Honestly, it's kinda gross. It's like people pairing Dick with Zatanna. Both pairings Dick/Zatanna and Bruce/Barbara is gross due to the age difference.
>gross
Please return to tumblr, twitter, reddit, or whatever liberal shit hole you came from
>Bruce and Zatanna are childhood friends, and roughly around the same age.
This was a retcon. Pre-Crisis Zatanna was in that mid-ground between the Teen Titans and the JLA, like Batgirl and Supergirl. She was the young rookie of the Satellite era, at least till Firestorm showed up.
Dini made Zatanna and Batman childhood friends in the DCAU and then brought it to the main DCU in his Detective Comics run in the 00s.
Honestly, it's kinda gross. It's like people pairing Dick with Zatanna. Both pairings Dick/Zatanna and Bruce/Barbara is gross due to the age difference.
Surprised that there's no good fan fiction for those two.
Sorry, didn't mean to. I kinda wanted to see it happen myself. and as [...] said, she consistently seemed to be his biggest emotional support, especially with his brother being a dick.
And despite how it looked, their age gap wasnt too big. He was 16-18, while she was I think roughly 12. So reasonable timeframe that a timeskip would put them both in adulthood, which was when the writers planned the shift.
Never understood why it was going to be Lino-o be crushing on her and not the other way around.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wilykit was the more emotionally mature, oddly enough, and during the skip would have become a leader figure in the elephant tribe. o i think the idea was she would serve as an inspiration to him, as well as an emotional backbone.
Sorry, didn't mean to. I kinda wanted to see it happen myself. and as
Watch the show
She's his biggest supporter
said, she consistently seemed to be his biggest emotional support, especially with his brother being a dick.
And despite how it looked, their age gap wasnt too big. He was 16-18, while she was I think roughly 12. So reasonable timeframe that a timeskip would put them both in adulthood, which was when the writers planned the shift.
I just find it hard to believe that Bruce accidentally knocked up Barbara. Talia had to drug him to get that to happen. Bruce is the kind of guy that wraps up every time but gets the best condoms that feel like he has nothing but it's also ribbed and spiked and lubed for her pleasure.
It just makes Bruce look like a groomer since Gordon is one of his closer friends. Thank christ Timm is retired (since he probably raped every female intern her had.)
It also makes Barbara look like a two timing prostitute that only gave Dick a chance because he was the closest thing she could have to the batdick until she ends up finding the perfect chance to rape Bruce.
Yeah, the age difference is such that this fan comic is generally seen as plausible. The people who want Bruce to frick Babs want Batman to frick this little ginger kid.
Batman fricking his son's ex girlfriend was bad enough, but then they turned it into Batman and Batgirl fricking behind Nightwing's back, and Batgirl clearly fricking both of them at the same time.
You don't see why people would hate these changes? Seriously? As unnecessary retcons to the most beloved Batman children's cartoon of all time?
I don't give a shit about Bendis' Luke Cage fetish or his roundabout way of telling his black son to marry a white girl, I care that DC thinks their biggest superhero fricking his son's girlfriend was a good idea.
Prieststroke did this as the big reveal to hammer home just how shitty Deathstroke really was. It's villain behavior.
>At least it’s better than Bendis and his BLACKED shit
Nah, Timm loves redheads getting BLACKED. It happens to Hawkgirl and Babs. The DCAU is pro-BLACKED.
None of that shit happened. Dick and Babs broke up. Bruce and Babs got together. They break up and she gets back with Dick, but finds out she’s pregnant with Bruce’s baby.
Is it that hard to believe that she'd be attracted to someone who holds her same values and happens to be one of the most intelligent, physically competent and attractive men in the planet?
Is it that hard to believe that she'd be attracted to someone who holds her same values and happens to be one of the most intelligent, physically competent and attractive men in the planet?
>she gets back with Dick, but finds out she’s pregnant with Bruce’s baby.
So in less than three months after she and Bruce break up, she goes after his son.
And you don't see a problem with this? Are you a woman?
why are people so bothered with age difference?
Why is that a problem assuming both people interacting are of legal age?
What exactly is the acceptable age gap between two lovers anyways?
I agree but apparently it does and I've seen people freaking out over this here and everywhere else.
SO i want to know what exactly people deem acceptable out of curiosity.
Some people say "age of the male divided by 2 plus 7"
So if Bruce was 30, then Babs would be okay if she was 22
I don't know where that math came from.
>I don't know where that math came from.
The math is fairly simple and makes more sense if you frame it as y*2=x+14 instead.
