hands-off from any real life parallels >no racism plot at all >at least one gag about humans, like a VR game and it's like VR Chat but everyone's running around as human avatars
Fears: >doubles down on the race thing, even bringing in a few IRL influencers about race relations as major characters in the movie >villain is an orange faced rat wearing a wig stealing all the cheese (his face is orange because of Cheetos dust) >sexism plot, probably something hamfisted about Nick making more than Judy >frick "bigotry" plot of any kind >COVID plot >movie's modelers flattens all chests to quell any HINT anyone has any shape >BLM plot specifically, and the "police brutality" is legitimately that, like a cop kneeling on a black-coded toddler or something >more LGBT stuff, especially if it's just there in the spotlight solely for the brownie/rage points and not an interesting addition to the movie >new badass female character that isn't Judy comes along and wrecks all the men, and she's voiced by Zoe Saldana for the millionth time
>things that haven't happened
But anon, COVID did happen, the whole shitshow with BLM did happen, and hell, Trump did happen. That other anon just wants none of that in the film.
I don't want them to remove any characterizations and growth that Judy and Nick had in the last movie. I don't want a reset, I want to see them moving forward. Wreck it Ralph 2, Lego Movie 2 kind of shit is what worries me.
But yeah, expand the world, or give us more of these characters growing closer (either romantically or not. I'd be okay with either, though I will admit the NickxJudy ship has gotten so strong that it'd be weird if it didn't happen).
It's never going to happen. Even if it did, you already know it would be shit. You think Disney doesn't know about all the Judy Hopps porn? You think they're gonna let her be sexy like in the first film? Maybe if Hell freezes over.
Nick's mom
interracial babies
It should lean into the uniqueness of its fiction like Beastars instead of just trying to be an allegory. Elemental works because it's more about ethnic culture rather than race. You can't make a criticism of racism, while creating a world where racism is entirely justified.
My biggest fear is that, following Wish, they try to tie Zootopia into a larger universe of Disney shit.
Elemental doesn't work.
Elemental is fine. Shitty movie but premise is fine
>Elemental works
Elemental fails because it didn't lean into what Zootopia did hard enough. It tried to make the elements too coded to real races rather than integrating various elements into one.
Prey isn't just as simple as "they're stand-ins for black people" because there's a bunch of aspects that black people DON'T experience; such as being the majority of the population. Meanwhile, the predators are condemned at times for their genetic make-up even though that's a black stereotype ("chimping out"). Predators and prey mix n' matching real issues is why the movie doesn't FEEL preachy even though it's a very soapbox children's movie about acceptance and tolerance. If the movie was as boring as "PREDATORS = WHITES AND PREY = BLACKS", it would've been a much worse movie. Kind of like Elemental.
Does Zootopia even work for prey vs predators though? It feels like throughout the movie the real divide is *size*. Judy is prey, the chief of police is prey, her being prey or predator isnt' the issue for her discrimination. The issue is she weighs approximately half of his dick and can't reasonably be expected to take down criminals and is basically a waste of budget to have on the force (and thats a very valid reason to discriminate). Then we see there is the tiny mouse town which apparently is a no-go area for police who can't fit, and suspiciously there is a mafia family run by a mouse almost as if they've turned to an alternate source of authority because theyre beneath the notice of the big hand of the law.
Big vs small is the obvious divide, prey vs predators isn't. Clearly predators despite being the minority aren't doing too badly when the mayor is a freaking lion and several on the police force are predators seemingly without issue. It seems discrimination against foxes *is* a thing but that doesnt' seem to be anything to do with being predators, but with foxes specifically. Maybe if they had gone a little further into it, that some prey species feel nervous around specific pred species? Like foxes have a bed rep because bunnies dont like them and have enough population for it to catch on; the lion got an endorsement deel with Gazelle and so sidestepped that?
But the movie pivots towards predators instead and leaves the size discrimination aspect behind as unimportant.
In truth I think it doesnt feel preachy because its too half-baked to hit strongly. It has a mild message just to have *some* kind of message, because movies need those, because they rewrote the script and world into exhaustation. I worry if they go Zootopia 2 they'll not be able to create such a light touch when theyre actually intending a message and will frick things up.
