After 800 years it's time to admit genetic superiority exists
12 months ago
Anonymous
William the Bastard was an opportunist, there's nothing special about sailing across a narrow sea and then waiting for an army that had just marched 500 miles already tired after finally winning a long war with the Danes a few days earlier. His dynasty didn't even last a two generations and the Normans are hardly mentioned ever again. The most overrated race in history.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Yes it was very calculated. They won a single battle, killed the king, then occupied the centres of power and proceeded to change the laws. They did raze towns but there was basically no one left to organize armed resistance and they got whatever leadership was left to concede within months. Everything was from the top down.
It's true >Just take the names of the Normans who conquered England nearly 1,000 years ago. Surnames such as Baskerville, Darcy, Mandeville and Montgomery are still over-represented at Oxbridge and also among elite occupations such as medicine, law and politics.
>puts you at something of an advantage
For eight hundred years?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I'm sure King Charles being head of state of a dozen countries was down to his brilliant entrepreneurial mind and not centuries of rigid hereditary power structure.
why d people point to these old movies doing midevil times as if they are accurate at al either. real life doesnt have spot lights hitting you at all angles, shits never gonna be well lit like this,
this was a good movie, I do not understand why you think just because they use darker tones that they are trying to make white history look bad or some shit.
>your
You mean our, as in mine. You make the bizarre mistake of thinking that 1000 years later Norman and Anglo-Saxon is seperate, and not the formation or evolution of the nation as a whole which would go on to conquer the world. I have a Norman surname and my family is still largely Northern working/middle class, but take no particular pride in this since I am still regarded as Anglo Saxon and not Norman.
But I am, because apprently my ancestors dropped their French/Norman culture pretty quick, otherwise I'd be speaking French and not English with a few Latin words. Also the fact I don't live in a large manor house suggests lots of marriage with the locals and sons who didn't get to inherit father's estate.
Probably the only time during modern england where Britain was under threat of a major landing invasion, I remember reading that on one occasion the threat was so huge that the Londoners started practicing their french
I like those duck masks. seems very simple but functional
I love Normans so much. Think about it; >Cream of the Viking crop, terrorize France until the King gives you a duchy in exchange for stopping other vikings >Now you have a French wife, worship Jesus, and are called Norman >Some of your barons conquer all of England >Some of your restless second sons still have that Viking wanderlust, tell your King you are going to ravage the Saracen coasts >The King assents, you weren't asking permission but whatever >raid all over North Africa, reconquer Sicily and Naples from the muhammadans >establish two more new cultures, the Siculo-Normans and Italo-Normans >You already had really sweet Norman helmets, but now you event another one of the coolest helmets ever >1096 rolls around and it's time for the Crusades, your core of elite knights form the backbone of several crusades and more second sons establish themselves in the Holy Land
And to top it all off, you're considered one of the most attractive ethnic groups in the world, with blue eyes and black hair.
Best part is that they were the cream of the Vikings while also learning from the French and becoming the cream of the cavalry. Vikings on horses is just too OP
That As 1123. France was dealing with the problems caused by the norman conquest... that is the king of England being both a vassal (through Normandy) and a rival or the king of France. And it got worse later as marriages had Anjou and Aquitany attached to England.
I think in respect to his role as duke of normandy he was still technically a vassal of of the king of france meaning he still owed whatever he owed the king as part of the feudal arrangement for normandy.
I think William stopped being a vassal as soon as his dominance in England was asserted
A king can't be vassal of another king
That As 1123. France was dealing with the problems caused by the norman conquest... that is the king of England being both a vassal (through Normandy) and a rival or the king of France. And it got worse later as marriages had Anjou and Aquitany attached to England.
should have done the kino King *in* England title like what the prussians did. basically the exact same situation
He was King OF england though. He obtained that title, but he retained the title of duke of Normandy which was part of France. It isn't like Crusader Kings where everything needs to belong to a particular realm, things can technically have complex relationships with each other.
12 months ago
Anonymous
maybe if you werent such a moronic Black person and could at least read a fricking wiki link you would know its the same thing. hes a duke IN france. in england hes a king because hes the king OF england. but england isnt an integrated part of FRANCE so the french KING doesnt recognize his duke subject as KING.
