Original, 90% of the aliens in the ultimatrix are redundant to some degree or just kind of dumb.
Plus with Greymatter I could probably just figure out how to make a better one eventually.
i just realized "grey matter" isn't just a brain related name because it's the smart alien but also because greymatter is the closest equivalent the show has to the typical "greys" alien archetype
Your best bet is to take the second one, use Grey Matter, and build a second omnitrix without those limitations.
Though that goes against the spirit of the question, it technically doesn’t break the rules since the new one isn’t beheld to the limitations.
Or just build Nanites with either and become Rex
Ben 10 needs to get a PG-13 rated reboot one of these days or at least an army of rip and tear-able killer robots so Ripjaws and Wildmutt can finally get some use of their big horrible teeth.
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this is what fan-fiction is for. not that i disagree with you. just saying that's the only way to find what you want lol
He just needed more wet environments to thrive in rather than being an Aquaman parody. Should've had an episode where it was raining really hard so Ripjaws is always empowered. Could've had one where a flood happens and Ripjaws helps with that.
Original 10 with master control ez. Grey for making dosh via inventions and other work, XLR8 for travel, 4 arms or diamondhead for physical labor, Ghostfreak for shenanigans and halloween parties
No reason to not pick the first one.
Grey matter is already the smartest alien in the Omnitrix, so you gain nothing by not choosing the first especially since you can just build super sci-fi tech with the same capabilities as any of the aliens in the omniverse watch
What this guy said
Curious how the first option doesn't have the "Can't get around these drawbacks-" option, meaning you can get around any drawback with Greymatter and eventually Alien X
Omniverse Omnitrix all the way. Might give the wrong alien sometimes but the wide range of possible transformations makes it worth it. Unless it gives you Alien X and you're stuck with Bellicus and Serena for a while or you get Way Big and destroy your surroundings.
I'm gonna basically be using this just to frick around in every day life and maybe make some money, so I don't really care about reliability. Variety is the spice of life, gimme all the aliens!
I choose the original, most of the OG 10 aliens are top tier even in later series and it looks like a cool alien gauntlet and not some lame wrist watch.
>Have fun arguing with the floating heads on whether you should take a shit or not
I'll let them know that we only have 10 minutes, and since they're not capable of behaving in that span of time, I should have control until further notice.
10 minutes might as well be infinity as Alien X, and I'd only need to get it a few times to have everything.
The time limit never worked on Alien X, in fact you'll end up stuck completely motionless as Alien X forever or until you can somehow convince the other two to change you back.
The second one, since Ben usually stays in a form before he hits the time limit or return to normal since he can get the required task in under ten minutes.
Plus, the time limit is inconsistent later on since Azmuth explained that Ben's large hands slapping the dial causes it to set it to a random time limit.
Also, the second omnitrix has a better interface, doesn't have that erori like the first and multiple cool functions, so maybe there is a sleep mode or something that supercharges the watch so I can stay in a form for longer depending on the length (It has a randomizer option so sonething like this wouldn't be out of question).
Ben was able to stay in frog form for days on end and Asmuth will give him master control once he becomes 18.
The first one was a shitty prototype, the ultimatrix faulty Albedoware and this one its the best iteration, it's just that Ben has some form of mental moronation thatmakes him the worst possible user before he learns the ropes.
For some reason your edit looks way more natural and it does help differentiate him from Four Arms a bit more. I'm surprised that the final design wasn't like this.
Well yes, I know that. But I guess I shouldn't really be surprised that people like the idea of the 3 of them fricking each other as well as any other forms mixed in.
>OV ends >Show becomes a joke as the series CN milked to death >Reboot comes out, it's widely panned by older fans >Reboot ends >Fandom enters a new renaissance era of discussion and OC
How the frick?
