can we finally agree on 2 important questions, without being edgy contrarians or baiting
what is the definitive ranking of bond actors?
whose movies are best overall?
why is the James Bond only franchise that doesn't get shit for constantly making sequels?
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>what is the definitive ranking of bond actors?
any order so long as Craig is last
>whose movies are best overall?
Connery
>why is the james bond only franchise that doesn't get shit for constantly making sequels?
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>any order so long as Craig is last
>without being edgy contrarians or baiting
I'm not baiting or being contrarian. He sucks
Craig is good in CR/QoS, Skyfall and NTTD was bleh and Spectre was hot garbage, but holy shit does Moore take me out of it
craig is a manchild who's only emotion is to squint and stare as if he's posing for a magazine advertisement
Moore puts me right in it. Bond isn’t supposed to be super serious, at least not the movies. I’ve read every book so no one can pull the “but the books are more serious” line with me, I don’t care.
> defends craig
> with a list of failures.
Brosnan would be shit tier too, except Goldeneye was so rape.
craig is less charm and more badass. you might prefer other 4 over him for that, but what about lazenby? he was pretty wooden and only appeared once. craig grew on me after not liking him initialy
Craig is shit and doesn’t fit bond at all. The fact that Casino Royale (his only good Bond film) is well written doesn’t make him a great bond.
Craig was never the problem, it was the writers making him a soul crushingly defeated person at every step that ruined it. The few tiny glimmers of fun and class he was allowed to show were great. Still, he was too blond and too ripped so I’ll agree he didn’t fit.
>too blond and too ripped
As someone who fricking hates Craig's Bond, this was really only a problem in CR. After that, I'm not sure if it's because you get used to it or if it's because he spends the rest of his tenure being told he's too old or talking about how he's too old or the execs clubbing us over the head with exposition about how he's too old but it just seems like suddenly, being blond, a little too short and a little too ripped don't seem like such a big deal anymore.
He's not wrong craig sucks and his movies all suck but the first one and that's only saved by much better actors than him.
>any order so long as Craig is last
Craig may be the best Bond. Even No Time To Die has its moments.
>any order so long as Craig is last
Roger Moore is right there
Connery and Brosnan are tied for best portrayal of Bond
As far as best era of movies I'd go with Connery. That was the only era where there was any consistency to the quality of the films.
>That was the only era where there was any consistency to the quality of the films.
Tbh, Moore's movies are also very consistent. Consistently bad that is
I don't understand Cinemaphile's hard on for Architect Bond. He cannot act his way out of a paper bag. He just looks like a smug Irish homosexual all the time.
Dont know about other anons, but only Bond movies I watched growing up were architects, because they were constantly rerunning on tv. Maybe that's why when I hear or read "James Bond" I first think of Brosnan.
>Bond
>Remington Steele
He's just puckish rogue kino
especially that lovable smile that looks like the macleans logo
Dalton is the best-fitting actor for the role if you're going by the book, but damn, he got a rough draw with the writing for his movies
I tried to watch living daylights last night, I wanted to like it but my god the plot dragged
I didn't love that one either, but I thought License to Kill was a lot better. Kinda crazy he dated Whoopi Goldberg.
What's insane is that anyone, much less tall, good looking white men with largely successful careers, dated Whoopi.
I mean she always seemed to have a pretty likeable personality until she got on that panel show she was on but damn, she must have been funny as hell. Either that or she's a hell of a cook.
People shit on sequels because they're usually unnecessary.
Or only exist because the first movie just so happened to do well.
The James Bond franchise and it's format of changing the actor just works and keeps it fresh.
It's now an institution.
That's not to say they can't ruin it since it's been going for so long.
>Connery
Kino (Never Say Never Again was shit but it's non-Eon so whatever) also had the best bond girl (Daniela Bianchi in From Russia With Love)
>Lazenby
kino
>Moore
I liked Live and Let Die, For Your Eyes Only was good too but most of them got too silly
>Dalton
Pretty good, more violent than the other ones (like that guy's head exploding in License to Kill)
>Brosnan
Up there with Connery as a Bond, some of his later ones were a bit hit-or-miss
>Craig
Casino Royale and Quantum were good, went down the loo as the films went on. Skyfall was great though, shame about the last two
What do you think of The Spy Who Loved Me?
Honestly it's been years since i watched any of the Moore ones. I don't even remember what that one was about, except Bond and the main girl driving around a ruin in a jeep? something like that
Probably one of the better Moore ones anyway, though that doesn't mean much. Preferred him as the Saint
>Preferred him as the Saint
incredibly based, Simon Templar is ten times more kino than Bond
you should rewatch it it's classic Bond. the pre-credits, credit sequence, locations, Jaws, final battle scene. kino
You should watch it, you may be pleasantly surprised.
>Casino Royale and Quantum were good, went down the loo as the films went on. Skyfall was great though, shame about the last two
after a recent rewatch i can say that craig while not being better bond than brosnan, his movies as a whole are better
casino royale and quantum of solace are god tier, but only if you watch QoS immediately after the casino royale and consider it a bonus, rather than a standalone movie
skyfall is really, really good. silva is such a good bond villain, its truly a delight watching every scene with him. i didnt LOVE the last 30 minutes or so when they were waiting for silva to make his move, wish it was other way around, but still a great, great movie with beautiful shots
spectre is meh. my biggest 2 problems are
>it is ugly as frick
whats up with the colors? feels like gta 4 after vivid vice city and san andreas
>main villains motivation is complete bullshit
such a shame. christoph waltz's speech and looking up to the balcony during the meeting gave me goosebumps, that happened fairly early and was highpoint of the movie. i hate that they wasted such a great actor on such a bad script
not sure how i feel about no time to die as i've only seen it once. maybe the impression will improve, but i really didnt like it. i hate rami malik, what kind of villain is that? and he wasnt even the biggest problem with the movie and that is saying a lot
so all in all craig had 3 really great movies and 2 bad ones. brosnan had 1 great and rest are meh
>CR/QoS double feature
This is the move. Casino Royale has like four acts. Watch it again; it doesn’t end when you think it does. It goes on for another 40 minutes and sets up the next film.