>had to google what he was complaining about >Regiments basically had flags to help identify them on the battlefield for commanders >autism about protecting the flag emerges based on a one sided belief that if the flag was lost it was dishonorable >This autism becomes so exploitable that by the late 1880s they just stopped doing it.
Kek, talk about setting yourself up for suffering.
Given the technology at the time there were obviously better ways to give commanders visual identification for various regiments.
Forming an autistic fixation over symbology is primarily why color battalions were targeted and eventually retired.
It's just a piece of cloth in the end, don't unironically give your enemies something so exploitable.
about protecting the flag emerges based on a one sided belief that if the flag was lost it was dishonorable
Ye that was his only problem for sure. His 'complaining' probably had nothing to do with Simmerson disobeying orders and cutting off and leaving his own men to die
Flagbearer responsibility to keep it up, because flag going down means your leader has either died or fled/left his men behind (unless its a trick like at battle of Grunwald leading to teutons overextending when chasing the king).
>Oh no we lost the metaphor ahhh we're losing AHHHH!
Best of all it has no religious relevancy, yet resembles a sort of occultism propped up by the military state.
Alright that's fair, if the Romans actually believed the eagle was some sort of religious totem where as losing it would result in divine judgement then ok.
But the UK was christian and while Kings are crowned under god they carry no such divinity as to bless a flag, nor is it christian at all to hold such spiritual beliefs for it.
12 months ago
Anonymous
You're arguing with half the facts there anon.
The king is blessed by God with the divine right to rule. The King's colors are similarly blessed. To lose the colors is to lose God's closest servant's honor. From their perspective.
I didn't even know brits were buckbroken trice. First they were conquered by romans, then by saxons, then by normans (who were german or nords too). Are there any native brits left?
The descendants of natives are the people of Wales. In fact, they weren't even the first in the island, the real natives (the people who built Stonehenge) seem to have disappeared thousands of years ago.
Before the Romans the Celts invaded. The Danes invaded after the Saxons, shortly before the Normans. The conquering was largely cultural than demographic though.
Btw, this is largely why British girls are so ugly. They were conquered so many times throughout history that all the pretty ones were abducted back to Rome/Norway/Saxony, while the Becky's were too ugly and stayed on the island
You jest, but I read somewhere (it was a serious source) that when Anglo-Saxon men arrived, they found the breton women so ugly they didn't even want to rape them and instead had their own women sailed all the way from Germania in order to have children with
>Are there any native brits left
Plenty of Englishmen have majority Brythonic DNA. They may have been conquered but they never disappeared. The conquerors had no will to genocide their new slaves and weren't numerous enough to replace the local population.
>hehehe ACHSHUALLY they didn't REALLY beat us because they adopted our culture!
lmao brits
huh both chyna and england really have been repeatedly raped and ruled over by foreigners. at least china really DID have something of a culture to copy. theoretically, what does a celt/saxon/dane/norman who adapts english culture look like?
They assimilated, just like every conqueror of China. That is just how powerful Chinese culture is. Pic related, built while Europeans were living in the mud shacks.
>That is just how powerful Chinese culture is
A shame that didn't prevent chinese from being repeatedly conquered, killed and raped by foreign invaders over a thousand years
ACHSHUALLY they didn't REALLY beat us because they adopted our culture!
The cope is even funnier when you realize 60% of English words have a Norman origin
England (and Wales) was 2.1 million, because Anglo-Saxon England didn't even control Wales it was likely below 2 million.
Meanwhile, France's was 8.4 million, especially North France had a high population density. So, Normandy had a population density of 80.
How cucked was the French king that a bunch of smelly ice Black folk could just march in and take over a huge portion of his kingdom for him just to say >o-ok you can stay and here I'll make you a duke
?
Because it was a shithole with nothing there except poor farmers and peasants. It was beneficial for the king to have some decent leadership and warriors in the area that would bow to him. Why do you think William the Bastard was so keen to go to England?
And now over 1000 years after the fact Normandy is still France.
Same happened to the Danes in England and dozens of other instances with other tribes around Europe. You make them swear fealty, and as the power tends to concentrate under the crown as history progresses, you essentially get that territory back.