Personally I just recently rediscovered the show after getting recommended omniverse on YT. Turns out it was way better than I remembered and now I'm watching the seasons I missed after losing interest as a kid
Well so far I've only watched Omniverse and the original series, but I can vouch for OV being worth watching. The main critique with it is that some people don't like it being more comedy oriented compared to UAF, but the OS also doubled as a comedy too, so if you liked the original you'll probably like OV.
Take the Original
Since it starts off with the Original 10 and has master control all I need to do is swipe alien DNA to unlock more forms >Can never unlock more aliens
I override this barrier by turning into Greymatter and bypassing such a stupid restriction
>>Can never unlock more aliens >I override this barrier by turning into Greymatter and bypassing such a stupid restriction
does this homie know what never means? Also I'm not sure if you realised, but Ben 10 aliens don't actually exist.
Omniverse Omnitrix for sure. The reason it gives the wrong alien all the time is cause Ben smashes the fricking thing like a monkey, I just won't do that
>The reason it gives the wrong alien all the time is cause Ben smashes the fricking thing like a monkey The Omnitrix doesn't give Ben what he wants but what he needs
What if you can’t convince the 2 schizos in your head to agree on something and you’re stuck as a statue for eternity? Actually, that brings up a good point if the Omnitrix time out can go off if nothing happens after the 10 minutes or so
Alien X is unironically the single worst alien you could ever get when you realise you'll have to give a power point presentation every time you so much as want to scratch your balls, frankly you'd have to take him out of the roster for me to even consider the 2nd Omnitrix over the one with master control.
Isn't it the case that you need to outvote the other one?
I'll just threaten to flip a coin and agree with the winner unless they do what I want
That should be scary Enough for then
>Alien X is unironically the single worst alien you could ever get
Only if your a midwitt, you can just first transform into echo echo, clone yourself and have your clone turn into brainstorm while you turn into alien x, if your diplomacy fails then you have your alone who figured out how the watch works and can transform you back
On top of that, you can also have the clone turn into clockwork and stop time to let you have all the time in the world to argue these two
Original has no real downsides. I'd probably turn into Grey Matter and at least try to make it look like the more compact AF version but the original ten with no limit are all I'd ever need.
Original 10 aliens: >Unique desgins >Non bloated roster >Voice filters are better >Overall much more original and balanced
U*F aliens: >Most look like reskinned superhero action figures >Redundant OP roster >Dee bradly baker voices almost everyone
>character driven
Eh, Ben and Gwen's dynamic was hardly interesting if you never shipped it, just two bickering kids. I like when Ben and Max had moments but those were pretty rare.
>can never unlock more aliens isn't with the additional "can't get around these drawbacks" of the second
The choice is basically telling me to pick the first and use Greymatter to bypass it.
Kuro doesn’t like the Omnitrix giving Jurryrig a whole ass uniform with goggles; gives Wildmutt full on armor and a stupid ass helmet. I don’t get his reasoning
It's already been established that there was no attempt at any serious discussion. The crew were simply arguing for the sake of arguing and entertainment.
I personally don't like clothes on the transformations either nut I can tolerate it if was something like in the reboot where the armor/clothes are supposed to be a special mode, like a power ranger battlizer or something.
Yeah you’re right I shouldn’t make a mountain out of a mole hill. But I like the uniforms personally, gives the transformations a sense of unity and plays into that superhero inspiration by giving them a “costume”. I do like how some don’t get one since it wouldn’t work with their body type like Wildmutt or Spidermonkey
I get where you're coming from but I can't say I am in favor of the superhero costumes. I much prefer naked or the OS black and white jumpsuits. Those designs really help reinforce Ben 10 as an "unconventional" kind of superhero. It also helped reinforce how unique and truly "alien" the Omnitrix device was, instead of a typical superpower.
I even remember earlier episodes of the original series that spoofed the standard superhero archetype, in contrast to how ben was basically a little kid playing hero by using dangerous monsters contained within his watch.
