I think it was when Jeyne Westerling was retconned to Talisa from Volantis in Season 2.
It showed a shocking lack of intelligence because it killed off an important element of characterisation for Robb, made him seem like a senseless moron, removed an element of characterisation for Tywin, and it was all seemingly done as a terrible execution of a Strong Independent Woman which is contrary to one of the themes of the whole story and also undermines almost every other female character's struggles for acceptance.
Also, Robb seemed like a moron that "just did something for no reason and then a huge twist happened" established another precedent for the show.
From that point on show version characters would often "just do something for no reason and then a huge twist happens" because whilst the show characters had personalities and actions increasingly divergent from the books the show still had to keep the same book twists.
I want to say this but then I realize it's only through the benefit of hindsight. The truth is I lost hope for the show and first felt anger for the writers in season 6 when girlboss Ellaria Sand, some random prostitute Oberyn happened to be fricking, convinced the Dornish nobility and the Martell household guard to approve of a coup and the murder of their lord and his heir. That was when I first felt D&D disrespecting the source material and having contempt for it rather than just being incompetent.
The fact they got Alexander Siddig for that still hurts me >Let’s avenge Oberyn’s death (even though he died by all accounts in fair single combat he volunteered for) by murdering his brother and nephew!
Black person I read the first three books before youtube even existed.
no, its far more likely you read that image that would get posted every thread of the difference between book and show Robb.
and its so moronic to still talk about that when you have all the other dumb shit they were changing just a couple years later.
Bobby probably appreciated a Ned showing off his downie geezah
Big Bazza would much rather share a brew with a man of comparable size to himself than some wimpy boy.
Ned wanted to put the biggest lad he had up at the front to properly represent the norf.
>a freak to amuse the king who gets bored easily >2 serving girls he will get to nut inside later >war veterans and councillors within sight but subservient to their lord as per the feudal system
it's fair in my headcanon
literal headcanon >>>> r/gameofthronestheories
or please talk about the ACTUAL show
Big Bazza would much rather share a brew with a man of comparable size to himself than some wimpy boy.
Ned wanted to put the biggest lad he had up at the front to properly represent the norf.
>important
How is he important? Bran's entire subplot effectively diminished any sense of importance the entire story might have had.
He's literally Charles Xavier on crack, but too moronic to use it properly.
>a freak to amuse the king who gets bored easily >2 serving girls he will get to nut inside later >war veterans and councillors within sight but subservient to their lord as per the feudal system
it's fair in my headcanon
It's funny that after watching the show I misremembered that line as sounding so much better. Then I read the book and it was just as cool as I thought the show was.
Still not terrible tho. Same as changing the "wherever prostitutes go" line. It was more season 5 when things went to shit
nta but not much. Oberyn didn't do flips and flops. And Clegane simply grabbed his head and punched him, and crushed his head into bits.
Oberyn fights like a normal person with spear and shield instead of kung fu shit.
They both have shields and helmets, like the other Anons said there's no spinny shit, and there's also a thing about Ser Gregor trying to have the sun at his back, and Oberyn flashing it into his eyes with his polished bronze shield.
I saw that comic one of you posted and I guess it kinda illustrates how GoT fell from grace. There was literally no reason not to film the scene as written (assuming the comic was accurate) and would've required no effort on their part. The fact they changed it at all is kinda sad.
How are the graphic novels at adapting the books? I'm curious because the only thing I ever heard about them was controversy when Amazon put up pages with rape scenes as preview images lol
they made it flashy for tv reasons. the main thing im pissed off at is them changing the mountains lines. i guess the guy playing the mountain couldn't say it properly so they just changed it.
maybe I'm misremembering but besides the "shut up" and including the word "Frick" at the end, what else was changed? The mountain never had many lines to begin with.
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he just says it so fricking stupidly, and removing the "fricking" makes it sound weird
They both have shields and helmets, like the other Anons said there's no spinny shit, and there's also a thing about Ser Gregor trying to have the sun at his back, and Oberyn flashing it into his eyes with his polished bronze shield.
Pretty much the same without all the flips for the first part (which is don't mind tbh. I wouldn't go with that but since tv is a visual medium I understand the desire to make things flashier). He keeps his distance because he knows Clegane will wreck him if he gets close.
When Oberyn downs the mountain, his spear breaks, so he has to use the Mountain's greatsword for the finishing blow. Since he's clumsier with the heavy sword, the Mountain manages to grab him and beats him to death.
Stannis is principled, harsh but fair, and based... or in other words, exactly the kind of guy some lefty-homosexual hollywood hacks like Weiss and Benioff would hate. They didn't just kill him off, no, they made him literally the opposite of everything he is in the books. >"It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother. The Lannister woman gave him horns and made a motley fool of him. She may have murdered him as well, as she murdered Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. For such crimes there must be justice. Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident."
tbh SENPAI someone else finishing ASOIAF would be a better result than GRRM's fat fingers producing more nonsensical schlop, especially now that he is buttmad the showrunners made everyone hate is intended ending, and he now will try to pull a new one out of his (extremely fat) ass.
They did run out of books which I think would have probably happened even if the final few seasons weren't as rushed as they were. Book 6 is still not out. I think both HBO and GRRM wanted more seasons but the Davids clearly wanted to be done with it. In hindsight HBO should have just replaced them but I can understand why they didn't.
no they didn't run out of books. There are loads of plotlines from it that didn't get adapted properly or left out entirely. George also gave them his notes which had enough materials by his own admittance to make it all the way to season 12.
I don't 100% believe the notes PR shit but at the same time yeah it wasn't running out of books that killed the show. There was OC content in season 1 which I thought was great, scenes between Cersei and Robert which added depth the books didn't have to their relationship and even to Robert's understanding of how dangerous the dothraki were.
HBO had a golden goose they were happy to keep around for another decade it was when DnD decided they wanted to wrap things up to go do Star Wars movies that killed it
You were right the first time, ejected so much storyline from Clash of Kings (book 2), that they had already painted themselves into a corner. Some really decent stuff was ejected too, and a lot of it. The second book should have been 2 season’s easily.
I don't think ASOIAF is late medieval, there's no gunpowder, feudal armies are still the dominant form of military, the political system is relatively primitive and legally loosely defined, nationalism doesn't seem to be emerging yet etc.
>especially in the south and in Essos.
I thought they were supposed to by Byzantium/Turkey. Kind of an eastern deal living off past glories. In a decline rather than progressing.
It's supposed to be the wars of the roses. Yorks and Lancasters, Starks and Lannisters. 1400s. Daenarys is Henry Tudor, fAegon is Lambert Simnell, all the supernatural bullshit is largely irrelevant to the ending.
I still don't get why the Lannisters had samurai armor.
this is actually where I had my first questions about the show. I think this was back in 2010 or maybe 2011 right before the show came out they had one of the costume designers talking about the Lannister design in particular and how they were going out of their way to not have things more traditionally European looking in clothing and armor design and include more eastern influence
was a red flag at the time
then when the show actually began I absolutely hated how the Dothraki were depicted as this vague brown mass of clearly unrelated peoples like that rave scene in the matrix rather than being a relatively homogenous population
When they started doing the same grey and brown leather armour of every "serious" medieval show instead of the colourful and elaborate clothing from the books.
