Batman 138 Partial Ghetto Storytime

And that's all I got. Thanks.

I never read Secret Six or anything with Scandal but doesn't Scandal hate her father's guts? Isn't that her thing? Doesn't she want to kill him?

I never read Secret Six or anything with Scandal but doesn't Scandal hate her father's guts? Isn't that her thing? Doesn't she want to kill him?

it might be that vandal promised her something she wants in return for her service

maybe she thinks giving everyone immortality is le good, actually, and somehow believes that her daddy wont betray or lie to her about that

>Scandal Savage
I didn't think this moronic story could get worse

>Scandal Savage

That is literally the most moronic name I have ever heard, It's like if Talia was called Ta's al ghul

>It's almost rich how this is just the logical end result to Catwoman's operation; Gotham stolen entirely with the moral justification that few people were actually hurt in the process.
Oh don't worry, I'm sure more people will actually be hurt. Lol.

But I legitimately do find it funny how Catwoman jerked off this whole plan, just for it to become a Vandal Savage operation at probably its conception. Selina is just that fricking stupid in thinking that "Hey, let's teach criminals how to be better thieves, what could possibly go wrong?" And not ask where the stolen money is actually going or who it's funding?

A thief wouldn't be training their own competition, nor would they assume taking henchmen from other criminals would end well for them.

>Catwoman is a thief. It's not it's surprising for her to come up with a plan like this.
she's also not a moron, so she should have thought about this for an entire 30 seconds before dismissing it as moronic

also this

A thief wouldn't be training their own competition, nor would they assume taking henchmen from other criminals would end well for them.

And that's all I got. Thanks.

This was rough to read. Seeing Jason being this helpless and afraid is truly sad. Good on Dick for beating Bruce for that.

Oh to hug Damian.

Yeah, this time it isn't an illusion either. It's most welcome albeit quite late if you ask me.

Well more so the other way around but it is what it is.

You dumb Cassfrickers hitched your wagon to the wrong Batparents.

>more than the babs one tbh
Yeah frick that person who actually sheltered her, taught her to read and speak, guide her through the more complex emotions of socializing with others. Cass's deep emotional core is with the guy who amounts to a brand for her.

She's adopted. And she defintely was a daughter figure in the same way they were sons figures. Hell even when she stopped being a bat she was retconned in as the second sidekick he took in rebirth.

Bruce adopted dick in his late 20s. It got addressed in the outsiders book right after (it was why dick was mad at her actually). And she was pretty much framed as a daughter figure from the get go, before tim was a son.

>more than the babs one tbh
Yeah frick that person who actually sheltered her, taught her to read and speak, guide her through the more complex emotions of socializing with others. Cass's deep emotional core is with the guy who amounts to a brand for her.

Babs didn't really shelter her? She mostly lived in the wayne places. And babs never managed to teach her to read. Nor even really do much guiding in the socialization thing. Babs is absolutely her mother figure, I just think that bruce as a father figure to her worked. And no the deep emotional core is the same underlying value in the preservation of life, over any of the others's views.

She did during no man's land, but not really afterwards. Cass moved out of the clocktower like 5 issues into her solo.

It absolutely did, cass's dad was literally framed as a contrasting point to bruce down to the design. And if anything id argue bruce was the least good a dad to damian if anything, with dick having attempted more there as an older brother figure.

Dad's been dead twice over now.

Yeah because Shiva never was that for Cass.

>and everyone except Damian
And look where it got him.

Also, why you people act like Cass absence is a strange occurrence? Her importance to Bruce was only for very brief period.

They only started fighting against Bruce because he is losing his mind. Jason joining Selina was for his own agenda and he doesn't really trust her plan.

Jason was chasing after the Joker with Steph. Dick and Babs were busy in buldhaven. I guess Tim and Damian were being useless.

Cass has more loyalty to Duke than Bruce anon.
Everyone knows that.

>Our father
Identity Crisis was a disaster for the Tim Drake race

Was Tim always this touchy feely? He is lately almost always hugging someone whenever he appears in any story.