The idea being that 14 is the late bloomer puberty age, and 2 being such that your partner is never more that twice your age (or less than half).
It's framed on the assumption that power dynamics in relationships are proportional to life experience, and when you go outside these ranges it goes from "mutual growth" to "grooming". Daughterwife territory.
Adding to this:
One of the beautiful things about the math on this is that at any point someone says "They're old enough to be your parent!", you can fire back with "And I'm old enough to have grandkids".
Bare minimum for this age difference between 28 and 42.
Not only is Bruce Timm an idiot for the age difference (he was never specific in the cartoon on how old Babs is), it's also relationship drama, which is not what I tune into Batman for.
Babs is anywhere between 16 and 18 in the cartoon, at best.
Bruce is 30+. >b- but i- it's fine i- if
Age gap, size difference and position of power. It's creepy, anon, keep that shit in your commissioned porn, not in the official content.
I don't like Bruce Timm making it look like what might as well be a 15 year old is getting a big Bat tongue down her throat. If it looks paedo it's paedo.
>it's also relationship drama, which is not what I tune into Batman for.
good thing all the Bruce/Babs stuff makes up no more than 5 minutes of the entire DCAU >a dream sequence in BTAS >Babs mentioning is to Terry in Beyond >Bruce looking at a photo of her in Beyond next to one of Selina and Talia.
That's it. The Batman Beyond comics had nothing to do with Timm >Babs is anywhere between 16 and 18 in the cartoon, at best.
she was in college anon.Then in TNBA she was a college graduate with a job and an apartment she's living in away from her dad. Honest answer, when is the last time you watched the show?
>she was in college anon.
Then why is every woman taller and older than her in appearance and behaviour?
The only womanly thing about her are the various voice actresses pretending they're young again.
>Then why is every woman taller and older than her in appearance and behaviour?
Are you honestly asking why womanlets exist?
she's explicitly said to be college age. She's explicitly shown having a job. Her being petite doens't change that. > something more modern
has nothing to do with the DCAU. >She's batGIRL. Not batWOMAN.
That's been addressed before most people here were born.
We're talking about Bruce Timm, anon.
This is a Bruce Timm thread.
I'm showing you Bruce Timm's works. >b- but other thing
No anon, you're wrong and are just trying to excuse Bruce's paedo streak.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>b- but other thing
That's EXACTLY what you're doing bringing up The Batman's version, which is directly influenced more from post BTAS material where Babs was younger. >This is a Bruce Timm thread.
Has nothing to do with the comic in the OP.
Timm can't have it both ways. He both made Babs a doe eyed 18 year old that looks up to Bruce and had her frick him as well, all while she had already dated Bruce's son.
>He both made Babs a doe eyed 18 year old that looks up to Bruce and had her frick him as well, all while she had already dated Bruce's son.
You make it sound like any of this was an accident?
These are the skeezy c**ts that used to hang around middle and high schools as adults to pick up girls and saw nothing wrong with doing so. It's no surprise they're so willing to lie.
>me, a chad who actually reads the comics he posts about
Babs was 13 when she moved in with Jim. This is Batman Y2, in her 1980s Secret Origin story.
Dick, who is 12 in Y3, is 2 years younger than Barbara.
Everyone knows Bruce was 25 in Batman Year One. Bruce is 13 years older than her.
You're talking about the literal retcon that made her younger. His post was from her actual debut back in Detective Comics #359 in the 60s, where she's introduced as Jim Gordon grown, doctorate holding daughter in a time when Batman and Robin have been around for years.
>Babs is only 2 years older than Dick
Man; wild to know he's 21-22 in this page from Batgirl's debut issue. Why did a bunch of college grands name their group the "Teen Titans" again?
They really didn't need to do this elaborate backstory for her. Could've easily explained her absence in Year One as her being away from college which would've kept her Pre-Crisis age intact.
>Hello, my names James Gordon, let me introduce you to my wife Barbara, and our kids James and Barbara
They really didn't need to do this elaborate backstory for her. Could've easily explained her absence in Year One as her being away from college which would've kept her Pre-Crisis age intact.
Because Miller wrote the plot thread that Gordon was scared about having a child grow up in Gotham
Batman but a pedophile sounds like a character from the Boys >you ever wonder how he always manages to lose another boy/girl wonder or batgirl just before they turn 15? Weird
Then maybe the guy in the tight animal mask with parental issues should stop inviting kids over at night >remember not to tell your daddy the cop Barbara. I’m sho sowy ur an orphan little boy I’ll be your new daddy
>we need an extra layer of DE-eEEpthe >what if..I’ve got it what if he fricks a girl my daughters age, one that he has power and knowledge over >like commissioner Gordon’s daughter, how morally grey would it be if she couldn’t talk to her dad about his best friend fricking her at her side job her dad’s best friend kind of insisted she take so she can be a hero like her daddy
I maintain it that it would've gone over better with people had it not been a blatant self-insert on Timm's end.