Wasn't season 4 the one with Tyrion killing Shae in self defense and losing all his edge because they didn't want Tyrion to stop being a relatable good boy?
Kinda. They changed it a bit but then they'd already changed Shae's character from being a ditsy prostitute to her actually hating Theon for dumping her
I think it was when Jeyne Westerling was retconned to Talisa from Volantis in Season 2.
It showed a shocking lack of intelligence because it killed off an important element of characterisation for Robb, made him seem like a senseless moron, removed an element of characterisation for Tywin, and it was all seemingly done as a terrible execution of a Strong Independent Woman which is contrary to one of the themes of the whole story and also undermines almost every other female character's struggles for acceptance.
Also, Robb seemed like a moron that "just did something for no reason and then a huge twist happened" established another precedent for the show.
From that point on show version characters would often "just do something for no reason and then a huge twist happens" because whilst the show characters had personalities and actions increasingly divergent from the books the show still had to keep the same book twists.
The fact that Jon isn't a warg in the show and his soul didn't transfer to Ghost was such a moronic move on their part. Same with Arya not being a warg and seeing through the eyes of cats in Braavos while she was blind
Harrenhall is semi-dragon fire resistant and in striking distance of the Fork/Kingsroad, and a trivial distance from the Eyrie and close to the Isle of Faces which ought've played into prophecy/walkers shit The Littlefinger politicking was radically undercooked and should have allowed fleeing Cersei pass to Casterly Rock as a last redoubt while Danaerys is taking the flak for dragon holocaust after setting off the wildfire caches as a trap
I have a friend who hasn't read the books who dislikes the original Daario because he has such a punchable face. That's clearly the exact right casting for the character though, since Daario is a smug prick.
realistically they'll just break into the wall and get Jon out to rule. Northerners hate female rulers just like the south. There was a pair of Stark girls (one of them also named Sansa Stark) who got disinherited and had their lordship basically stolen by their uncle.
I started watching the show very late and the first episode I saw was one with the Sand Snakes. I thought, "THIS is the show that everyone has been raving about?"
Before the show even started. I'm old enough to know what George RR Martin's writing skills and publishing speeds have always been like. He writes short story compilations, stitches them together to call it a novel, and always ends up hating his characters enough to kill or disgrace them so he can write about someone new.
See his original wildcard books. That was supposed to be a tv series too, but it got canceled when the last GoT season showed how autistic GRRM can't work or write on any kind of schedule.
>ramsay isnt even a fighter >but he just jumps in the middle of armoured experienced fighters while basically naked and can somehow dual wield and is fine
the frick were they even thinking here
There wasn't a specific moment, just the general accumulated impression I got from season 5 when I realized how much they began catering to normies and zoomers with dumbed-down spectacle-based writing, MCU-like simplistic, quippy dialogue, turning characters into memey caricatures of themselves, this stupid zoomer self-referential self-conscious sarcastic humor, etc. It also came out in 2015 which was the first culturally zoomer year, probably not a coincidence.
The real answer is after the red wedding. I cant answer to the quality of GRRM the fat bastard but it became incredibly clear that the showrunners even then had NO idea how to fill the gaps of characters that died other than giving the survivors dumber and more EPIC things to do. Which followed through the entire series
I noticed a quality drop in s4, and it carried on going down from there.
Like when you remove all the competent people from their roles but everything still kinda works for a while, but two decades later the electricity doesn't stay on and bridges crumble.
Season 5 in general, Shireen burning specifically.
If you ask for first sound of inner alarm, I heard it at the season 4 final when they completely fricked up Tyrion's motivation for his actions.
They completely removed his book dialogue with Jaime and confession about events leading to Tyrion's marriage...original cause for his actions.
Show Tyrion went to dad's chambers without any reason for doing so...and killed his dad defending Shae, traitorous prostitute he strangled couple minutes earlier.
Wtf?
Jaime also did't get some facts about Cersei, but that's minor damage.
they removed the tysha thing because the idiots who watch the show wouldnt even remember who she was. most people who watched the show thought danys name was khaleesi
Whatever their reasons were...doesn't change the results: they fricked up.
Another example of the problem that intelligent anon described
I think it was when Jeyne Westerling was retconned to Talisa from Volantis in Season 2.
It showed a shocking lack of intelligence because it killed off an important element of characterisation for Robb, made him seem like a senseless moron, removed an element of characterisation for Tywin, and it was all seemingly done as a terrible execution of a Strong Independent Woman which is contrary to one of the themes of the whole story and also undermines almost every other female character's struggles for acceptance.
Also, Robb seemed like a moron that "just did something for no reason and then a huge twist happened" established another precedent for the show.
From that point on show version characters would often "just do something for no reason and then a huge twist happens" because whilst the show characters had personalities and actions increasingly divergent from the books the show still had to keep the same book twists.
>From that point on show version characters would often "just do something for no reason and then a huge twist happens" because whilst the show characters had personalities and actions increasingly divergent from the books the show still had to keep the same book twists.
they changed the names of some charecters because they belived their audience was stupid.
And when you start pandering to stupid people, then thats where it can only go down hill.
beginning of season 5, when Arya had a scooby doo chase scene running from the girl from the house of black and white
after getting stabbed she proceeds to jump into a canal with sewer water. any kind of realism dictates she'd die of an infection in a day or two
i knew it would drop in quality as soon as it left the source material but the falloff was crazy. i just cant believe how many people to this day say that they didn't see a problem until season 6-7
I was in denial about it for a while before this, and knew it wasn't ever as good as season 1 again. But this scene specifically was where I remember realizing this show was not going anywhere, that it was just going for shock value and smut and kept building up characters and plotlines just to kill them off for a shocking or surprising moment. By the start of season 5 they'd done this so many times that there really weren't any interesting characters or plotlines left.
I stopped watching after Tywin died. Never really liked any of the non Lannister scenes. Also season 4 ends on a great note and feels like a good open ended conclusion. Later seasons proved me right.
The bridge "fight" scene between Brienne and Jamie in season two. The choreography and cuts were so bad it was obvious no actual effort went into the scene. I think 90% of it was just individual shots of their faces as they swung a sword spiced together.
the moment some plebs talked about it at the coffee machine....
I don't bother to watch some 90h shit that EVERY BODY tells you it's good. It just ring a bell in me.
I never watched a single episode of that crap.
[coconut noise while riding horses]
Don’t forget the Tyrion walking around looking off into the middle distance scenes, plenty of those in the last episodes. But remember, D&D HAD to end the show then, they have Disneybucks to collect coming up!
