Brain drilling and Brofeld reveal in Spectre. I couldn't believe what I was watching in the theater. It was so unbelievably stupid, like actually worse than the tidal wave surfing in DAD. At least that was just a brief action sequence that you could easily ignore. Brofeld was a major plot point that retroactively made the previous Craig films worse and to this day I can't believe someone thought that was a good idea.
>worse than the tidal wave surfing in DAD
That was corny but not worse than the corny Moore movies. Blofeld being Bond's brother was Austin Powers tier plotting in a movie that was supposed to be gritty and real. Just crap.
Spectre is trash and Quantum is incomprehensible, but I thought No Time to Die wasn't THAT bad. Rami Malek did a good job as not-Dr. No, cool hideout, action scenes were cool, surprising amount of chemistry between Craig and Lea (at least I thought their relationship worked). Negress was cringe and useless.
It was that bad. I appreciated that they made Craig try Bond puns/quips but he has no charisma so it fell flat plus too little, too late. The ending makes it THAT bad. Utterly pointless and unnecessary since the virus is still out there due to Blofeld's blood.
Spectre is trash and Quantum is incomprehensible, but I thought No Time to Die wasn't THAT bad. Rami Malek did a good job as not-Dr. No, cool hideout, action scenes were cool, surprising amount of chemistry between Craig and Lea (at least I thought their relationship worked). Negress was cringe and useless.
>cast a hugely famous actress and closest to sex symbol of the 2020's for a bit part lasting barely 20 minutes >instead of the leading Bond girl >we get Lea who's dressed like a nun and always cries or looks like a b***h >waste her when she could be the leading Bond girl for Bond 26
IIRC Craig had enjoyed working with Ana on Knives Out and he got her that small part in NTTD.
Her character and the whole Cuba sequence is the best part of the film, so it was obviously a good call.
It's a MASSIVE waste of a potentially legendary Bond girl in a bit part in the franchise's worst movie. Him trying to be like Roger Moore in this segment was awful. Craig has NO charisma whatsoever.
No, no self-respecting Bond fan would put any of those below NTTD, a malicious subversive piece of trash that has (very possibly) killed the character and franchise forever in the public consciousness.
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>killed the character and franchise forever in the public consciousness
No Time to Die has an 88% RT audience score, a 7.3 IMDb rating which is only 0.5 points below Skyfall, and it managed to be the 3rd highest grossing Bond film and the 3rd highest grossing film of all time in the UK despite releasing at a time when theaters hadn't fully recovered from covid yet.
The public clearly regards it far more positively than you.
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>the public >he said >she said
Anon, a fricking Barbie movie made a billion because the studio funded a marketing campaign through astroturfing on TikTok. People went and blew hard earned money on it so they felt like they were part of an event. People are cattle.
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In which case there's no point in saying Bond was "killed in the public consciousness" if the next Bond reboot can be a success as long as it's marketed well
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A Bond movie with an Australian car salesman made crazy money for 60's BO. The brand doesn't need marketing, it can still make money but making a great Bond that sticks to the character's values and core like Brosnan can not only make EON substantially more money while regaining the cultural stronghold Bond had in previous generation. I don't see the same reverence millenials had for Pierce in zoomers and Craig. Maybe Gen Alpha and Aaron-Taylor Johnson can be a different story, who knows.. I hope so, a new good Bond movie will save this generation.
NTTD was good and Casino Royale was good but Quantum of Solace, I agree I had no idea what was happening and I don't even remember the point of Spectre. Skyfall was almost good.
If I am not to give the answer of 'when they announced him for the role' or 'Casino Royale', then it is by Spectre where it becomes a complete unsalvageable clusterfrick. Spectre has a bunch of problems in itself (which also compound off issues in QoS and Skyfall, and depending on your view CR) and it sees the tone of Craig-Bond become schizophrenic.
>Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace
Jason Bourne >Skyfall
The Dark Knight/Nolan. >Spectre
Mission Impossible with the gay team up power of friendship shit. >No Time To Die
nostalgia wank made with Marvel capeshit sensibilities
His entire era is just one sad charade of imitations. If the next one isn't even half as good as GoldenEye and doesn't bring back classic trailblazer Bond then it's over. Bond will truly be a relic and gen alpha won't know what the frick James Bond is.