How would being IDed force them to live normal lives? Wouldn't that just open Dick and Tim up to retaliation by criminals? They could just lean harder into their vigilante personas rather than civilian since they'd be constantly under threat

The biggest idiots are Dick and Tim.
Who doesn't carry a knife?

One of the most useful, widely applicable, and easily accessible tools is a fricking pocket knife.

Man, everyone *is* more moronic than usual.

Same with Bat's plan with Jason. Him having a panic attack whenever he's in a dangerous situation would force him into to live like an isolated agoraphobe. Ironically, Jason would have a worse quality of life than just going to jail. Zur isn't thinking things through but that might just be the point.

Bruce is being more extreme because everyone buys this bullshit about harm reduction at face value. If I was expected to swallow that load I'd be pissed too.

If Bruce wasn't going full schizo, this whole story would just be just the Batfamily stomping on Selina's dumb super thief school. The extent that the writers have to sabotage Bruce to create the semblance of equality between the two sides is shocking.

>“lost his humanity”
>is the only sane person in this entire story

It’d force them under constant police surveillance if not a witness protection order

Same with Bat's plan with Jason. Him having a panic attack whenever he's in a dangerous situation would force him into to live like an isolated agoraphobe. Ironically, Jason would have a worse quality of life than just going to jail. Zur isn't thinking things through but that might just be the point.

When he’s in a highly dangerous situation, not just fricking any danger like crossing the street. Shit like trying to kill people sets it off.

An explosion went off.

To be exact the phrasing wasn't killing people is what set it off.

I think people miss the point that Batman is sacred of losing Jason. He already made a promise in Cheer that he intend to keep Jason alive and also in the previous part of this event. It doesn't make what he did ok, tho.

>It’d force them under constant police surveillance if not a witness protection order
Because if the bats are known for one thing, it's staying visible and obeying authority.
>When he’s in a highly dangerous situation, not just fricking any danger like crossing the street. Shit like trying to kill people sets it off.
It hasn't been established what a dangerous situation is. Batman said adrenaline sets it off. There's plenty of normal everyday situations that could potentially trigger it. (like a near miss traffic accident or a mugger in an alley type situation)

Bruce is being more extreme because everyone buys this bullshit about harm reduction at face value. If I was expected to swallow that load I'd be pissed too.

There definitely should have been a family member who agreed with Bruce at first, but called him out on his violence

It’s hilarious because they were only mad in the first place because Bruce was targeting their special criminals specifically. Literally “Noooooooo you can’t arrest OUR muggers you’re literally going insane Bruce you need help!”

Lmao yeah it’s so funny watching them complain that Batman is treating them like mistakes
Hmm I wonder why is it because he’s demented or is it because you’re helping muggers and are mistakes?

Selina at least doesn't beat them or try to brainwash them like a certain controlling freak.

“Batman is angry at us, are we the problem?”
“No, it’s Beuce who is insane for not supporting our queen Selina!”

And it always a Vandal Savage plot too making them collaborators to that.

>That panel
Fujo panties across the land are now soaked

You guys are all missing that this is Bruce doing it. He’s talking about much he loves Jason, in previous issues we see Zur is still locked in a mental cage, here we see that Zur is still confined only to try and convince regular Bruce but is not in control.
Obvs he’s slowly losing control to zur but for now he still is the one in control of everything happening, not zur. That said what he did to Jason was justified, something had to be done to stop him murdering and helping criminals.

No, many of us know Bruce is doing this on his own. We know Bruce is an obsessive person who has to be in control of everything, that's been who he is for decades. It's fun seeing that so blatant and in no uncertain/nebulous terms now though. Like yeah, he will absolutely control your body and mind to get what he wants "for your own good" WITHOUT your consent.

Gotham War is still shit though and I'm hoping that this "train Gorham criminals to be better thieves" plan backfires in Selina's face.

Throwing him into Phantom Zone is justified not this
And really does he still kill people? Does he not use rubber bullets or something lame like that?

>noooo you can't kill murderer rapists
Zatanna was justified. At first atleast

Dick's such a homosexual holy christ

>Damian really had it coming
He does, but I kinda feel sorry. He is so desperate for his daddy's love and approval just have him worrying and chasing after Jason instead.