The beauty of zootopia is that there are a lot of intersecting forms of discrimination working simultaneously. As you mentioned, there is size prejudice. But it also intersects with species prejudice. Bunnies are stereotyped not just for being small and prey, but also for being meek and dumb. Pogo is a large prey animal and so he doesnt have size discrimination, but he is probably equally afraid of tigers and other large predators that can easily take him on. Predators are a minority and very liable to not being trusted for their savage history. And yet Nick, a predator, is literally no threat to Pogo or elephants.
Predator discrimination only comes into focus when its revealed that predators might be going savage. The whole of Zootopia is predicated on that not happening, and since, it didnt happen before, it wasnt an issue until now.
I agree with you that all of this is half baked. The fan webcomic zystopia does a much better job at fleshing out the possibilities. It is based on an earlier draft of the movie, which was canned for being too dark for kids.
The problem is that Zootopia is a Disney movie and they have to play it safe. They cannot make the discrimination too real or they run the risk of making too dark a movie. Thats why they have to keep it very vague and positively oriented like 'inclusivity good' instead of 'discrimination happens for a variety of reasons'.
Wonder what brothels look like in Zootopia.
The denizens of Zootopia have no problem with fricking in public. Its a carryover from their pre up-lifted times.
Why did you ask this anon? Do you have any idea the event horizon-esque series of images that went through my head?
Imagine what vore fetishists must be like in Zootopia where it's actually a thing you could do? Some mouse or bunny in a little latex scuba suit being lowered into a lionesses mouth because this is how she's paying through college.
Frick.. the zootopia nightlife scene would be insane. Want to go somewhere and get a fullbody massage from a species a tenth of your size? You'd find it. Got a small dick, go find a brothel where it's so big you can smack a girl around with it. Got a big dick, go find women the next size up. Even at the most basic, just women you cant possibly impregnate (pic related) or catch a disease from. Interspecies sex is probably fetishized to frick!
Honestly I'm beginning to wonder if that's not a main draw of the city. Why excactly all these species live together otherwise when it's so obviously expensive and inconvenient is never addressed. Maybe their red light district is just an insane contributior to their economy?
It'd end up being like that manga interspecies reviewers. Where there are different brothels for prostitutes of every species based on their unique gimmicks.
>thing but that doesnt' seem to be anything to do with being predators, but with foxes specifically
With the way you bring up size, it seems foxes are in the middle/medium. They are too small to be a massive threat to larger animals but are generally a threat to smaller animals but foxes can be dealt with easier than a lion so they are a nuisance. That and them being known for duplicity likely does not make them favored by predators or prey.
Elemental is worse than zootopia in every concievable way. It even did worse than zootopia at shipping the protagonists and zootopia wasnt even trying to do it.
>You can't make a criticism of racism, while creating a world where racism is entirely justified
>racism is entirely justified
Who's gonna tell him?
>Elemental worked because
What is your criteria for something "working"?
Another hamfisted political metaphor, so shitty it makes Elemental look brilliant
>Hopes
Movie bombs
>Dream
Total furry genocide
>Fears
The Gideon gays will start up again
Well someone's in a grumpy mood today.
Judy's frowny face is adorable.
back to your boiling tar pot you go lowtax
>Hopes
They kiss
>Dreams
Tie-in Zootopia-GTA game
>Fears
Shakira indictment meaning no Gazelle
Too much woman stuff these, I personally don't want Romance, hopefully it will be about police work. I am taking FORENSIC DETECTIVES or some Discovery ID stuff.
Well that's not what you're getting, pal.
>hopes
Judy in a swimsuit
>dreams
Nudist Judy
>fears
BLM cop bashing bullshit
Too lewd.
And too zoophile.
Praying Judy stays single
Bellweather redemption arc.
and nick corrects her with his red rocket.
I'm thinking Arby's.
>Hopes
More judy
>Dreams
Even more judy
>Fears
Not enough judy
Wouldn't mind growing beyond friends, but I'm not gonna be mad if they don't. I hoe they stay cops, please don't have them quit.