QoS is still not a masterpiece, but it works much better when watched like this.
Brosnan was the best Bond with the worst movies.(Excluding Goldenye) Moore is the worst Bond with the worst movies.
And Lazenby is arguably the worst Bond with the single best movie. Funny how that works out.
OHMSS is kino, and the lighting is cool.
It's probably the best looking Bond film until Skyfall and it debatably even outclasses that for the top spot. It's a really gorgeous picture.
yawn
>Casino Royale
It's some sort of psyops because it was boring as hell, the most interesting part of it was the intro
>Quantum of Solace
I'm a big fan of Bond movies but this one was a disappointment.
I liked that the villian and his scheme was actually believable. much like tomorrow never dies the villain isnt some evil genius with a death lazer ready to shoot the earth. they are normal albeit fricked up men with a somewhat practical plan (the stealth boat is a dumb concept I know) to effect their desired outcome
generally agree with you, and I will amend with the following:
>Connery
Kino (Never Say Never Again was shit but it's non-Eon so whatever) also had the best bond girl (Daniela Bianchi in From Russia With Love)
Also YOLT should be stricken from the record entirely
>Lazenby
kino
>Moore
For Your Eyes Only is kino too but most of them got too silly or the premises just too outlandish
>Dalton
Pretty good, more violent than the other ones (like that guy's head exploding in License to Kill)
>Brosnan
Up there with Connery as a Bond, some of his later ones were a bit hit-or-miss
Best Bond girls pound for pound
>Craig
Casino Royale and Quantum were good, went down the loo as the films went on. Skyfall was great though, shame about the last two
I had to change very little anon, well done.
my power rankings
>it's a thumbnail
well frick you too anon
eight vagànias
>but Q
>nine legs
best tune in the franchise
With exception of moonraker and licence to kill, I've never seen any of movies in pic related. Moonraker and LTK I watched so long ago I hardly remember anything. With that in mind, which one of these should I watch? Is there any one that I should skip completely?
Either the Dalton stuff or Diamonds are Forever
For Your Eyes Only is probably the least silly Moore one, he doesn't go to fricking space like Moonraker
I think i've only seen A View To A Kill once, and i didn't watch it again. Christopher Walken cant even really save that film
Both of Dalton’s are great, it’s just a meme to hate his
If you don't remember LTK, watch that
Lol never realized how filtered RT is when it comes to Bond
Start live and let die
>die another day is not under die another day tier
huh?
thats the joke
Thunderball was good, but someone made a good point that it would probably be better if we learned about SPECTRE's plans with Bond, instead of before.
Thunderball is super overrated, worst of the first 4, and never say never again is an objectively better film
tired of revisionists pretending that On Her Majesty's Secret Service is any good, its terrible, belongs in shit tier. For Your Eyes Only should replace Never Say Never Again in Great Tier.
This is probably the most correct list I've ever seen here
The Living Daylights has the best poster too
Connery>Dalton>Moore>Brosnan>Lazenby
Moot should be the next bond :3
> drinking Rose
What a homosexual
For me its Dalton>Brosnan>Connery>Lazenby>Craig>Moore
Bond should be equal parts charming and intimidating. The ones at the top managed to play both sides very well, the ones at the bottom exceeded in one more than the other (Craig is not charming enough, Moore is not intimidating enough) although I will say I like Lazenby as Bond and I think if he weren't doing that stupid Clark Kent routine throughout so much of OHMSS he would be more fondly remembered because as Bond he's pretty good
Goldeneye is the best Bond movie by a wide margin. Tomorrow Never dies is mid-tier. The others are trash.
Connery did seven total Bond movies to Brosnan's four, and half of them are very good, only one step under Goldeneye in quality. Therefore, Connery has the edge by virtue of volume.
Daniel Craig Bond movies aren't Bond movies, they are commentary on Bond movies.
No other contenders are worth examining. Moore is terrible and his Bond movies range from mediocre to shit. Everyone else was a jobber.
i agree with almost everything you said
>only one step under Goldeneye in quality
i rank from russia with love and thunderball far higher than goldfinger. id maybe even put dr no over it if production was a bit better
>Goldeneye opening scene
>he's not carrying nearly enough rope to make the jump
>he would need a bunch about 5 times that size
stretchy Q-rope please understand
>laser hot enough to cut through steel/concrete
>looking at it with his naked eyes
James Bond has special eyes.
looks
5 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > 6
acting
1 > 6 > 4 > 5 > 2 > 3
best bond:
The Architect
I'm genuinely shocked as to how you put Craig that high in the acting department. He's not bad in Casino Royale, but in all the others he's just stone-faced and obviously bored. Watch him in any other film for the last fiften years and you'll see him trying and even having fun, but never as Bond.
No blonde homosexual should ever play Bond. Softboys can play bad guys, not heroes. Bond needs to be of Celtic or Brittonic stock, not Germanic
Dalton's grown on me over the years, I'd probably say Connery>Brosnan/Dalton>Craig>Moore/Lazenby
I haven't seen the dalton movies in forever but weren't they really pathetically cheap. The guy is fine but the movies are like "is the franchise ok?"