That's a lie though.
>gross
Please return to tumblr, twitter, reddit, or whatever liberal shit hole you came from
>Liberal shit hole
I'm the South you dip shit. Even I think the pairing is gross in this region.
Bruce and Zatanna are childhood friends, and roughly around the same age.
So you take compare Dick and Bruce's age gap, and put Zatanna there.
>I'm the South you dip shit. Even I think the pairing is gross in this region.
????
Go back ESL.
How you suck my nuts, you New Englander trash
A southerner with shit taste. What are the odds?
I refuse to believe that Zatanna is 40+ years old
Bruce is 35.
>Bruce and Zatanna are childhood friends, and roughly around the same age.
This was a retcon. Pre-Crisis Zatanna was in that mid-ground between the Teen Titans and the JLA, like Batgirl and Supergirl. She was the young rookie of the Satellite era, at least till Firestorm showed up.
Dini made Zatanna and Batman childhood friends in the DCAU and then brought it to the main DCU in his Detective Comics run in the 00s.
>That's a lie though.
It's not. DCAU Batman was shamelessly Timm's self-insert.
Proof? I mean actual proof btw not your headcanon.
Honestly, it's kinda gross. It's like people pairing Dick with Zatanna. Both pairings Dick/Zatanna and Bruce/Barbara is gross due to the age difference.
Well whats the age gap on dick and zatanna?
Oh please most people who ship Dick/Zatanna are going off the Young Justice cartoon.
>"gross"
Will you frick off back to Twitter already?
bat/babs is just more batwank
To this day, I do not believe this is real and not an edit
I refuse to believe the editors just let Timm do it
>Its problematic!
Honestly, this one makes sense, as if you add up all of dupi-kates ages, they probably were alive for the same amount of time.
I just hate that this incredibly shitty sequence keeps getting reposted.
Frick you OP. Frick you Kyle Higgins, Alec Siegel, and Craig Rousseau.
I'll just drop this.
I sometimes wish this show had gotten a season 2 purely to see how'd get away with this.
Wasn't there going to be two time skips?
Yeah, both were gonna get aged up, with Wilykit moreso. So still an age gap, but one in which both were "legal'
>which both were "legal'
Why did you make it sound bad?
What would they see in each other?
Watch the show
She's his biggest supporter
Surprised that there's no good fan fiction for those two.
Never understood why it was going to be Lino-o be crushing on her and not the other way around.
Wilykit was the more emotionally mature, oddly enough, and during the skip would have become a leader figure in the elephant tribe. o i think the idea was she would serve as an inspiration to him, as well as an emotional backbone.
Sorry, didn't mean to. I kinda wanted to see it happen myself. and as
said, she consistently seemed to be his biggest emotional support, especially with his brother being a dick.
And despite how it looked, their age gap wasnt too big. He was 16-18, while she was I think roughly 12. So reasonable timeframe that a timeskip would put them both in adulthood, which was when the writers planned the shift.
I just find it hard to believe that Bruce accidentally knocked up Barbara. Talia had to drug him to get that to happen. Bruce is the kind of guy that wraps up every time but gets the best condoms that feel like he has nothing but it's also ribbed and spiked and lubed for her pleasure.
Do you think Bat Condoms are a thing, in DC?
I imagine so.
Not like, Bruce is making them but, superhero/villain themed condoms.
batcondoms only work if the dick is hanging upside down
>Shit comic gets called shit
>NO YOU'RE FILTERED
moron
I don't consider Jurgens' fanfiction as canon. He always came across like a salty Dickbabs shipper
That said, I have no issue with how Barbara's and Bruce's relationship is presented in the DCAU.
It just makes Bruce look like a groomer since Gordon is one of his closer friends. Thank christ Timm is retired (since he probably raped every female intern her had.)
>Gordon is one of his closer friends
I don't know if recruiting his daughter to kung fu fight heavily armed mentally ill men is much better.
Gordon is a cop so grooming his daughter to be a law enforcer would probably be preferably to grooming her to suck your bat wiener
Bruce and Babs are both adults, dude.
It also makes Barbara look like a two timing prostitute that only gave Dick a chance because he was the closest thing she could have to the batdick until she ends up finding the perfect chance to rape Bruce.
