All jokes aside, who would win?
Personally, Lee in 3 rounds. His hands are registered as lethal weapons, if he killed someone in a fight accidentally he'd get in trouble.
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All jokes aside, who would win? Personally, Lee in 3 rounds.
>who would win?
whitey
In MMA Lee had a chance. His jeet kune do was the forefather of MMA. Lee practiced boxing, catch wrestling and judo. In MMA or a street fight it's a toss up.
So fricking delusional lol
>jeet kune do was the forefather of MMA
So where are the practicioners of jeet now that MMA is at it's mainstream peak?
Nowhere. They couldn’t even compete with Ju Jitsu. Probably the only homosexual eastern fighting style to stand up at all to modern wresting+striking+submission.
That all being said that Uzbek with the funny fat demonstrated that aggressive hugging for 20 minutes is still a viable mma strategy.
Rocky Marciano.
There's truth to this answer though. Marciano had his lean-back crouch attack. Seattle era Bruce Lee was doing something similar, pre-fight he's almost leaning back, but thats part of the non-telegraphic approach. In a ring Ali tears Bruce up quickly, but young angry street fighting Bruce might have gotten in there so quick and locked Ali up, blinded him etc. Seattle Bruce is the one no one talks about, but that was prime Bruce, most everything else is choreographed movie stuff.
Also Seattle Bruce was doing powerline punching ala Jack Dempsey, which was once the only way to box, but has since been forgotten.
>powerline punching
wtf does that mean
>wtf does that mean
Exactly. Rear foot grounded and the energy goes in a straight line from that foot into the body up through the lower two knuckles (hands are not turned like normal boxing) into your face. Bruce got that from Dempsey's book and watching his fights. It seems to have disappeared when you get to Jun Fan Gung Fu and JKD, but the Seattle guys will tell you Bruce started hiding stuff around this time.
This is a misconception. All asians are licensed to drive are lethal weapons.
BRUCE NO!!
Why did he crash the bus?
he didn't want to rive no more
he couldn't buy heavy weapons like in the US to carry out his mass murder suicide fantasy
You'd have to be moronic or know nothing about fighting to unironically thing Bruce Lee was going to beat arguably the greatest heavyweight champ of all time.
that's probably why bruce himself said the same thing
for me, it's Joe Louis
I'd still go with Ali, but Louis is the clear #2 to me.
>inb4 casuals who don't know shit about boxing mention Tyson
Floyd Mayweather is undefeated though.
Floyd is undefeated because he fights under very strict rules known as boxing. He would've gotten heem'd a long time ago if he was in a real fight or, obviously an mma rules fight.
The thing about this Ali vs Lee matchup is that theres a size difference, thats what makes it interesting. Still though, Ali would beat Lee. Im not some boxinggay or anything either, MMA is much more entertaining than boxing, but the size difference would be too much.
I train in a Seattle-Era Bruce school, the only real issue with size is how to close the gap. Once Bruce touched you he was using your size against you, always keeping you grounded and off balance. You can't punch, you can't kick, you're trapped and blinded. We have a guy who is 6 ft 250 lbs or more and he was just marveling the other day when I grounded him out and nullified him. Not saying that I'm any kind of badass but the techniques are real and powerful if someone has mastered them.
This implies that Ali doesn't know how to fight, a fricking professional fighter isn't gonna get judo thrown by someone who's 100 pounds less then they are.
Why are Bruce Lee fans so fricking delusional?
I've said above, Street Fight. Ali eats him up in a ring, but in a situation where Ali doesn't see Bruce even coming, there's no fighting, its all eye-stabs and then soft targets. Bruce was a dirty fighter because he was little (and chinese).
You're a fricking moron.
In a street fight Ali would still beat the shit out of him, you must be a fricking Manlet in major cope right now cause I don't know how the frick you expect a fricking chinklet to even touch someone that tall with that fricking speed
if the wisdom of the ages his mom signed him up for at the strip mall when he was 11 is not the true key to inner power, then his mom was just paying 30 bucks a pop to have him molested.
you've watched too much anime.