What? No moron, go watch them
The production value is there, I wouldn't say they look any cheaper than any other 80's Bond from the late-Moore era. The MARKETING however, at least for License to Kill, looked tacky as shit because they changed the original title (Licence Revoked) well into post-production, and after they'd already had some pretty damn good looking posters made with the original title, then rushed out some cheapo shit posters with the new title. I mean look at this garbage.
And here are some Licence Revoked posters.
Oh frick me I didn't link the image.
Licence to Kill is a better title but holy shit are those sheets awesome
I know, and it's not like it would've killed them to just slap the new title on the same old artwork, just look at the Revenge/Return of the Jedi posters they're identical aside from the title change there.
best bond theme lads?
>Best themes
Nobody Does It Better
Live and Let die
Diamonds Are Forever
Thunderball
Tomorrow Never Dies
Live and Let Die
Nobody Does It Better
Goldfinger
A View To A Kill
The Living Daylights
whenever i watch Casino Royale i always remember how good You Know My Name is
You Know My Name by a fricking landslide
Goddamn that movie has such a perfect opening
>you know my name.
It's good but not the best
>the world is not enough
garbage
Nice pun
>Arm yourself because no one else here will save you
>The odds will betray you
>And I will replace you
>You can't deny the prize it may never fulfill you
>It longs to kill you, are you willing to die?
>The coldest blood runs through my veins
>You know my name
Quite possibly the most perfect chorus that could've been written for the opening of a James Bond film based on gambling
I still watch it from time to time. Have no idea why this isn't the consensus. Casino royale is goated
The World is Not Enoguh
For your eyes only
for me, no contest
there are 5 different categories of bond themes, from worst to best
>themes that are so bad, that you go and search it on youtube to read the comments, at least you will remember it
>so forgettable you are not even perceiving the music playing, you forget it even before you stored it in short memory
>shitty theme that you mute while browsing tv before the movie starts
>not great not terrible, you dont mute it, but you will never listen to it outside of movie
>theme that actually gives you goosebumps and you get super hyped for kino that is to come
writing on the wall by far the worst
>shitty theme that you mute while browsing tv before the movie starts
Is it a shit hot take for me to say that I fricking loathe The Man With the Golden Gun's title song? The rest of the musical score is excellent, as John Barry Bond scores always are, but that song is absolute rape to my ears. Actually I don't like that movie very much in general, Scaramanga's a great villain but he doesn't save it for me.
They really should’ve gone with Alice cooper’s song, would’ve set the film’s mood better
The Man with the Golden Gun had the potential to be one of the best movies in the franchise. The world's greatest spy being pursued by the world's greatest assassin, one has to kill the other to survive. And he's played by Christopher Lee to boot? Fricking amazing. But the kicker is the twist, which was that Scaramanga was never after Bond at all, and it just became a bland, meandering movie about solar power or some shit.
Whoever wrote it thought that a personal life-and-death story wouldn't cut it, and had to throw some evil scheme in.
I have a feeling that coming Bond movies will be retro-themed remakes of older ones, and this one might be at the top of the remake list.
>I have a feeling that coming Bond movies will be retro-themed remakes of older ones,
that would be a good way for Barbara to further ruin her father's legacy so it will likely happen
Thunderball, and it's not even close
Nobody Does It Better (i.e. For Your Eyes Only) is probably the next best contender, though it's no Thunderball it certainly has an equally compelling opening sequence, certainly one of the best opening sequences of the franchise, nearly, if not actually as good as Thunderball
>For Your Eyes Only
HUGE mistake, I meant to say The Spy Who Loved Me
For Your Eyes Only is very good (the song, not the movie - the movie is definitely better than Spy), but it's nowhere near on the same level Nobody Does It Better, although Sheena Easton is much sexier than Carly Simon who is basically a man in drag
Goldfinger
Live and Let Die
For Your Eyes Only
Nobody Does It Better
>whose movies are best overall?
Connery. I love brosnans movies though
>why is it ok for bond to keep making sequels
Because they successfully recast and regularly make good movies in the series.
Bond has regularly adapted to whatever time period he is in. As such he can keep getting more movies
Timothy Dalton is the best actor to have portrayed James Bond, i.e., that he had the best professional training and the most talent, however he ranks among the worst actual Bond performances.
Sean Connery is often cited as the most iconic Bond, but this is partly because he, like John Wayne, played himself. Sean Connery was not a real actor because every part he played was the exact same, which was also exactly how he behaved in real life. For this reason, I do not consider him the best Bond.
George Lazenby is completely forgettable, though he is a decent actor; much like David Niven's performance in the original Casino Royale, talent does not make for a good Bond.
Daniel Craig is far and away the worst Bond, arguably he's not a Bond at all, just some gay wearing the name like a skin. Again, this doesn't pertain to his acting skill, merely that he neither fits the role nor is his role well-written nor did he give a good performance.
The genuinely best Bonds would have to be Roger Moore, Pierce Brosnan, and Andrew Bricknell (the video game bond), who most excellently combine quasi-self aware camp humor and suave action hero ability, who also benefit from a greater preponderance of good writing with which to expend their theatrical skill.
For all that, Goldfinger is still the best James Bond movie.
>roger moore
>best bond
kys
you too
I said Best Bond. As in, best characterization or acting performance. Roger Moore is by no means in the best Bond movies (he has the dubious distinction of being in the only Bond movie in which ZERO female characters die: Octopussy), but I defy you to name a more charming actor in the last hundred years who isn't named George Sanders, Ricardo Montalban, or Vincent Price.
Learn to read DUMBASS
i respect the opinion and you taking the time to write it down, but i have to disagree. i dont know what it is about sean connery, but he makes moore and brosnan look like couple of kids who got their first tux and pretend to be a spy. i love brosnan to death, moore not so much, but being completely honest, they are no match for connery
you're right about Brosnan but Moore comes off as a gentleman
It's hard to believe Roger Moore was actually 3 years older than Sean Connery because he looked so much younger, at least in his first couple of movies, than Connery ever did even as far back as Dr, No.