Nah the people making it are going to be so gunshy over "Copaganda" you're going to get a corrupt cop story where they quit in disgust
Which is ironic given Nick is a former criminal and Judy is close with mafia members
The sad fact is the sequel plot is probably going to have nothing to do with what would make sense with the characters and world and it's probably going to be some writer/director bruning hundresd of millions of dollars to live out their own hangups on screen like Elemental and Turning Red
What's sadder is they left the world in such a great place to do a solid continuation, in many different directions as they pleased, but they are going to go with the worse and hope that they two dating is going to gloss over how bad they make said plot
>they are going to go with the worse and hope that they two dating is going to gloss over how bad they make said plot
The worst part is that we all already know that in their attempt to turn them into a romantic couple, all of the chemistry between the two that made them such a popular pairing is going to be either totally butchered or just completely missing.
Disney's been intentionally mishandling their scripts for years now, so the only way they could possibly make Zootopia 2 a good movie is by accident.
The ending really should have had them start a PI firm together or something instead. It honestly makes little sense for Nick to last very long as a cop, the cops weren't very competent without Judy doing literally everything, and she forgave them way too easily.
A big part of the movie is having faith in people and giving them a chance. So Nick and Judy are both giving the police another chance.
>Fears
It will be just like the shit fans made up.
Them getting together, meeting the family, creating some disgusting hybrid shit, adding all the interspecies relationship shit they already did in Elemental, a creepy ass hybrid baby, the WHOLE trashheap.
Does anyone else find it weird that Nick never stops calling Judy "Carrots"? I mean, it started off sound condescending like he was being intentionally derogatory, and then it just kinda settled in and became his default name for her. I thought it was meant to be a thing about him being casually racist but he never gets called on it. Like, imagine if these characters weren't cartoon animals, imagine if Judy were an Asian woman and Nick spent the whole movie sarcastically calling her "Sushi", or if she was Mexican and Nick called her "Tacos". I guess it's not a one to one since Judy and her family do love carrots, but shit man, rabbits in real life aren't even supposed to actually eat carrots much, they're extremely unhealthy for them. That's a misconception that comes from Bugs Bunny. It's literally a real life stereotype that bunnies eat carrots.
It's a fricking nickname, man. Why are you thinking so deeply about it?
The movie is about cartoon animal racism, I thought that was going to tie into it somehow. It seemed kind of blatantly obvous.
You really believe that Disney filmmakers are that self-aware?
Don’t get me wrong, Zootopia was a good film but yeah it’s odd that the whole premise was racism was not justified and it was being inflamed by the government and yet calling a bunny carrots is okay
Go back to /trash/, judygay
>implying the whole board doesn't want Judy
People don't know how racism works anymore. "Carrots" is a term of endearment. Its only offensive if she thinks its offensive. If you were a kid growing up in the 90's, then you probably had a nickname based on your appearance. I'm asian so they called me squinty. The teachers called me squinty. Nobody gave a frick. The shortest kid in class was called midget. Was that racist? I don't think midget is a race.
I assumed it was less like calling someone Sushi and more like calling a country person a Hayseed
I thought that was a deliberate twist. Nick, the one who's always making "racist" jokes and jibes, is not the one who is judging others based on their species rather than their actions. Judy was bullied by a fox as a kid and became afraid of foxes. Nick was bullied as a kid by prey animals and became mistrusting of people in general (but flips around without further proding when Judy proves herself to him)
Give me badger
>Hopes
Nick and Judy get married by the end like pic.
>Dreams
The movie is about a frozen human getting thawed out and set loose into the city which leads Judy and Nick to uncover a deep conspiracy about the true story of how Zootopia was created.
>Fears
The movie will be just more propaganda for gays and trannies.
It'll be the most based thing if they go all in as a romance movie. People resistant to Judy and Nick being a couple just doesn't know how men and women work. They never stay friends. The only time that would happen is if one of them was already married or one of them is ugly.
>The only time that would happen is if one of them was already married or one of them is ugly
Or one of them is gay and even then the gay friend every woman has is a Hollywood invention
That's actually funny because my sister has a history of dating gay men only for them to come out as gay later on to break up with her. Experienced women know if a man is gay. That's a fact.
I expect the same disgusting letdown, I felt with ralph breaks the internet.
