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I never read Secret Six or anything with Scandal but doesn't Scandal hate her father's guts? Isn't that her thing? Doesn't she want to kill him?
I read secret six and villains united way too long ago but I think that was the case, but she did display some daddy issues too so who knows, the young justice scandal was always loyal though
it might be that vandal promised her something she wants in return for her service
Oh come on. You know it's just that they assumed she was like his Talia and there's no editorial to keep things straight.
maybe she thinks giving everyone immortality is le good, actually, and somehow believes that her daddy wont betray or lie to her about that
Probably making her wives both immortal like her or something unless they retcon it so she only has Knockout.
>Scandal Savage
I didn't think this moronic story could get worse
Maybe Vandal and her mom did it in public, hence the name?
>Scandal Savage
That is literally the most moronic name I have ever heard, It's like if Talia was called Ta's al ghul
I'm being told a lot that Selina's plan is working but literally every issue is a showcase of how it's failing but this makes this whole thing into a farce. If Batman just took a little bit longer to wake up from his coma nap then the nearly the entire Batfamily would've okayed the trojan horse that would see Gotham fall to Vandal Savage.
It's almost rich how this is just the logical end result to Catwoman's operation; Gotham stolen entirely with the moral justification that few people were actually hurt in the process.
>It's almost rich how this is just the logical end result to Catwoman's operation; Gotham stolen entirely with the moral justification that few people were actually hurt in the process.
Oh don't worry, I'm sure more people will actually be hurt. Lol.
But I legitimately do find it funny how Catwoman jerked off this whole plan, just for it to become a Vandal Savage operation at probably its conception. Selina is just that fricking stupid in thinking that "Hey, let's teach criminals how to be better thieves, what could possibly go wrong?" And not ask where the stolen money is actually going or who it's funding?
Catwoman is a thief. It's not it's surprising for her to come up with a plan like this.
I'm still not sure whether the narrative is pretending she is in right or not, to be honest.
A thief wouldn't be training their own competition, nor would they assume taking henchmen from other criminals would end well for them.
Bruce Wayne is a white billionaire, so he's in the wrong from the beginning. Catwoman is a powerful woman who worked hard at being an "independent woman who does her own thing", so she's not in the wrong at all. This whole Gotham War bullshit is the writers fellating themselves on how, "no you guys, Billionaire Bruce Wayne is objectively a horrible person due to his billionaire status, he actually doesn't really help people. So Selina is gonna do crime reduction by teaching criminals on how to be expert thieves too.",
The only way for this whole thing to go south, is if they show a robbery gone wrong and some thief kills an innocent family. The thieves already tortured some security guard, so these people aren't "poor little meow meow who only needs to steal to survive", they're ready and willing to hurt anyone to get in the way. But I'm sure the writers will absolutely absolve Selina of any wrongdoing to make sure she's still in the right and her plan would have worked if "Bruce believed in her" or some excuse.
>Catwoman is a thief. It's not it's surprising for her to come up with a plan like this.
she's also not a moron, so she should have thought about this for an entire 30 seconds before dismissing it as moronic
also this
That's the probably thing I'm interested in seeing with this event, Selina realizing she's been a pawn this whole time and even then I'm still prepared to be let down.
This was rough to read. Seeing Jason being this helpless and afraid is truly sad. Good on Dick for beating Bruce for that.
Dick’s a little gay who sucks Catwoman’s minions’ dicks
Oh to hug Damian.
This is the only time I have ever seen Tim hug Damian
Yeah, this time it isn't an illusion either. It's most welcome albeit quite late if you ask me.
You act like Damian deserve a hug from Tim.
>can't tell if serious or joking.
Well more so the other way around but it is what it is.
So he really just forgets cass is as much a daughter as those 4 are sons, huh? Doesnt shock me but always lame.
You dumb Cassfrickers hitched your wagon to the wrong Batparents.
I like her dynamic with bruce (more than the babs one tbh), its just strange that they address the other 4 but not her, despite being adopted too.
>more than the babs one tbh
Yeah frick that person who actually sheltered her, taught her to read and speak, guide her through the more complex emotions of socializing with others. Cass's deep emotional core is with the guy who amounts to a brand for her.
>cass is as much a daughter as those 4 are sons
No, she is absolutely not. She was never as dear or as important to him as his robins.
She's adopted. And she defintely was a daughter figure in the same way they were sons figures. Hell even when she stopped being a bat she was retconned in as the second sidekick he took in rebirth.
>She's adopted
Yeah, when she was 18 and in some forgettable story that didn't get acknowledged ever again. I'm not trying to be harsh here, anon. It's just the truth.
Bruce adopted dick in his late 20s. It got addressed in the outsiders book right after (it was why dick was mad at her actually). And she was pretty much framed as a daughter figure from the get go, before tim was a son.
Babs didn't really shelter her? She mostly lived in the wayne places. And babs never managed to teach her to read. Nor even really do much guiding in the socialization thing. Babs is absolutely her mother figure, I just think that bruce as a father figure to her worked. And no the deep emotional core is the same underlying value in the preservation of life, over any of the others's views.
>Babs didn't really shelter her?
She did.
>I just think that bruce as a father figure to her worked
It doesn't. Hell imo Bruce is a father figure only to his actual son. Everyone else gets Bruce Wayne the older Brother.
She did during no man's land, but not really afterwards. Cass moved out of the clocktower like 5 issues into her solo.
It absolutely did, cass's dad was literally framed as a contrasting point to bruce down to the design. And if anything id argue bruce was the least good a dad to damian if anything, with dick having attempted more there as an older brother figure.
The fact that Cass has dad is what prevents Bruce from being her father figure.
Dad's been dead twice over now.
she has shiva, babs is still her mom figure.
Yeah because Shiva never was that for Cass.
Cass is almost completely absent from this storyline except where Bruce hit her with the grappling gun. Tim, Dick and Babs decided that BATMAN WAS WRONG and everyone except Damian went along with it for a big fight.
This was not surprising since every other part of this storyline has been completely stupid.
>and everyone except Damian
And look where it got him.
Also, why you people act like Cass absence is a strange occurrence? Her importance to Bruce was only for very brief period.
At the very least, it is incredibly lazy writing to not even give a character an opinion before sending them off to battle in a Civil War-style event like this.
It is weird that all the kids except Damian went against Bruce, anyways.
They only started fighting against Bruce because he is losing his mind. Jason joining Selina was for his own agenda and he doesn't really trust her plan.
What were they doing in the 8 weeks it took for Selina to set this up?
Jason was chasing after the Joker with Steph. Dick and Babs were busy in buldhaven. I guess Tim and Damian were being useless.
>Dick and Babs were busy in buldhaven
Too busy ripping off Matt Fraction's Hawkeye.
Cass has more loyalty to Duke than Bruce anon.
Everyone knows that.
>"our dad"
I don't know why, but this honestly made me cringe.
>Our father
Identity Crisis was a disaster for the Tim Drake race
It's a thing nowadays since Dick also call him "dad". I think it's only Jason who doesn't really refer to him this way which is a bit ironic.
Was Tim always this touchy feely? He is lately almost always hugging someone whenever he appears in any story.
He’s queer now.
How would being IDed force them to live normal lives? Wouldn't that just open Dick and Tim up to retaliation by criminals? They could just lean harder into their vigilante personas rather than civilian since they'd be constantly under threat
Selina is getting harshly criticized for her stupid plan, but Bruce is being the bigger moron here.
The biggest idiots are Dick and Tim.
Who doesn't carry a knife?
None of the bats carry a knife except Jason. I guess they all are bunch of morons.
One of the most useful, widely applicable, and easily accessible tools is a fricking pocket knife.
Man, everyone *is* more moronic than usual.
Even Duke uses sharp weapons
Same with Bat's plan with Jason. Him having a panic attack whenever he's in a dangerous situation would force him into to live like an isolated agoraphobe. Ironically, Jason would have a worse quality of life than just going to jail. Zur isn't thinking things through but that might just be the point.
Also, while everyone (rightfully) criticizes Selina's plan, they ignore Bruce went to 10 almost immediately. Her group shouldn't be harder to break than any other organized crime group in Gotham. A little pressure hear, a couple of investigations there and a couple of busts and she'd be done for. Bats didn't need to beat the ever loving shit out of everyone. Honestly 1 dead thief a month is much safer than whatever gangsters/ supervillains they replaced.
Bruce is being more extreme because everyone buys this bullshit about harm reduction at face value. If I was expected to swallow that load I'd be pissed too.
>Bats didn't need to beat the ever loving shit out of everyone
That is what Batman always fricking does to criminals. All of the robins have done this too. The only difference here in his usual modus operandi is he’s not beating up Selina for being behind all of this.