>cried pretty hard over Jason when he died and was in so much pain that his friends got really worried about him
>killed the joker over mentioning Jason's name
>beat Batman so badly over what he did to Jason
You know what? You might be right.

Obviously. Jason is his first legacy and brother after all.

Dick being such a good bro to tim and damian comes from feeling that he failed jason as one due to his own issues with bruce.

Kek

They vaguelly referenced the fact they broke up during the Hellbat Darkseid war and Bruce just went “but we all forgive eachother because Damian is more important so it’s back to normal now”

The funny thing about Damian's death is that Morrison made it clear that Batman wouldn't be devastated about it like what happened with Jason and he is going to handle his grief well this time. Then, there was Tomasi.

It's not like he had time to be close to Damian in BR either with all the crossovers and then dying. This why the entire arc was just weird and forced.

I don't think so. He said that he killed Damian because he wanted the status que of Batman having a died robin back.

Yeah, but this was actually his explanation about why he killed Damian. He said it in an interview after his death.

It created such a huge disconnect. Does Batman actually care or does he not? Which version is the true one?

Batfamilygays losing their shit over Bruce doing horrible things in canon is always great to see. Really shows they have never picked up a comic in their life and only read WFA. Also shows they have literally no reading comprehension because the whole point of this is Bruce is losing his mind and probably is literally not even himself, and Zdarsky is obviously building towards Bruce and Zur having a confrontation.

Ah, Dick losing his shit and beating up Bruce. Just like old times.

I welcome it after Taylor wiped away most of his old personality for his new fanon-to-canon heckin wholesome golden retriever "personality".

Nah, he's damaged Dick's canon personality by changing it to his fanon personality. With the popularity of his run, the next couple writers are probably going to use the fanon personality as well. Probably won't bring back his actual personality until one of his writers has a Devin Grayson level frick up and makes the fanbase revolt against everything the writer did, including use the fanon personality.

I don't remember Dick ever losing it this badly at Bruce.

Dick was so butthurt about Bruce just dumping his Bruce Wayne identity back in the early 00s he chased him around the cave trying to beat his ass. Bruce didn't even do anything, Dick just felt slighted about Bruce not wanting to be Bruce anymore lol.

Yeah, Dick just felt insulted. Him losing his shit in this issue is nothing compared to that because at least here Bruce's brain worms caused him to frick up Jason.

Yeah the batfamily cycle usually happens every 4-5 years or so.

In Batman Fugitive back in the early 00s the batfamily and especially Dick were pissed when he dumped his Bruce Wayne name and he pushed them all away.
In the mid 00s War Games did some similar shit, but wasn't as severe as Fugitive.
He was dead in the late 00s so it didn't happen then because Dick is relatively normal in comparison. Tim kinda did it to himself instead.
in the early '10s Death of the Family had him pushing the batfamily away AND them being uber pissed at Batman having told Joker his idenity years ago and not telling them this.
King's first arc was shit so I didn't read past that but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened there too.

When Zdarsky makes the batfamily make up and he's off the book, the next writer or the one after him will probably do the same thing.

I don't remember Dick ever losing it this badly at Bruce.

You aren't wrong. I really don't like Zdarsky's Tim.

That too. Jason will probably get a mini out of his and then he'll go back to normal within 12-18 months lol.

I'm just tired of this plot being done for the 5th time with zero variation to get a lone batman again. All the impact it had prior is gone, it just feels like going trough the motions before bruce makes amends with them and we go back to one page arts of them together before the next run forces him to do this all over again, all the while 7 villains take over gotham.

That's fair, as is just thinking the writing is just shit (because it is). I was mainly talking about the ones who are aghast at Bruce being horrible and calling it OOC like he hasn't been abusive in some way for almost 40 years.

It's also funny because Bruce is still being fricking lenient with Jason too. Literally just this week Rosenberg had Jason basically admit that he has zero faith in Selina's plan and is just waiting for the goons to mess up so he can hunt and kill them later.