Well making Robb's "wife" a lowborn girl was the first troubling sign, but the show didn't really go to shit until Season 5 when they repeated Sansa's plot with Joffrey this time with Ramsay. They ruined her character. What would have worked much better is if Sansa was manipulating Ramsay. Taking part in his cruelties to win his affection. She should have succeeded in getting him to discard and execute Miranda and build up his fear, paranoia, and resentment of his father. Once he fully trusts her as a wife that's when she escapes with Theon.
Oh also, so since Sansa had to indulge in Ramsay's cruelty to outmaneuver and vanquish him, she is forever tainted by his legacy. Torture and abuse and cruelty persist on in their effect through the generations. So we find out she is pregnant with his child and after she and Jon defeat Ramsay and take Winterfell she would cede Winterfell to Jon, proclaiming that she is a Bolton now, not a Stark, and thus the Dreadfort is her rightful seat.
That's a very intriguing idea but unfortunately having an ambiguous ending for a female main character was never in the cards.
Book arya is still there and AT FRICKING LEAST book arya killed 2 people (the loan shark and the night's watch defector) instead of playing with sticks and mopping floors
How old are they all supposed to be as of the Pink Letter, anyway? I think 2 years are meant to have passed but I'm not sure if that's true. If so I think it'd be >Rickon - 6 >Bran - 9 >Arya - 11 >Sansa - 14 >Jon Snow - 15
Those all seem too young still, but I think I remember there was an interview where Martin said he wished he'd made them all 2 or 3 years older in the beginning of the books.
>Those all seem too young still, but I think I remember there was an interview where Martin said he wished he'd made them all 2 or 3 years older in the beginning of the books.
He planned for there to be a five year gap between books 3 & 4 but he hated writing Feast like that and scrapped the whole idea. This is just thinking in hindsight on his part
I think Bran and Jon's storylines don't really work with a time jump since Bran's wandering through the wilderness and Jon was on a ranging, stuck with the wildlings, and then defeated them with them just hanging around outside the wall so there's no timeframe to just slow down the story and pick it up again two years later for them. Everyone else can basically stop where they are and be aged a couple of years
that scene where Sansa was watching her sister spar with the big woman in the courtyard. I suddenly realized that they are going to make this all about super woman Arya and how badass she is. The entire scene was three women
The Arya/Sansa drama with little finger was so fricking bizarre and idk why people don’t talk about it enough. At one point Arya threatens to kill Sansa and wear her face (in a private room with no one there)… except we later learn they were both in on it together against little finger… who they also execute anyways but that’s a different story
D&D didn’t know what to do with Littlefinger at that point, so they decided to kill him off by making him just kind of forget that he’s a Machiavellian genius.
D&D didn’t know what to do with Littlefinger at that point, so they decided to kill him off by making him just kind of forget that he’s a Machiavellian genius.
>Shansha you musht go to the Boltonsh for shome reashon
She is his waifu because Cat was his teenage crush but now she's dead. Also in the books he is currently in control of the Vale since he married Lysa, and he is in control of the Riverlands with Harrenhal though he doesn't seem to care about this much. Once Sweetrobin grows up or dies and power is transferred to Harry the Heir, Littlefinger will lose power over the Vale so his clock is ticking there. Sansa has Winterfell as her birthright so basically whomever marries her will be given Winterfell and the title of Warden of the North (if not for all the bullshit with the Boltons/Lannisters that will be undone. So basically Littlefinger is positioning himself to have power over the Riverlands but also have a ton of influence in the North and the Vale through Sansa. Also he has already moved around a few Lords in the Vale around on the map to buy their loyalties forever so even once he loses power as Lord Protector of the Vale or whatever he will still have tons of lackeys in key positions of power there. He has positioned himself to be either directly in control of or have a shitload of influence over 3/7 of the kingdoms on the map
Oh and also he has already gotten a ton of support from the Lannisters and he was who brokered the deal between the Tyrells and Lannisters to group up and defeat Stannis, so he also has some influence there. Also he and Olenna Tyrell carried out the plot together to poison Joffrey, so he and Olenna go deep. The only two kingdoms out of the seven that he doesn't seem to have a real relationship with would be Dorne and the Stormlands. Again he hasn't done much in the Riverlands yet but on paper they are basically his. Littlefinger is one of the biggest players in the game by far and one of the most powerful people in Westeros despite not many people being aware.
Yeah I liked the first two novellas but the third was a bit too fantastical for my liking. First two seemed much more grounded and realistic in-universe
Yea I suppose the 3rd has a bit of an asspull with bloodraven. I kinda chalked that up to the gods taking a keen interest in dunk and egg, sorta like pullo and vorenus from Rome. It's just nice to learn more about that time period. F&B is interesting but all the events and names blend together for me and Dunk and Egg help separate it.
Yeah I like how Dunk & Egg takes place between major events read about in TWoIaF. My favorite parts of all the books are probably the second half of Dance and the first half on F&B.
there is no asspull though? Bloodraven had been at the tourney from the start disguised as Maynard Plumm. It's not even a fan theory; George spelt it out with one scene where Plumm briefly looked like Bloodraven in the rain.
really homie? Dunk was literally protected by a prophecy in the first book. Daeron knew Dunk was going to kill some Targaryen through his dragon dream so he just threw the fight and withdrew his accusation, leaving him only Aerion to deal with. The second book is the only one that's grounded.
I enjoyed them all. they were actually my first exposure to the series. my family listened to the audio books together during a vacation when i was 11 a couple months before the show first premiered
Book arya is still there and AT FRICKING LEAST book arya killed 2 people (the loan shark and the night's watch defector) instead of playing with sticks and mopping floors
And Raff the Sweetling, in the Winds sample chapter. She poses as a prostitute and then kills him when they're alone, the Meryn Trant scene in the show mirrors this
They skipped the Hyperbolic Time Chamber scenes where she learns from Son Goku
Originally she was going to use Instant Transmission to kill the WW king but George was annoyed by this so they had to wing it and just had her jump at him like a moron.
not him but I think it's on the surface representative of both enjoying life, i.e. what makes Renly popular among his bannermen, and the power of the Reach supporting him
but I've always felt there was a sexual undertone to it and what Renly is offering is Margaery. He's saying Renly can frick Margaery and sire the heir to the throne but Renly gets to be king
which wouldn't at all make sense with Stannis's personality but it makes sense in that Renly was going to try to marry Margaery to Robert anyway
>At what point did you realize Game Of Thrones was going to shit?
The first episode. They show cool zombie shit going on then immediately cut to some random family and their drama. I knew right away the interesting supernatural shit was going to be sidelined as a subplot for a fricking soap opera.
The directors wanted the show to be known as the fantasy with breasts and swear words and shock the audience with the Red Wedding, after that it's all just loose ends to wrap up. The last thing they were probably felt motivated to do was humiliate the chud Stannis.
>Ros >Targaryens not having purple eyes >Tyrion not having different colored eyes >House of the Undying >Quarth >Talisa >Not mutilating Tyrion's nose >No prophecies >No Lady Stone Heart >Dorne >The House of Black and White >No Bloodraven (Just some old guy) >Children of the forest >Completely butchering Euron >No Young Griff >The Sandvipers >No Victarion Greyjoy
Also how averse D&D were to any magic aspect of the books
These were probably the most telling examples early on. Some of these make sense because of the difficulty during production (different colored eyes, Tyrion's scar, etc) but there is no excuse for these at all.