If Bruce wasn't going full schizo, this whole story would just be just the Batfamily stomping on Selina's dumb super thief school. The extent that the writers have to sabotage Bruce to create the semblance of equality between the two sides is shocking.
All of this shit started the moment Bruce lost his Humanity aka his right hand.
>“lost his humanity”
>is the only sane person in this entire story
Batman starting to speak in a British accent like Liquid Snake is the only way to salvage this storyline.
It’d force them under constant police surveillance if not a witness protection order
When he’s in a highly dangerous situation, not just fricking any danger like crossing the street. Shit like trying to kill people sets it off.
>Shit like trying to kill people sets it off.
Hmm. So, how do you explain this
An explosion went off.
So, him trying to kill people isn't what setting it off. There's also
To be exact the phrasing wasn't killing people is what set it off.
I know Bruce didn't say that and I'm just calling out the anon who is saying that killing is what set it off. If anything, it seems that Bruce is being overprotective here by making sure Jason run away from any dangerous situation (kinda of like what Ilumi did to Killua) to ensure he would be safe and live normal life which of course would backfire badly.
I think people miss the point that Batman is sacred of losing Jason. He already made a promise in Cheer that he intend to keep Jason alive and also in the previous part of this event. It doesn't make what he did ok, tho.
He wants to escape a locked-up cell. There is no door in and out, hence why Marquis had to blow down the wall
>It’d force them under constant police surveillance if not a witness protection order
Because if the bats are known for one thing, it's staying visible and obeying authority.
>When he’s in a highly dangerous situation, not just fricking any danger like crossing the street. Shit like trying to kill people sets it off.
It hasn't been established what a dangerous situation is. Batman said adrenaline sets it off. There's plenty of normal everyday situations that could potentially trigger it. (like a near miss traffic accident or a mugger in an alley type situation)
There definitely should have been a family member who agreed with Bruce at first, but called him out on his violence
>called him out on his violence
It's so weird to do that though because they all beat people up.
It’s hilarious because they were only mad in the first place because Bruce was targeting their special criminals specifically. Literally “Noooooooo you can’t arrest OUR muggers you’re literally going insane Bruce you need help!”
>why is Batman so mad that we're all corrupted?
Lmao yeah it’s so funny watching them complain that Batman is treating them like mistakes
Hmm I wonder why is it because he’s demented or is it because you’re helping muggers and are mistakes?
“Batman is angry at us, are we the problem?”
“No, it’s Beuce who is insane for not supporting our queen Selina!”
Selina at least doesn't beat them or try to brainwash them like a certain controlling freak.
It’s because Batman is demented.
It’s time for a new Batman!
And it always a Vandal Savage plot too making them collaborators to that.
>Because if the bats are known for one thing, it's staying visible and obeying authority
If they break the law then Bruce has it in his rights to beat the shit out of them and lock them up personally
>It hasn't been established what a dangerous situation is
It has been established what a safe situation is: a normal life where je gets a normal job and has a normal family. Oh boohoo he feels so afraid that he can’t kill that mugger anymore, I don’t care that’s one less body on the streets thanks to Bruce.
>That panel
Fujo panties across the land are now soaked
I don't think I see anyone ship Dick and Tim.
You guys are all missing that this is Bruce doing it. He’s talking about much he loves Jason, in previous issues we see Zur is still locked in a mental cage, here we see that Zur is still confined only to try and convince regular Bruce but is not in control.
Obvs he’s slowly losing control to zur but for now he still is the one in control of everything happening, not zur. That said what he did to Jason was justified, something had to be done to stop him murdering and helping criminals.
Jason already stopped killing, though. Batman isn't really justified, but yeah. It's pretty obvious that it's Bruce who is talking to Jason and give the batarang to Dick to free himself. Zur isn't in control yet.
No, many of us know Bruce is doing this on his own. We know Bruce is an obsessive person who has to be in control of everything, that's been who he is for decades. It's fun seeing that so blatant and in no uncertain/nebulous terms now though. Like yeah, he will absolutely control your body and mind to get what he wants "for your own good" WITHOUT your consent.
Gotham War is still shit though and I'm hoping that this "train Gorham criminals to be better thieves" plan backfires in Selina's face.
Zatanna was justified
Throwing him into Phantom Zone is justified not this
And really does he still kill people? Does he not use rubber bullets or something lame like that?
Nope, he still kills people. It was shown in the explanation for his new suit. Heck he's been killing people since Penguin in RHATO, it's justified to give him a fear of killing.
Zatanna was stopping a hero (Batman) from enacting justice
Batman is stopping a villain (Jason) from murdering more innocents.
>noooo you can't kill murderer rapists
Zatanna was justified. At first atleast
you can't, or you would be just as bad as they are. You send them to jail and they get a fair trial and await their just sentence.
Dick's such a homosexual holy christ
Wew, Dick is truly go big or go home when it comes to his reaction to something bad happening to Jason. I guess Jason is secretly is his favorite bro.
This supposed to be a sad moment, but I actually laughed at this. Damian really had it coming.
>Damian really had it coming
He does, but I kinda feel sorry. He is so desperate for his daddy's love and approval just have him worrying and chasing after Jason instead.
Once upon a time, Damian was actually jealous of Jason. That definitely hit too close to home.
>cried pretty hard over Jason when he died and was in so much pain that his friends got really worried about him
>killed the joker over mentioning Jason's name
>beat Batman so badly over what he did to Jason
You know what? You might be right.
We already now Jason is tsundere for Dick but is Dick tsundere for Jason?
Obviously. Jason is his first legacy and brother after all.
He doesnt even fight with jason that much anymore.
Dick being such a good bro to tim and damian comes from feeling that he failed jason as one due to his own issues with bruce.
You forgot that in elseworlds Dick turned into an evil vampire fueled by his most depraved desires, stabbed Bruce through the heart, crushed Tim's skull, and tried to turn Jason into his immortal vampire bro so that they could raise Damian together.
DC has an insidious agenda.
Kek
The funny thing about Damian's death is that Morrison made it clear that Batman wouldn't be devastated about it like what happened with Jason and he is going to handle his grief well this time. Then, there was Tomasi.
Bruce really wasnt close to damian in morrison's run at all.
It's not like he had time to be close to Damian in BR either with all the crossovers and then dying. This why the entire arc was just weird and forced.
Well its clear morrison wanted damian to be dick's dead robin.
I don't think so. He said that he killed Damian because he wanted the status que of Batman having a died robin back.
Well actually he planned on killing damian in the same story he introduced him, to show being batman's son wasn't enough. but then he decided he would work for dick's robin.
Yeah, but this was actually his explanation about why he killed Damian. He said it in an interview after his death.
The issue is that Morrison was writing a grand finale to his run, but Damian and Bruce had been developing their relationship throughout Tomasi's book. For Tomasi it only made sense that Bruce go through a grieving period, but from Morrison's perspective he barely knew Damian.
It created such a huge disconnect. Does Batman actually care or does he not? Which version is the true one?
Oh yeah certainly. I really think Morrison's book should have been canon to the pre-new52 era.
Batfamilygays losing their shit over Bruce doing horrible things in canon is always great to see. Really shows they have never picked up a comic in their life and only read WFA. Also shows they have literally no reading comprehension because the whole point of this is Bruce is losing his mind and probably is literally not even himself, and Zdarsky is obviously building towards Bruce and Zur having a confrontation.
Ah, Dick losing his shit and beating up Bruce. Just like old times.
I welcome it after Taylor wiped away most of his old personality for his new fanon-to-canon heckin wholesome golden retriever "personality".
At least Taylor hasn't done irreparable damage to Dick. YET.
Nah, he's damaged Dick's canon personality by changing it to his fanon personality. With the popularity of his run, the next couple writers are probably going to use the fanon personality as well. Probably won't bring back his actual personality until one of his writers has a Devin Grayson level frick up and makes the fanbase revolt against everything the writer did, including use the fanon personality.
Dick was so butthurt about Bruce just dumping his Bruce Wayne identity back in the early 00s he chased him around the cave trying to beat his ass. Bruce didn't even do anything, Dick just felt slighted about Bruce not wanting to be Bruce anymore lol.
Well bruce had just adopted him.
Yeah, Dick just felt insulted. Him losing his shit in this issue is nothing compared to that because at least here Bruce's brain worms caused him to frick up Jason.
That was also the first time the plot was done with a wider batfamily, this is like the 5th? And the last one was done less than 5 years ago.
Yeah the batfamily cycle usually happens every 4-5 years or so.
In Batman Fugitive back in the early 00s the batfamily and especially Dick were pissed when he dumped his Bruce Wayne name and he pushed them all away.