I'm just tired of this plot being done for the 5th time with zero variation to get a lone batman again. All the impact it had prior is gone, it just feels like going trough the motions before bruce makes amends with them and we go back to one page arts of them together before the next run forces him to do this all over again, all the while 7 villains take over gotham.

Sorry, Selina's plan has so little critical thinking applied to it, its hard to believe the family would choose her over Bruce.

As someone who enjoys Wayne Family Adventures, my problem isn't entirely with Bruce's harshness. Sure, it's a little overboard at times, especially with this run, but it's understandable.

My problem is that this shit never amounts to anything. It's always the same cycle of "BATFAMILY BROKEN, BRUCE ALONE, LE ABUSIVE BATMAN" to "Batman fixed his shit and everyone's back together again :)". I get that Batman's an butthole sometimes, what I don't like is how it doesn't do shit but just remind people that he's an butthole and nothing else.

Oh, and I want Alfred revived and Batman to be a billionaire again.

Because Damian's death happened either during it or right after it

Damian died and then bruce became amnesiac.

I agree.

Its even worse when the writer believes he cant write them out of character.

Bruce is crazier then a fruitcake but he's undeniably right.

I'm being told a lot that Selina's plan is working but literally every issue is a showcase of how it's failing but this makes this whole thing into a farce. If Batman just took a little bit longer to wake up from his coma nap then the nearly the entire Batfamily would've okayed the trojan horse that would see Gotham fall to Vandal Savage.
It's almost rich how this is just the logical end result to Catwoman's operation; Gotham stolen entirely with the moral justification that few people were actually hurt in the process.

I wish this event was more about this blowing up so bad in Dick's and everyone's faces that it traumatizes them to becoming strict hardliners against fraternizing with Supervillains, reformed or otherwise, to the point Batman looks like the easygoing one in contrast.

Wow thank you for reminding me because I forget all about that.
I guess kidnapping and holding a security guard hostage is not a violent crime though so it's all good.

It's unfortunately become the norm these days, but he at least got some beating himself this time.

>"I swear that I will fight against crime and corruption"

>""waaaaaahhhh nooooooo I'm not letting you do this! I"m not letting you destroy the peace that my murderer mugger criminal enabler queen Selina made!"
Someone get Dick his diaper he's being a big moronic baby again

One thing King did well that I'm glad is continuing, is the reintegration of Golden Age scenarios and dialogue to their backstories.
Obviously Morrison really started it, but King didn't have to keep it up after the New 52 nuked it

>+ modifying someone body without their consent is pretty up there as far as villainy goes.
Bats mind-raped him.

Joker tortured him and beat him to death. Bruce gave him a fear of murdering people. Bruce is way nicer than Jason deserves.

All Jason has to do is stop going out and killing criminals.

Never have an extreme adrenaline rush akin to crime-fighting.
And good. Would he rather have that or get given the lethal injection? Bruce is showing him more mercy than be deserves.

>Death penalty isn't a thing in Gotham, moron.
Source? There have been dozens of Batman stories with the death penalty. Batman even actively stopped the Joker from being executed in Devil's Advocate.

>Gotham has a death penalty.
Well my bad. Justice is too inefficient here or not as powerful as Batman's autism to go there, anyway so it may as well not be a thing but comics are more moronic than I though. Death penalty would still be better than what Bruce did, however.

>the innocents he has killed.
Such as?

>go to regular prison for 3 months on jaywalking charge
>get murdered 2 months in by Batman’s seething edgelord son
What a world

Joker is right beside Batman in being DC's golden goose, so even if Jason did pop his head like a zit and it was 100% confirmed that it was the Joker and not some body double or some lame shit like that, he'd be back next week.

You mean ginger Jason who was a huge retcon to begin with by Morrison and doesn't exist anymore?
>peacefully serving out their sentences
Hu-huh. Exemplary prison then.

>according to Jasongays
The one who live in your head rent-free? It's DC who came up with this direction. Two contradictory things can't however exist at once. It's basic logic and the only limit of the "everything is canon".

Can someone explain to me the whole 3 Jokers nonsense?

"What if Joker was not just one guy all along." It's you're average Joker story but written by a fanboy trying to merge multiple canons in hope his version will be the "definitive".