Only some Bondkino can save Gen Alpha, Gen Z is long gone.
The MOMENT Judi Drench was cast as M the series was over forever. Brosnan era is ruined by her presence and kept from being true kino and thus non canon. Dalton was the last Bond, good as Pierce was.
He goes to gay bars with the flimsiest excuse of not wanting to go to fights despite paying a Playboy model to make him seem like he's some alpha male with bullshit in the papers about how he fricked for 7 hours straight yet he's afraid of a bar fight.
>he's afraid of a bar fight.
Bar fights don't happen all the time in most normal pubs, at least the kind of bar Craig would go to, only women would believe this shit. This is just Craig saying straight males are toxic.
This. He just made it clear to the world he's a total flamer and not without the novelty of at least saying it but making the most pathetic excuse on top. He should just transition into a troon.
Impressive how Daniel Craig manages to live in so many anons' heads completely rent-free.
He's not my personal favourite Bond that'd be Dalton and he's definitely got more bad films than good, but for god's sake, you can't actually have a Bond thread on Cinemaphile without a bunch of obsessed gays constantly bringing up Craig just so they can whinge like "UGH I HATE CRAIG WORST BOND WORST FILMS WORST HAIR HE'S NOT EVEN GOOD-LOOKING LIKE DADDY PIERCE OR TIMMY LITERALLY NOTHING GOOD ABOUT HIM EUUUUUUUUUGH." And if it's not seething over Craig, then it's seething over that one fricking line in M's scene in Goldeneye.
Christ, just give it a fricking rest already. Talk about what you actually like about the Bond films, you complete autists.
The franchise is DEAD, the only media released in 4 years is a cash-grab reality show thinly veiled as a 007 property because Barbara knows no one cares what she does beyond Bond. It's dead and he killed it, along with Barbara. Both of them killed it. Naturally, in this barren time, we can't get over how shit things are and will project our frustrations on that ugly as sin homosexual fricking moron. You're right though it takes up way too much attention and I agree if you hate someone not giving them your energy is best so to steer things away, here's my ranking. A ranking thread always mellows things out.,
>Talk about what you actually like about the Bond films, you complete autists.
You dumb frick, there hasn't been a Bond film without Craig since fricking 2002. We talk about Craig because he's squatted over a franchise he doesn't particularly like for longer than Lazenby, Moore and Dalton combined.
Longer than all five before him. 15 FRICKING YEARS. Then there's NTTD. We have every reason to shit on him every chance we get because this fricking c**t deserves it. Slavic dysgenic gay.
>I hate the fricking morons on this board so much it's unreal, anti-Craig gays being just one example
Every single criticism is legit, you're unconsciously furious because you've soaked into the zeitgest and know this movie and Bond to be accepted by everyone else and you, being quite a weak willed person, are emotionally angry over such nonsense because you can't stand people saying things you've heard to be true are actually false.
Correction, the criticism might be sincere. Whether it's legit is another matter.
From my point of view it's retroactive and based on latter Bond movies that Craig did, but to suggest the early ones he did are bad is stretching it.
I was there and I saw them. They were fine.
>From my point of view it's retroactive and based on latter Bond movies that Craig did, but to suggest the early ones he did are bad is stretching it. >I was there and I saw them. They were fine.
CR and QoS were good. Skyfall was shit and subversive but astroturfed due to the Adele song and le cinematography. That's it. Nothing is good about that movie. The tacticool James Bond: Call of Duty/James Bourne aesthetic of his first ones was retroactively pretty kino and sincere. It's when he tried to be like Sean Connery and nostalgia bait that it came apart.
They spent so much on No Time to Die, it needed to pass 900,000,000 just to break even. These people are such fricking morons. How do decisions like this even happen?
The first ten minutes of Quantum of Solace. Imagine following up Casino Royale and the good feeling around the franchise it created (even if it had flaws) with that absolute turd.
No Time to Die original plot >rami malek creates nano bot bio weapon that is spread through a vaccine originally, then sheds via touch >the weapon can be used to genocide specific races >COVID happens >NTTD gets pushed back and huge script rewrites >adds in random sections about a previous love interest and a kid >remove all mentions of the vaccine >nano bots mentioned but only used to kill spectre, blofeld and cuck bond >throw in a black woman >missiles, it's about missiles now
Original movie probably would have been kino
>>rami malek creates nano bot bio weapon that is spread through a vaccine originally, then sheds via touch >>the weapon can be used to genocide specific races
>right after Casino Royale. Which was the only good Bond movie ever.