Impossible, if the movie is an anglo production they have to cope making the conquerors not too French for the sake of national ego, same if they're making anything involving Spain, they're ridiculous
That wouldn't be too hard since the invaders were Norman, Breton (Celts of British origin) and Flemish, with some French. Only people with insecurities when it comes to the English forces them to overstate the French element of the Norman invasion. Even the real French nobles who claimed the throne after the Normans died out couldn't wait to become English. Almost immediately three generations of kings were all given the English name, Edward, and by Henry IV were speaking English as a first language.
>dude eventually after a hundred years or so once france lost its hegemony some of the foreigners who ruled over us even bothered to learn our language! heh so basically we are undefeated
None of those people exist anymore. The modern royal family are Anglo/German inbreds and what's left of the Normans are now a mutt race of middle class Brits. I think this kind of shitposting is about 700 years out of date.
Nothing funnier than a bri'ish desperately clinging to some moronic concept of national identity while their government does everything possible to dissolve it.
Exactly this. I always thought that people who call burgers mutts are just foreigners who aren't familiar with European history. Borders have changed too much and women have been taken too many times for anyone in Europe to be only 1 ethnicity.
there is absolutely less mixture between european peoples than their american ethnic counterparts. and the difference is euros are mutts of only white people, not natives and blacks too
Not conquest, they were refugees
Let them in
>not conquest
It's been almost 800 years and people with norman surnames still make up the majority of the elite and upper social classes in England
"Yes, my fellow Englischmen, we need to stand against the dangerous French menace and support the house of S̶a̶x̶e̶-̶C̶o̶b̶u̶r̶g̶-̶G̶o̶t̶h̶a̶ Windsor"
>Anno Domini 2000 and 23.
>not being a Jacobite
People gotta get with the program
what are some norman surnames?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Surnames_of_Norman_origin
This is super interesting.
Had a friend in Secondary named Hamill. Intelligent, held himself in high regard. Works in finance now.
Should've tried to marry his sister.
After 800 years it's time to admit genetic superiority exists
William the Bastard was an opportunist, there's nothing special about sailing across a narrow sea and then waiting for an army that had just marched 500 miles already tired after finally winning a long war with the Danes a few days earlier. His dynasty didn't even last a two generations and the Normans are hardly mentioned ever again. The most overrated race in history.
Yes it was very calculated. They won a single battle, killed the king, then occupied the centres of power and proceeded to change the laws. They did raze towns but there was basically no one left to organize armed resistance and they got whatever leadership was left to concede within months. Everything was from the top down.
There's no way that Cholmondley is a poor name—you probably need to go to Eton or Winchester to even know how to pronounce it.
Disney
The ones that sound French.
It's true
>Just take the names of the Normans who conquered England nearly 1,000 years ago. Surnames such as Baskerville, Darcy, Mandeville and Montgomery are still over-represented at Oxbridge and also among elite occupations such as medicine, law and politics.
https://www.takimag.com/article/give_it_up_psmithe_steves_sailer/
Like I said, at some point you have to admit it's genetic superiority
It's been fricking 800 years
Or it could be that being given huge amounts of lands for free and legal power over people puts you at something of an advantage.
>puts you at something of an advantage
For eight hundred years?
Yeah I'm sure King Charles being head of state of a dozen countries was down to his brilliant entrepreneurial mind and not centuries of rigid hereditary power structure.
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Vikings won
>tfw Anglo-Norman name.
No.
was the medieval times really blue like that
Very.
why d people point to these old movies doing midevil times as if they are accurate at al either. real life doesnt have spot lights hitting you at all angles, shits never gonna be well lit like this,
At least you can see what is going on
No. Its bullshit. The whole "dArK aGeS" thing is a lie
its probably because it was just early morning or evening when the scene was being filmed
this was a good movie, I do not understand why you think just because they use darker tones that they are trying to make white history look bad or some shit.
lol France was never a threat.
your royal motto is literally written in french, normans completely changed your language
just take the L and move on
>your
You mean our, as in mine. You make the bizarre mistake of thinking that 1000 years later Norman and Anglo-Saxon is seperate, and not the formation or evolution of the nation as a whole which would go on to conquer the world. I have a Norman surname and my family is still largely Northern working/middle class, but take no particular pride in this since I am still regarded as Anglo Saxon and not Norman.
This is cope
I'm English, with a Norman surname. You're moronic for even thinking you have anything relevant to say on the subject.
You will never be English.