I think I agree but George said that was the number one thing he would like to change about the show, so he was probably planning on her doing some major shit (probably killing all the Freys like Arya did in the show)
the whole character is just GRRM being an aspie. swords were usually secondary weapons if carried at all for actual combat, and a spear pretty much beats sword in every possible way when it comes to fighting dudes in armor, so its just him saying >achshually spear wielders would be better warriors but muh giant's blood
I dropped it after season 3, not for any particular reason but I was going to wait for season 4 to be out in its entirety before downloading but it looked shit so I never bothered
>play CK2 got mod as Tarth >do nothing for a hundred years besides upgrading my holdings and making high tier marriages >eventually mega war breaks out, don’t side with anyone but declare independence >all the big players are too busy to bother with me >wait until war is nearing the end and take over a few local regions that had also stayed neutral >when the war is over my family is liked enough by the ruling family that they leave me be with my small region
For me it was season 7. I definitely felt the dip in quality in seasons 5 and 6 but I dismissed it as just a brief slump and didn't think too much into it. With hindsight, most people argue season 5 is where it starts slipping, with the occassional good episode like battle of the bastards.
I was similar to this but Battle of the Bastards was when I realized that the show was going to shit. I always thought that the battle made absolutely no sense tactically and the good reception it got from everybody was shocking to me
When it’s popularity exponentially increased and they ran out of book material. Once normies and reactors got a hold of it, it was over. The target audience went from fantasy nerds to pop culture worshiping Californian gays.
I don't recall when I felt it was going down hill, but the point I realized it was actively bad was this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfPn_MFWRa0&ab_channel=HannaA.G
The show dropped massively in quality right at the start of season 2 and anyone with half a brain knee that there was no way they were going to have a satisfying and well thought out conclusion because it was clearly going to rely on shock value over solid storytelling.
Seasons 2-4 were still passable though, though each season was a solid step down. 5 was the season that even the most brain dead normie could realize the show had become total dog shit.
really homie? Dunk was literally protected by a prophecy in the first book. Daeron knew Dunk was going to kill some Targaryen through his dragon dream so he just threw the fight and withdrew his accusation, leaving him only Aerion to deal with. The second book is the only one that's grounded.
I can accept one story where fantastical stuff happens, because if it happened to someone else then we would be following those people instead. But once you've already done some 1/1mil chance story then you can't do another. Also Targs are magic in universe so it isn't unbelievable. Dunk&Egg randomly walking into and stopping an entire revolution singlehandedly without realizing it is moronic
they didn't really stop a revolution single-handedly though? They made it a lot less bloody, but Bloodraven was on the case since before they even knew there was a tourney. The whole plan was doomed to fail from the start because Daemon couldn't actually read a prophecy for shit. The one fricking trump card the rebels relied on to actually incite widespread rebellion, the dragon egg, already got stolen by Brynden's dwarf agents before they even knew what was going on. There is also the fact that the Freys were going to backstab the whole rebellion from the beginning too, because Frey mysteriously got off lightly even though Butterwell got his castle seized.
when the battle of the blackwater was a couple pairs of rinky dink rowboats paddling towards some cgi horseshit
I realized it will never match what I pictured in my head and stopped there
>shit books >shit show >decent season 1 due to great performances saving the shit material
grrm and the two israelites are honestly a good match for each other
I still liked it during oppic but I recall losing interest not long after. Maybe when they killed barristan selmy? It's been a while and I've never went back or picked up the books
when they changed Jeyne Westerling to some random prostitute for no reason
This. There is an entire story arc behind Jeyne Westerling and Robb Stark that the show writers completely missed
season 2
not here for sure
>t. autist
I want to say this but then I realize it's only through the benefit of hindsight. The truth is I lost hope for the show and first felt anger for the writers in season 6 when girlboss Ellaria Sand, some random prostitute Oberyn happened to be fricking, convinced the Dornish nobility and the Martell household guard to approve of a coup and the murder of their lord and his heir. That was when I first felt D&D disrespecting the source material and having contempt for it rather than just being incompetent.
What? Were you too dense to understand the importance of the dialogue around the power of "bad pussy"?
The fact they got Alexander Siddig for that still hurts me
>Let’s avenge Oberyn’s death (even though he died by all accounts in fair single combat he volunteered for) by murdering his brother and nephew!
he said when YOU realized, now what a youtuber said in a video made a couple years ago.
Black person I read the first three books before youtube even existed.
Sorry homosexual, I actually read the books
no, its far more likely you read that image that would get posted every thread of the difference between book and show Robb.
and its so moronic to still talk about that when you have all the other dumb shit they were changing just a couple years later.
respectfully kys
The first episode when they had Hodor in the front row meeting the King because the writers knew he'd be important later.
to be honest if you have a giant in your retinue wouldn't you want to show him off to your king?
Sure but not in the official family greeting.
Not if he’s a completely pacifistic drooling moron
literal headcanon
>>>> r/gameofthronestheories
or please talk about the ACTUAL show
Bobby B respects mass.
Serving girls and simpleton in front of the Maester and Master at arms, who probably fought for Robert during the rebellion and was advisor to Eddard.
Bobby probably appreciated a Ned showing off his downie geezah
Big Bazza would much rather share a brew with a man of comparable size to himself than some wimpy boy.
Ned wanted to put the biggest lad he had up at the front to properly represent the norf.
>important
How is he important? Bran's entire subplot effectively diminished any sense of importance the entire story might have had.
He's literally Charles Xavier on crack, but too moronic to use it properly.
>a freak to amuse the king who gets bored easily
>2 serving girls he will get to nut inside later
>war veterans and councillors within sight but subservient to their lord as per the feudal system
it's fair in my headcanon
He calls Ned 'fat' right in that scene
season 5 episode 1. the oberyn/mountain duel was kind of shit compared to the books but it wasn't show ruining like s5e1 is
how did it differ in the books?
https://mccomseycomix.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/the-red-viper-vs-the-mountain-that-rides-a-12-page-comic/
they completely ruined the mountains last line, the guy playing the mountain sounds like a moron
It's funny that after watching the show I misremembered that line as sounding so much better. Then I read the book and it was just as cool as I thought the show was.
Still not terrible tho. Same as changing the "wherever prostitutes go" line. It was more season 5 when things went to shit
I saw that comic one of you posted and I guess it kinda illustrates how GoT fell from grace. There was literally no reason not to film the scene as written (assuming the comic was accurate) and would've required no effort on their part. The fact they changed it at all is kinda sad.
How are the graphic novels at adapting the books? I'm curious because the only thing I ever heard about them was controversy when Amazon put up pages with rape scenes as preview images lol
I read the GOT one, it was pretty decent from what I remember.
they made it flashy for tv reasons. the main thing im pissed off at is them changing the mountains lines. i guess the guy playing the mountain couldn't say it properly so they just changed it.
maybe I'm misremembering but besides the "shut up" and including the word "Frick" at the end, what else was changed? The mountain never had many lines to begin with.