I choose the Ultimatrix
I guess I choose the og then
That leaves me with Awesome X
MASTER CYLINDER! MASTER CYLINDER!
KAKOW!
>Ultimatrix
Enjoy timing out in space without a suit or having transformations become sentient and being vulnerable to hacking
Why would I want the inferior one with a time limit, that might give me the wrong alien? Gimme the one with ten reliable aliens please.
Nine reliable aliens. Ghostfreak will betray you eventually.
ten minute time limit and then I can use it again instantly afterwards or how does it work?
>awesome alien form
>time runs out
>use it again right after to regain that form
>random shitty alien form
Yeah no thanks, original 10 please.
Original, 90% of the aliens in the ultimatrix are redundant to some degree or just kind of dumb.
Plus with Greymatter I could probably just figure out how to make a better one eventually.
i just realized "grey matter" isn't just a brain related name because it's the smart alien but also because greymatter is the closest equivalent the show has to the typical "greys" alien archetype
Your best bet is to take the second one, use Grey Matter, and build a second omnitrix without those limitations.
Though that goes against the spirit of the question, it technically doesn’t break the rules since the new one isn’t beheld to the limitations.
Or just build Nanites with either and become Rex
The OG 10 were honestly the perfect set. I'd be completely content with that.
enjoy Ghostfreak's company
Ripjaws was a bit of a let down for all the potential he could've and should've had.
Such a cool design, too.
b***h what? I would use Ripjaws to explore the ocean and search for the megalodon.
If he was allowed the maul stuff besides metal he would of been cooler.
Imagine him taking a chunk of Vilgax’s tentacles during Secrets
>I love the taste of calamari in the morning!
Ben 10 needs to get a PG-13 rated reboot one of these days or at least an army of rip and tear-able killer robots so Ripjaws and Wildmutt can finally get some use of their big horrible teeth.
this is what fan-fiction is for. not that i disagree with you. just saying that's the only way to find what you want lol
He just needed more wet environments to thrive in rather than being an Aquaman parody. Should've had an episode where it was raining really hard so Ripjaws is always empowered. Could've had one where a flood happens and Ripjaws helps with that.
>Ripjaws at the waterpark episode
>Ripjaws from the Black Lagoon episode
>Ripjaws having the time of his life during a hurricane
Original 10 with master control ez. Grey for making dosh via inventions and other work, XLR8 for travel, 4 arms or diamondhead for physical labor, Ghostfreak for shenanigans and halloween parties
Lmao I forgot how goofy this lil homie looked
>I'm the most powerful being in the universe, why are you laughing?
Looks like Captain Qwark
Yeah, this is one time where the DJW chin was a mistake.
hey peter i'm alien x
That's not my Alien X
The fricking chin sends my sides into orbit every time
Here comes, the Cosmic Chin!
Hehehe
Peak performance
Realistically, the original 10 are all you need for any given situation. You have to choose the reliability here unless you're a gachagay.
Omniverse sucks dick and so does its watch
Ultimatrix is better in every way
No reason to not pick the first one.
Grey matter is already the smartest alien in the Omnitrix, so you gain nothing by not choosing the first especially since you can just build super sci-fi tech with the same capabilities as any of the aliens in the omniverse watch
What this guy said
Curious how the first option doesn't have the "Can't get around these drawbacks-" option, meaning you can get around any drawback with Greymatter and eventually Alien X
original
reliable flier or swimmer when you are falling or drowning beats miniscule chance of getting a god tier alien
Original ten, use Greymatter to usher in a new technological age.
>Grey matter species leading humanity in a new civilizational golden age
I want to read a fanfic about this
The first one
Only thing the omnimatrix has is that it's a nicer looking watch.
What did master control do besides unlimited transformation time and never getting the wrong alien?
Let you change with a thought so you don’t have to touch the watch.
It should also give you access to all the features Ben doesn’t know about, like the gender flip switch and all that stuff
Whichever one gives us this
Unitrix/Eunice
So neither of them.