I swear, CR must be top NPC core like Marvel movies, LOTR slop and Harry Potter. It's so cynical, post-modern, devoid of sincerity that it appeals to inhumane bugmen like you. All Bond movies before Craig were good and legendary cinema, they were the GTA of the movie industry to put it in terms your fried zoomer brain understands.
NTA but this is wrong. Bond movies and especially a lot of the old ones are textbook slop. Enjoyable slop but slop nonetheless.
And LOTR on the whole is a better cinematic achievement despite being made a bit too late into the game and suffering from some proto-modern blockbuster issues.
LOTR is proto-capeshit and goyslop version of the books. I like them but man you could see the cracks on rewatch. Bond movies aren't slop, they're the biggest cinematic events (before Craig) and playing Bond is the highest peak an actor can reach since the qualifications are so small and there's a new one only every decade or so. My comparison with GTA still stands as in these movies made insane money even with a car salesman as Bond (Lazenby) they're cinematic legend, not slop because a good number of them are silly.
The GTA comparison is kind of apt, but they're not really Oscar worthy movies, short of maybe some effects or action sequences. It's not Godfather or The French Connection. Just a fun romp for boys to engage in.
The new ones are a product of their time like any of the rest, but they still achieved success in terms of accolades and overall box office.
>but they're not really Oscar worthy movies, short of maybe some effects or action sequences. It's not Godfather or The French Connection. Just a fun romp for boys to engage in. >The new ones are a product of their time like any of the rest, but they still achieved success in terms of accolades and overall box office.
They're more than that since they've been going on for 60 years. These movies feature what every man wants to be, pure fantasy. An ideal that will eternally be wanted and popular. They're what cinema is all about. Not superhero drivel no one but manchildren really like but stuff that is still very much our world but in a heightened, idealized reality we all want to live in. Fantasy, idealism, escapism and sincerity. All that is good about fictional media into one. The formula is so ingeniously simple yet hard to perfect but also eternal in that it fits for every era. Our grandchildren will probably be watching Bond. It will outlive every movie trend provided they get back on the right track in the next one which is unlikely so this whole tangent is maybe moot and Bond died with Craig but still.
True post-2002. i still think MI2 is GoldenEye tier, even has a scene copied from it. Great fricking movie, Tom Cruise played a better Bond there than anyone after Pierce can.
*weet ik
It's just the Dutch subtitle's translation of "I know", memed because it sounds silly and feels like it's undermining the intended dramatic and emotional weight of the scene
When they didn't replace him after Skyfall - the last good Bond film thus far
Brain drilling and Brofeld reveal in Spectre. I couldn't believe what I was watching in the theater. It was so unbelievably stupid, like actually worse than the tidal wave surfing in DAD. At least that was just a brief action sequence that you could easily ignore. Brofeld was a major plot point that retroactively made the previous Craig films worse and to this day I can't believe someone thought that was a good idea.
>worse than the tidal wave surfing in DAD
That was corny but not worse than the corny Moore movies. Blofeld being Bond's brother was Austin Powers tier plotting in a movie that was supposed to be gritty and real. Just crap.
The moment his hideous potato face was cast as Bond.
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It was that bad. I appreciated that they made Craig try Bond puns/quips but he has no charisma so it fell flat plus too little, too late. The ending makes it THAT bad. Utterly pointless and unnecessary since the virus is still out there due to Blofeld's blood.
Post face
tpbp
Spectre is trash and Quantum is incomprehensible, but I thought No Time to Die wasn't THAT bad. Rami Malek did a good job as not-Dr. No, cool hideout, action scenes were cool, surprising amount of chemistry between Craig and Lea (at least I thought their relationship worked). Negress was cringe and useless.
Don't forget the best part: Paloma
>cast a hugely famous actress and closest to sex symbol of the 2020's for a bit part lasting barely 20 minutes
>instead of the leading Bond girl
>we get Lea who's dressed like a nun and always cries or looks like a b***h
>waste her when she could be the leading Bond girl for Bond 26
WHAT THE FRICK WERE THEY THINKING
IIRC Craig had enjoyed working with Ana on Knives Out and he got her that small part in NTTD.