No, I've felt what can be done. I don't pretend I can take on a good (even average) boxer, but I've felt guys that can. Your MMA guys can't stab eyes, can't kick shins, can't use elbows. Bruce would do all of that in the first 2 seconds. Someone linked an MMA fight once where the guy got eye-gouged, the fight was essentially over, even 10 minutes later the guy was blind. That is what young Bruce Lee was all about, dirty fighting.
And you unironically think Bruce Lee is gonna manage to get his fingers into the eyes of probably the most evasive HW of all time, who was hard to put hands on for world class boxers who were actually Ali’s size and are trained to propel their arms with as much speed power and precision as humanly possible? Really?
In a street fight where there's not a bell saying "start", yes very possibly. That's what the guy trained all day, "entry". And he wouldn't have tried to go rounds, it would be main in seconds. That was Seattle Bruce. The movies are not real.
Ok. You’re moronic. Moving on.
Cool, I hope someone Phon-Sao's you some day, that will be funny.
I bet you Ali could have taken a full sucker punch from lee no problem.
"Sucker punch" or eye jab wasn't always about doing damage, it was setup work, drawing out a reaction to be used. Bruce would have tried to put Ali on his toes to unbalance him - if Ali swatted away an eye jab that would change his balance and that's probably what Lee would have tried to use.
Total bullshit. MMA has shown traditional martial arts is shit. Unless you are over 200 pounds yourself or 250 guy was just a blob a goo, it’s totally bullshit. Why weight classes in wrestling and MMA. Size does matter. Period. You think can 5’7, 140 could even put a dent in nearly ‘7 290 pound Tyson Fury?
Bruce wasn't doing traditional. That's the whole point, big American guys started to tool him up so he switched what he was doing. He was doing "fencing footwork" almost as soon as he got to America. NOT traditional.
Still doesn’t matter. Lee ain’t beating any professional HW. He ain’t even beating a Light HW. If size stent matter, there’s be no weight classes in combat sports
Size DOES matter, thats why everything that guy did was because he was paranoid of losing. Meaning all the sneak attacks but also all the Fook Yeoung weight-mitigation/grounding techniques, and every punch is maximized - the "1 Inch Punch" that you know was a parlor trick, but the real thing can rupture internals. In a street fight with no gloves where Bruce could touch you, you were in trouble. Gloved Bruce couldn't use his sensitivity nor control the traps.
This is the gayest cope I’ve ever heard. You are saying in a competition to beat another man to submission physically… that having gloves would impair you?
It’s just so fricking moronic. It doesn’t stand to reason at all.
if your style is to use the palm to conform to the limbs and trap them, gloves frick you. If you want to jab an eye or do a raised knuckle punch to a soft spot, gloves frick you. If you want to catch the guy at his extended wrist and "shock" his structure, the gloves prevent this. The point of the eye jab isn't necessarily to hit the eye, its to draw out as well. Once you react that opens up targets and allows your balance to be hijacked. He not trying to fight you, he's making you fight yourself, in a sense.
>Muh Strict rules
Not going to mention no leg ground strikes or soccer kicks in MMA? Or fricking 12 to 6 elbows being banned?
It's going to end up exactly like boxing get off your fricking high horse you moron
Heavyweights are all that matter
You bums. Prime Sonny Liston would murder any heavyweight from any era.
Even Joe Louis would tell you so.
ali embarrassed him twice even while almost blind. wtf are you talking about. liston was a cheating manbaby
He was probably nearing 40 when he fought Ali and all of Ali's best fights in the 60s were fighters that Liston already crippled.
At his physical best, late 50s to early 60s, there is no heavyweight boxer who could beat Sonny Liston.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Someone offered liston to have him spar with Rock Marciano and he declined it out of fear lol. Ali took bombs to the head from Earnie Shavers who hits harder than Liston, and ali had parkinsons during that, and still went the 15 and almost knocked Shavers out. Liston wasn't some old out of shape guy when he fought ali. He underestimated him but he was still at least near his prime and Ali beat the shit out of him, even while blinded. Sonny literally cheated in his fights and blinded his opponents, he's an insult to the sport. When he finally faced a challenge he lost. Ali overcame almost every single challenge. even the ones he lost to before his parkinsons really set in, he rematched and won. Norton is the only one who was ever a real counter to Ali.