A sequel of a movie, that totally destroys the original.
it's gonna be an ACAN thing
>ACAN
All Carnivores Are N-
It's disney and cops are bad now, so I am thinking corrupt cop plot.
I personally want Hot Fuzz but with talking beasts.
Sorry but that's too much fun
bnuuy
I'm ashamed to admit that I'm attracted to Judy Hopps.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
Wow what a brave and unique statement
thicc bunnies
Hoping for the abortion subplot
I have an idea off the top of my head where they're going up against a self-proclaimed revolutionary group that wants to dismantle Zootopia entirely, as they believe that different species simply shouldn't coexist at all, never mind the carnivore-herbivore gap.
The hypocrisy of this group is almost immediately made clear when their members are themselves all different species, with the only excuse they can muster being that once they get their perfect segregated society, they'll simply disband and 'go home'. Judy, of course, doesn't believe a goddamn word.
Then it turns out that the leadership of these wackos don't even care about THAT, and are simply using it to accrue resources for personal benefit.
I'd like to see more exploration of Zootopia's biomes. The Arid Quarter was never actually touched upon in the movie, and I'd like to see some action around the giant skyscrapers in the middle of the city.
Also, the ultimate plot to ensure the end of Zootopia is to overload the Climate Wall that separates the Arid Quarter with Tundra Town. It takes heat out of Tundra Town and expels it into the Arid Quarter, regulating both sides' temperatures. Look at the size of that monster! Imagine what would happen if someone took it over, disabled the safeties, and cranked that thing right up...
not bad
had no idea the author of salvage company lurked these threads.
if that's not you, it's a hell of a coincidence because you just described what is literally happening right now in that comic to a T
I have no idea what that is.
Why do you think you see no birds or reptiles?
Make their world a giant simulacrum in which no one has gone past a larger barrier that leads to a world that is controlled by Star Command
>Hopes
nick and judy finally make out
>Dreams
introduction of primates, birds, and reptiles
>Fears
the plot not being spy centered
arbys
Hoping she takes the knot
They should just play it straight as a buddy cop movie
you WILL get a romance movie, and you WILL like it.
A straight up 80's style buddy cop movie. The Zootopia series should just become a cartoon version of Lethal Weapon.
So Bonkers but better?
more BIG bunny with another bootleg of Gigantic
Need more big Judy
Add fricking reptiles
and birds.
No one likes scalies.
I do.
Well you're a weirdo.
I do too
You mean Liggers.
>Hopes
Fun buddy-cop adventure through the city, maybe detective stuff. No romance. Give Judy or nick their own separate partners. Please give me a female fox in the movie that I can pretend is maid marion.
>dreams
In a bit of a rehash of the first movie I had an idea that focused on zootopia at night and on nocturnal animals. This includes an entire night crew of the police department that just doesn't interact with the day shift. In fact the first time Judy interacts with a member of the nightshift its a detective that looks like a black fox passed out in the office during the day. The black fox is my OC, obviously. During the day, he's sluggish, quiet, and drained. During the night he's a grizzled 50s hardboiled stereotype. Early reveal that he's actually a fruitbat after being pushed out a window. Main antagonist(s) of the movie are bats, raccoons, and coyotes. Possibly thieves. I don't know. I just want detectives, dames, aerial action, and maybe dirtMarion.
>fears
Its a boring placeholder for an even more boring 3rd installment.
3's seem to be the curse of family movies.
An American Tail
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Neverending Story
The Land Before Time
and many more...
>Hopes
A good movie
>dreams
A good movie
>fears
Another shitty movie about tHe MeSsAgE
My fear is that they won't get to be cops since the world hates cops now. I just want to watch an animated buddy cop movie where the characters get to fight crime without the writers walking on eggshells.
i just hope they they do it right.
the messages in media are a lot more hamfisted in current year than they were back when Zootopia 1 came out, and Zootopia already has a tolerance theme built in to it.