>people who grew up with the series are now making art
What a time to be alive.
Assuming the good lord grants me the strength to actually draw something this week:
Do you guys have any Omnibabe requests? We haven't seem her here in a long while.
>Pic related is about as well as I can draw :/
>Stop looking at me with them green glowin’ eyes
Omniverse Omnitrix all the way. Might give the wrong alien sometimes but the wide range of possible transformations makes it worth it. Unless it gives you Alien X and you're stuck with Bellicus and Serena for a while or you get Way Big and destroy your surroundings.
I'm gonna basically be using this just to frick around in every day life and maybe make some money, so I don't really care about reliability. Variety is the spice of life, gimme all the aliens!
I choose the original, most of the OG 10 aliens are top tier even in later series and it looks like a cool alien gauntlet and not some lame wrist watch.
>original 10
>get useless shit luke rip jaws or evil like ghostfreak
>no cannonball, big chill, or rath
pretty slick
Looking sharp lads.
You too man
Room for one more fellas?
this would be pretty dope for a tetramand civilian
Yeah like a nightclub owner or something
The orginal one doesn't look like hot garbage so that one. I'd hate if I had that shit on the right stuck on my arm forever.
Me? Alien X? 10 minutes?
Have fun arguing with the floating heads on whether you should take a shit or not
>Have fun arguing with the floating heads on whether you should take a shit or not
I'll let them know that we only have 10 minutes, and since they're not capable of behaving in that span of time, I should have control until further notice.
10 minutes might as well be infinity as Alien X, and I'd only need to get it a few times to have everything.
They'll disagree, just to spite you.
The time limit never worked on Alien X, in fact you'll end up stuck completely motionless as Alien X forever or until you can somehow convince the other two to change you back.
This I would literally make all of reality my fetish in those ten minutes
Giving a Cinemaphile user access to Alien X sounds like a legit nightmare
>I'm sick and tired of girls
>I'm SICK and TIRED
I'd forgotten that Yung Hee had starred in Ben 10 before moving to Mike Tyson Mysteries.
The second one, since Ben usually stays in a form before he hits the time limit or return to normal since he can get the required task in under ten minutes.
Plus, the time limit is inconsistent later on since Azmuth explained that Ben's large hands slapping the dial causes it to set it to a random time limit.
Also, the second omnitrix has a better interface, doesn't have that erori like the first and multiple cool functions, so maybe there is a sleep mode or something that supercharges the watch so I can stay in a form for longer depending on the length (It has a randomizer option so sonething like this wouldn't be out of question).
I’m ok with the second. I like variety
Plus it always gives you the alien you need even if it ain’t what you want
Ben was able to stay in frog form for days on end and Asmuth will give him master control once he becomes 18.
The first one was a shitty prototype, the ultimatrix faulty Albedoware and this one its the best iteration, it's just that Ben has some form of mental moronation thatmakes him the worst possible user before he learns the ropes.
Ultimatrix and sell Pesky Dust pics online
I'm gonna have to say, the OG with master control is beyond insane when you can Upgrade or Ghost Freak for longer than 10 minutes at a time.
Not to mention that the more technologically developed we become, the more useful Upgrade gets.
Based thread,Frick coomers and shippers post some goddamn interesting redesigns concepts etc
Opinion; Spider monkey's arms should be lower down on his hips to give him a ape Centaur vibe instead just making him twink four arms, thoughts.
So like a lanky Underlord Dota
For some reason your edit looks way more natural and it does help differentiate him from Four Arms a bit more. I'm surprised that the final design wasn't like this.
>coomers and shippers
What if its the maximum coomer ship that involves at least 1-12 different aliens depending on the continuity?
Are you implying that they have threesome while also making it a twelvesome?
Gwen is an anodite, Kevin Osmosian and Ben usually has 10 or so aliens.