Sean Connery was from the generation of kids who started smoking a pack of cigarettes a day and drinking vodka martinis when they were 7 years old, that shit is not conducive to a good complexion
Roger Moore on the other hand took care of himself on account of being born with boyish good looks
Sean Connery is an undeniable screen presence. I cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, deny the force of his character - but that is the only character you will ever, ever see. Whether he's Raisuli the Berber Pirate in The Wind and the Lion, Admiral Ramius in The Hunt For Red October, or Mark Rutland the psychologist in Marnie, it's basically the same performance each time. This is why I compare him to John Wayne, who is as indifferent a cowboy as he is a green beret or Genghis Khan.
>it's basically the same performance each time
ah, then you will be pleased to hear that in The Longest Day (1962) he plays completely against type. He plays a rowdy scottish country bumpkin who is basically just there to spout out goofy lines. Comic relief, in essence. It's just a bit part, and he is pretty cringe in the role, but at least it is different.
So strange to see people spewing this shit on Cinemaphile. That’s pretty much the definition of an A list actor, somebody so charismatic they play themselves. They write movies around them. You might like so called character actors better, that’s fine, but they’re called that specifically because they’re different from those A listers. You should know this, homosexual.
>Timothy Dalton is the best actor to have portrayed James Bond, i.e., that he had the best professional training and the most talent, however he ranks among the worst actual Bond performances.
Dalton played Bond the most like the authentic Fleming version than anyone else.
How do you even rate the first 20 Bond movies made in the 60s 70s, they're boring and look like ass,
>t. gay moron
speak english damnuse
>best bond
Timoty Dalton
>best Bond film
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Good taste
Man I love TLD's score so much, I think it may well be my favorite in the series. I just really dig how it layers synth and orchestral music together, it really helps the music stand out from other Bond soundtracks.
It's Brosnan>Moore>Connery>>>>>>>>The Rest.
Film quality is Moore>Connery>Brosnan>>>>>>The Rest.
This opinion is objective, you may argue against it but you will do it knowingly against your own deep, primal beliefs.
for me? it's taffin
Only ever saw it once. Grandparents it on DVD. I barely remember it
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1) Moore
2) Connery
3) Dalton
4) Brosnan
5) Lazenby
Why haven’t they Bond Indy? He’s the same kind of character you can tell serialized stories. You could easily have an Indy for every decade, but they stick with geriatric Ford.
moore like Roger Less cause i want less of his films on my screen!!
Do Irish really have a look? People calling the architect a potato eater, is it really that obvious? I don't get it
Arched eyebrows, small eyes, thin lips. The guy who played Littlefinger in Game of Thrones perfectly encapsulates it too, he shares a lot of features with Brosnan.
It's actually also a very conventionally attractive look, anyone throwing slurs around does it just because they hate Irishmen.
I didn't know he was irish but now I see it. Yeah softer features for starters.
The real question is who would you cast for this treatment?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GxHTajL5wDvQhOdTtszHZtcPVh2DUyzN1SKlRbBmP78/edit?usp=drivesdk
Im putting a team together...
>Bond - Tom Hardy
>Felix Leiter - jack McBrayer, cast against type
>M - ???
> Q - Tom Huddleston?
>Moneypenny -- Alicia Vikander?
>Hildebrand Ron Perlman
>Isabelle Von Hammerstein -- Marion Cotillard
>Dr Sally Fuchs-Welle -- Margot Robbie
Also, who's doing the soundtrack and directing?
>M - ???
tom holland as M
the current M is perfect
Is that Fiennes? Didn’t watch the new one but I agree he seemed like he would be great. Old b***h was never good, even when Brosnan was propping her up.
I didnt watch the latest one either, but he was pretty good in the role from what I remember from oh which one was it. The one after the old b***h died. The one with dave bautista in it (who SHOULD have played blofeld)
Yeah now I remember maybe he did actually take the title in the end of Skyfall, I was thinking he was still just getting set up for it. Either way, yeah he’s great.
fricking trash casting other than hardy and cotillard, you need to go the frick back homosexual
Dalton First, Craig last
nothing else matters
Daniel Craig is the worst, it's not Bond.
Brosnan
Dalton
Connery
Moore
Lazenby (only because he had one movie, wish they did more with him)
Casino Royale Craig
Literal Dogshit
Everything else Craig
The scene in Licence to Kill when Felix gets mauled by a shark is based on something that happened to him in the original Live and Let Die novel. Interestingly though Felix was played by a different actor in every movie he appeared in until the Craig era with Jeffery Wright, they brought back the same actor who played him in the Live and Let Die movie to reprise the role in LTK. That's gotta be intentional, right?
Hello James! Just giving you a ring to let you know I don't give a shit about being mauled by a shark and my wife dying! Haha, have fun at the party old friend!
My guess is they wanted us to actually feel an attachment to him when all this tragedy befalls him, so they needed him to seem familiar. Not sure how well it worked. I do like him as Felix though.
Bernie Casey in Never Say Never Again is both my and my wife's favorite version of Felix
I've still never watched that. I've seen all the "real" Bonds, the EON movies, but not Never or CR67.
I liked Christopher Waltz as Blofeld.
waltz is great actor which is why he managed to use the little he had to create a chilling villain, even though nothing really made sense in that movie. such a shame, it seems like the better the actor is, the worst the villain turns out to be and not because of the actor, but the writing. christopher lee too
It's weird, in his first appearance he's genuinely unsettling. Walking into that room and having everyone immediately shit themselves. Being silently intimidating while silhouetted against the doorway was cool. Then we go to his lair and he just reverts to le wacky European. I don't blame Waltz, it was the ultimate villain role, and they gave him frick all to work with. Blofeld is Bond's have brother? If you hadn't thought the franchise had jumped the shark before, this moment ramped it into the stratosphere.