In the mid 00s War Games did some similar shit, but wasn't as severe as Fugitive.
He was dead in the late 00s so it didn't happen then because Dick is relatively normal in comparison. Tim kinda did it to himself instead.
in the early '10s Death of the Family had him pushing the batfamily away AND them being uber pissed at Batman having told Joker his idenity years ago and not telling them this.
King's first arc was shit so I didn't read past that but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened there too.
When Zdarsky makes the batfamily make up and he's off the book, the next writer or the one after him will probably do the same thing.
The first worked, the second was a shit story but unrelated to it, the tim one was a nice twist. You could maybe justify it with the new 52 as a reboot but by then it was very overdone. King super did it, but because "muh cat".
I don't remember Dick ever losing it this badly at Bruce.
Taylor is to Dick as Zdarsky is to Saint Tim.
You aren't wrong. I really don't like Zdarsky's Tim.
They're so angry over something that's not even take and probably just give Jason a special ability.
That too. Jason will probably get a mini out of his and then he'll go back to normal within 12-18 months lol.
That's fair, as is just thinking the writing is just shit (because it is). I was mainly talking about the ones who are aghast at Bruce being horrible and calling it OOC like he hasn't been abusive in some way for almost 40 years.
It is OOC to how he had been written since king's run (which also handled this whole thing super poorly), but this is also a writer who doesn't believe that anything can be OOC.
It's also funny because Bruce is still being fricking lenient with Jason too. Literally just this week Rosenberg had Jason basically admit that he has zero faith in Selina's plan and is just waiting for the goons to mess up so he can hunt and kill them later.
Urban Legends had Zdarsky Bat being lenient with Zdarsky Dumb Muscle Jason. And that's because Zdarsky Jason basically promised to follow Bruce's rules.
Rosenberg's Jason had a lot of inner conflict, couldn't handle the pressure and limitations of being Bruce's subordinate, and left the Batfamily again because he knew he'd fail anyway. Bruce did let Jason go one time, but that was before Jason started going lethal again. (The Batfamily consistently doesn't treat zombies as human life. Also doesn't count murder if the victim is immediately resurrected, like when Bruce killed Ra's or Cass killed Shiva. So Jason followed the Batfamily no-killing rule throughout Task Force Z.)
As a Batfamily-exile, Jason resumes killing.
Zdarsky's Jason apparently never left the Batfamily, and hangs out with them, until he starts working for Selina--again Jason still isn't killing, even though he argues for its merits.
I feel like Zdarsky's Bruce is conditionally lenient for Zdarsky's Jason, but Zdarsky's Bruce hasn't confronted Rosenberg's Jason at all. It's apples and oranges.
I'm just tired of this plot being done for the 5th time with zero variation to get a lone batman again. All the impact it had prior is gone, it just feels like going trough the motions before bruce makes amends with them and we go back to one page arts of them together before the next run forces him to do this all over again, all the while 7 villains take over gotham.
Why do these people even like each other?
Sorry, Selina's plan has so little critical thinking applied to it, its hard to believe the family would choose her over Bruce.
Hey man don't even think about how teaching violent criminals how to break and enter people's houses is literally just how most serial killers are made.
As someone who enjoys Wayne Family Adventures, my problem isn't entirely with Bruce's harshness. Sure, it's a little overboard at times, especially with this run, but it's understandable.
My problem is that this shit never amounts to anything. It's always the same cycle of "BATFAMILY BROKEN, BRUCE ALONE, LE ABUSIVE BATMAN" to "Batman fixed his shit and everyone's back together again :)". I get that Batman's an butthole sometimes, what I don't like is how it doesn't do shit but just remind people that he's an butthole and nothing else.
Oh, and I want Alfred revived and Batman to be a billionaire again.
I don't even remember Death of the Family even being properly addressed. It just felt like all of a sudden everyone got along again.
Because Damian's death happened either during it or right after it
Because Damian died literally right after DITF finished and Snyder's next arc was Zero Year, which took a year to finish.
The biggest Batbooks had a mourning issue for Damian and then RHATO, Batgirl, and Nightwing ended up all doing their own stuff throughout Snyder's Zero Year (like Dick leaving Gotham and going to Chicago) and when Bruce was mentioned in any of those books it usually wasn't in a flattering manner.
Damian died and then bruce became amnesiac.
They vaguelly referenced the fact they broke up during the Hellbat Darkseid war and Bruce just went “but we all forgive eachother because Damian is more important so it’s back to normal now”
I agree.
Characters acting like morons is never good no matter how many time le old comics did it.
Its even worse when the writer believes he cant write them out of character.
It's pretty funny how Dick didn't care at all that Tim was getting beaten and was more concerned about beating Bruce for hurting Jason. Oldest siblings stand together (can their fans stop fighting now?).
>the price of being a "good loyal" son
In all seriousness, Damian is pretty bad robin for Bruce he is enabling his destructive tendency instead of stopping him.
Bruce is crazier then a fruitcake but he's undeniably right.
>I'm net letting you destroy the peace Selina made
What peace? Crime still exists and two of her goons are already dead from her plan running its coarse. They really had to drop everybody's IQ to the single digits for the conflict to happen.
I wish this event was more about this blowing up so bad in Dick's and everyone's faces that it traumatizes them to becoming strict hardliners against fraternizing with Supervillains, reformed or otherwise, to the point Batman looks like the easygoing one in contrast.
Did anything come from them discovering the security guard that Selina's gang kidnapped and beat the shit out of, or did that get ignored?
Wow thank you for reminding me because I forget all about that.
I guess kidnapping and holding a security guard hostage is not a violent crime though so it's all good.
I feel like every time I look into a Batman thread on Cinemaphile these days, it involves Batman beating the shit out of his kids.
It's unfortunately become the norm these days, but he at least got some beating himself this time.
where'd he get the grappling gun
>"I swear that I will fight against crime and corruption"
>""waaaaaahhhh nooooooo I'm not letting you do this! I"m not letting you destroy the peace that my murderer mugger criminal enabler queen Selina made!"
Someone get Dick his diaper he's being a big moronic baby again
Does he not see the hypocrisy?
One thing King did well that I'm glad is continuing, is the reintegration of Golden Age scenarios and dialogue to their backstories.
Obviously Morrison really started it, but King didn't have to keep it up after the New 52 nuked it
Again the funniest thing is that Red Hood actually agrees with Batman and was just scoping out future victims meaning it could be argued actively saved those people's lives by messing with Jason's head.
This is FRICKED up.
Really, how can anyone say Batman is a hero?
Jason unironically deserves it.
So does the Joker.
This would stop the Joker, but Batman would never do it because he wants the Joker to keep killing.
Jokerwank is too fricking powerful, even compared to Batwank. He got a face-full of Fear Toxin one time and called it "Tasty".
It's literally not worth the effort.
It's not like Batman killed anyone. What's the big deal?
>moralhomosexuals are sociopathe and ride or die with the most unhinged Batman
Batman is not the law and deprivation of liberty + modifying someone body without their consent is pretty up there as far as villainy goes. Joker was literally less cruel to Jason here.
>+ modifying someone body without their consent is pretty up there as far as villainy goes.
Bats mind-raped him.
>mind-rape
Stop operating on hentia-logic, anon. Bruce injected a drug inside Jason' body to modify/reprogram his emotions on an hormonal level. It's that heinous and it's the point. The comic isn't trying to push it as Batman doing rational shits here. Not even Zdrasky is that moronic.
Joker tortured him and beat him to death. Bruce gave him a fear of murdering people. Bruce is way nicer than Jason deserves.
>sociopathic batgay
What Bruce does is also torture, physical and menal, that Jason should experiment each day and render him unable to do pretty much anything, including healing one day. The madman actually managed to be crueler and more abusing than Joker, who is at least aware he is a piece of shit.
All Jason has to do is stop going out and killing criminals.
>sociopathe and moron with no reading comprehension
Bravo, but no. All Jason has to do is never have an adrenaline rush. Everytime he does, he experiences paralizing fear thanks to Bruce.
Never have an extreme adrenaline rush akin to crime-fighting.
And good. Would he rather have that or get given the lethal injection? Bruce is showing him more mercy than be deserves.
> sociopathe edgelord talking about mercy.
That's rich.
>lethal injection
Death penalty isn't a thing in Gotham, moron. And yes, death or prison would be more mercifull than what Bruce did here. The former would be over quick, the later would be less dezhumanizing and life-debilating. What Batman did is not something even prison do in the West, or not officially anyway.
Adrenaline is needed for survival or pleasure. It's torture, it's deprivation of liberty and agency, it's thinking you are the law.
>controversy
What controversy? It's just capeshit and it won't have any pay off. Anon is just being a moronic simp on Cinemaphile.