It seems to be a particular one guy who is obsessed with the idea of Jason getting a death sentence and keep bringing it up almost all the time while pretending that the Joker is some kind of hero.

>82 inmates in blackgate
>Innocents
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DID THE JUDGE CALL THEM INNOCENTS TOO? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I named 82.

>What Bruce does is also torture
It’s not. Jason can avoid any fear by just not doing crimefighting anymore. If Jason feels any fear it is self-inflicted because he purposefully exposes himself to fear instead of avoiding it and living a normal life as Batman described would never set it off. Batman’s not to fault for punching Jason in the face whenever he levels a gun at somebody, this is an automatic punch button.

Joker is the problem. Jason is the complainer. If there is no complainer then there is no problem. Logic!

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Man like I always said, Jason is 100% the favorite son. He gets so much slack for his frickups.

Bruce is utterly ashamed of Jason and regrets taking him in. He explicitly admitted that he adopted Jason in the first place as 1) a convenient placeholder for Dick, the son that he actually loved and lost, and 2) a proof-of-concept that Crime Alley trash can be upcycled a là My Fair Lady. Project Jason was a failure on both counts.

Almost every time he says something nice about Jason, he's talking about Jason's potential to be made into something else. Go back and read the comics. Yeah Bruce is possessed by Zur right now, but he's still repeating his 40-years-old spiel about how Jason is a project to be fixed.

Bruce would love to lock up Jason, but Jason would just murder other inmates and escape. Bruce does not love Jason, he does not want to be his dad. Bruce uses family and love as bait to get Jason to behave. Bruce pretends family and love for Jason because everyone expects him to (especially noticeable when Alfred basically needs to remind Bruce to act as if hecs a father). Jason is something that is Bruce's fault, so Bruce is just stuck with him like a ball and chain.

Jason Todd is the #1 stain on Batdad's reputation. There is no salvaging the character, Jason just needs to be wiped out of existence and forgotten. Or just get him out of Gotham and make him retire to Nebraska. He makes Batman depressing instead of heroic.

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Jokerwank is too fricking powerful, even compared to Batwank. He got a face-full of Fear Toxin one time and called it "Tasty".
It's literally not worth the effort.

Worse still is that would just be antagonising him.
Like if Jason ever gets over his conditioning he'll maybe go back to low level crimefighting. If Joker gets over it he's gonna flood the streets with blood to make up for lost time.

just because they're untalented morons doesn't mean they didn't come up with this idea together.

well when all 3 writers of the event have a poor understanding of these characters and their voices that's not surprising

Murder is inexcusable. Jason is the villain and a failed robin.

Batman should arrest her. And Batwoman too. And Catwoman and Talia.

>He actually even admitted to Robin Jason that he did kill
Well, this explains a lot.

It actually did. There has been references to stories from pre-crisis.

The battle custody of Jason in pre-crisis has been referred.

One of Williamson's books. Don't remember which one.

>He actually even admitted to Robin Jason that he did kill
Well, this explains a lot.

Eh kinda. Bruce stressed the distinction between self-defense and murder.

>"Of COURSE killing is completely justified for self-defense, Jay! You'd need to be REALLY UNREASONABLE to think otherwise!"

>equates the life of the Joker to that of a toddler that the fricker just gassed
This is fricking true. No murder is justified and all life is sacred.

It factually is, cope. Everyone has a right to live.

I can't help but notice how everyone shilling for Chip's slop has some sort of bone to pick with Batman as a character and his fans.

What "facts"? All you did was say Batman's worse than Jason in terms of deaths without any elaboration.

Brother Eye and Metal.

>Brother Eye
Zatanna's fault for dealing with Batman's knowledge of Rapist Light in the most moronic way imaginable. Basically gave him every single excuse to distrust his peers.
>Metal
He did a lot wrong yeah but is it really his "fault". You can't really fight prophecy.

>Zatanna's fault for dealing with Batman's knowledge of Rapist Light in the most moronic way imaginable. Basically gave him every single excuse to distrust his peers.
Funny how he is repeating the same mistake with Jason right now.