Well yes, I know that. But I guess I shouldn't really be surprised that people like the idea of the 3 of them fricking each other as well as any other forms mixed in.
Why isn't Gwen/Kevin/Ben more popular?
Now that’s a good Spidermonkey design
>tfw no one knows you've been pantsing them and setting their thermostat two degrees higher
>Causing minor inconveniences in the lives of people you don’t like
>OV ends
>Show becomes a joke as the series CN milked to death
>Reboot comes out, it's widely panned by older fans
>Reboot ends
>Fandom enters a new renaissance era of discussion and OC
How the frick?
Personally I just recently rediscovered the show after getting recommended omniverse on YT. Turns out it was way better than I remembered and now I'm watching the seasons I missed after losing interest as a kid
I watched the OG as a kid - are Alienforce, and other new versions worth watching?
Well so far I've only watched Omniverse and the original series, but I can vouch for OV being worth watching. The main critique with it is that some people don't like it being more comedy oriented compared to UAF, but the OS also doubled as a comedy too, so if you liked the original you'll probably like OV.
>Fandom enters a new renaissance era of discussion and OC
Did it, though?
>I get 144 tries to get the Alien I need every day
Take the Original
Since it starts off with the Original 10 and has master control all I need to do is swipe alien DNA to unlock more forms
>Can never unlock more aliens
I override this barrier by turning into Greymatter and bypassing such a stupid restriction
>>Can never unlock more aliens
>I override this barrier by turning into Greymatter and bypassing such a stupid restriction
does this homie know what never means? Also I'm not sure if you realised, but Ben 10 aliens don't actually exist.
Imma choose the og and start abusing ghostfreak's powers immediately.
Omniverse Omnitrix for sure. The reason it gives the wrong alien all the time is cause Ben smashes the fricking thing like a monkey, I just won't do that
>The reason it gives the wrong alien all the time is cause Ben smashes the fricking thing like a monkey
The Omnitrix doesn't give Ben what he wants but what he needs
Azmuth literally say it's because he man handles it in the show, why do you think he starts doing the gentle finger press later in the series.
What if you can’t convince the 2 schizos in your head to agree on something and you’re stuck as a statue for eternity? Actually, that brings up a good point if the Omnitrix time out can go off if nothing happens after the 10 minutes or so
Alien X is unironically the single worst alien you could ever get when you realise you'll have to give a power point presentation every time you so much as want to scratch your balls, frankly you'd have to take him out of the roster for me to even consider the 2nd Omnitrix over the one with master control.
2 people I can argue with, forever, and they can't escape?
Not a threat to me
You can't escape either unless the other two give their consent.
>Let me go or I'll recite my 12 point manifesto on israelites and their hold on american media
>the frick's a israelite?
Anon they know about dinosaurs what makes you think they won't know about ~~*them*~~
Isn't it the case that you need to outvote the other one?
I'll just threaten to flip a coin and agree with the winner unless they do what I want
That should be scary Enough for then
My time has come.
I know how to play people
I just need to trick one of them
>Alien X is unironically the single worst alien you could ever get
Only if your a midwitt, you can just first transform into echo echo, clone yourself and have your clone turn into brainstorm while you turn into alien x, if your diplomacy fails then you have your alone who figured out how the watch works and can transform you back
On top of that, you can also have the clone turn into clockwork and stop time to let you have all the time in the world to argue these two
>can never unlock more aliens
um, did u watch the show?
Ben 10 thread, nice
Original has no real downsides. I'd probably turn into Grey Matter and at least try to make it look like the more compact AF version but the original ten with no limit are all I'd ever need.
Other than Ghost freak chomping out and escaping my Omnitrix and Stinkfly being useless the original 10 aliens seem pretty solid.
>Stinkfly useless
Stinkfly is easily ben's 2nd most versatile flyer save for Bigchill you don't know what you're talking about.