>Death penalty isn't a thing in Gotham, moron.
Source? There have been dozens of Batman stories with the death penalty. Batman even actively stopped the Joker from being executed in Devil's Advocate.
>Death penalty isn't a thing in Gotham
You’re a manbaby moron and just proved you don’t know fricking anything about the shit you’re spewing about.
Joker almost got the death penalty in an entire event called Devil’s Advocate. Ventriloquist’s doll is possessed by the souls of people executed in Blackgate. Punchline literally almost got the death penalty, as you can read out loud in image related. Gotham has a death penalty.
You’re an adult baby crying about shit you know nothing about. Fricking embarassing.
>Gotham has a death penalty.
Well my bad. Justice is too inefficient here or not as powerful as Batman's autism to go there, anyway so it may as well not be a thing but comics are more moronic than I though. Death penalty would still be better than what Bruce did, however.
then Jason is welcome to turn himself in and get the justice he deserves for all the innocents he has killed.
>the innocents he has killed.
Such as?
The 82 inmates in blackgate he poisoned to death who were peacefully serving out their sentences.
>go to regular prison for 3 months on jaywalking charge
>get murdered 2 months in by Batman’s seething edgelord son
What a world
Why hasn’t the J-man killed Joker yet?
Joker is right beside Batman in being DC's golden goose, so even if Jason did pop his head like a zit and it was 100% confirmed that it was the Joker and not some body double or some lame shit like that, he'd be back next week.
Can someone explain to me the whole 3 Jokers nonsense?
You mean ginger Jason who was a huge retcon to begin with by Morrison and doesn't exist anymore?
>peacefully serving out their sentences
Hu-huh. Exemplary prison then.
Everything exists and everything is canon according to Jasongays and Infinite Frontier.
And blackgate is where they send all their non-crazy criminals. Jason poisoned everyone there but luckily the medical staff managed to save the rest from Jason’s stupid edgy insanity.
>according to Jasongays
The one who live in your head rent-free? It's DC who came up with this direction. Two contradictory things can't however exist at once. It's basic logic and the only limit of the "everything is canon".
"What if Joker was not just one guy all along." It's you're average Joker story but written by a fanboy trying to merge multiple canons in hope his version will be the "definitive".
>Jasongays
not this shit again, I remember the storytime from a couple of weeks ago
It seems to be a particular one guy who is obsessed with the idea of Jason getting a death sentence and keep bringing it up almost all the time while pretending that the Joker is some kind of hero.
Joker has unironically saved more people just by defeating The Batman who Laughs than Jason the edgy cuck has by killing innocents. Goes to show why Batman is a real hero and Jason is not, because Jason is too cowardly to admit his way has been proven wrong and that Jason was wrong and Bruce was right.
>82 inmates in blackgate
>Innocents
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yes. especially since they were sitting out the sentence that the court of law decided for them. Seethe and Cry about it more, cuck
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DID THE JUDGE CALL THEM INNOCENTS TOO? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>innocents
Name one.
I named 82.
>Batman's plan for Jason Todd backfires...but in a good way? The Red Hood prepares for the final battle of the Gotham War...but what will he have left when the dust settles?!
I feel this renders the whole controversy moot.
>What Bruce does is also torture
It’s not. Jason can avoid any fear by just not doing crimefighting anymore. If Jason feels any fear it is self-inflicted because he purposefully exposes himself to fear instead of avoiding it and living a normal life as Batman described would never set it off. Batman’s not to fault for punching Jason in the face whenever he levels a gun at somebody, this is an automatic punch button.
He said himself that Jason should be in prison in a just world.
Bruce is being too nice to Jason if anything. He created scifi technology just to spare Jason facing real consequences for his heinous evil actions.
This is just gonna be a powerup for Jason, a berserker rage mode.
EZ. Jason makes people die, Batman make people not die. Simple as.
So why has he never done this to the Joker?
they did quite a few times and it never worked. Martian Manhunter tried, Spectre tried, Superman tried. Never sticks.
Joker is the problem. Jason is the complainer. If there is no complainer then there is no problem. Logic!
Bruce is utterly ashamed of Jason and regrets taking him in. He explicitly admitted that he adopted Jason in the first place as 1) a convenient placeholder for Dick, the son that he actually loved and lost, and 2) a proof-of-concept that Crime Alley trash can be upcycled a là My Fair Lady. Project Jason was a failure on both counts.
Almost every time he says something nice about Jason, he's talking about Jason's potential to be made into something else. Go back and read the comics. Yeah Bruce is possessed by Zur right now, but he's still repeating his 40-years-old spiel about how Jason is a project to be fixed.
Bruce would love to lock up Jason, but Jason would just murder other inmates and escape. Bruce does not love Jason, he does not want to be his dad. Bruce uses family and love as bait to get Jason to behave. Bruce pretends family and love for Jason because everyone expects him to (especially noticeable when Alfred basically needs to remind Bruce to act as if hecs a father). Jason is something that is Bruce's fault, so Bruce is just stuck with him like a ball and chain.
Jason Todd is the #1 stain on Batdad's reputation. There is no salvaging the character, Jason just needs to be wiped out of existence and forgotten. Or just get him out of Gotham and make him retire to Nebraska. He makes Batman depressing instead of heroic.
Jason is based and he should have gone through with his original plan of just killing all the city's criminals and ruling what was left of the drug, sex, and weapons trade. Frick ~~*Batman*~~
Worse still is that would just be antagonising him.
Like if Jason ever gets over his conditioning he'll maybe go back to low level crimefighting. If Joker gets over it he's gonna flood the streets with blood to make up for lost time.
it's batman's split personality talking
Nah, this definitely Bruce talking. Zur wouldn't say "I love you" and "I'm sorry" nor he would have called Jason by hid name or removed his mask.
wow just wow
Why doesn't Batman do that with his rogues gallery?
Yeah, if you have a mindrape machine I'd assume the literal first target you use it on is the Joke Man, not somebody on your own team.
Joke Man would be immune, he got mindbroken like that by The Spectre once and another time by the Lazarus Pit and another time when he received everyone's insanity after Emperor Joker and each time he was just fine the next day he's too crazy for it to work
Man like I always said, Jason is 100% the favorite son. He gets so much slack for his frickups.
>I love you
>Jason, I love you
I always said that Bruce has a soft spot for Jason (and probably his favorite).
You think? What pushed Batman over the edge and made him decide to do this in the first place is him being afraid of losing Jason
This page seems pretty relevant to what's going on right now.
I always find it weird that some people insist that Batman doesn't care about or love Jason.
> autism
Saying "I love you/I'm doing this for you" while you hurt someone is basic abusers MO.
>The court decides not arkham
What court? Batman comics never bother with that side of justice since it's not about capes and would dig a hole into the whole power fantasy about these super cops.
> proof aquired illegaly through dubious ways
> testimonies based on the faith of criminals who hide their identity to Justice
What Bruce did is pretty messed up, but I can see where he is coming from. We already had a story about Bruce's greatest wish and happiness which was about Jason leaving Red Hood behind and having a normal life.
Tho, seeing someone as fearless as Jason end up being like this is quite tragic and sad.
At least Bruce is doing it out of his love for him, but he certainly messed up big time and there's should be consequences for this.
Not the same thing. Batman's got a brainworm fricking with him while he does this, whereas Zatanna was 100% of clear mind when doing this to him.
What the actual frick?
Mhm nothing hits like a casual brainwashing
This is the first time that Bruce says "I love you" to Jason ever in the history of comics!
Omg Batfamily moment!!!
He said these words about Jason many times before, but yeah. This is the first time he said it to Jason directly.
I'm admittedly a bit confused. Did Batman come up suddenly with this plan? Or was it something he always considered it? When did he have a time to set up a place in Metropolis for him?
He might have considered it in case Jason went too far someday, but I don't think he ever imagined using it on Jason like this. He always hoped for Jason to have a normal life away from crime fighting, though.
>have the ability to mind-rape criminals into being too afraid to commit crimes
>doesn't use it on the Joker to calm his ass down
Bruce should have used this on his clown boyfriend to make him into a docile wiener sleeve.
Joker would have enjoyed it.
Make it so Joker feels pleasure when he doesn't kill and have Batman say a codeword that makes Joker orgasm on the spot, this will literally stop him from committing crimes. He'll be too blissed out on Batman being happy with him to murder people.
The big joke would be is that it doesn't affect him all that much, except for the code-worded orgasms, but Joker gets Batman's full attention/time and that's been what he's been wanting.
You aren't wrong, but I think Batman see it (in his own twisted mind) as a scot free card he would only give it to Jason. He doesn't want the joker to have a normal happy life.