>he just lets himself get raped
I lost all respect for batman in this movie
He lets Selina, Talia and Ivy rape him all the time.
Yeah, the age difference is such that this fan comic is generally seen as plausible. The people who want Bruce to frick Babs want Batman to frick this little ginger kid.
>Thank christ Timm is retired
He's working on Batman: Caped Crusader.
Batman fricking his son's ex girlfriend was bad enough, but then they turned it into Batman and Batgirl fricking behind Nightwing's back, and Batgirl clearly fricking both of them at the same time.
You don't see why people would hate these changes? Seriously? As unnecessary retcons to the most beloved Batman children's cartoon of all time?
Timm has a fetish anon. At least it’s better than Bendis and his BLACKED shit
I don't give a shit about Bendis' Luke Cage fetish or his roundabout way of telling his black son to marry a white girl, I care that DC thinks their biggest superhero fricking his son's girlfriend was a good idea.
Prieststroke did this as the big reveal to hammer home just how shitty Deathstroke really was. It's villain behavior.
>At least it’s better than Bendis and his BLACKED shit
Nah, Timm loves redheads getting BLACKED. It happens to Hawkgirl and Babs. The DCAU is pro-BLACKED.
DCAU John Stewart is an honorary Aryan
None of that shit happened. Dick and Babs broke up. Bruce and Babs got together. They break up and she gets back with Dick, but finds out she’s pregnant with Bruce’s baby.
That just makes her look like a bawd with daddy issues
Or a young woman being attracted to an older man. The usual
Is it that hard to believe that she'd be attracted to someone who holds her same values and happens to be one of the most intelligent, physically competent and attractive men in the planet?
Who's also your ex boyfriend's father? What sort of butthole do you have to be to rationalize something like this?
>she gets back with Dick, but finds out she’s pregnant with Bruce’s baby.
So in less than three months after she and Bruce break up, she goes after his son.
And you don't see a problem with this? Are you a woman?
Timm had nothing to do with that comic.
Anyway here's Timm on Bruce and Babs in the DCAU from recently.
I ship Dick and Starfire so I don't mind Batman's sloppy seconds being Barbara but doesn't Catwoman have better chemistry with him?
why are people so bothered with age difference?
Why is that a problem assuming both people interacting are of legal age?
What exactly is the acceptable age gap between two lovers anyways?
As long as both characters are adults, it shouldn’t matter.
I agree but apparently it does and I've seen people freaking out over this here and everywhere else.
SO i want to know what exactly people deem acceptable out of curiosity.
Some people say "age of the male divided by 2 plus 7"
So if Bruce was 30, then Babs would be okay if she was 22
I don't know where that math came from.
>I don't know where that math came from.
The math is fairly simple and makes more sense if you frame it as y*2=x+14 instead.
The idea being that 14 is the late bloomer puberty age, and 2 being such that your partner is never more that twice your age (or less than half).
It's framed on the assumption that power dynamics in relationships are proportional to life experience, and when you go outside these ranges it goes from "mutual growth" to "grooming". Daughterwife territory.
Adding to this:
One of the beautiful things about the math on this is that at any point someone says "They're old enough to be your parent!", you can fire back with "And I'm old enough to have grandkids".
Bare minimum for this age difference between 28 and 42.
Not only is Bruce Timm an idiot for the age difference (he was never specific in the cartoon on how old Babs is), it's also relationship drama, which is not what I tune into Batman for.
Babs is anywhere between 16 and 18 in the cartoon, at best.
Bruce is 30+.
>b- but i- it's fine i- if
Age gap, size difference and position of power. It's creepy, anon, keep that shit in your commissioned porn, not in the official content.
I don't like Bruce Timm making it look like what might as well be a 15 year old is getting a big Bat tongue down her throat. If it looks paedo it's paedo.
>it's also relationship drama, which is not what I tune into Batman for.
good thing all the Bruce/Babs stuff makes up no more than 5 minutes of the entire DCAU
>a dream sequence in BTAS
>Babs mentioning is to Terry in Beyond
>Bruce looking at a photo of her in Beyond next to one of Selina and Talia.
That's it. The Batman Beyond comics had nothing to do with Timm
>Babs is anywhere between 16 and 18 in the cartoon, at best.
she was in college anon.Then in TNBA she was a college graduate with a job and an apartment she's living in away from her dad. Honest answer, when is the last time you watched the show?
>she was in college anon.
Then why is every woman taller and older than her in appearance and behaviour?
The only womanly thing about her are the various voice actresses pretending they're young again.
>Then why is every woman taller and older than her in appearance and behaviour?