Still holding out for her redemption arc in a Gwen series, I seriously would love too see what they'd do with a good guy version of her.
The Gwen show isn’t going to happen man I’m sorry
Original 10 aliens:
>Unique desgins
>Non bloated roster
>Voice filters are better
>Overall much more original and balanced
U*F aliens:
>Most look like reskinned superhero action figures
>Redundant OP roster
>Dee bradly baker voices almost everyone
OS designs were better but the OS as a series was pretty meh.
OS was character driven episodic kino
>character driven
Eh, Ben and Gwen's dynamic was hardly interesting if you never shipped it, just two bickering kids. I like when Ben and Max had moments but those were pretty rare.
I'm not a shipgay and its decent hell i even think its cute and max's past was interesting too.
Yo is that my boy Transmutor?!
>can never unlock more aliens isn't with the additional "can't get around these drawbacks" of the second
The choice is basically telling me to pick the first and use Greymatter to bypass it.
Its pride month.
What else would you call Pesky Dust, Ben?
Who’s the gayest alien? Hard mode no Pesky Dusk
Big Chill obviously
Is Ben at least a power bottom?
Kuro doesn’t like the Omnitrix giving Jurryrig a whole ass uniform with goggles; gives Wildmutt full on armor and a stupid ass helmet. I don’t get his reasoning
It's already been established that there was no attempt at any serious discussion. The crew were simply arguing for the sake of arguing and entertainment.
I personally don't like clothes on the transformations either nut I can tolerate it if was something like in the reboot where the armor/clothes are supposed to be a special mode, like a power ranger battlizer or something.
Yeah you’re right I shouldn’t make a mountain out of a mole hill. But I like the uniforms personally, gives the transformations a sense of unity and plays into that superhero inspiration by giving them a “costume”. I do like how some don’t get one since it wouldn’t work with their body type like Wildmutt or Spidermonkey
I get where you're coming from but I can't say I am in favor of the superhero costumes. I much prefer naked or the OS black and white jumpsuits. Those designs really help reinforce Ben 10 as an "unconventional" kind of superhero. It also helped reinforce how unique and truly "alien" the Omnitrix device was, instead of a typical superpower.
I even remember earlier episodes of the original series that spoofed the standard superhero archetype, in contrast to how ben was basically a little kid playing hero by using dangerous monsters contained within his watch.
Oh that’s what I meant. That the black and white suits were like the “costumes” for the aliens
Oh okay, by the tone of your original response I thought you were defending Juryrigg's OV design.
So uh when Max got the omnitrix all the ayys would have funny lookin floral patterns on em right
Obviously
Doesn’t the Max 10 guy give him the Hawaiian shirt?
Shit taste on his part, OV Juryrigg is one of the best designs in the entire franchise.
>Kuro doesn’t like the Omnitrix giving Jurryrig a whole ass uniform with goggles
Why? He just looks like a generic gremlin otherwise.
I dunno the man is an enigma
Post fan art you like
Who would be the worst to be stuck in an elevator with?
>Worst
Kevin would probably just kill your for “Looking at him funny”
Ultimate Kevin maybe, young Kevin can be pretty easily manipulated if Vilgax and Servantis are anything to go by.
>fart in the elevator
>point at Kevin
>"it was you"
>Yeah the next thing I know I’m waking up in here
>Worth it though
The Highbreed would instantly get off on the next floor just to get away from you
Seriously though why did they make OV Ben such a twink?
Why work out when you can just turn into a buff dude whenever you want
The original. Just being able to use Grey Matter whenever i want would make me rich as hell.
Imagine all these stock brokers being in awe of the tiny little frog man making the correct investments and knowing exactly what to buy and sell
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Realistically, what's next for this franchise? Alien force and omniverse were taken off max and alien xtinction was 2 years ago.
I'd take a reboot back to Ben 10 (og), maybe have him at 11 or so.
Have it be a return to form and continuation of the original series.