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he just says it so fricking stupidly, and removing the "fricking" makes it sound weird
Lol they really captured the Mexican ness of dorne
nta but not much. Oberyn didn't do flips and flops. And Clegane simply grabbed his head and punched him, and crushed his head into bits.
He did some flops I think.
Oberyn fights like a normal person with spear and shield instead of kung fu shit.
They both have shields and helmets, like the other Anons said there's no spinny shit, and there's also a thing about Ser Gregor trying to have the sun at his back, and Oberyn flashing it into his eyes with his polished bronze shield.
Pretty much the same without all the flips for the first part (which is don't mind tbh. I wouldn't go with that but since tv is a visual medium I understand the desire to make things flashier). He keeps his distance because he knows Clegane will wreck him if he gets close.
When Oberyn downs the mountain, his spear breaks, so he has to use the Mountain's greatsword for the finishing blow. Since he's clumsier with the heavy sword, the Mountain manages to grab him and beats him to death.
the minute the books ended
AT THE DEATH OF MY homie
THE RIGHTFULL KING OF WESTEROS
ALL MUST BEND THE KNEE FOR HIS GRACE
Long live the Mannis
my king 🙂
Based
Literally me
Stannis is principled, harsh but fair, and based... or in other words, exactly the kind of guy some lefty-homosexual hollywood hacks like Weiss and Benioff would hate. They didn't just kill him off, no, they made him literally the opposite of everything he is in the books.
>"It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother. The Lannister woman gave him horns and made a motley fool of him. She may have murdered him as well, as she murdered Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. For such crimes there must be justice. Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident."
>I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident.
This is why I BEND THE KNEE
I hate GRRM so much it's unreal. It's absurd that we'll actually be more likely to get the last two books once he's dead.
>I hate GRRM so much it's unreal
This ballad goes HARD.
Love from Volantis.
tbh SENPAI someone else finishing ASOIAF would be a better result than GRRM's fat fingers producing more nonsensical schlop, especially now that he is buttmad the showrunners made everyone hate is intended ending, and he now will try to pull a new one out of his (extremely fat) ass.
when the writers ran out of material from the books.
the funny thing is they didn't. They skipped most of the last few books. George went on record to say that there was enough material for 12 seasons.
They did run out of books which I think would have probably happened even if the final few seasons weren't as rushed as they were. Book 6 is still not out. I think both HBO and GRRM wanted more seasons but the Davids clearly wanted to be done with it. In hindsight HBO should have just replaced them but I can understand why they didn't.
no they didn't run out of books. There are loads of plotlines from it that didn't get adapted properly or left out entirely. George also gave them his notes which had enough materials by his own admittance to make it all the way to season 12.
There was lots of material left in the books, but nothing that would get them closer to finishing the story.
I don't 100% believe the notes PR shit but at the same time yeah it wasn't running out of books that killed the show. There was OC content in season 1 which I thought was great, scenes between Cersei and Robert which added depth the books didn't have to their relationship and even to Robert's understanding of how dangerous the dothraki were.
HBO had a golden goose they were happy to keep around for another decade it was when DnD decided they wanted to wrap things up to go do Star Wars movies that killed it
George "the more she drank, the more she shat" Martin is a notorious lying fatass
They couldn't read the obvious foreshadowing that has been in the books since day one
They didn't though. So much of the books was completely unadapted past season 4 book 3
it died after the red wedding.
The first scenes in Narnia with Daenerys.
Realism was not there like it was in Westeros.
>The first scenes in Narnia with Daenerys.
pew pew
It's crazy that she's actually a more mature character than most females in Game of Thrones.
>sucks and fricks her way out of heaven
Don't kink shame anon
yeah I always disliked any scenes away from Westeros
That’s because whenever you were outside of Westeros the showrunners felt they had free license to make half the characters black.
Some point during season 2.
*season 5
You were right the first time, ejected so much storyline from Clash of Kings (book 2), that they had already painted themselves into a corner. Some really decent stuff was ejected too, and a lot of it. The second book should have been 2 season’s easily.
>they had already painted themselves into a corner
>implying Gurn hasn't done that too
I still don't get why the Lannisters had samurai armor.
>feudal army wears matching, mass produced armor
Yes
Especially late Medieval like AsoIaF is kinda supposed to be.
The whole point of livery is to match
I don't think ASOIAF is late medieval, there's no gunpowder, feudal armies are still the dominant form of military, the political system is relatively primitive and legally loosely defined, nationalism doesn't seem to be emerging yet etc.
Gurrm doesn't know much about history so it's not really clear, but it does give off 14th the 15th century vibe, especially in the south and in Essos.
15th to 16th century.
Sorry.
>especially in the south and in Essos.
I thought they were supposed to by Byzantium/Turkey. Kind of an eastern deal living off past glories. In a decline rather than progressing.
I always took it to be early medieval.
The Scots had Knights and common men walking in mass with polearms in the High and Late Middle Ages. I don't see what's so strange about this
It's supposed to be the wars of the roses. Yorks and Lancasters, Starks and Lannisters. 1400s. Daenarys is Henry Tudor, fAegon is Lambert Simnell, all the supernatural bullshit is largely irrelevant to the ending.
this is actually where I had my first questions about the show. I think this was back in 2010 or maybe 2011 right before the show came out they had one of the costume designers talking about the Lannister design in particular and how they were going out of their way to not have things more traditionally European looking in clothing and armor design and include more eastern influence
was a red flag at the time
then when the show actually began I absolutely hated how the Dothraki were depicted as this vague brown mass of clearly unrelated peoples like that rave scene in the matrix rather than being a relatively homogenous population
By the end of season 2 for sure.
When they started doing the same grey and brown leather armour of every "serious" medieval show instead of the colourful and elaborate clothing from the books.
s02e01
Season 1-3 were peak with season 4 being the last good season. The following seasons were pure slop and the last season was a huge disappointment.
Wasn't season 4 the one with Tyrion killing Shae in self defense and losing all his edge because they didn't want Tyrion to stop being a relatable good boy?
Kinda. They changed it a bit but then they'd already changed Shae's character from being a ditsy prostitute to her actually hating Theon for dumping her
>GET ME TWENTY GUDMEN
Who was Twenty Gudmen? Why did they never explain this?
He was a friend of Ike Hill.
when i read a feast for crows
I think it was when Jeyne Westerling was retconned to Talisa from Volantis in Season 2.
It showed a shocking lack of intelligence because it killed off an important element of characterisation for Robb, made him seem like a senseless moron, removed an element of characterisation for Tywin, and it was all seemingly done as a terrible execution of a Strong Independent Woman which is contrary to one of the themes of the whole story and also undermines almost every other female character's struggles for acceptance.
Also, Robb seemed like a moron that "just did something for no reason and then a huge twist happened" established another precedent for the show.