Her character and the whole Cuba sequence is the best part of the film, so it was obviously a good call.
It's a MASSIVE waste of a potentially legendary Bond girl in a bit part in the franchise's worst movie. Him trying to be like Roger Moore in this segment was awful. Craig has NO charisma whatsoever.
NTTD isn't the worst in the series
It is.
>inb4 le DAF, Moonraker or DAD
No, no self-respecting Bond fan would put any of those below NTTD, a malicious subversive piece of trash that has (very possibly) killed the character and franchise forever in the public consciousness.
>killed the character and franchise forever in the public consciousness
No Time to Die has an 88% RT audience score, a 7.3 IMDb rating which is only 0.5 points below Skyfall, and it managed to be the 3rd highest grossing Bond film and the 3rd highest grossing film of all time in the UK despite releasing at a time when theaters hadn't fully recovered from covid yet.
The public clearly regards it far more positively than you.
>the public
>he said
>she said
Anon, a fricking Barbie movie made a billion because the studio funded a marketing campaign through astroturfing on TikTok. People went and blew hard earned money on it so they felt like they were part of an event. People are cattle.
In which case there's no point in saying Bond was "killed in the public consciousness" if the next Bond reboot can be a success as long as it's marketed well
A Bond movie with an Australian car salesman made crazy money for 60's BO. The brand doesn't need marketing, it can still make money but making a great Bond that sticks to the character's values and core like Brosnan can not only make EON substantially more money while regaining the cultural stronghold Bond had in previous generation. I don't see the same reverence millenials had for Pierce in zoomers and Craig. Maybe Gen Alpha and Aaron-Taylor Johnson can be a different story, who knows.. I hope so, a new good Bond movie will save this generation.
look at the dude on the left at the start of the webm lmao
NTTD was good and Casino Royale was good but Quantum of Solace, I agree I had no idea what was happening and I don't even remember the point of Spectre. Skyfall was almost good.
>NTTD was good
They wanted to avoid Austin Powers so much they became Austin Powers
It’s so funny because even while it’s a complete joke in Austin Powers it makes so much sense as an actual twist
If I am not to give the answer of 'when they announced him for the role' or 'Casino Royale', then it is by Spectre where it becomes a complete unsalvageable clusterfrick. Spectre has a bunch of problems in itself (which also compound off issues in QoS and Skyfall, and depending on your view CR) and it sees the tone of Craig-Bond become schizophrenic.
>Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace
Jason Bourne
>Skyfall
The Dark Knight/Nolan.
>Spectre
Mission Impossible with the gay team up power of friendship shit.
>No Time To Die
nostalgia wank made with Marvel capeshit sensibilities
His entire era is just one sad charade of imitations. If the next one isn't even half as good as GoldenEye and doesn't bring back classic trailblazer Bond then it's over. Bond will truly be a relic and gen alpha won't know what the frick James Bond is.
Only some Bondkino can save Gen Alpha, Gen Z is long gone.
When he first stepped on the screen.
OH NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO
The MOMENT Judi Drench was cast as M the series was over forever. Brosnan era is ruined by her presence and kept from being true kino and thus non canon. Dalton was the last Bond, good as Pierce was.
Bet Craig loved doing this
He goes to gay bars with the flimsiest excuse of not wanting to go to fights despite paying a Playboy model to make him seem like he's some alpha male with bullshit in the papers about how he fricked for 7 hours straight yet he's afraid of a bar fight.
>he's afraid of a bar fight.
Bar fights don't happen all the time in most normal pubs, at least the kind of bar Craig would go to, only women would believe this shit. This is just Craig saying straight males are toxic.
This. He just made it clear to the world he's a total flamer and not without the novelty of at least saying it but making the most pathetic excuse on top. He should just transition into a troon.
Impressive how Daniel Craig manages to live in so many anons' heads completely rent-free.