>whose movies are best overall?
Dalton is kinda cheating because he made only 2. But if we are sticking to the facts, its Dalton. Also Goldeneye was literally a Dalton movie with Brosnan replacing Dalton at last moment.
Thats why the rest of the Brosnan movies were shit.
>Licence Revoked
OII YOU HAVE LICENCE FOR KILLING THAT MAN, MATE?
>They had to change it to Licence to Kill because they were afraid Americans wouldn't know what "revoked" means
I don't care what country you're in Licence to Kill is just a better title for a Bond movie.
What was your first Bond film, you guys?
The first Bond film I ever watched was The World is Not Enough in 2000 when I was 9. Been a fan ever since.
Dr No. Because my Dad was old enough to remember it in theaters
i think for your eyes only
it was on the end of a VHS we recorded of Chimp Channel, it started at the ski lift scene and the big jump
The Spy Who Loved Me
Satan... The World is Not Enough... it checks out
I first saw Roger Moore Bonds on TV, they were the only ones played regularly since he was the current Bond, can't remember which was the first, probably For Your Eyes Only
Casino Royale was actually the first one I watched all the way through from beginning to end but I'd seen various parts of Goldeneye on TV over the years before that to the point where I'd say I'd probably seen around 70% of it, along with some parts of You Only Live Twice and Thunderball.
From Russia With Love, but I was spying on my parents watching it on tv when I was 4-5 or so and didn't get to see the ending. I got spotted during the train scenes. First one I actually watched from start to finish was You Only Live Twice
>I'd seen various parts of Goldeneye on TV over the years before that to the point where I'd say I'd probably seen around 70% of it, along with some parts of You Only Live Twice
This. I only remember the most memoravle scenes like jump from the dam, all black nuclear train rolling down the tracks (looks so badass), satelite emerging from the lake, sean bean dying, invisible aston martin, halle berry making me realize there is more to the world than playing with toys, swordfight, driving black bmw 7 with remote control, weapons deal gone wrong, tank chase scene, boat chase scene.
it was probably either goldeneye or casino royale for me
Half of those scenes are from Die Another Day, anon.
Same. Probably at the same sleep over as you. Tony's house right
it was fun
get that feminized cuck Craig off the list homosexual
Dalton has the best characterisation.
Connery has the best look.
Moore, the best quips.
Brosnan is legitimately shit and only millennials like him out of nostalgia for an N64 game.
Lazenby is good but forgettable.
Craig was good at first but devolved into onions.
God I wish that were me
>Top 5 films are Living Daylights, Goldeneye, Dr. No, From Russia with Love, and Goldfinger
>The most faithful adaption of Bond is Connery, followed by Dalton. The most lookalike to the literary character is Brosnan (see the Wikipedia photo of the character and then Brosnan in the spa scene with Xenia)
>Most kino soundtrack is Goldfinger soundtrack and the best version of the Bond theme is this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ARR51SFcm5Y&pp=ygUWbGl2aW5nIGRheWxpZ2h0cyBjaGFzZQ%3D%3D
Prove any of the above wrong
>The most lookalike to the literary character is Brosnan (see the Wikipedia photo of the character
doesn't look like any of them
Where would you rank this 007?
do it we need more white supremacists
I do not enjoy Quantum of Solace, I think it is a bad Bond movie and a bad action movie in general, but one detail about it I really appreciate in this film is how for all the Martini drinking we see Bond indulge in over the course of the series, I think this is the only movie where we actually see Bond drunk.
I gotta tell you guys, I love Die Another Day. It's not conventionally good, in fact it's downright fricking terrible, but the worst thing a Bond movie can be is boring and I am never bored when I watch Die Another Day. It's batshit bananas but it's fun as hell.
I'm with you on this anon. Die Another Day is fricking moronic and it's dragged down by an abysmal performance by Halle Berry but any time she's not on camera is great. Watched through all the Bond movies bar the Craig run last year and this was a surprisingly good end cap to the run.
worst Bond song though
Dalton was underrated
Connery's movies are my favorite
Craig's got Casino which might be the best
Not a fan of Moore's Bond
Pierce in Goldeneye was nearly perfect
>Connery
First five are all kino, but Diamonds are Forever is a terrible end to his run. The iconic Bond that everyone knows, but as another anon already said he's pretty much just playing himself and made the character into him rather than the other way around. Still great though.
>Lazenby
OHMSS is top 3 movies easily, and he does a good job as Bond but he doesn't really stand out as particularly good or exceptionally bad.
>Moore
Most of his movies are sub-par but Spy Who Loved Me & For Your Eyes Only are good, Live and Let Die is decent and Moonraker is silly but honestly not as bad as I remember it being. Man With the Golden Gun is a fricking mess and an absolute waste of Christopher Lee as a villain. As Bond he's definitely the campiest, which usually works given the tone of his movies but he's definitely on the lower end of the scale.
>Dalton
Top tier, both his movies are excellent and he does a good portrayal of a grittier Bond without completely missing the point like Craig.
>Brosnan
Everyone loves Goldeneye but TWINE is lackluster and Die Another Day is arguably the silliest Bond movie next to Moonraker. Brosnan does an okay job of it but his movies get worse as his run goes on.
>Craig
Similar feel to Brosnan's run but turns to shit immediately after Casino Royale and barely improves. Skyfall was okay but Javier Bardem was wasted. Worst depiction of Bond by far, not even trying.