But I am, because apprently my ancestors dropped their French/Norman culture pretty quick, otherwise I'd be speaking French and not English with a few Latin words. Also the fact I don't live in a large manor house suggests lots of marriage with the locals and sons who didn't get to inherit father's estate.
cope
>I'm English, with a Norman surname. You're moronic for even thinking you have anything relevant to say on the subject.
Probably the only time during modern england where Britain was under threat of a major landing invasion, I remember reading that on one occasion the threat was so huge that the Londoners started practicing their french
Rulers and nobility all over Europe were TERRIFIED of Napoleon
Had he won at Waterloo, most of Europe would have surrendered immediately.
You no longer have an empire bro
But a mere province of it was.
cope
Good things Normans didn't bow to the Capetian keks then
block your way
Pigeons a cute.
I like those duck masks. seems very simple but functional
I love Normans so much. Think about it;
>Cream of the Viking crop, terrorize France until the King gives you a duchy in exchange for stopping other vikings
>Now you have a French wife, worship Jesus, and are called Norman
>Some of your barons conquer all of England
>Some of your restless second sons still have that Viking wanderlust, tell your King you are going to ravage the Saracen coasts
>The King assents, you weren't asking permission but whatever
>raid all over North Africa, reconquer Sicily and Naples from the muhammadans
>establish two more new cultures, the Siculo-Normans and Italo-Normans
>You already had really sweet Norman helmets, but now you event another one of the coolest helmets ever
>1096 rolls around and it's time for the Crusades, your core of elite knights form the backbone of several crusades and more second sons establish themselves in the Holy Land
And to top it all off, you're considered one of the most attractive ethnic groups in the world, with blue eyes and black hair.
heh yeah they were Europe's natural Chad population group for a while there
>Siculo-Normans and Italo-Normans
those are the same thing. people just cant decide which one sounds cooler. as for me? its got to be siculo-norman
Best part is that they were the cream of the Vikings while also learning from the French and becoming the cream of the cavalry. Vikings on horses is just too OP
Arab buckbroken?
Ahh, the French.
Tennis balls.
The greatest Shakespeare movie.
sheesh dude sorry. dude doesn't like tennis how was I to know?
Fricking love Brian Blessed.
That's US Open winner Wawarinka
fricking kino
Fricking love Branagh's Henry V and Kurosawa's Ran. Two of my favourite.
Kino.
I know Bale identifies as English, but.
my ckii plauthroughs
I love taking out these kingdoms one by one until I’m the Emperor of Hispania
Play as one of muslim taifas and resurrect the Caliphate of Córdoba
No and there's a frustrating lack of anglosaxon kino. We have to make do with shit like the last kingdom
That As 1123. France was dealing with the problems caused by the norman conquest... that is the king of England being both a vassal (through Normandy) and a rival or the king of France. And it got worse later as marriages had Anjou and Aquitany attached to England.
I think William stopped being a vassal as soon as his dominance in England was asserted
A king can't be vassal of another king
I think in respect to his role as duke of normandy he was still technically a vassal of of the king of france meaning he still owed whatever he owed the king as part of the feudal arrangement for normandy.
should have done the kino King *in* England title like what the prussians did. basically the exact same situation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_in_Prussia
He was King OF england though. He obtained that title, but he retained the title of duke of Normandy which was part of France. It isn't like Crusader Kings where everything needs to belong to a particular realm, things can technically have complex relationships with each other.
maybe if you werent such a moronic Black person and could at least read a fricking wiki link you would know its the same thing. hes a duke IN france. in england hes a king because hes the king OF england. but england isnt an integrated part of FRANCE so the french KING doesnt recognize his duke subject as KING.
Nope. Picrel is Richard the Lionheart paying homage to Philip Augustus as his duke of Aquitaine a few decades later.
>had to google what he was complaining about
>Regiments basically had flags to help identify them on the battlefield for commanders
>autism about protecting the flag emerges based on a one sided belief that if the flag was lost it was dishonorable
>This autism becomes so exploitable that by the late 1880s they just stopped doing it.
Kek, talk about setting yourself up for suffering.
>it's autism to think losing an important battlefield tactical and symbolic tool is bad
Given the technology at the time there were obviously better ways to give commanders visual identification for various regiments.
Forming an autistic fixation over symbology is primarily why color battalions were targeted and eventually retired.