Eh, Joker will never be granted any normal and happy life because in meta terms, Joker is too popular as "The Joker" to ever be anything but that character. Sure, you might get an Elseworlds story of the Joker being a "good person", but he'll always be the guy chasing after the "Batman, but evil" character too and it consume him just like it consume Bruce Wayne's life too. Even in Superheavy, where Endgame Joker got to be a normal person, he was suicidal to a certain extent and knew subconsciously that once the real Batman came back, he'd become what he once was.
You keep mentioning out of universe reasons to explain the obvious. I simply give an explanation in-universe for why Batman wouldn't do that the joker because he doesn't want him to have a normal life. He simply giving a "privilege" to Jason he wouldn't give to anyone else.
So, how did Vandal get better from the lava bath Lex made him take?
multiverse reset? dont think too hard about it
he climbed out before the damage was bad enough he couldn't regenerate. he has a healing factor that's speed up by cannibalism.
Jiminez art fell off, doesn't look good anymore
man would be based if one of selinas crew stole some sentimental last reminder of a widowers dead wife, like her ring, and he kills himself a week later because of that
>Another Bruce vs Dick story
Oh boy.
Why are they acting like Catwoman has done something good?
All she did was making it so Criminals rule the city; Why the frick is dick actually trying to argue this is good?
Because Tini Howard said so.
YASS QUEEN SLAY!
Yeah it's moronic as shit and I feel like it's really unnecessary. Batman going off the deepend should be enough for the batkids to fight him you don't need some weird Catwoman crimeboss plot.
Because the writers are moronic
remember when people said zdarsky was good?
Shills did. Stop believing any positive reactions to comics made after rebirth
Not saying this issue was good but wondering the last time you ever enjoyed something
Tec is decent.
Super sons
Don’t larp as me loser. Chen is just as bad as abarnathy and kaminski. Ram V puts me to sleep.
Better than chippy.
I don’t really discern between two things that aren’t worth reading
Zdarsky is the most shilled homosexual here
Why did they think this event was a good idea? Why did they decide to write it in the most moronic way possible?
Like the above writer said, they could have easily done a plot about Bruce going off the deep end demanding to go solo and fighting both crooks and family.
Instead there is this weird subtext that with the current coverage of all the smash and grabs in America seems really fricking tonedeaf.
those are all good smash and grabs anon because they were done by po' basketball americans who don't get nuffin and it's actually our fault for not giving them more gibbs
#SelinawasRight
It really does feel like that. The irony every single person I have seen praising shit like this seems to get really buttmad at Piracy.
>tfw black
>Don't understand why white liberals on twitter are so happy encouraging other homies to steal and loot and pillage as if they're ever going after rich whites, when really they're just going after ME
>Trusting white liberals
There's your problem they're a different breed of racist than their less liberal counterparts but they think of you just as less
I just don't think there's much appetite in the fandom for a "Batman and the family have a violent breakup" storyline at the moment, and even less so when the writers have ham for hands.
Another Abernathy edited masterclass.
>AYO MISTA WAYNE. MY ORGANIZAY-SHUNN AND I AGREE YOU AINT DOON ENUFF FOR DIS CITY. YOU A PRIVLEDGED WHYTE BOI WITH LOTTA MUNNY, I JUS THINK YOU SHOULD BE GIBSING ME SOME OF DAT, YA KNOW WHAT IM SAYYIN? DONATE TO BLACK LIVES MATTER AND GEORGE FLOYD FOUNDATION, BCUZ U AINT DOON NUFFIN FOR DIS CITY LIKE STRAIGHT UP FR FR WE GOT LIKE POVERTY N SHIT GIBS ME SOME OF THAT YA FEEL?
THE BATBOX
Why did DC hire these Marvel rejects to helm their flagship character?
dc always copies marvel a decade too late. they pick up the talents that marvel is tossing out and then mold dc into a poor mans last generation marvel. it's been like this for 50 years.
So schizo bruce is gonna "kill" joker soon according solicits right?
maybe. I don't really buy it though idk they'd market it better if it was actually meant to be such a climatic thing sounds 100% like a fakeout
We're technically still dealing with the aftermath of the last time the Joker died.
Didn't Marvel do this with Daredevil a year or two ago?
Similar and by the same writer too
>Daredevil gets sent to jail for killing a criminal
>Shenanigans ensue and he's out
>Decides to become a redeeming Catholic ninja
>Stages a prison break and kidnaps a bunch of villains
>Spends weeks trying to convince the villains to use their powers to enact actual change in the world and fight for the powerless
>First order of business is bringing down the Hand
>It fricking works but the other heroes don't like it and try and put a stop to him
It was dumb but it would have been a little better if the Hand/Fist war Zardusky was setting up actually happened instead of Jason Aaron being a b***h and snubbing him to write the definitive "frick you" end to the Punisher despite the fact that Garth Ennis already did that almost twenty years ago
Comic bad
Though I'm slightly amused by how they're trying to balance the scales of this conflict by making both sides absolutely fricktarded so that nobody ends up looking good in the end
this event is really bad
like really bad
I guess the good news is that after shitting up catwoman for 2 years everyone else finally knows how terrible tini howard is.
you're in bad luck if you think this will result in less catwoman after this she's taking over the books and getting her own arc going abroad doing "criminal heroism" or some shit
>if you think this will result in less catwoman after this she's taking over the books
???
tini howard has the catwoman book for 9 months unless the dumb fricks at DC finally kick her out, but this is the same as always. she's not "taking over the books."
If anything her book was the one that got taken over.
how? both her and zdarsky brainstormed this abomination of an event together.
They didn't brainstorm shit together anon, a fricking blind man could see that. Chip does one thing while Tina does the exact opposite.
just because they're untalented morons doesn't mean they didn't come up with this idea together.
Based on the differences in takes I'm seeing between Tini and Chip I doubt it.
well when all 3 writers of the event have a poor understanding of these characters and their voices that's not surprising
But that just proves my point that there's no way this way brainstormed together by these three writers if they're conflicting each other this bad.
Honestly tho? This looks more like the work of Chip.
they're both awful but she'll get more heat than usual which is good in my book.
tired of melodrama
tired of bruce being an unheroic jobber
>BatZur and Spiderkek in less than 1 week
I can't wait for ASM 35 and NYCC
>stopped reading mainline comics after Superboy Prime destroyed Batman Who Giggles
>remain in a permanent headcanon that everything in comic canon is "Status Quo" and there's no more contrived drama
You should try it, anons.
have a nice day homosexual. Johns sucks and that was a middle finger to you loser, not a love note. It’s genuinely pathetic people still shill this meme that it was a “proper ending”.
>does away with arguably the worst thing to happen in DC in the past 5 years
>gives Superboy Prime a good ending
>"J-Johns was spiting you!!!!"
If that's true then it didn't register with me and never will.
Death Of the Author, homosexual.
>story says in no unclear terms: go touch grass you fricking loser and stop complaining that we make everything gay and awful now
>anon says thanks what a great ending I totally go and touch grass every day now and I’m better for it
I don’t believe for a second anyone that ever said that was a good issue is anything but a paid shill.
So, isn't DC digging themselves into a big hole here? I don't really mind Batman going crazy, but are they actually willing to deal with the fall out of this? Batman really crossed the line here
>Batman really crossed the line here
Did he tho?
Well, yeah. What he did to Jason here is crossing the line.
NTA but this feels really tame compared to other stuff Batman did.
>noooooo you can't just take away my bloodlust noooooo
Due to his actions in certain events, Batman caused the death of so many innocent people. So, yeah. This isn't exactly the worst thing he did. Still, doing this to a loved one would/should have a consequence on him.
>Due to his actions in certain events, Batman caused the death of so many innocent people
It's funny how battards always forget (or trying to pretend that they forget) about this. Whatever Jason did, is really nothing compared to the devastation Batman caused.
Murder is inexcusable. Jason is the villain and a failed robin.
>Murder is inexcusable
Batman should arrest her. And Batwoman too. And Catwoman and Talia.
Because DC themselves keep glossing about this. Since "everything is canon" is DC approach these days, they actually unknowingly opened a can of worms that has to do with Batman actually murdering people in pre-crisis. He actually even admitted to Robin Jason that he did kill.
>He actually even admitted to Robin Jason that he did kill
Well, this explains a lot.
Everything is canon has not been used for pre-crisis stuff so far.
It actually did. There has been references to stories from pre-crisis.
Not a single one in a batbook (and no references to how Morrison reinterpreted those like zur being a split personality instead of an actual alien doesn't count).
The battle custody of Jason in pre-crisis has been referred.
Where?
One of Williamson's books. Don't remember which one.
When? How?
Eh kinda. Bruce stressed the distinction between self-defense and murder.