Zootopia 1's message falls apart by showing us that preds are predisposed to violence. solely through social etiquette are they suppressing their natural urge to frick up prey animals. ironically this can lead to the message that the discrimination against them is justified. if you know one type of person is more likely to victimize, why wouldn't you be more suspicious of them? and that's just using that sort of thinking within the movie's utopic setting where everything mostly "just works": what if you apply that thinking to real-world data like racial crime statistics?
so probably in Zootopia 2 they "fix" this with heavy-handedness. less wiggle room this time. things are done more on-the-nose now. nick's road to redemption in the face of discrimination doesn't hit in 2024 because he's clearly a white guy. we're going to get sympathetic PoC-coded (probably focused on black-coded) and possibly LGBT characters in some sort of plight to drive the story. i expect we'll start hearing these actors be cast as the year goes on.
Antiracism metaphores just don't work when they're using actual different races to show it
But predators are NOT predisposed to violence. Night Howler poison causes ALL species to become mindlessly aggressive. The only difference was the targeting.
>hopes
A clever, interesting plotline that explores more of the city and ends in canon Wildehopps.
>dreams
Pack Street (as it is in fanon) becomes canon. Also, suggested sex offscreen.
>fears
Bland rehash of the original, but with anything even close to controversial getting filed down to nothing.
>schizo nightmare scenario
Canon Wildecest.
Rip off the plot of "There She Is!!" and you have instant success. But Disney has no balls so it'll be some shitty crime drama.
As long as we get more Gazelle and her huge booty, everything's going to be OK
I bet there's going to be an even smaller mouse cop that Judy has to show the ropes and be frustrated by.
Hope it bombs hard and Disney loses more money
This movie’s narrative was confused because the predators are an amalgamation of contradictory stereotypes (ultraviolent, disproportionate institutional power, overpowered). Bellwether’s plot doesn’t line up with any real-world political subtext because of this and yet the movie is shipped as being about racism even though it doesn’t map onto racism cleanly at all. Many would say that Bellwether was justified for trying to purge their former oppressors from positions of power for safety or equity reasons
The allegory dosen't work because it dosen't play into any of that. Predators are never shown to be overtly violent on their own. The only predator we see in a position of power is the mayor who's not even particularly bad. Bellwethers plan itself was entirely driven by spite and was basically just a power grab. The only real discrimination we see is based on size and strength which given the context is arguably justified.
>I can't understand a racism story unless it matches up 1 to 1 with the real world I live in.
Man I knew this board was a bit dim but christ.
Preds were pretty harmless. I was waiting for a hippo or Bogo to get night howlered. Their species are extremely territorial and have higher kill counts than lions in their environments. Also, sheep eat small birds. They're not strict herbivores. A lot of animals are actually omnivores. Predator and prey don't make sense in zootopia but I think that's what they were going for. Baseless discrimination.
need more Bellwether
I await her redemption arc.
Personally I wouldn't be a fan. I want her to be a psychopathic villain until the bitter end.
>yfwyr Dawn is just a nerd who needs love.
I'd beep beep the sheep.
She's probably a squirter.
>she eventually rubs the marker off
Yeah I wouldn't mind futa Bellwether either.
>tiny dominant sheep futa
That's the only art of her I collect. Yes, it exists, and some is GREAT quality. Looks damn near cgi. Not a fan of the horsewiener-nipples in a couple pics, though.
Drop the racism allegory and just make it a two-and-a-half-hour-long SVU episode but with furries.
I want to see Nick retire for ten years after having to shoot a teenage girl in the precinct.
Total
Pred
Anihilation
That it gets a pasteurized as Wish and ends up with no clear message.
>hopes
That everyone eventually realizes that Judy is boring, Nick is boring, Zootopia as a setting is half-baked, and Zootopia as a movie is half-baked.
>dreams
I would like Zootopia, but actually good. Make new characters and story, and I might be interested.
>fears
I am fearless.
Fears:
they give Judy a girlfriend.
Shit storyline like Nick arrests an ex, she rolls over on the higher-ups, Judy smells bullshit, Nick gets pissed with her "latent fox-phobia" and they get new partners over the matter...only for the fox chick to reveal herself as the bad guy all along, takes him on a fun date where she reveals a captured and injured Judy, (who was investigating against Bogo's orders solo) and offers Nick a chance to join up...if he just finishes off the bunny.