Are you honestly asking why womanlets exist?
she's explicitly said to be college age. She's explicitly shown having a job. Her being petite doens't change that.
> something more modern
has nothing to do with the DCAU.
>She's batGIRL. Not batWOMAN.
That's been addressed before most people here were born.
We're talking about Bruce Timm, anon.
This is a Bruce Timm thread.
I'm showing you Bruce Timm's works.
>b- but other thing
No anon, you're wrong and are just trying to excuse Bruce's paedo streak.
>b- but other thing
That's EXACTLY what you're doing bringing up The Batman's version, which is directly influenced more from post BTAS material where Babs was younger.
>This is a Bruce Timm thread.
Has nothing to do with the comic in the OP.
>Honest answer, when is the last time you watched the show?
Child
Child
Child
Even going to something more modern: CHILD.
She's batGIRL. Not batWOMAN.
>babs is 18 and bruce is 30+
ok and?
Constant and eternal reminder that Babs was always closer in age to Bruce than she was Dick until the 90s.
She was early 20s here. She turned 25 right before she ran for congress.
Timm can't have it both ways. He both made Babs a doe eyed 18 year old that looks up to Bruce and had her frick him as well, all while she had already dated Bruce's son.
>He both made Babs a doe eyed 18 year old that looks up to Bruce and had her frick him as well, all while she had already dated Bruce's son.
You make it sound like any of this was an accident?
Babs was long out of college when she hooked up with Bruce. She has her own apartment and a job
Babs was 7 years older than Dick pre-crisis
Babs was 2 years older than Dick post-crisis
Bruce was 15 years older than Dick both pre and post-crisis
No matter what era you're looking at, you're wrong.
These are the skeezy c**ts that used to hang around middle and high schools as adults to pick up girls and saw nothing wrong with doing so. It's no surprise they're so willing to lie.
Plenty of women go for older men in the real world. It's pretty common.
Then that means Pre-Crisis Babs is just 8 years younger than Bruce. She was in her mid-20s so it doesn't matter.
>me, a chad who actually reads the comics he posts about
Babs was 13 when she moved in with Jim. This is Batman Y2, in her 1980s Secret Origin story.
Dick, who is 12 in Y3, is 2 years younger than Barbara.
Everyone knows Bruce was 25 in Batman Year One. Bruce is 13 years older than her.
You're talking about the literal retcon that made her younger. His post was from her actual debut back in Detective Comics #359 in the 60s, where she's introduced as Jim Gordon grown, doctorate holding daughter in a time when Batman and Robin have been around for years.
In his post he said she wasn't de-aged till the 90s. I posted a comic from the 80s showing when it actually happened. That was all.
>Babs is only 2 years older than Dick
Man; wild to know he's 21-22 in this page from Batgirl's debut issue. Why did a bunch of college grands name their group the "Teen Titans" again?
Forgot pic.
You're posting a pre-crisis image in response to a post-crisis timeline.
They really didn't need to do this elaborate backstory for her. Could've easily explained her absence in Year One as her being away from college which would've kept her Pre-Crisis age intact.
Didn't Miller say that Jim Jr. was their first child in Y1?
No.
>Hello, my names James Gordon, let me introduce you to my wife Barbara, and our kids James and Barbara
Because Miller wrote the plot thread that Gordon was scared about having a child grow up in Gotham
>Because Miller wrote the plot thread that Gordon was scared about having a child grow up in Gotham
The Gordons had just moved to Gotham, that's why.
you guys would have a conniption watching live action movies.
Plenty of movies with 50 year old men fricking 20-something year old women.
>20-something year old women
They're written as 14 yet played by 38 year old roasties
I don't care about the age difference I just don't like it because it's Batman
Batman but a pedophile sounds like a character from the Boys
>you ever wonder how he always manages to lose another boy/girl wonder or batgirl just before they turn 15? Weird
it sounds like something from every fricking dumb parody of Batman ever. It's not original or clever.
Then maybe the guy in the tight animal mask with parental issues should stop inviting kids over at night
>remember not to tell your daddy the cop Barbara. I’m sho sowy ur an orphan little boy I’ll be your new daddy
>we need an extra layer of DE-eEEpthe
>what if..I’ve got it what if he fricks a girl my daughters age, one that he has power and knowledge over
>like commissioner Gordon’s daughter, how morally grey would it be if she couldn’t talk to her dad about his best friend fricking her at her side job her dad’s best friend kind of insisted she take so she can be a hero like her daddy
Age difference
Wallace is what, 16? Or is he early 20s now that the Young Justice generation got aged up again? How old is the girl?