>"Of COURSE killing is completely justified for self-defense, Jay! You'd need to be REALLY UNREASONABLE to think otherwise!"
I guess the difference between this depiction of a more reasonable and level-headed Batman with his approach to lethal force and the most well-known depictions of him in modern times is that he'd go through significant lengths to avoid the loss of life if possible, but wouldn't stress too much if a villain or a couple of thugs bit it doing something that got themselves killed. Compare this to the modern mindset that he's a massive sperg that equates all life as being precious, who would take suicidal pains to make sure nobody, not even supervillains with hundreds to thousands of bodies to their name, dies if he can help it, even if they brought it upon themselves and the world, hell, the fricking universe, would be better off without them.
Nobody that is reasonable is saying that Batman should be killing people left and right but stop making him look like a simpering idiot that foolishly equates the life of the Joker to that of a toddler that the fricker just gassed, it just makes him look culpable for the shit his supervillains get away with at this point.
>equates the life of the Joker to that of a toddler that the fricker just gassed
This is fricking true. No murder is justified and all life is sacred.
>all life is sacred.
You're trolling, but in case someone is stupid enough to believe you, no, it isn't.
It factually is, cope. Everyone has a right to live.
>Everyone has a right to live.
Nope.
I can't help but notice how everyone shilling for Chip's slop has some sort of bone to pick with Batman as a character and his fans.
>talking about facts means that you are a shill and hate Batman!
What "facts"? All you did was say Batman's worse than Jason in terms of deaths without any elaboration.
Explain how. Now. Give five examples.
>inb4 letting villains go to/break out of Arkham
Doesn't count, that's the Government's turf.
Brother Eye and Metal.
It's seriously silly how he actually faced zero consequences for what he did in metal. He really deserved to be arrested for that.
>Brother Eye
Zatanna's fault for dealing with Batman's knowledge of Rapist Light in the most moronic way imaginable. Basically gave him every single excuse to distrust his peers.
>Metal
He did a lot wrong yeah but is it really his "fault". You can't really fight prophecy.
Ok but why did he have to build the satellite with the power to create OMACs that part just seems unnecessary
>Zatanna's fault for dealing with Batman's knowledge of Rapist Light in the most moronic way imaginable. Basically gave him every single excuse to distrust his peers.
Funny how he is repeating the same mistake with Jason right now.
Again, not the same. Zatanna 100% knew what she was doing and how bad it was meanwhile Batman's got a brainworm fricking with him.
Without the brainworm, Batman would've offered to hardwire Jason's brain before putting it in him. Still would be a fricked up thing to offer, but at least he'd ask first.
>Jason is literally a mass murderer and if turned into the authorities would be in jail until the day he dies, if not given the death penalty
>no it’s going too far to give Jason a phobia of committing murder
If anything this revolutionary new correction should be applied to every villain in all of DC, immediately.
Ah yes, this is totally the writer who would've fixed Spider-Man according to his shills here.
In Chip's defense, he's not the first writer with a generally decent rep to frick up hard with Batman.
I don’t feel like making a new thread to ask this question so since this is a Batman thread I will ask here
What is the public’s perception of Dick or what does Dick do to give people different impressions of him?
Like Bruce is a dumb playboy billionaire to the public.
I don't think he has much of persona? He pretty much kept a low profile (except in his current run I guess where he suddenly became a billionaire just because).
I feel like there have been a few throwaway lines that write him off as a spoiled trust fund baby. Which is more of a misconception than an image he curates himself.
Writers never really go too far into it, but trust fund baby who's just there is the most common with Dick not really doing anything in particular to make impressions.
Back in New Titans era there was a Nightwing/Dick Grayson rivalry where Wolfman had Dick and Kory stage a public breakup (as Nightwing) and then had Nightwing punch Dick in public for dating Kory after, as an identity protection kinda thing (because Dick wore disguises prior while going out with her, making it seem like she dated around). But I don't remember him going too far into the "son of billionaire dates hot alien model" thing.
I think Dixon's run had some people on the police force questioning why a trust fund baby was in their shitty city and getting a job there.
I know Devin Grayson's run had a reporter ask people had his apartment what they thought of him (just a nice guy) because she was also suspicious of what a son of a billionaire was doing with a blue collar job and living at an apartment.
And Andreyko's Manhunter had a joke that Dick is the Paris Hilton of Gotham.
Taylor is the only one who really bucked the trend by having Dick be more tryhard and having him give people the impression of billionaire philanthropist.
Joker emphasizes everything wrong with cape comics.
He can never receive any satisfying comeuppance because muh status quo, basically mollycoddled by the editorial.
He always has to be wanked to ridiculous levels because he's so iconic and best-selling, making other villains redundant in the process. Who cares what Penguin or Two-Face are doing? Look, it's Joker again you love Joker, right?
I do love Joker, yes.
I also love how much you seethe at him.
Congratulations, all you've gotten out of my post is "u mad", that makes you a perfect audience for DC.
I don’t care that you’re crying at Joker not getting “comeuppance” because you seethe at him. I don’t care that you’re crying over Joker being “wanked” as if being threatening isn’t a villain’s job. I don’t care that you’re crying that Joker is more important a villain to fricking Batman than whoever else, because he always has been. Suck a dick because that is all I got out of yo it shitty crybaby-fest.
>all that fanboy seething
Anyone else would've posted a crying wojack at you, you're lucky I consider myself a better person than that.
>y-you’re lucky I didn’t post a wojak then you’d be sorry!
LMAO!
>he's still seething because someone pointed out the problem
LMAO, the absolute state of DCucks. Gonna cry all thread, little b***h?
>crybaby marvelgay seethes rent free at DC villains being cooler than spidercuck and is now crying at DC as a whole
You’re still yet to refute anything, now just mimicking my superior mannerisms because you literally thought you sound cool “threatening” to be a wojak cuck
You have nothing to "refute", moron.
All you offer is infantile seething because someone pointed out the problem with a character you're childishly attached to. Literally all you deserve is mockery.
>it’s a problem that this character is painted as threatening and “wanked”
It’s not a problem at all, as I pointed out.
Characters need to be threatening, especially the main villains. The only people who cry like adult babies about villains getting “wanked” are jealous and seething that other lamer villains aren’t as popular for it instead. The fact Joker gets wins over Batman despite being sent back to jail is one of his biggest character appeals which has translated to bestselling series like The Dark Knight and the Arkham Games, making it your interest of seething at Joker being objectively cooler than your faves vs DC’s interest of preserving their best villain’s legacy.
No one cares what you "pointed out" in your moronic fanboy rage. All it was is you crying because someone insulted your shitty toy.
Only a literal fricking child would ever think that wanking a character to ludicrous degree is how one makes a villain threatening. But I guess, that's expected from DC's perfect audiences to enjoy shitty writing and moronic degrees of plot armor.
>The only people who cry like adult babies
Project harder.
>The fact Joker gets wins over Batman despite being sent back to jail is one of his biggest character appeals
You mean, Arkham games where Joker actually died? You mean The Dark Knight which had the next movie people get over Joker's moronic "Harvey Dent's downfall will break everyone" and fight against Bane forces?
And sure, let's conveniently ignore 1989 Batman movie and BTAS where Joker clearly lost to push your fricktarded narrative of "Batman being an inept hero is a good thing". Or how in The Killing Joke (without which your precious The Dark Knight wouldn't have existed in the first place) "muh one bad day" was completely destroyed and proven to be nothing more a hokey excuse for a delusional sociopath to be a delusional sociopath.
Yet the only one crying here is you, interesting.
>bringing up Spidergays out of nowhere
Lmao, they must've buckbroken you well.
You won’t actually be able to refute any of this though, maybe if I’m lucky you’ll cry again about how you’ll post a wojak if I keep bullying you for being a spidercuck lmao
No, Catwoman, teaching criminals to be "better" criminals just makes Gotham shittier in a different way, also, you're still a mega felon who should be behind bars. No, Batman, your crazy control-freak tendencies can't even secure a single fricking asylum, and your hardon for the no-kill rule has ironically gotten more people killed than it's saved.
Who are you supposed to even side with for this event? Everybody is (more) moronic.
I think the """"""point"""""" Chip is trying to make with this arc is that everyone's at fault. Selina's hopped up on idealism that's gonna crumble the moment the villains have a good idea or Joker makes his comeback, Batman keeps giving that Zur c**t control of anything, and the Batfamily is responding to all of this in the worst possibly ways.
It's a garbage point, but there it is.
I really hate dc
This is a Batman thread. If you want to talk about Jesse Quick maybe you should make a Flash thread.
I guess I should be grateful Bette is at least working to put Titans West together again.
Dear lord don't tell me Tom Taylor started paying attention to her.
