How would you feel if say, Spider-Man or whatever, had a new reboot origin story and the guy playing Peter Parker looks NOTHING like the character to a comical degree, only got the role because he shagged the producer and was a male prostitute, shits on the role all the time, subverted the character at every turn and wanted to have him killed off for no other reason than to piss (you) off for saying he's miscast.
That's why Bond fans hate Daniel Craig. He's redeemed himself a bit by retracting the bit where Bond should be black or a woman but hardly anything that fixes 15 years of wasted kino potential.
>He's the most human
That seems true, they mine his relationships well enough, but you don't get much of a sense of what he's thinking. There's no off-the-cuff moment for the audience, like when Craig's Bond wakes up asking about Vesper in the car after the poisoning attempt. I guess it's enigmatic, Dalton's kind of like the Mona Lisa of Bonds, he doesn't really close up as the film continues.
That's how James Bond is. In the books. He's a blank slate but also larger than life. He's not some moralizer but has a sense of justice and compassion. He's the book Bond put to screen before Fleming retconned the character to just be Sean Connery because the movies made so much money.
>On paper he seems like the best but he never really excells at anything.
You are describing Brosnan. Dalton is dark and brooding with his films taking on a serious edge. They definitely did something different with his bond that he completely excels at which is why some of us prefer him.
How I wish Moore gracefully bowed out after Moonraker and Dalton had all his three 80's movies and the entire decade to himself. He'd be the biggest and most popular Bond considering the 80's fetishism these days.
Anyone who says the best Bond is not Connery is a contrarian.
Anyone who says the second best Bond is not Brosnan is incorrect.
Anyone who says Lazenby was anything better than dogshit has autism.
Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
>Anyone who says the best Bond is not Connery is a contrarian.
I grew up with Moore and didn't see a Connery until I'd seen Octopussy and A View to a Kill 300 times on HBO. >Anyone who says the second best Bond is not Brosnan is incorrect.
Since that makes Connery the #2, and having been a fan of Remington Steele, I'd say Brosbond is hamstrung but atrocious scripts. >Anyone who says Lazenby was anything better than dogshit has autism.
I am autistic, that is why I'm here. OHMSS is saved by its script and score which elevates Lazenby's performance. >Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
I'm a chud and think the first one was decent and didn't hate Quantum of Solace. Then there was another one that was like a three hour prequel... for a movie that ended up sucking huge, hairy donkey balls and retroactively destroyed all of the goodwill Craig was still hanging on to. I never watched the last one. Read every Fleming novel instead and watched a mythologized biographical film about the author.
>Since that makes Connery the #2, and having been a fan of Remington Steele, I'd say Brosbond is hamstrung but atrocious scripts.
it's more than that. unlike steele his bond never smiles or jokes except for silly one-liners. brosnan had become jaded and less optimistic after losing his first wife.
Yeah, it also came around the time that Cubby betrayed him despite promising him the role and having him sign a contract. The channel wanted more episodes to capitalize on his new fame as Bond and were more than happy to work around the shooting so Pierce could to TLD and Steele but Cubby, in his second most moronic decision even if I'm a Daltongay, tore up Pierce's contract because he was a snob who thought the franchise was above a TV star even though they fricking cast him in the first place. Then, Pierce got saddled with Wade and Purvis and their master Barbara and let go over the phone despite everything with him as Bond being a money making machine.
Pierce was the most fricked over of them all. Dalton got treated way better and was asked to come back numerous times.
Los Angeles israelites, y'know. Bring the show back because leading man is the new Bond, thus costing him that job and the show gets cancelled anyway. How Pierce didn't murder one of them is a mystery to me. Watching Dalton be Bond must have been fricking blood boiling. Honestly, I like Pierce and think he could have made TLD work but Dalton's just too good for me to pass
>he was a snob who thought the franchise was above a TV star
Platonic ideal of "based moron".
This. Roger was even doing TV episodes in between movies. It makes NO sense unless you consider how he wanted Dalton before Pierce and this was his excuse to sack Pierce and get Timothy now that his contract with another movie was up.
Whatever. Craig's Casino Royale is mogged to high heaven by the book and is a very lazy adaptation of it and the torture scene, a pivotal scene for the novel and the book series, is made into a joke. Eva Green breasts don't make it good, just goon to her and call it a day.
Double spacing implies you're just out of school and think you need to format like your essays, you have a learning disability and think others need as much help reading simple paragraphs as you do, or you're from reddit and think that's how we do things here. There's no reason for a superfluous empty line after a quote or line of greentext. It's disingenuous to imply there is. Good day.
>Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
i dont say that at all. i say craig never made a bond movie and i refuse to watch them to this day.
>Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
craig never made a good bond movie, all of them were hamstrung by serious narrative issues. casino had terrible pacing and bond doesn't even defeat the villain. quantum had a stupid villain and plot. skyfall was good until it became "he wanted to be caught" & home alone. spectre and no time to die were just stupid, none of their character arcs made sense if you think about them for longer than three seconds, and why would you even do that when there was nothing in them worth remembering. remember blofeld dying for no reason? good times.
you could cobble together some elements from all of them to make a good movie. skyfall's intro, casino's villain, and quantum's bond girl could have been really good. but instead their flaws wasted a lot of potential.
This is easily the most truthful post on Craig's era. Even a subpar Moore entry has more cohesion and satisfactory storytelling than any of his movies.
I swear Moore haters must be the sort of people who sit in the corner at any social engagement whilst scowling and angrily disagreeing with everyone there.
What gets me is that Dalton could easily have nailed the Moore style Bond but he chose the kino route and wanting to adapt Fleming's Bond, like no one did before. What a kino master. I guess it's unlikely they'd ever cast a previous Bond in another role but they did want Sean Connery in Skyfall before he got ill so it's possible since the next one is going to be a full reboot.
Nah, I'd argue he was the most based in that regard. Watch the movies again, he's a based ubermensch who isn't pussy whipped and juvenile like the others.
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How do DaltonChads cope with the fact he was second choice to Brosnan?
He wasn't, get your facts straight. They came to Dalton first but he had a contract, THEN Brosnan was cast but he had a contract and then they waited till Dalton was available.
Even after six years, Cubby wanted Tim to do 4 or 5 more movies but he himself rejected it.
True, he's certainly a man's man but I like Dalton because he was a truly cultivated, sophisticated ubermensch with a heart and a sense of justice. He felt like a true hero, without foregoing the dark side.
bond isnt supposed to feel like a hero at all, that's the dalton problem. he's supposed to feel like a man doing a tough job without qualms and having a little bit of fun along the way.
I guess I overstated it a bit as Dalton's Bond was more so what you describe but idk, maybe my liking of Dalton as an actor got ahead of me. I think his revenge quest in LTK is probably the best storyline in all of the movies.
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i loved him in penny dreadful. but nobody can outshine eva green
Only reason I come to this godforsaken board and site. The Bond threads here are the best Bondposting on the internet. I deleted my MI6 account because I hate the NPC gays over there so much. They were unironically talking about black Bond like it was a sane thing to want.
In what way? I'd agree he looked a bit lanky in his first two but last two? He looked proper manly and cool in those and I think shed his boyish persona by then. He was nearing 50 anyway lol.
as of now im almost done with my bond rewatch ive been working on (only havent seen dalton's 2 films, but previously he was my favorite and he's next) >best bond
Moore >best connery films
Goldfinger > Dr. No > Thunderball >best moore films
For your eyes only > Live and let die > A View to a kill >best brosnan films
Goldeneye > Die another day > whatever >best craig films
Casino royale > Quantum of solace > Skyfall >top 5 bond films
For your eyes only > Live and let die > Goldeneye > Goldeneye > A view to a kill
probably going to repost this and edit in the dalton films once i'm done and see where his 2 films land in my top 5, i hard a hard time coming up with the 5th one, view to a kill seems like a weird inclusion but honestly it was the moore bond i most enjoyed on my recent watch besides LALD/FYEO, so its potentially recency bias but it also felt like a breath of fresh air somehow, i was starting to feel burned out with moore bonds a bit but it brought me back.
I love Dalton but I still think Connery's the gold standard.
Bond, perfected
Why do people hate this guy again?
because he's Jack Bauer in a tux
How would you feel if say, Spider-Man or whatever, had a new reboot origin story and the guy playing Peter Parker looks NOTHING like the character to a comical degree, only got the role because he shagged the producer and was a male prostitute, shits on the role all the time, subverted the character at every turn and wanted to have him killed off for no other reason than to piss (you) off for saying he's miscast.
That's why Bond fans hate Daniel Craig. He's redeemed himself a bit by retracting the bit where Bond should be black or a woman but hardly anything that fixes 15 years of wasted kino potential.
Daniel Craig is the Andor of James Bond films
For like 2 movies yes, but then he becomes capeshit with a Bond coat of paint.
i dont. he just isnt james bond or any other 00
crusty and zesty
>And another reason? I love wiener.
True. If you're a bookgay, the others are jokes. He's the best.
You're the baiting schizo Craiggay.
On paper he seems like the best but he never really excells at anything. Connery is more charming, Moore more humorous, Brosnan more suave.
That said, License to Kill is great. Maybe one of my top three.