Foreman and Liston used to spar together and George hit harder, he would have knocked Liston out. Ali was faster, more durable, 3x as skilled. Liston was scared of Ali and thought he was a rabid animal.
Liston is overrated because of his fear factor, like Tyson. If you could stand up to Liston, he had nothing.
There is no substantiated evidence of what you're saying. I have watched both fights dozens of times. Liston jabbed over and over and Ali dodged it all beautifully, even while blind. Liston did not throw the first fight. He cheated because he was losing and Ali still was beating the crap out of him so he quit. He also quit during the second fight, just a lot earlier, either because it was rigged or because he was afraid and knew he wasn't going to win. Even if you're right it still would only be criticisms towards Liston. Ali would have never thrown a fight like that. He would had died in the ring before doing that. Liston was butthurt as shit that everyone hated him so he adopted his persona as a cope. He was a big baby deep down and just wanted people to like him.
Ali was an actual monster and rightfully beat the frick out of him.
There’s little doubt Liston threw at least one of the fights. Liston that fought Ali is not the same that demolished Floyd Patterson. There’s a great book on mob running boxing and how they were not happy with Liston because he was not a popular HW champ
>Someone offered liston to have him spar with Rock Marciano and he declined it out of fear
This old meme? Don't you have any fresh bait?
>Earnie Shavers who hits harder than Liston
Earnie Shavers mostly fought bums.
>Liston wasn't some old out of shape guy when he fought ali
Try reading the biography Paul Gallender wrote, it's probably the best summary of Liston's life, career, and the context of the Ali fights that will ever be written.
>Sonny literally cheated in his fights and blinded his opponents, he's an insult to the sport
Imagine complaining about cheating in boxing but then unironically praising Muhammad Ali of all fighters.
>Ali overcame almost every single challenge
I agree. I don't even dislike him, I just know enough about boxing to say that no heavyweight in the history of sport, including any era of Muhammad Ali, would beat Sonny Liston at his best.
He was simply and unironically that good of a fighter.
>Foreman and Liston used to spar together and George hit harder
I do not doubt that a young George Foreman in his 20s would probably hit harder than a middle-aged Sonny Liston.
>Liston is overrated because of his fear factor
You filthy casual. Liston's fear factor was earned, the champ himself was shamelessly ducking him for years and Liston went on a streak of convincingly beating serious top 10 contenders and making it look easy.
That's why guys like Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey were calling Liston an absolute beast, at his best he was the kind of guy any old fighter would look at and say "i'm glad he wasn't around when I was active".
>like Tyson
Tyson came up in a weaker era but he dominated and that's all you can really ask of him.
Liston was still absolutely dominating the division when he lost to Ali. You’re talking about him like was aging and on the decline. He was mid-30s and plenty of fighters are still in peak form at that age. This isn’t a case of Tyson beating a 38 year old Larry Holmes who has already lost twice to Spinks.
Actually, Liston threw both fights. He was backed by the mob who were losing money on him as Champ. Whites didn’t like him because he was a thug and they expected he’d win every fight. Ali who was Clay back then people liked. Whole cheating is bullshit. Ali got some of Liston’s shoulder ointment in his eye and sperged out.
Watch the fight. Liston had a massive size reach advantage yet hardly jabbed entire fight
plebs. goat coming thru
What about Jack Johnson in his prime?
the greatest heavyweight champ of all time got heem'd and embarrassed by antonio inoki in their mma match
boxers are morons and shit at real fighting
>shit at real fighting
go say that shit in a boxing gym.
did i say i could beat a boxer?
cope more, your boxing goat got ridiculized by inoki since he knew how to fight and ali didn't, that alone proves boxers are on the bottom of the martial arts food chain
>blah blah blah homosexual talks shit about people who would beat his ass and that of 99.999% of people on earth not knowing how to fight
>inoki
ali weighed 236lbs, inoki weighed 224lbs, both were 6'3". Bruce Lee was 5'8" and 141lbs
that fight isn’t a good example since Ali was actually noble enough to fight as an actual boxer and made no effort to wrestle or kick
You seriously comparing to heavyweights in a MMA bout to fricking Ali vs a 140lb wet Asian man with little fight experience?