It's just a piece of cloth in the end, don't unironically give your enemies something so exploitable.
its a piece of cloth you dolt. a new one can be remade easily
about protecting the flag emerges based on a one sided belief that if the flag was lost it was dishonorable
Ye that was his only problem for sure. His 'complaining' probably had nothing to do with Simmerson disobeying orders and cutting off and leaving his own men to die
>Roman Eagle
>French Eagle
>The King's Colors
This concept is really new to you?
autism. youre supposed to have a nice day every time you lose a battle?
Flagbearer responsibility to keep it up, because flag going down means your leader has either died or fled/left his men behind (unless its a trick like at battle of Grunwald leading to teutons overextending when chasing the king).
Hey moron, 70%+ of the casualties in a battle would be during the route. You should avoid losing the colors even in defeat.
>Oh no we lost the metaphor ahhh we're losing AHHHH!
Best of all it has no religious relevancy, yet resembles a sort of occultism propped up by the military state.
The Roman Eagle was very much religiously significant. The French Eagles were literally just Napoleon copying the Roman Eagles.
Alright that's fair, if the Romans actually believed the eagle was some sort of religious totem where as losing it would result in divine judgement then ok.
But the UK was christian and while Kings are crowned under god they carry no such divinity as to bless a flag, nor is it christian at all to hold such spiritual beliefs for it.
You're arguing with half the facts there anon.
The king is blessed by God with the divine right to rule. The King's colors are similarly blessed. To lose the colors is to lose God's closest servant's honor. From their perspective.
I love joan of arc and quite frankly I love french people too
I didn't even know brits were buckbroken trice. First they were conquered by romans, then by saxons, then by normans (who were german or nords too). Are there any native brits left?
The descendants of natives are the people of Wales. In fact, they weren't even the first in the island, the real natives (the people who built Stonehenge) seem to have disappeared thousands of years ago.
>(the people who built Stonehenge) seem to have disappeared thousands of years ago.
what happened to them
they probably went the way of Dogerland
No one knows who they were, or what they were doing. But their legacy remains, hewn into the living rock, of Stonehenge.
They passed throught the mists into Færie.
Mr Bean
Before the Romans the Celts invaded. The Danes invaded after the Saxons, shortly before the Normans. The conquering was largely cultural than demographic though.
Btw, this is largely why British girls are so ugly. They were conquered so many times throughout history that all the pretty ones were abducted back to Rome/Norway/Saxony, while the Becky's were too ugly and stayed on the island
You jest, but I read somewhere (it was a serious source) that when Anglo-Saxon men arrived, they found the breton women so ugly they didn't even want to rape them and instead had their own women sailed all the way from Germania in order to have children with
>Are there any native brits left
Plenty of Englishmen have majority Brythonic DNA. They may have been conquered but they never disappeared. The conquerors had no will to genocide their new slaves and weren't numerous enough to replace the local population.
>Are there any native brits left?
Maisie Williams
yeah it came out in 1476
Sue is my historyfu.
>hehehe ACHSHUALLY they didn't REALLY beat us because they adopted our culture!
lmao brits
ACHSHUALLY they didn't REALLY beat us because they adopted our culture!
.t China
huh both chyna and england really have been repeatedly raped and ruled over by foreigners. at least china really DID have something of a culture to copy. theoretically, what does a celt/saxon/dane/norman who adapts english culture look like?
>if we're part of the Mongol Empire that means the Mongols were Chinese!
They assimilated, just like every conqueror of China. That is just how powerful Chinese culture is. Pic related, built while Europeans were living in the mud shacks.
>That is just how powerful Chinese culture is
A shame that didn't prevent chinese from being repeatedly conquered, killed and raped by foreign invaders over a thousand years
>a wide road and...A GARDEN!
Wow truly implessive! You guys make great slaves you served your masters well here!
But really by this point modern Brits are the descendants of both. You aren't talking to 9th century British people dude
ACHSHUALLY they didn't REALLY beat us because they adopted our culture!
The cope is even funnier when you realize 60% of English words have a Norman origin
>Any good movies about the Norman conquest of England?