From that point on show version characters would often "just do something for no reason and then a huge twist happens" because whilst the show characters had personalities and actions increasingly divergent from the books the show still had to keep the same book twists.
As soon a Jon came back to life
The fact that Jon isn't a warg in the show and his soul didn't transfer to Ghost was such a moronic move on their part. Same with Arya not being a warg and seeing through the eyes of cats in Braavos while she was blind
QRD? I'm not a bookgay.
in the books all the stark kids are low key wargs
>its an arya/daenerys chapter
>its a brienne/sansa chapter
Pure kino.
DAHK fohces
Harrenhall is semi-dragon fire resistant and in striking distance of the Fork/Kingsroad, and a trivial distance from the Eyrie and close to the Isle of Faces which ought've played into prophecy/walkers shit The Littlefinger politicking was radically undercooked and should have allowed fleeing Cersei pass to Casterly Rock as a last redoubt while Danaerys is taking the flak for dragon holocaust after setting off the wildfire caches as a trap
When I first became aware of it.
First episode of season 4 when they replaced daario by the punk on the right.
I have a friend who hasn't read the books who dislikes the original Daario because he has such a punchable face. That's clearly the exact right casting for the character though, since Daario is a smug prick.
The first Daario was a great cast. Always though the makeup and colored hair was gay. The recast didn't fit at all though.
Facts. Original Daario was a better actor and relentlessly handsome too
Where the frick is the Maario naharis poster
he paased away
season two utterly rushing through aryas hazardous adventures through the riverlands
>sansa dies without an heir
>north erupts in civil war
So this is the power of strong female characters
realistically they'll just break into the wall and get Jon out to rule. Northerners hate female rulers just like the south. There was a pair of Stark girls (one of them also named Sansa Stark) who got disinherited and had their lordship basically stolen by their uncle.
Ramsay Bolton
>Ramsay is a hulking brute
>cast a pretty boy manlet
I started watching the show very late and the first episode I saw was one with the Sand Snakes. I thought, "THIS is the show that everyone has been raving about?"
Before the show even started. I'm old enough to know what George RR Martin's writing skills and publishing speeds have always been like. He writes short story compilations, stitches them together to call it a novel, and always ends up hating his characters enough to kill or disgrace them so he can write about someone new.
See his original wildcard books. That was supposed to be a tv series too, but it got canceled when the last GoT season showed how autistic GRRM can't work or write on any kind of schedule.
>how autistic GRRM can't work or write on any kind of schedule
Wouldn't an autist be the opposite?
when autists are hyperfocused on what they are meant to be it can work but anything distracting them or pressure fricks them up.
I think he is trying to turn himself into some kind of literary Andy Warhol and just oversee young unexposed talent.
End of season 4. First half of 5 everyone should have checked out.
>story literally ends in a "everyone lived happily after :)"
what in the fricking world
Season 4 when they began to amp up the girl power shit.
This was the shark jump moment
>ramsay isnt even a fighter
>but he just jumps in the middle of armoured experienced fighters while basically naked and can somehow dual wield and is fine
the frick were they even thinking here
Unironically this is when I first realized the show was going to the shitter.
There wasn't a specific moment, just the general accumulated impression I got from season 5 when I realized how much they began catering to normies and zoomers with dumbed-down spectacle-based writing, MCU-like simplistic, quippy dialogue, turning characters into memey caricatures of themselves, this stupid zoomer self-referential self-conscious sarcastic humor, etc. It also came out in 2015 which was the first culturally zoomer year, probably not a coincidence.
>you now remember Ed Sheeran
Celebrity cameos are the death knell of any show.
about half-way through season 3 iirc, when it just deviated too much from the books
First watch: Season 6
Second watch: After Season 1
Season 1 is out of this world and legitimately feels like a different world that the rest of the show doesn’t even come close to capturing.
The real answer is after the red wedding. I cant answer to the quality of GRRM the fat bastard but it became incredibly clear that the showrunners even then had NO idea how to fill the gaps of characters that died other than giving the survivors dumber and more EPIC things to do. Which followed through the entire series
I noticed a quality drop in s4, and it carried on going down from there.
Like when you remove all the competent people from their roles but everything still kinda works for a while, but two decades later the electricity doesn't stay on and bridges crumble.
That's when they made Thenns, the most civilized wildlings, into cannibalistic orcs. Just...why.
i dont get why they refused to adapt Dance. they used a couple of story lines from the book and that was it. then added OC bullshit
Season 5 in general, Shireen burning specifically.
If you ask for first sound of inner alarm, I heard it at the season 4 final when they completely fricked up Tyrion's motivation for his actions.
i cant remember anything wrong in s1-s4 for tyrion, its s5+ when they frick everything up for tyrion
They completely removed his book dialogue with Jaime and confession about events leading to Tyrion's marriage...original cause for his actions.
Show Tyrion went to dad's chambers without any reason for doing so...and killed his dad defending Shae, traitorous prostitute he strangled couple minutes earlier.
Wtf?
Jaime also did't get some facts about Cersei, but that's minor damage.
they removed the tysha thing because the idiots who watch the show wouldnt even remember who she was. most people who watched the show thought danys name was khaleesi
Whatever their reasons were...doesn't change the results: they fricked up.
Another example of the problem that intelligent anon described
>From that point on show version characters would often "just do something for no reason and then a huge twist happens" because whilst the show characters had personalities and actions increasingly divergent from the books the show still had to keep the same book twists.
The show whitewashed Tyrion to a ridiculous degree. It is because of him that Faegon finally invaded Westeros.
It turned to shit the moment Danny and the manlet met
Season 2, Episode 1
i never watched it.
After the red wedding.
When they turned Asha into Yara. In fact, they pretty much butchered everything about the Greyjoy's/Ironborn.
>they pretty much butchered everything about the Greyjoy's/Ironborn.
And nothing of value was lost
I realized something was very wrong early in season 5. I realized the show was beyond redemption in season 6.
bump
they changed the names of some charecters because they belived their audience was stupid.
And when you start pandering to stupid people, then thats where it can only go down hill.
beginning of season 5, when Arya had a scooby doo chase scene running from the girl from the house of black and white
after getting stabbed she proceeds to jump into a canal with sewer water. any kind of realism dictates she'd die of an infection in a day or two
i knew it would drop in quality as soon as it left the source material but the falloff was crazy. i just cant believe how many people to this day say that they didn't see a problem until season 6-7
I was in denial about it for a while before this, and knew it wasn't ever as good as season 1 again. But this scene specifically was where I remember realizing this show was not going anywhere, that it was just going for shock value and smut and kept building up characters and plotlines just to kill them off for a shocking or surprising moment. By the start of season 5 they'd done this so many times that there really weren't any interesting characters or plotlines left.
When Strong Belwas wasn't included
The House of the Undying
How did the warlock die so easily to the baby dragons? He just stood there. Were there no other warlocks inside? She just left?
I stopped watching after Tywin died. Never really liked any of the non Lannister scenes. Also season 4 ends on a great note and feels like a good open ended conclusion. Later seasons proved me right.