Hopes:
More Bonnie
Badger-chick from early version becomes cannon
Anatomically correct Nangi
Francine officially dating another officer
I would like it to continue as an actual buddy-cop movie. The first one could very easily be viewed as a "prequel" or "origin" story of sorts of how Nick ended up becoming a reformed criminal working on the police force alongside Judy. Now I wanna see a whole movie where the two of the are police proper and take on another case.
>didn't call it Zoo2pia
Dead on arrival
>Hopes
it stars a new different and cute female lead, judy and nick being minor characters
>dreams
a zootopia tv show, preferably 3d? maybe 2d is the style is good
>fears
disney waits 10-20 years for a "nostalgia sequel"
>Hopes
Nick get's cucked
>dreams
I get to frick Judy
>fears
No Judy sexo
>hopes & dreams
it flops and loses disney a shitload of money, causing the entire shitfest of a corperation to finally collapse in on itself. Allowing us to breath easy once again with an enterainment industry no longer in the grasp of the house of mouse.
>fears
it's the type of toothless, unecessary sequel that only exists money and does exactly that, reinforcing the regurgitation spiral that is modern movie making, where everything is a sequel, an adaptation or a remake of something that could be considered good.
Hopes: shock collars
Dreams: shock collars
Fears: shock collars
Nick's dad
Hopefully this means more Pack Street content
The reason that stopped wasn't because of writer burnout unfortunately.
what was it then?
One of his best friends died.
The movie will try to address Police Brutality/BLM issues while also being overwhelmingly pro-cop, leading to a confusing mess that pisses off everyone.
Original script was like that, except pro cop stuff
I just want more slice of life with Nick and Judy.
Why is he bunny colored?
Cause they are black and white.
I thought he like dyed his fur to match Judy or something.
>Hopes, Dreams
Bogo and Clawhauser become an item
>Fears
That doesn't happen
Homosexuality is punishable by death.
Not if I kill all of you first.
In Zootopia it's expected of you
Yes you too city bunny girl, that's where you want to be so that's what you have to be
Tell that to Howard Byron
>Hopes
It's a bad movie
>Dreams
It's a really bad movie
>Fears
It's a good movie
Sounds like someone can't handle the bun.
for Judy to get HUGE
What is the fricking appeal of looking like a sack full of cantelope melons?
Oh, no, anon doesn't like muscles. Jacked rabbits are hot.
>Jacking into female anthro rabbits is hot.
ftfy
I understand the appeal of muscles, I don't understand to the appeal of muscles so ludicrously overexaggerated that anatomy and logic go out the window and the character's body just looks like a veiny blob stuffed full of loose bowling balls.
I like muscles, not fricking mutants.
It's a humanoid, talking animal. The default setting is "mutant", son.
Frick off you know what I meant
*grin*
those aren't muscles anon, those are tumors
The million dollar question:
Will it try to continue the themes of the first movie with some moronic social justice shit? (Remember, it is a story about police, and between the original movie and now 2020 happened)
Or will they ignore the themes of the first movie and do something totally different?
It all depends on who is making it, and when production started. I feel like it really could go 50/50 either full on politics or avoiding it entirely.
>Judy commits police brutality
Bogo chews out Judy for "kicking in the front and back doors". We later find that offscreen, she emptied her can of fox repellent down a suspect's throat, then shoved her nightstick up his ass.
>Zootopia 2 turns into a full retelling of the Rodney King trial and LA riots, but in Zootopia
What will the plot of the sequel be anyway? Does Bellweather end up escaping through secret eweish tunnels dug under the city?
Probably be a predator bad guy this time. Kidnaps Bellwether out of prison to make her look like the mastermind...turns out to be someone close to Nick.
rip off disco elysium. nick and judy are sent to some shithole ghetto (either the outback district or some sort of unmentioned mountain biome) and are caught in the middle of two vigilante lawmaking factions. moral is that police are ultimately necessary despite how easy it is for them to overstep their boundaries or something
>Hopes
>Indirectly create furry porn
>Dreams
>Directly create furry porn
>Fears
>Generate exclusively cuck porn
I feel like disney probably can't do a straight up 'cops good' movie anymore, maybe dealing with police corruption or something.
There's a Beverly Hills Cop sequel coming out soon, oddly enough. They're even still going ahead with another Rush Hour. Hollywood can still do a "cops good" movie if they ham it up, maybe Disney would do well to follow the example.