He's not my personal favourite Bond that'd be Dalton and he's definitely got more bad films than good, but for god's sake, you can't actually have a Bond thread on Cinemaphile without a bunch of obsessed gays constantly bringing up Craig just so they can whinge like "UGH I HATE CRAIG WORST BOND WORST FILMS WORST HAIR HE'S NOT EVEN GOOD-LOOKING LIKE DADDY PIERCE OR TIMMY LITERALLY NOTHING GOOD ABOUT HIM EUUUUUUUUUGH." And if it's not seething over Craig, then it's seething over that one fricking line in M's scene in Goldeneye.
Christ, just give it a fricking rest already. Talk about what you actually like about the Bond films, you complete autists.
The franchise is DEAD, the only media released in 4 years is a cash-grab reality show thinly veiled as a 007 property because Barbara knows no one cares what she does beyond Bond. It's dead and he killed it, along with Barbara. Both of them killed it. Naturally, in this barren time, we can't get over how shit things are and will project our frustrations on that ugly as sin homosexual fricking moron. You're right though it takes up way too much attention and I agree if you hate someone not giving them your energy is best so to steer things away, here's my ranking. A ranking thread always mellows things out.,
hello craigschizo and barbaraschizo
>Talk about what you actually like about the Bond films, you complete autists.
You dumb frick, there hasn't been a Bond film without Craig since fricking 2002. We talk about Craig because he's squatted over a franchise he doesn't particularly like for longer than Lazenby, Moore and Dalton combined.
Longer than all five before him. 15 FRICKING YEARS. Then there's NTTD. We have every reason to shit on him every chance we get because this fricking c**t deserves it. Slavic dysgenic gay.
Seconding all of this.
I hate the fricking morons on this board so much it's unreal, anti-Craig gays being just one example
>I hate the fricking morons on this board so much it's unreal, anti-Craig gays being just one example
Every single criticism is legit, you're unconsciously furious because you've soaked into the zeitgest and know this movie and Bond to be accepted by everyone else and you, being quite a weak willed person, are emotionally angry over such nonsense because you can't stand people saying things you've heard to be true are actually false.
cope and seethe you obsessive pathetic homosexual
>cope and seethe you obsessive pathetic homosexual
No argument hence you concede and thus are the pathetic homosexual who can't even argue.
Correction, the criticism might be sincere. Whether it's legit is another matter.
From my point of view it's retroactive and based on latter Bond movies that Craig did, but to suggest the early ones he did are bad is stretching it.
I was there and I saw them. They were fine.
>From my point of view it's retroactive and based on latter Bond movies that Craig did, but to suggest the early ones he did are bad is stretching it.
>I was there and I saw them. They were fine.
CR and QoS were good. Skyfall was shit and subversive but astroturfed due to the Adele song and le cinematography. That's it. Nothing is good about that movie. The tacticool James Bond: Call of Duty/James Bourne aesthetic of his first ones was retroactively pretty kino and sincere. It's when he tried to be like Sean Connery and nostalgia bait that it came apart.
brosnan's grunt followed by "don't make it personal" kills me every time
They spent so much on No Time to Die, it needed to pass 900,000,000 just to break even. These people are such fricking morons. How do decisions like this even happen?
That movie is a disaster on both ends, no Bond film has lost money.
>le COVID
No, the movie was just shit and no one cared for Craig's Bond since Casino Royale and even that is sketchy.
Didn't he said he hated being in the role in like, the second movie?
Quantum of Solace was garbage and then Skyfall pretended to be good. Casino Royale is still a top 5 bond movie though.
Not really. It's not a Bond movie outside of other actors calling Ruski James Bond and him wearing a tuxedo he looked goofy in.
weet ik
The first ten minutes of Quantum of Solace. Imagine following up Casino Royale and the good feeling around the franchise it created (even if it had flaws) with that absolute turd.
No Time to Die original plot
>rami malek creates nano bot bio weapon that is spread through a vaccine originally, then sheds via touch
>the weapon can be used to genocide specific races
>COVID happens
>NTTD gets pushed back and huge script rewrites
>adds in random sections about a previous love interest and a kid
>remove all mentions of the vaccine
>nano bots mentioned but only used to kill spectre, blofeld and cuck bond
>throw in a black woman
>missiles, it's about missiles now
Original movie probably would have been kino
>>rami malek creates nano bot bio weapon that is spread through a vaccine originally, then sheds via touch
>>the weapon can be used to genocide specific races
When he surfaced for air murdering the girl in the cage.
off-topic but i plan to show my friends daltonkino (LTK) tomorrow and im really stoked about it. just wanted to share that.