>Overall
Dalton>Connery>Lazenby>Brosnan>Moore>Craig
Left or right?
You know I'm jumping off that balcony into the pool for right
Ordinarily I'm a Pamgay and I'd choose right without a moment's thought, but I just watched Mortal Kombat the other night and Talisa Soto is especially hot in that movie so this time I'm gonna go with the left.
Same, I love latinas
why not both?
Left. Pamgays are mentally ill.
Connery > Brosnan > Dalton > Moore > Lazenby > Craig
>Order
Moore and Connery at the top, Lazenby as a sort of sidegrade, then Brosnan and Craig. Pierce looks the most like the part after Connery, but I just love the frick out of Moore's version of Bond
>Best Movies
Definitely Connery or Moore, followed by Craig. Lazenby's is OK for "Bond tropes" but not that great, and Brosnan's are rough
>Why no get shit?
It's not the only one. Mission Impossible, Godzilla, Fast and Furious, etc. Pretty sure Bond movies don't get as much flack though because not as many people watch them. At this it's not a tentpole IP anymore, just sort of like a legacy IP? So it gets a pass because there's always a dedicated crew that will go to it and the studio will try to make something worthwhile
>what is the definitive ranking of bond actors?
I don't know, I never watched any of the Craig films but Casino Royal and I don't remember it, but I don't think I liked him as much as the prior actors.
The others are all good but Roger and Sean go at the top I think.
>whose movies are best overall?
Connery and Roger, but I don't know who I'd say tops the other.
>why is the james bond only franchise that doesn't get shit for constantly making sequels?
I don't know but they were all good in the past.
>what is the definitive ranking of bond actors?
Brosnan, Connery, Dalton, Lazenby, Craig, Moore
>whose movies are best overall?
Lazenby. One movie and it was a great one. It would have been Connery, except Thunderball was shit.
>why is the james bond only franchise that doesn't get shit for constantly making sequels?
Because the films vary so widely, and have been around for so long, that people have some perspective when a sequel comes along and fails. Rather than histrionically bemoan the death of the franchise and Hollywood as a whole, people just suck it up and wait for the next one, since there's a decent enough chance it will be better.
>Thunderball was shit
I'd not go that far, I'm not a fan of Thunderball myself, but I don't think it's shit.
Diamonds Are Forever, if we're talking Connery Bond now that movie is shit.
Knocked down both of the Dalton films and Goldeneye, very quality stuff all around.
>The Living Daylights
This one gives off FRWL vibes, but it's done a little sloppier, particularly in the Bond girl and villain departments. Koskov and the assassin chick's name (I actually forgot oops) are serviceable, but Irma Bunt, Red Grant, and Romanova Tachihowdoyouspellit I think are superior. Dalton is great, and the more grounded tone complements him well (although there are still some holdover from the Roger Moore era hijinks).
>Licence to Kill
The best Bond film so far, I'm now a yuge Timothy Dalton fan, and I think the movie is pretty much flawless. I really liked Pam Bouvier (and I want to bang her too), Sanchez is a great villain, and Bond gets to show his resourcefulness in a great manner.
Side note, if everyone says Timothy Dalton is underrated but simultaneously rates Timothy Dalton, is he really underrated anymore.
>Goldeneye
The most flawed of the three in my eyes (very easy task), it really just suffers from a slow beginning and I'm not crazy about crazy pyscho b***h. Once it picks up, it's all good but you just can't make mistakes and get into the very top of Bond. Great Eric Serra soundtrack btw.
Also moved down YOLT to good tier, I really don't remember what happens outside of Japan and Blofeld now that I think about it.
>Octopussy in Great tier
Surprisingly based choice
>OHMSS and Thunderball in meh tier
Going to have to ask your reasoning for these ones, anon.
OHMMS is great tier. Thunderball is shit tier.
>OHMSS
I don't know if I'm being filtered or not, but I found this film pretty boring and the ending, while bold, doesn't do enough to elevate the mood and now that I think about it, it felt pretty abrupt, actually. I understand why someone would adore this film, it's more melancholy tone makes for a unique outing, but for me it just doesn't click. It might improve on rewatch though. I will say that the OST is absolutely phenomenal and I listen to it on a regular basis.
>baum, baum, baum, baum... baum, baum, baum, baum...
>Thunderball
I find this film boring and too long, the usual complaints. It's not even the underwater sequences, it's just that the film just meanders around like it's a lazy Sunday. Largo doesn't do enough and despite it supposedly being a race against time, everyone's just hanging around, which just craters the "thrill value" I guess. This film does look good though (so does OHMSS now that I think about it). Part of it is that I had just watched the two Connery god-tier movies FRWL and Goldfinger, so I couldn't help but be disappointed. Although now I think I might have overrated Goldfinger.
Also I just don't like snow action sequences in general, so that sucks for OHMSS. I wasn't crazy about the snow sequences in FYEO or the pre-title sequences in TSWLM or AVTAK (the money shot in Spy aside).
Reasonable complaints, thanks for clarifying. I can see how Thunderball can feel underwhelming coming after From Russia With Love and Goldfinger, it's probably the second-weakest Connery film after Diamonds are Forever but I've always thought it's still decent.
i've always hated thunderball. i hate sunny beach settings and underwater crap. for me, it's from russia with love
What the hell? How can you watch 25 minutes of real life underwater bloody skirmish and not get something out of it? It doesn’t have to be the most all-encompassing Bond film but if the impact and scenery of that sequence doesn’t excite you I assume you’re not one for exotic action
it's just boring as frick. i'm sure it was a lot different for boomers
I saw this movie last month and I was blown away by how visceral that long battle sequence was and how impossible it would be to film today. There is simply no option to just put dozens of divers in a film battle actually smacking eachother without it being some CGI cartoon
to Kill
Absolutely based choice. LtK is probably my favorite Bond movie.