How do you know they proved you right if you didnt watch them
Well I did go through them after the series ended.
The bridge "fight" scene between Brienne and Jamie in season two. The choreography and cuts were so bad it was obvious no actual effort went into the scene. I think 90% of it was just individual shots of their faces as they swung a sword spiced together.
the moment some plebs talked about it at the coffee machine....
I don't bother to watch some 90h shit that EVERY BODY tells you it's good. It just ring a bell in me.
I never watched a single episode of that crap.
[coconut noise while riding horses]
When they had Tyrion and Jorah sail through motherfricking Valyria on a wee little boat.
I love how the history books have rewritten how bland, dull, forgettable Season 2 was when it aired and how people hated it.
if he stuck his sword out forward oberyn would have jumped right onto it
Introduction of the Sand Snakes. Literally dropped the show when the fight scene with them was going on.
when there were a lot of BLACKS
2nd season
Ice Walkers.
They Tyrion being drunk scenes. They were just padding the show.
Don’t forget the Tyrion walking around looking off into the middle distance scenes, plenty of those in the last episodes. But remember, D&D HAD to end the show then, they have Disneybucks to collect coming up!
Well making Robb's "wife" a lowborn girl was the first troubling sign, but the show didn't really go to shit until Season 5 when they repeated Sansa's plot with Joffrey this time with Ramsay. They ruined her character. What would have worked much better is if Sansa was manipulating Ramsay. Taking part in his cruelties to win his affection. She should have succeeded in getting him to discard and execute Miranda and build up his fear, paranoia, and resentment of his father. Once he fully trusts her as a wife that's when she escapes with Theon.
Oh also, so since Sansa had to indulge in Ramsay's cruelty to outmaneuver and vanquish him, she is forever tainted by his legacy. Torture and abuse and cruelty persist on in their effect through the generations. So we find out she is pregnant with his child and after she and Jon defeat Ramsay and take Winterfell she would cede Winterfell to Jon, proclaiming that she is a Bolton now, not a Stark, and thus the Dreadfort is her rightful seat.
That's a very intriguing idea but unfortunately having an ambiguous ending for a female main character was never in the cards.
How old are they all supposed to be as of the Pink Letter, anyway? I think 2 years are meant to have passed but I'm not sure if that's true. If so I think it'd be
>Rickon - 6
>Bran - 9
>Arya - 11
>Sansa - 14
>Jon Snow - 15
Those all seem too young still, but I think I remember there was an interview where Martin said he wished he'd made them all 2 or 3 years older in the beginning of the books.
>Those all seem too young still, but I think I remember there was an interview where Martin said he wished he'd made them all 2 or 3 years older in the beginning of the books.
He planned for there to be a five year gap between books 3 & 4 but he hated writing Feast like that and scrapped the whole idea. This is just thinking in hindsight on his part
I think Bran and Jon's storylines don't really work with a time jump since Bran's wandering through the wilderness and Jon was on a ranging, stuck with the wildlings, and then defeated them with them just hanging around outside the wall so there's no timeframe to just slow down the story and pick it up again two years later for them. Everyone else can basically stop where they are and be aged a couple of years
You don't know what you are talking about. The time jump would have been after Jon becomes Lord Commander and after Bran meets Bloodraven.
that scene where Sansa was watching her sister spar with the big woman in the courtyard. I suddenly realized that they are going to make this all about super woman Arya and how badass she is. The entire scene was three women
The Arya/Sansa drama with little finger was so fricking bizarre and idk why people don’t talk about it enough. At one point Arya threatens to kill Sansa and wear her face (in a private room with no one there)… except we later learn they were both in on it together against little finger… who they also execute anyways but that’s a different story
D&D didn’t know what to do with Littlefinger at that point, so they decided to kill him off by making him just kind of forget that he’s a Machiavellian genius.
>Shansha you musht go to the Boltonsh for shome reashon
>no "nailed it!"
I don't acknowledge this.
That's more like it!
I added it to my entire set
Bless you
Post your entire set.
But what is his motivation in the book? Genuine care for Sansa's wellbeing?
She is his waifu because Cat was his teenage crush but now she's dead. Also in the books he is currently in control of the Vale since he married Lysa, and he is in control of the Riverlands with Harrenhal though he doesn't seem to care about this much. Once Sweetrobin grows up or dies and power is transferred to Harry the Heir, Littlefinger will lose power over the Vale so his clock is ticking there. Sansa has Winterfell as her birthright so basically whomever marries her will be given Winterfell and the title of Warden of the North (if not for all the bullshit with the Boltons/Lannisters that will be undone. So basically Littlefinger is positioning himself to have power over the Riverlands but also have a ton of influence in the North and the Vale through Sansa. Also he has already moved around a few Lords in the Vale around on the map to buy their loyalties forever so even once he loses power as Lord Protector of the Vale or whatever he will still have tons of lackeys in key positions of power there. He has positioned himself to be either directly in control of or have a shitload of influence over 3/7 of the kingdoms on the map
Oh and also he has already gotten a ton of support from the Lannisters and he was who brokered the deal between the Tyrells and Lannisters to group up and defeat Stannis, so he also has some influence there. Also he and Olenna Tyrell carried out the plot together to poison Joffrey, so he and Olenna go deep. The only two kingdoms out of the seven that he doesn't seem to have a real relationship with would be Dorne and the Stormlands. Again he hasn't done much in the Riverlands yet but on paper they are basically his. Littlefinger is one of the biggest players in the game by far and one of the most powerful people in Westeros despite not many people being aware.
The Hound and Bienne fight result.
when the girl assassins showed up
Has anyone read the Dunk and Egg stories or comics. I recently reread the whole series and Dunk and Egg might be my favorite.
Yeah I liked the first two novellas but the third was a bit too fantastical for my liking. First two seemed much more grounded and realistic in-universe
Yea I suppose the 3rd has a bit of an asspull with bloodraven. I kinda chalked that up to the gods taking a keen interest in dunk and egg, sorta like pullo and vorenus from Rome. It's just nice to learn more about that time period. F&B is interesting but all the events and names blend together for me and Dunk and Egg help separate it.
Also that Snail tourney night was based.
Yeah I like how Dunk & Egg takes place between major events read about in TWoIaF. My favorite parts of all the books are probably the second half of Dance and the first half on F&B.
there is no asspull though? Bloodraven had been at the tourney from the start disguised as Maynard Plumm. It's not even a fan theory; George spelt it out with one scene where Plumm briefly looked like Bloodraven in the rain.
really homie? Dunk was literally protected by a prophecy in the first book. Daeron knew Dunk was going to kill some Targaryen through his dragon dream so he just threw the fight and withdrew his accusation, leaving him only Aerion to deal with. The second book is the only one that's grounded.
I enjoyed them all. they were actually my first exposure to the series. my family listened to the audio books together during a vacation when i was 11 a couple months before the show first premiered
>Arya mops floors for a couple weeks doesnt even kill anybody
>is suddenly a master assassin
lol wut
How is it supposed to work even in the books? At most she'll train for a month or two but George dropped the five year gap.