Why doesn’t Batman just beat his goddamn kids already?
Batman should snap Dick’s neck for aiding criminals and fighting him to stop him fighting criminals
Joker saved the multiverse from The Batman who Laughs therefore we should let him kill a couple thousand people in Gotham if he wants.
That’s how stupid you guys sounds saying Joker should not be saved because he might kill again later. Yeah well he might save again later too, let’s count numbers instead of just doing the right thing.
This legit the weirdest argument I have seen to defend the joker.
It’s a fact. If Batman had killed Joker in Under the Hood then The Batman who Laughs would have succeeded and destroyed the multiverse in Death Metal.
The soulless Utalitarian argument is stupid because even by that logic keeping Joker alive is more beneficial than dead. End of the day murder is wrong and Batman is a hero. Nothing good comes out of senseless murder.
If Batman actually killed him in the first place, batman who kek wouldn't have existed in the first place, smarty.
The Batman who Laughs is what Bruce would turn into if he killed: a soulless unstoppable murderous monster with no rules because nothing is sacred anymore. Then he would torture Jason to death not just mollycoddle Jason like he does now
It's pretty hypocrite too. Jason saved so many lives and didn't kill a single innocent person, but the people who are arguing about why the Joker deserves to live are the same people who are calling for Jason to be killed for what he did.
All the people he killed were innocent of any excuse to be murdered. They deserves to be tried and serve out their prison sentence not beheaded by an edgy teen. Jason even poisoned behacing prisoners peacefully serving their sentence in the DickBat saga. Jason legit deserves the death penalty.
>Jason legit deserves the death penalty
The lack of self awareness is amazing.
Cope, no argument
The Joker is legally insane
If Joker's actions can be excused because he is "insane", then Jason can use this card too since the guy who was tortured and murdered and had to dig himself out of his grave isn't exactly mentally sound.
Jason is canonically legally sane that’s why he was sent to blackgate for his crimes and not Arkham. If he were ever rearrested after the mass poisoning he pulled in blackgate he would legally receive the death penalty for it.
Yeah, because Arkham is the beat to judge that.
Also.
>TONY DANIEL: "Jason was always a little bit more on the reckless, daring side, and he obviously has a screw loose after coming back from the Lazarus Pit. When you do come back from the Lazarus Pit, you're not one hundred percent right in the head, and Jason really wasn't all that right in the head to begin with."
Case closed. Jason got his free card.
The court decides not arkham. And being unhinged is different to being legally insane, Jason is canonically legally sane and deserves the death penalty which he would get if Bryce wasn’t so nice and lenient with him.
Stop arguing, dude. You are already lost.
No moron you “lost”. Read the Batdick arc, Jason is canonically legally sane as decided by a legal court of law and goes to blackgate.
>legal court of law
Yeah, because Gotham's court is quite trust worthy. It's not like the whole point of Batman is that city is pretty corrupted. Take the L and move on.
>coping
Desperate I see.
The whole point of The Long Halloween and Dark Victory is that the corruption has been seeded out. The crime families are no more, they have all been killed off and usurped by supervillains who don’t care about the courts they only care about Batman. Jason is legally sane. Cope and Cry, cuck.
>The whole point of The Long Halloween and Dark Victory is that the corruption has been seeded out
>Gotham
>the corruption has been seeded out
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Yes, which you don’t know since you don’t read the comics. Joker literally killed the crime families himself in Rebirth and now Penguin took over (and Penguin also gets sent to Arkham when he’s naughty)
>killing organized crime families gets rid of state corruption
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Batman dealt with the state corruption all the way back in Year One
>*more of your vague blubbering without citing any actual issues*
The Gotham Court system has been clean since. You can read Joker’s court cases in both Devil’s Advocate and Gotham Confidential (which you never read). He gets sent to Arkham by a reluctant but fair judge, never a corrupt one.
>Batman dealt with the state corruption all the way back in Year One
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>The Gotham Court system has been clean since.
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>*more of your vague blubbering without citing any actual issues*
Thank you for proving me right, blubbering dicklet
>and Jason really wasn't all that right in the head to begin with
Man I fricking hate the "Jason was always an butthole" slander. Reading any pre-death Jason stories disproves this.
I think he is trying to say that his life in the streets already had impact on his mentality, not that he was always jerk.
He didn't seem THAT bad. A little more impulsive than Dick but nothing to be concerned about.
I honestly don't know if these people legit think Jason is worse than the joker or just arguing for the sake of arguing. This admittedly messed up.
Jason Todd
>grand larceny
>kills rapist
>kills assassin teachers
>kills no-name thugs (who otherwise were going to continue thugging around OR rot in terrible Gotham prisons getting raped and/or tortured by the Joker for the rest of their lives)
>kills Nazi
>arson
>torture
>corpse abuse including beheading
>crime lord (better alternative to incumbent crime lord Black Mask)
>a few incidents of psychologically tormenting father
>impersonation
>attempted cannibalism (tentacle monster)
>kidnapping
>shot child soldier (no lasting damage)
>hideous fashion crimes
>tresspassing
Batman
-Brother Eye/OMAC ("whoopsie! didn't mean for my WMDs to get hacked! security breach not my fault!")
-Tower of Babel ("whoopsie! didn't mean for my elaborate torture plans that I created to get hacked! security breach not my fault!")
-War Games ("whoopsie! my gang war plans" etc etc)
-Failsafe ("whoopsie!" etc etc)
-Metal
-DotF
-emotional and physical child abuse/child soldiers (lasting reprecussions, lifelong mental trauma explored several times, directly results in multiple child deaths)
-tried to foist Damian back to the abusive al Ghuls
-drugged his girlfriends
-saves Joker (multiple occasions)
Jason is more openly a monster, but Batman's whoopsies have more casualties by several orders of magnitude. It's kind of a toss-up.
Jason canonically tried to murder Dick, Tim and Damian
He also was happy when Bludhaven got bombed and joked to Bruce that Dick was probably dead, and then beat up Tim at Titans Tower.
I can’t rven comprehend why any morons would think Jason is “right” about anything.
HE. IS. A. VILLAIN!!!.
Are you Ok anon? It sounds like you're having a mental breakdown over a character you don't like
Speaking of "all the other villains are lame" is a self-fulfilling prophecy anyway. The issue is Joker gets all the spoils because everyone makes a big deal out of him which increases his chances of getting better stories and writers. Any other big leagues Batman villain has as much potential to get his own TKJ.
Harvey Dent was a better character than Joker in The Dark Knight, just FYI. People praise Ledger's performance first and foremost rather than his character which was nothing to write home about.
I’d have thought Harvey were a better character if he had more buildup. Maybe in Begins. As it stands it seemed like he was just moronicly overreacting because his short-term ugly gf got knocked and so now Gordon’s little kid’s gotta die so it’s even.
UNI, I think that one scene where Harvey threatens Joker's henchman but it turns out to be a bluff was a miss on Nolan's part. Should've been played straight to establish that Harvey has some issues under the "white knight of Gotham" persona which would've worsened after his mental state deteriorates due to a combination of Rachel's loss and the physical damage he received. Nolan shouldn't have made him too much of a good guy.
In the novel they give him a really fricked up backstory how his parents double-suicided as a kid or whatever and other stuff how he’s unhinged, but none of that was in the original movie he just literally goes crazy because Joker killed the ugliest woman to ever exist maggie gyllenhall who Harvey knew for like 6 months canon
I need to get to reading it one day, heard that Joker is more unpredictable than he is in the movie as well.
Fact: by defeating The Batman who Laughs in combat The Joker has saved more innocents than Jason ever will. The Joker is literally a better sidekick to Batman than Jason the edgycuck is.
Do I have to read Batkek to get this?
No.
This whole arc reminds me of this classic
a modern day Hamlet
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO GIVE THE MASS MURDERER A HARMLESS FEAR OF KILLING PEOPLE
dick is such a joke this arc proves his own dick is tiny
God thing batman didn't say when he tries to murder then huh.
Batman never tries to murder, that’s why he is a hero and Jason is not.
How can you miss the point of that anon so badly?
Smarty, Batman is giving Jason a crippling fear of being in dangerous situations, not fear of attempting murder. He is trying to protect him from endangering his life in pretty twisted way that would actually ruin his life if he didn't find a way to overcome it.
>Batman is giving Jason a crippling fear of being in dangerous situations
Because Jason has been using that to murder people. Be glad Bruce didn’t just turn him into the authorities and let Jason get the lethal injection.
>Because Jason has been using that to murder people
Yeah, because he was totally going to kill her here
if it wasn't for Batman's "genius" plan.
She’s working with Jason there idiot. She’s literally recruiting him.
>Jason murders murderers because the authorities (including Batman) don't murder the murderers.