Sanchez is probably the best Bond villain due to few things: how grounded (and thus real) he is, how scary he is on animalistic level, and how great actor was.
Bond here acts like an actual agent, and probably the most intelligent version of it across all movies. He did some quick psycho analysis of Sanchez and masterfully exploted his paranoia by turning him against each of his allies.
The action is fricking gripping and brutal, i also have the soft spot for Bond movies set in tropical environments.
And the plot is very exquisite. I love how the revenge started with the lighter Felix gifted him, and ended with him killing the villain with it.
Fricking beautiful ending.
Connery > Dalton > Craig > Brosnan > Moore > Lazenby
The middle three could be switched around and argued about, but I'm pretty firm on the first and last two. I like a couple of Moore's movies but none of them ever impressed me, and Lazenby blows and OHMSS isn't very good outside of Rigg.
Connery's From Russia with Love and Goldfinger
Brosnan's GoldenEye
and Craig's Casino Royale
are the best Bonds and Bond movies
Old news but apparently the Hitman guys are doing a Bond bideo gaem. It'll be interesting, given the last game is a decade+ old
>ywn again camp on the ski lodge level with briefcase machineguns
>ngmi
>’An attempt might be made to put him away before he had a chance to pit himself against Le Chiffre at the tables. The Russians had no stupid prejudices about murder. And then there was this pest of a girl. He sighed. Women were for recreation. On a job, they got in the way and fogged things up with sex and hurt feelings and all the emotional baggage they carried around. One had to look out for them and take care of them.
>‘Bitch’, said Bond, and then remembering the Muntzes, he said ‘bitch’ again more loudly and walked out of the room’
I’m reading the books, and you should too. They’re fricking 200 page easy reads, I had no idea. Great time
Moonraker is FUN and everyone who hates it is a sad sack of shit. Also has one of the sexiest Bond girls.
it's a big piece of shit and you have the taste of a 8 year old boy hooked on gummy bears
I think what they hated was the book
Michael Lonsdale elevates the movie more than it deserves but it's still an enjoyable ride that doesn't take itself too seriously.
Kind of like Die Another Day in that regard - arguably not a good movie, but a fun one.
Absolutely not. Moonraker is the most dull Bond movie and what little it offers is effortlessly mogged by more competent films. I don't even remember the Bond girl in this one.
Cheers, I love that goofy schlock festival.
Also NO SHE DID NOT HAVE BRACES, I WILL NOT LET YOU FRICKERS GASLIGHT ME. I KNOW WHAT'S REAL.
P…please lie to yourself to prove im being lied to…
>Dr. No
>From Russia With Love
>Goldfinger
>Thunderball
These are the 4 good Connery films.
>You Only Live Twice
>Diamonds Are Forever
These are back-to-back, and I dislike them, but they both have some good parts.
>On Her Majesty's Secret Service
This one is better than the latter Connery ones.
>Live and Let Die
>The Man with the Golden Gun
These are like the latter Conneries with lower budgets.
>The Spy Who Loved Me
>For Your Eyes Only
These are the two best Moore ones;
>Live and Let Die
>The Man with the Golden Gun
>Octopussy
These are 3 more watchable Moore ones, the rest are not good.
>The Living Daylights
>License to Kill
Two good ones.
Connery has 4 good, 2(3?) bad;
Dalton has 2 good;
Moore has 2 good, 3 mediocre, 2 bad;
Lazenby has 1 good;
Brosnan has 0 good but is a good cast for the part;
Craig's Casino Royale is good and Quantum is mediocre, he and Pierce are tied.
Reminder that Timothy Dalton was the closest Bond to the books and the only one that actually "got" the character. Even if he wasn't the best actor.
I do genuinely feel like a lot of people name Connery as their favourite Bond because that’s the one they are “supposed” to like.
For me, it’s because he stands out like Marlon Brando as the only sentient actor in the room, and brings that casual dismissiveness to the character, plus he pulls around women by the arm which is funny and cool
I think it has more to do with Connery's tenure having the strongest run of films. From Russia with Love and Goldfinger alone raise his status, but Dr. No and even Thunderball are better than most Bond movies. As a portrayal Dalton's is my favorite, but Connery's still delivers everything you need for the character and he does it in a memorable way.
>Moore
lol
>Dalton
Had a mere two movies which are solid but are flawed.
>Brosnan
Had one classic.
>Craig
Had one classic, maybe two if you can forgive Skyfall's last act.
He was the most effortless Bond, followed by Brosnan. It was easier for him as the first but he still embodied the character enough for it to seem like we were watching Bond and not agent 007.
Your genuine feelings may be genuine confusion
Connery has the strongest films and screen presence.
You can fricking watch him in the most obscene trash and he's still going to upstage everyone nevermind the good Bond movies he made.
Yeah, Goldeneye is at least top three. It has everything a good Bond film should have, executed flawlessly. Famke’s pure sex makes up for the admittedly disastrous lack of breasts.
There are only two Bond actors, Sean Connery and Roger Moore, and Connery is the definitive one.
Nayrt but many of Brosnan's movies are pretty much capeshit when placed next to the other movies.
Still more fun than most of Craig's dreary bourne-identity ripoffs though.
Casino Royale was fricking moronic. It started out great and would have been fantastic if the arc had finished correctly, but instead of showing the troubled past leading to the ideal man they went woke and had the troubled past lead to a troubled shell of a man because masculinity bad.
Everything Craig did was in anger, because to women all male violence is anger. The point of Bond was being a classy professional who got the job done. Such a monumental frick up.