Book arya is still there and AT FRICKING LEAST book arya killed 2 people (the loan shark and the night's watch defector) instead of playing with sticks and mopping floors
And Raff the Sweetling, in the Winds sample chapter. She poses as a prostitute and then kills him when they're alone, the Meryn Trant scene in the show mirrors this
>Arya is literally a janny, cleaning up the kingdom for free
>the kindly man is a troony
They skipped the Hyperbolic Time Chamber scenes where she learns from Son Goku
Originally she was going to use Instant Transmission to kill the WW king but George was annoyed by this so they had to wing it and just had her jump at him like a moron.
it didnt fully sink in i always had hope until i was teleported behind
Why didn't Bran just tell the Kokiri not to use Sith magic?
It all went wrong when they didn't make Renly eat the peach
I have spoken
What was the peach symbolic of? Loras' butthole?
not him but I think it's on the surface representative of both enjoying life, i.e. what makes Renly popular among his bannermen, and the power of the Reach supporting him
but I've always felt there was a sexual undertone to it and what Renly is offering is Margaery. He's saying Renly can frick Margaery and sire the heir to the throne but Renly gets to be king
which wouldn't at all make sense with Stannis's personality but it makes sense in that Renly was going to try to marry Margaery to Robert anyway
>He's saying Renly can frick Margaery
he's saying Stannis* can frick Margaery
I mean
when they resurrected snow
House of the Dragon is awesome
>Slams book closed before the ink dries
lmao this looks so stupid
It's a bit too blocky but it's not that bad otherwise
>The oar is pregnant
When Lannister Sr and Jr got killed.
Season 2 with the introduction of this "character"
>At what point did you realize Game Of Thrones was going to shit?
The first episode. They show cool zombie shit going on then immediately cut to some random family and their drama. I knew right away the interesting supernatural shit was going to be sidelined as a subplot for a fricking soap opera.
The directors wanted the show to be known as the fantasy with breasts and swear words and shock the audience with the Red Wedding, after that it's all just loose ends to wrap up. The last thing they were probably felt motivated to do was humiliate the chud Stannis.
>Ros
>Targaryens not having purple eyes
>Tyrion not having different colored eyes
>House of the Undying
>Quarth
>Talisa
>Not mutilating Tyrion's nose
>No prophecies
>No Lady Stone Heart
>Dorne
>The House of Black and White
>No Bloodraven (Just some old guy)
>Children of the forest
>Completely butchering Euron
>No Young Griff
>The Sandvipers
>No Victarion Greyjoy
Also how averse D&D were to any magic aspect of the books
of the Undying
These were probably the most telling examples early on. Some of these make sense because of the difficulty during production (different colored eyes, Tyrion's scar, etc) but there is no excuse for these at all.
>No Lady Stone Heart
they absolutely made the right decision to not include this dead end arc.
I think I agree but George said that was the number one thing he would like to change about the show, so he was probably planning on her doing some major shit (probably killing all the Freys like Arya did in the show)
When bran stopped being cute
Why are there so many homosexual pedophiles that watch these shows?
>trashy show with gratuitous nudity and sex
>"why do degenerates like it??"
>you like boobs you degenerate!!!
I'll never be as viscerally angry as I was when Sansa ninjad the night king. I will literally never get over or accept it.
the whole character is just GRRM being an aspie. swords were usually secondary weapons if carried at all for actual combat, and a spear pretty much beats sword in every possible way when it comes to fighting dudes in armor, so its just him saying
>achshually spear wielders would be better warriors but muh giant's blood
I dropped it after season 3, not for any particular reason but I was going to wait for season 4 to be out in its entirety before downloading but it looked shit so I never bothered
>no Lady Stoneheart follow up post Red Wedding
>Sand Snakes, Dorne in general
>killing of Randyll and Dickon Tarly as the final shark jump
>play CK2 got mod as Tarth
>do nothing for a hundred years besides upgrading my holdings and making high tier marriages
>eventually mega war breaks out, don’t side with anyone but declare independence
>all the big players are too busy to bother with me
>wait until war is nearing the end and take over a few local regions that had also stayed neutral
>when the war is over my family is liked enough by the ruling family that they leave me be with my small region
Life’s easy when you’re a Tarth
Fricking greenlander
For me it was season 7. I definitely felt the dip in quality in seasons 5 and 6 but I dismissed it as just a brief slump and didn't think too much into it. With hindsight, most people argue season 5 is where it starts slipping, with the occassional good episode like battle of the bastards.
I was similar to this but Battle of the Bastards was when I realized that the show was going to shit. I always thought that the battle made absolutely no sense tactically and the good reception it got from everybody was shocking to me
even if the story made no logic sense, the battle choreography, cinematography and actions were awesome.
When I saw those stupid helmets in episode 1.
When it’s popularity exponentially increased and they ran out of book material. Once normies and reactors got a hold of it, it was over. The target audience went from fantasy nerds to pop culture worshiping Californian gays.
Episode 1, partway through.
When I saw they were adapting a mediocre book series that wasn't even finished into a TV show
I don't recall when I felt it was going down hill, but the point I realized it was actively bad was this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfPn_MFWRa0&ab_channel=HannaA.G
End of first season.
The show dropped massively in quality right at the start of season 2 and anyone with half a brain knee that there was no way they were going to have a satisfying and well thought out conclusion because it was clearly going to rely on shock value over solid storytelling.
Seasons 2-4 were still passable though, though each season was a solid step down. 5 was the season that even the most brain dead normie could realize the show had become total dog shit.
First episode season 1
No problem, thanks bro
I can accept one story where fantastical stuff happens, because if it happened to someone else then we would be following those people instead. But once you've already done some 1/1mil chance story then you can't do another. Also Targs are magic in universe so it isn't unbelievable. Dunk&Egg randomly walking into and stopping an entire revolution singlehandedly without realizing it is moronic
they didn't really stop a revolution single-handedly though? They made it a lot less bloody, but Bloodraven was on the case since before they even knew there was a tourney. The whole plan was doomed to fail from the start because Daemon couldn't actually read a prophecy for shit. The one fricking trump card the rebels relied on to actually incite widespread rebellion, the dragon egg, already got stolen by Brynden's dwarf agents before they even knew what was going on. There is also the fact that the Freys were going to backstab the whole rebellion from the beginning too, because Frey mysteriously got off lightly even though Butterwell got his castle seized.
when the battle of the blackwater was a couple pairs of rinky dink rowboats paddling towards some cgi horseshit
I realized it will never match what I pictured in my head and stopped there
signs were showing up, but this was the scene
and the forest child throwing a grenade.
>shit books
>shit show
>decent season 1 due to great performances saving the shit material
grrm and the two israelites are honestly a good match for each other
I still liked it during oppic but I recall losing interest not long after. Maybe when they killed barristan selmy? It's been a while and I've never went back or picked up the books