"It was me James"
>your porn video forwarded two seconds so you'd cum just as the guy's ass was shown? it was me, James. a SPECTRE hacker did it on my orders.
>unsalvageable
his era was pure kino from start to end. QoS too.
>his era was pure kino from start to end. QoS too.
Agreed with the exception of Spectre, which started out decent but really shit the bed in the second half
CR and QoS are servicable enough pieces of their time but Skyfall was when it all went to shit. Deeply evil and subversive slop movie.
>James... I too was an agent.. AND I'M REALLY FRICKING GAY LET ME MAKE THAT COMPLETELY CLEAR I'M A HOMOOOOOOOOO
Was this really necessary?
Yes because those two are cucked beta males who are also homosexuals and wanted to include this in a big budget movie because they're sick.
right after Casino Royale. Which was the only good Bond movie ever.
>right after Casino Royale. Which was the only good Bond movie ever.
I swear, CR must be top NPC core like Marvel movies, LOTR slop and Harry Potter. It's so cynical, post-modern, devoid of sincerity that it appeals to inhumane bugmen like you. All Bond movies before Craig were good and legendary cinema, they were the GTA of the movie industry to put it in terms your fried zoomer brain understands.
NTA but this is wrong. Bond movies and especially a lot of the old ones are textbook slop. Enjoyable slop but slop nonetheless.
And LOTR on the whole is a better cinematic achievement despite being made a bit too late into the game and suffering from some proto-modern blockbuster issues.
LOTR is proto-capeshit and goyslop version of the books. I like them but man you could see the cracks on rewatch. Bond movies aren't slop, they're the biggest cinematic events (before Craig) and playing Bond is the highest peak an actor can reach since the qualifications are so small and there's a new one only every decade or so. My comparison with GTA still stands as in these movies made insane money even with a car salesman as Bond (Lazenby) they're cinematic legend, not slop because a good number of them are silly.
Didn't the post-2006 movies gross the highest amount of money?
No, that's still Thunderball/Goldfinger even with inflation.
The GTA comparison is kind of apt, but they're not really Oscar worthy movies, short of maybe some effects or action sequences. It's not Godfather or The French Connection. Just a fun romp for boys to engage in.
The new ones are a product of their time like any of the rest, but they still achieved success in terms of accolades and overall box office.
>but they're not really Oscar worthy movies, short of maybe some effects or action sequences. It's not Godfather or The French Connection. Just a fun romp for boys to engage in.
>The new ones are a product of their time like any of the rest, but they still achieved success in terms of accolades and overall box office.
They're more than that since they've been going on for 60 years. These movies feature what every man wants to be, pure fantasy. An ideal that will eternally be wanted and popular. They're what cinema is all about. Not superhero drivel no one but manchildren really like but stuff that is still very much our world but in a heightened, idealized reality we all want to live in. Fantasy, idealism, escapism and sincerity. All that is good about fictional media into one. The formula is so ingeniously simple yet hard to perfect but also eternal in that it fits for every era. Our grandchildren will probably be watching Bond. It will outlive every movie trend provided they get back on the right track in the next one which is unlikely so this whole tangent is maybe moot and Bond died with Craig but still.
>All Bond movies before Craig were good and legendary cinema
Yeah how could I forget how cool a jaguar with ice skates was....
Mission Impossible is the better franchise.
True post-2002. i still think MI2 is GoldenEye tier, even has a scene copied from it. Great fricking movie, Tom Cruise played a better Bond there than anyone after Pierce can.
the ball torture scene from casino royale
When he walked out of the ocean like a Bond girl; a queer take on venus de milo.
That was the start this new normal
>weet ik
qrd on the week it meme
((Bond)) dies like a cuck and Dutch sounds stupid.
*weet ik
It's just the Dutch subtitle's translation of "I know", memed because it sounds silly and feels like it's undermining the intended dramatic and emotional weight of the scene
hij sneed me af
from the very beginning, casino royale sucked ASS
you tell em girl
The Spectre screenplay is the strongest argument for letting GPT write scripts instead. It can't do any worse