>ranking
Daltan > Connery = Moore > Lazenby > Brosnan > Craig
>best movies
Living Daylights, License to Kill, Spy Who Loved Me, Live and Let Die, and Thunderball are my favorites
>best girl
Domino, Kara Milovy
>Domino, Kara Milovy
I love to watch Thunderball for she. Pure sex.
Same for Solitaire in Live and Let Die. Average movie, but fricking great Bond's firl.
>Ranking
Moore>Connery>Brosnan>Dalton=Lazenby>Craig
>Best Movies
From Russia With Love, TMWTG, Goldfinger, License to Kill
>Best Girls
Tatiana Romanova, Teresa di Vicenzo, Pam Bouvier
I like all the Bond films except the Craig films, the last one didn't even watch it. Frick those movies and anyone in them.
I think James Bond is a Black person
Personal favorites
>Connery
Dr. No
>Moore
A View to a Kill
>Dalton
License to Kill
>Brosnan
The World Is Not Enough
>Craig
Quantum of Solace
>so tell me, does toppling American missiles really compensate for having no hands?
Completely and utterly without question of a doubt absolutely concisely fricking destroyed. Can anyone ask for better?
Daniel Craig was the fricking worst for two major reasons. His personality was boring as shit AND he literally was never in a good 007 aside from Casino Royale.
Elvis could have been a great James Bond if he could do a Brit accent
Casino Royale
>yeah this important Soviet shit lost his wad trying to buy a prostitutehouse right when pimping became illegal, go frick him up, you master gambling bastard. Ha the treasury wastes millions on stupid defectors daily anyways
~~*Casino Royale))
>listen here 007 your ass is on the line for preventing 9/11, if it wasn’t for my female leadership (go frick yourself btw) you’d be buried underneath the prison!
Ha
Connery
Moore
Architect
Craig
Lazenby
Dalton
>those filenames
Octopussy had a brilliant villain scheme.
Pierce Brosnan > Sean Connery > Roger Moore > Daniel Craig > George Lazenby > David Niven > Timothy Dalton
What kind of psychopath had Dalton that low. Dude was probably the best actor of the bunch
Being a good actor and being a good James Bond are two different things.
>Dalton>Brosnan>Moore>Connery Lazenby>Craig
Goldeneye is god tier kino, and it was my childhood bond movie, but I'd have to say my true favorite is Dalton, I like the Moore Bonds too, man with the golden gun is great.
>Goldeneye is god tier kino
Congratulations on being one of the only people ITT with any fricking taste
It’s not a rare opinion
Connery > Brosnan > Moore > Lazenby > Dalton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
The problem with Craig isn't Craig. It's the writers producers and directors turning edgy bonds into sadboy fanfiction bond
>what is the definitive ranking of bond actors?
ConneryDalton, Brosnan, Lazenby, Moore. None others worth mentioning.
>whose movies are best overall?
Probably Connery although both of Daltons are very watchable and don't include DAF.
>why is the james bond only franchise that doesn't get shit for constantly making sequels?
Probably because they only tried to make them like sequels at the very beginning and very recently. People can go 10 years without seeing a James Bond film and watch a new one and not feel like they've missed anything. Also because after Connery helped define the 60s, all subsequent Bond films have just been a reflection of current trends and they blend in pretty well as a result.
If you disagree with anything I've said here you are a homosexual.
Timothy Dalton got screwed
Daltons goldeneye would have been incredible.
Daniel Craig is the worst Bond and he looks like a fricking caveman.
Unga Bunga.
Great thread, great music, but it is Pierce first and Craig last.
Connery, lazyberry, the rest in any order you like.
>why is the james bond only franchise that doesn't get shit for constantly making sequels?
God's honest take: because there has never been a bad one.
Every. single. Bond. film, each and every one of them, is entertaining as frick and completely watchable to this day. You can throw as much corny shit and lame dumb shit in them as you like, you can go so far as to cuck him and kill him off in the last movie, and the franchise will just keep going.
They'd have to make objectively bad movies to kill the franchise and it's unclear that they are willing or able to do that since they had the opportunity with this last film and it still underwent a massive overhaul to fix it's problems - the same problems that plagued other franchise films.
2006 Casino Royale is the only good Bond movie. The rest are silly goy slop action movies that require breasts and fights to entertain the goys.
>Connery
Deserves all the credit for defining the live-action Bond by perfectly blending rugged masculinity with being a gentleman spy. His best performances are in Dr No and From Russia With Love and he starts to phone it in after that, but he's always interesting to watch.
>Lazenby
Only a contrarian would claim that he was a decent Bond. He was too young and didn't have the gravitas to carry a movie. He gets a chance to shine with the ending where his wife was killed but any of the other Bond actors would've done a better job.
>Moore
Yes his Bond was camp and some of his movies were way too silly but he pulled it off. He had the rare talent of letting the audience know he was in on the joke while also making the character believable. The Spy Who Loved Me shows his ability to be a serious Bond in parts.
>Dalton
Could've been the best Bond if he had better movies. TLD was just a Moore script that he wasn't fully suited for, and LTK showed off his rough side but doesn't feel like a proper Bond movie. If only he got to do Goldeneye as originally planned.
>Brosnan
Decent. Again was let down by subpar films. Would've shined if the movies showed him doing some actual sleuthing instead of quips inbetween action scenes.
>Craig
Overrated, but Casino Royale was one hell of an intro movie. Had no ability to elevate the material he was given afterwards. Ultimately a waste of time and did one movie too many.
What is it with Americans and their man crush on Sean Connery? Fleming himself preferred Moore, btw.
(You)
Fleming died in 1964
Here is my top ten james bond movies
Connery>Moore>Brosnan>Craig>Dalton>Lazenby
That's 3 questions
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