I think the difference is that in both of those movies, they aren't exactly cop procedural focused. Specifically both of them are about detectives mostly doing their own work without too much input from their precincts.
I think today, we'd either need enough time to pass that Nick and Judy are detectives instead of beat cops so they can keep the actual police elements to a minimum or they'll have to work outside the law at some point.
I can assume it's going to have to pivot hard on plot. The cultural climate around cops has changed a lot since the first one came out. Things may not be as hot as they were when Floyd was killed, but I don't see them doing a movie about cops saving the city.
I could see them bringing back the spy fiction element. Bring in Jack, have some sort of case that takes them overseas, have them be secret agents instead of cops basically.
>regular shoes
>paws not visible
Lame
To quote S. Andrew Swann "What the hell would shoes for a rabbit even look like?"
Judy Hopps is canonically only two feat tall, not including the ears.
>Hopes
Ass and child bearing hips intact.
>Hopes
More of the bunny
>Dreams
More of the bunny
>Fears
Less of the bunny
Hopes:
>they don't go with another SoCal plot like they did in the first one
>minimal relationship shit in general, minus some mild teasing
>actually fleshes out the city/world more
>lots of different animals, even a few rare ones like a pangolin
>more funny bootleg movie covers to zoom in on
>visit some new locations outside of the city
Dreams:
>pregnant Judy and a gag about having tons of kids. I mean it, she's practically hyperpregnant, but the movie frames it as funny
>more outfits for everyone
>just a good movie in general
>fanbase loves it, but doesn't go completely MLP on it
>completely hands-off from any real life parallels
>no racism plot at all
>at least one gag about humans, like a VR game and it's like VR Chat but everyone's running around as human avatars
Fears:
>doubles down on the race thing, even bringing in a few IRL influencers about race relations as major characters in the movie
>villain is an orange faced rat wearing a wig stealing all the cheese (his face is orange because of Cheetos dust)
>sexism plot, probably something hamfisted about Nick making more than Judy
>frick "bigotry" plot of any kind
>COVID plot
>movie's modelers flattens all chests to quell any HINT anyone has any shape
>BLM plot specifically, and the "police brutality" is legitimately that, like a cop kneeling on a black-coded toddler or something
>more LGBT stuff, especially if it's just there in the spotlight solely for the brownie/rage points and not an interesting addition to the movie
>new badass female character that isn't Judy comes along and wrecks all the men, and she's voiced by Zoe Saldana for the millionth time
>Fears
You spend a lot of time being angry about things that haven't happened, don't you?
>things that haven't happened
But anon, COVID did happen, the whole shitshow with BLM did happen, and hell, Trump did happen. That other anon just wants none of that in the film.
I don't want them to remove any characterizations and growth that Judy and Nick had in the last movie. I don't want a reset, I want to see them moving forward. Wreck it Ralph 2, Lego Movie 2 kind of shit is what worries me.
But yeah, expand the world, or give us more of these characters growing closer (either romantically or not. I'd be okay with either, though I will admit the NickxJudy ship has gotten so strong that it'd be weird if it didn't happen).
It's never going to happen. Even if it did, you already know it would be shit. You think Disney doesn't know about all the Judy Hopps porn? You think they're gonna let her be sexy like in the first film? Maybe if Hell freezes over.
Did you forget the trailer was furrybait?
And they also asked for furs to post themselves suiting when they saw the movie. They fully embraced it.
I think it's funny that they'll do this weird shit nd then about 7 years later censor a scene because of the word "groin".
Wait, did they censor a scene because of "groin" being said? What's that about?
the episode Housework from the show Bluey has this scene mutilated, they jump from the 8 second mark to a shot of a vacuum cleaner
>mutilated
>cut out 2 seconds of bandit getting hit in the groin
You people love to overreact to everything.
About seventeen seconds actually, kinda bizarre.
What happened, he pull a Peter Griffin?
No but that'd kinda be funny, I think somebody drew that too.
What do you mean it won't happen? It's already been announced and confirmed.
Judy gets super powers.
Judy looks like whe would date and marry a human
Paws
Paws
Not enough paws