>crybaby marvelgay seethes rent free at DC villains being cooler than spidercuck and is now crying at DC as a whole
You’re still yet to refute anything, now just mimicking my superior mannerisms because you literally thought you sound cool “threatening” to be a wojak cuck

>it’s a problem that this character is painted as threatening and “wanked”
It’s not a problem at all, as I pointed out.
Characters need to be threatening, especially the main villains. The only people who cry like adult babies about villains getting “wanked” are jealous and seething that other lamer villains aren’t as popular for it instead. The fact Joker gets wins over Batman despite being sent back to jail is one of his biggest character appeals which has translated to bestselling series like The Dark Knight and the Arkham Games, making it your interest of seething at Joker being objectively cooler than your faves vs DC’s interest of preserving their best villain’s legacy.

>it’s a problem that this character is painted as threatening and “wanked”
It’s not a problem at all, as I pointed out.
Characters need to be threatening, especially the main villains. The only people who cry like adult babies about villains getting “wanked” are jealous and seething that other lamer villains aren’t as popular for it instead. The fact Joker gets wins over Batman despite being sent back to jail is one of his biggest character appeals which has translated to bestselling series like The Dark Knight and the Arkham Games, making it your interest of seething at Joker being objectively cooler than your faves vs DC’s interest of preserving their best villain’s legacy.

You won’t actually be able to refute any of this though, maybe if I’m lucky you’ll cry again about how you’ll post a wojak if I keep bullying you for being a spidercuck lmao

If Joker's actions can be excused because he is "insane", then Jason can use this card too since the guy who was tortured and murdered and had to dig himself out of his grave isn't exactly mentally sound.

Yeah, because Arkham is the beat to judge that.

Also.
>TONY DANIEL: "Jason was always a little bit more on the reckless, daring side, and he obviously has a screw loose after coming back from the Lazarus Pit. When you do come back from the Lazarus Pit, you're not one hundred percent right in the head, and Jason really wasn't all that right in the head to begin with."

The court decides not arkham. And being unhinged is different to being legally insane, Jason is canonically legally sane and deserves the death penalty which he would get if Bryce wasn’t so nice and lenient with him.

No moron you “lost”. Read the Batdick arc, Jason is canonically legally sane as decided by a legal court of law and goes to blackgate.

>coping
Desperate I see.
The whole point of The Long Halloween and Dark Victory is that the corruption has been seeded out. The crime families are no more, they have all been killed off and usurped by supervillains who don’t care about the courts they only care about Batman. Jason is legally sane. Cope and Cry, cuck.

Yes, which you don’t know since you don’t read the comics. Joker literally killed the crime families himself in Rebirth and now Penguin took over (and Penguin also gets sent to Arkham when he’s naughty)

Batman dealt with the state corruption all the way back in Year One
>*more of your vague blubbering without citing any actual issues*
The Gotham Court system has been clean since. You can read Joker’s court cases in both Devil’s Advocate and Gotham Confidential (which you never read). He gets sent to Arkham by a reluctant but fair judge, never a corrupt one.

>*more of your vague blubbering without citing any actual issues*
Thank you for proving me right, blubbering dicklet

I think he is trying to say that his life in the streets already had impact on his mentality, not that he was always jerk.

She’s working with Jason there idiot. She’s literally recruiting him.

>Noone has any right to murder anyone
And yet, Joker still do it anyway. So, what's your solution here? His victims have no rights, but he does?

That's not a "right", this is corruption. I honestly don't know if you believe the bs you are saying, or just saying it out of pathetic hatred for Jason. I truly hope it's the latter.

Yes, it's for a killer like the joker who easily escape jail. When it was the last time he spent any time in jail? He has been running freely for years now.

And yet, you want Jason to get a death sentence. The double standards and lack of self awareness is almost impressive.

>Because Jason is legally sane. Joker is legally insane
And who decided this? You? And Joker is fully aware of what he is doing and all his killing are made with intent. Only fools would believe that he has no choice.

Schizo
And if Jason’s such a baby he wants Batman to murder, then the first murderer that Batman should murder is Jason. You don’t get to say “rules for thee but not for me”. Jason wants that because Jason is a coward.