Frick me go touch grass
Henry Cooper knocked Ali out. he was saved by the bell....and rumor is Alis trainer used bath salts to wake Ali up.
>if anyone killed somebody, they'd get in trouble. It's called "Manslaughter".
I would, they're both dead
Ali would win, simply because he actually fought competetively, Lee didn't
the difference between them is seven weight classes and that's only because heavyweight is unlimited.
Now, Bruce admired Cassius Clay, he did, but he would have make him a cripple
Lee in 10 to 20 seconds.
Follow Inoki's blueprint
that fight was bullshit months in advance
There is no such thing as Muh hands are registered as lethal weapons
Bruce Lee was a manlit who weighed 140 tops
Ali was 6’2, 190 at his leanest and fast.
There’s a reason there is weight class in every combat sport
Ali is recognized as one best HWs ever. There is zero record of Lee ever being in a legit tournament fight
Lee gays are just seething Asians
>His hands are registered as lethal weapons
Where does that meme come from? This isn't a bruce lee thing. Its a martial arts thing. If you kill someone in a fight in most countries you'll have extra responsibility if you have been trained.
People used to say it generically in the 80's, probably because of kung fu fever
That’s even bullshit. Self defense always comes down to does the action match the threat. You best a guy into a coma for death because he spit on you, that’s excessive use of force. But it guys trying to rob you and you can prove you were honestly scared for your life, it most cases it isn’t
I think MMA dudes could get charged as if they had used weapons during a fight
Didn't Quentin Tarantino settle this?
I'm no grappling-supremacy gay, but wrestlers of various kinds fricked both of their worlds up. A championship era Couture would maul them both, and looking back on things, he was really only heavily versed in clinch work. Gatekeepers these days would cut through Lee and Ali like rice paper.
Obviously Bruce would get demolished if he went up against Ali, but if you put Bruce against a group of untrained normie men would he have a chance?
>110lb bruce lee beating anyone
lol whats he going to do if I rush him and tackle him?
Not be there
Straight up, who would you rather have dry clean and iron your shirt?
Bruce Lee was an actor, not a fighter, all his feats and matches are poorly documented, people hype him up based on what he said or his movies, because thats pretty much all there is, no record, no fighting career, nothing. Ali would kill him
Bruce Lee was 140lbs wet. One solid punch from Ali and Bruce is fricked, and no, that wing chun shit ain't going to stop a haymaker from Ali.
Go to your nearest Muay Thai, BJJ, kickboxing or MMA gym and you will find a handfull of guys who could beat Bruce Lee in a fight, one of the best heavyweights in boxing history would way above the capabilities of a very small man who never fought professionally and barely did full contact sparring
ok, but who would win between alec baldwin and brandon lee?
Ali was twice his size, he would have demolished Lee in any format
ali had a good 100 lb. size advantage almost
it would be inoki vs ali all over again.
No, Inoki was an actual fighter while Bruce lee was an actor
If Lee fought in the UFC he’d be a feather or Batam weight. So basically you’re saying a Batam weight can beat a HW
Bruce and Bill Superfoot Wallace had a discussion about boxing and Bruce told him that Ali would kick the shit out of him and his fists were almost twice his size.
Left: a self-taught acrobatist famous for playing a kung fu gangsta in over-the-top Hollywood films
Right: Belt holding, professionally trained, heavy weight boxing champion
I'm tired of hearing this ricel's name, he was nothing more than an actor, films aren't real life.
Lee was 130lbs. Clay was 200lbs. Lee would get beaten to death instantly.
>5'7" 165 lbs
>6'3" 236 lbs
In a boxing match, Bruce Lee wouldn't last a single round.
>Professional wrestler Bret Hart, then an employee of Inoki's, claimed in his 2008 autobiography that there was no special ruleset, stating that instead, "the black Muslims who were backing Ali made it clear that if Inoki laid a finger on their champ, they would kill him. That's why Inoki lay on his back for fifteen rounds, kicking Ali in the shins so as not to use his hands". This claim was lent credibility by then NJPW referee Mr. Takahashi, who assured it was Ali's entourage and not Ali himself who demanded the restriction. In 2016, the referee Gene LeBell further denied that there were actual limitations on kicking or grappling and said all types of kicking, throwing and grappling were allowed.