Wait what? Normandy conquered England? Are they mutts like Americans?
are harold wouldve smashed them easy if he didn't have to fight the d*nes at the same time
Imagine if norwegians conquered England, maybe british women wouldn't be so ugly today
saxons and nords are genetically pretty much identical but england is still ~60% c*ltoid genetically and would've remained so no matter who ruled it
Fun fact in 1066 England was sparsely populated tribal shithole, and Normandy was advanced and had more people than all of England.
Absolute bullshit. England was well over 3 million people around that time Normandy was half a million tops.
England (and Wales) was 2.1 million, because Anglo-Saxon England didn't even control Wales it was likely below 2 million.
Meanwhile, France's was 8.4 million, especially North France had a high population density. So, Normandy had a population density of 80.
You'll have to do better than that. Normandy had nowhere near the population of England and you're making a fool of yourself pretending otherwise.
do king arthur films count? those legends are basically the french mogging boring ass epics like beowulf
Beowulf is really funny. It's basically a 1200 year old shonen featuring an incredibly op protagonist.
yeah it really feels like it was written by an edgy 12 year old
How cucked was the French king that a bunch of smelly ice Black folk could just march in and take over a huge portion of his kingdom for him just to say >o-ok you can stay and here I'll make you a duke
?
Because it was a shithole with nothing there except poor farmers and peasants. It was beneficial for the king to have some decent leadership and warriors in the area that would bow to him. Why do you think William the Bastard was so keen to go to England?
Because those ice Black folk would stop other ice Black folk from raiding down the French rivers
And now over 1000 years after the fact Normandy is still France.
Same happened to the Danes in England and dozens of other instances with other tribes around Europe. You make them swear fealty, and as the power tends to concentrate under the crown as history progresses, you essentially get that territory back.
Impossible, if the movie is an anglo production they have to cope making the conquerors not too French for the sake of national ego, same if they're making anything involving Spain, they're ridiculous
That wouldn't be too hard since the invaders were Norman, Breton (Celts of British origin) and Flemish, with some French. Only people with insecurities when it comes to the English forces them to overstate the French element of the Norman invasion. Even the real French nobles who claimed the throne after the Normans died out couldn't wait to become English. Almost immediately three generations of kings were all given the English name, Edward, and by Henry IV were speaking English as a first language.
>dude eventually after a hundred years or so once france lost its hegemony some of the foreigners who ruled over us even bothered to learn our language! heh so basically we are undefeated
None of those people exist anymore. The modern royal family are Anglo/German inbreds and what's left of the Normans are now a mutt race of middle class Brits. I think this kind of shitposting is about 700 years out of date.
Nothing funnier than a bri'ish desperately clinging to some moronic concept of national identity while their government does everything possible to dissolve it.
what do they know of england, who only england know?
>who only england know
well, england and pakistan and india and poland and north africa and south africa and china
>national identity
>moronic concept
it's always easy to spot the perverse mind of a israelite
Watching the stupidity of people linking 21st century nation states to extinct dark age tribes and petty kingdoms is much funnier.
OH N-
>posting the bs max extend of the raids map as "Al Andalus"
Not even Hispanic, but why they keep doing it?
How did these Andaluhomies manage to frick up a lead this badly.
They loved redheads so much they bleached themselves out of existence
The British are Celtic/Germanic mutts, while Americans are African/Indio/Slavic/Italian mutt creatures.
The funny part is I'm American and none of those ethnicities lol. One of them is kinda close at least.
America is a latinx country.
>this is the people calling you a mutt
Exactly this. I always thought that people who call burgers mutts are just foreigners who aren't familiar with European history. Borders have changed too much and women have been taken too many times for anyone in Europe to be only 1 ethnicity.
I think most americans aren't even that muttified
It's not like here in Brazil and even here we still have a significant population that hasn't been muttified, mostly in the south
hysterical cope
there is absolutely less mixture between european peoples than their american ethnic counterparts. and the difference is euros are mutts of only white people, not natives and blacks too
White Americans rarely have black and injun admixture.
>not natives and blacks too
Wait do euros really think this? Their mutt b***hing makes a little more sense now
Saying Americans are all mixed with black and injun blood is like claiming all euros are mixed with gypsies.
10% of white americans are born with mongoloid spots. Nobody knows how many carry that gene recessively.
Tick tock
Maybe an adaption of Ivanhoe. I just started reading it and it takes place soon after the invasion.
>Normans
Vlandians*