>Murdering murderers is wrong.
>Batman is good because he's against all murder.
>Jason is bad because he is a murderer.
>Jason is lucky that Batman doesn't actively send him to be murdered for being a murderer who murders murderers because those murderers ought to have been murdered but weren't because the authorities don't murder murderers.
Why doesn’t Batman kill The Jason?
Instead of mindraping Jason Batman should teach Jason what it means to be a true hero
Can't teach what you don't know.
When was the last time that Jason killed someone? I remember some people were whining that Jason doesn't act as anti hero anymore.
He’s back on killing again recently
In Cheer (which was couple of years ago). It was just one scumbag and Jason felt so badly about it that he decided to give up his guns. He already stopped half through n52.
No, he didn't.
Long time ago. He is currently chasing the joker, though
He shanked Killer Moth recently.
He isn't dead actually. Your page even show this.
He's bleeding. Still anti-heroish of Jason.
From his hand.
And please, Batman has done the same thing. Like master, like student.
Forget Pic.
Watch bruce maiming dick or crippling barbara again
Or he breaking selina since joker war will end with him dying again alongside the joker so they can reset him and remove the DKR hand he got by dumping him into the lazarus pit
I don't think they will play a big role after this issue. The main players of this event are Bruce, Selina and Jason.
How many wars have been there in Gotham over the past decade?
Batman is too nice to his shitty ungrateful kids. Should have let them all get arrested and gone full-time Batman if this is the thanks he gets.
Batman is that crazy grandpa with outdated rants, that needs to be put down by his kids!
“I WON’T LET YOU DESTROY THE PEACE SELINA CREATED!!!”
- dick the gay
So why again do the super-rich Batfamily, who are all super rich with their own funds even though Bruce became bankrupt, think it’s a more logical solution to employ people as muggers than use their endless wealth to set up a bursary for people seeking genuine employment? Or lobby for the creation of some such financial aid?
They tried that already.
It didn’t change Gotham’s crime rate at all.
Selina’a plan significantly did though.
>They tried that already
When?
>Selina’a plan significantly did though.
They're keep telling us that but keep showing the opposite.
Why not just set these former henchmen up with job training and offer to relocate them with clean records if they prove their willingness to reform?
I simply don't care that Jason kills people. In fact I think it's based
On the other hand, mindraped vulnerable mental wreck Jason is hot as frick so I accept it
Batman is the worst superhero of all time.
Batchad is the BEST superhero OF ALL TIME.
Mental illnessu
Batman should have beaten the shit out of dick and thrown him in a cell for helping Catwoman
>n-n-n-n-nuuuuuuuuu Jason totally doesn't still kill people!!!
- you illiterate morons
Batman was justified and frankly Jason deserves the death penalty.
>Jason becomes a Mortal Kombat ninja
>Tim becomes a fey little wienersucker
JasonChads... we just keep winning.
>illiterate
Quite ironic. Jason wouldn't mind killing someone if they truly pushed him, but he hardly kills anymore and he was obviously scaring them here.
Also, I have serious question for you. What's up with your weird obsessive hatred of Jason? You do know he is a fictional character, right?
"hardly" isn't enough, and he's been killing in his own series and killing in spinoff series and has been trying to kill Joker both in the Catwoman series, this arc and in The Man Who Stopped Laughing.
Killing anyone should get you a death sentence. Jason has killed, does kill and is killing in the present. Batman did nothing wrong by stopping his shitty moron son from committing murder,
Which series? Jason didn't kill anyone in his rebirth series. Unless you mean the gang when he started wearing his mortal combat costume? It doesn't show that he killed them.
>spin off
I'm not sure what are you talking about here.
>trying to kill Joker
Which is within his right. Jason is his victim and he has every to demand his justice and take it from him. An eye for an eye. (Don't try to argue against this and make yourself look like a fool)
The only recent confirmed kill he had was in UL which was couple of years ago. As far as I know, he didn't kill anyone since then.
>It doesn't show that he killed them
He does. DC was trying to build Jason as villain for some reason and then back away quickly from it. It was during the time DC killed REBIRTH for edgy ideas.
Other than that, Jason doesn't kill anymore and they even took his guns from him and give him the dumb crowbar.
Yeah, I just remembered. I think there were rumors that they wanted to make him Leviathan.
>Which is within his right
Absolutely fricking not, which is why Batman fights him over that.
Edgy Jasontards being moronic again.
Wrong everyone has a human right to try to kill the Joker
Noone has any right to murder anyone. Fricking kys Jasongays
>Noone has any right to murder anyone
And yet, Joker still do it anyway. So, what's your solution here? His victims have no rights, but he does?
He gets locked up in Arkham. That’s their rights.
That's not a "right", this is corruption. I honestly don't know if you believe the bs you are saying, or just saying it out of pathetic hatred for Jason. I truly hope it's the latter.
Locking someone in a cell is not “corruption”, and the comics have ahown time and time again that Joker only receives fair criminal trials. It is his punishment and his sentence for murder, to be locked in a cell in a correctional facility until he is made sane.
Yes, it's for a killer like the joker who easily escape jail. When it was the last time he spent any time in jail? He has been running freely for years now.
And if he ever gets recaptured he will be given an extended prison sentence to sit in Arkham. Because that is his FAIR LEGAL PUNISHMENT.
And yet, you want Jason to get a death sentence. The double standards and lack of self awareness is almost impressive.
Because Jason is legally sane. Joker is legally insane. That’s why the fair punishment for an insane mental patient like Joker is Arkham and the fair punishment for a sane remorseless murderer like Jason is the lethal injection.
>Because Jason is legally sane. Joker is legally insane
And who decided this? You? And Joker is fully aware of what he is doing and all his killing are made with intent. Only fools would believe that he has no choice.
Don't forget that last month he was screaming that Batman should kill Jason while claiming that any murder is wrong.
Schizo
And if Jason’s such a baby he wants Batman to murder, then the first murderer that Batman should murder is Jason. You don’t get to say “rules for thee but not for me”. Jason wants that because Jason is a coward.
So tell me, genius. Do you think victims have no rights to demand justice for what happened to them?
Everytime I think the argument about the Joker can't get dumber, you people always prove me wrong. What truly edgy is the length you would go to to defend a monster like the Joker.
Jason does not have any legal right to murder anyone just because he wants to. No matter how much he seethes about a crime they commit, they deserve a fair trial not a homosexual edgelord like him getting aeay with murder because he pities himself
>Also, I have serious question for you. What's up with your weird obsessive hatred of Jason? You do know he is a fictional character, right?
Good question. What's actually going on here? The obsession is getting too ridiculous and it seems that someone is losing touch with reality. Chill out, dude. Jason isn't real and he won't hurt you.
Jason deserves to be beheaded like all those people he beheaded.
Why doesn't Batman just rape Jason?
Because Joker would be jealous of Jason again and kill him with two crowbars this time.
>verification not required
But Jason and Batman getting along isn't what Joker wants.
If Batman doesn't rape Jason soon then Joker might get so angry he'll make Jason experience the almighty three-crowbar beating
Batman should cut out Jason's tongue so he can never say stupid edgy shit about how he should kill ever again
Since Alfred died Batman should keep Jason as a butler and keep him naked at all times except for his permanent chastity cage and if he ever thought about escaping he would feel a massive wave of fear due to that he did to his brain
Batman should castrate Jason to lessen his aggressive tendencies
Comicbook Batman tainted my like of the character. Coming from the fhe good grounded movies to cheap low common denominator soap operas. Pure misery.
Comic Batman is stupid and evil
Jason is stuid and evil and Comic Batman is a true hero who saved the multiverse
Yeah his comicbook version is awful. They need to keep that out of the movies or else everyone will end up hating him like I did.
Batman has been way too unhinged and miserable for decades now. His movies and games are the only things that kept him relevant for sure.
The only person that’s unhinged and miserable is Jason and that’s his own fault
I agree with this. I’m a bit shocked how shitty his comicbook counterpart is. I think he needs a revamp. Because this ain’t it. Fricking awful. I don’t think I would’ve liked him without the movies. I find his comics too depressing and cheap.
>he needs a revamp
It's too late for that. I don't think DC will survive for long.
J-J-J-J-JASONBROOOOOSSSSS????
A fair legal court decided it you fricking idiot
And Batwoman should have sniped those criminals too
Why doesn’t Batman surgically remove Jason’s genitalia then make him wear a wig and brainwash him to become his meek and pacifistic daughter “Jeanette Todd”?
Batman was right (as usual Jasoncucks)
Batman did nothing wrong and if anything Jason deserves worse for all he’s done he shouldn’t be in the batfamily
Batman wins.
Batman is a manchild