>he never really excels at anything
He's the most human
Yeah, that's true without disproving my point. On my second watch through of the complete 007 he's grown on me. Shame he only did two.
Has anyone seen the Becoming Bond docu?
>He's the most human
That seems true, they mine his relationships well enough, but you don't get much of a sense of what he's thinking. There's no off-the-cuff moment for the audience, like when Craig's Bond wakes up asking about Vesper in the car after the poisoning attempt. I guess it's enigmatic, Dalton's kind of like the Mona Lisa of Bonds, he doesn't really close up as the film continues.
>most human
Dalton lives in the most grounded world in some respects, but he's not really the most human...
That's how James Bond is. In the books. He's a blank slate but also larger than life. He's not some moralizer but has a sense of justice and compassion. He's the book Bond put to screen before Fleming retconned the character to just be Sean Connery because the movies made so much money.
>On paper he seems like the best but he never really excells at anything.
You are describing Brosnan. Dalton is dark and brooding with his films taking on a serious edge. They definitely did something different with his bond that he completely excels at which is why some of us prefer him.
How I wish Moore gracefully bowed out after Moonraker and Dalton had all his three 80's movies and the entire decade to himself. He'd be the biggest and most popular Bond considering the 80's fetishism these days.
Anyone who says the best Bond is not Connery is a contrarian.
Anyone who says the second best Bond is not Brosnan is incorrect.
Anyone who says Lazenby was anything better than dogshit has autism.
Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
Say what you will about Moore
>Anyone who says the best Bond is not Connery is a contrarian.
I grew up with Moore and didn't see a Connery until I'd seen Octopussy and A View to a Kill 300 times on HBO.
>Anyone who says the second best Bond is not Brosnan is incorrect.
Since that makes Connery the #2, and having been a fan of Remington Steele, I'd say Brosbond is hamstrung but atrocious scripts.
>Anyone who says Lazenby was anything better than dogshit has autism.
I am autistic, that is why I'm here. OHMSS is saved by its script and score which elevates Lazenby's performance.
>Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
I'm a chud and think the first one was decent and didn't hate Quantum of Solace. Then there was another one that was like a three hour prequel... for a movie that ended up sucking huge, hairy donkey balls and retroactively destroyed all of the goodwill Craig was still hanging on to. I never watched the last one. Read every Fleming novel instead and watched a mythologized biographical film about the author.
>Since that makes Connery the #2, and having been a fan of Remington Steele, I'd say Brosbond is hamstrung but atrocious scripts.
it's more than that. unlike steele his bond never smiles or jokes except for silly one-liners. brosnan had become jaded and less optimistic after losing his first wife.
Yeah, it also came around the time that Cubby betrayed him despite promising him the role and having him sign a contract. The channel wanted more episodes to capitalize on his new fame as Bond and were more than happy to work around the shooting so Pierce could to TLD and Steele but Cubby, in his second most moronic decision even if I'm a Daltongay, tore up Pierce's contract because he was a snob who thought the franchise was above a TV star even though they fricking cast him in the first place. Then, Pierce got saddled with Wade and Purvis and their master Barbara and let go over the phone despite everything with him as Bond being a money making machine.
Pierce was the most fricked over of them all. Dalton got treated way better and was asked to come back numerous times.
dont remind me of season 5 though. the show ended in season 4 on the fisherman's boat. the only good thing to come out of season 5 was the dad reveal.
Los Angeles israelites, y'know. Bring the show back because leading man is the new Bond, thus costing him that job and the show gets cancelled anyway. How Pierce didn't murder one of them is a mystery to me. Watching Dalton be Bond must have been fricking blood boiling. Honestly, I like Pierce and think he could have made TLD work but Dalton's just too good for me to pass
>he was a snob who thought the franchise was above a TV star
Platonic ideal of "based moron".
Forgot my picture for emphasis
This. Roger was even doing TV episodes in between movies. It makes NO sense unless you consider how he wanted Dalton before Pierce and this was his excuse to sack Pierce and get Timothy now that his contract with another movie was up.
>chud
Using that word unironically devalues everything you say
As does your formatting.
Whatever. Craig's Casino Royale is mogged to high heaven by the book and is a very lazy adaptation of it and the torture scene, a pivotal scene for the novel and the book series, is made into a joke. Eva Green breasts don't make it good, just goon to her and call it a day.
Nothing wrong with the formatting, btw.
Double spacing implies you're just out of school and think you need to format like your essays, you have a learning disability and think others need as much help reading simple paragraphs as you do, or you're from reddit and think that's how we do things here. There's no reason for a superfluous empty line after a quote or line of greentext. It's disingenuous to imply there is. Good day.
Craiggays need their own chapter in the mental health illnesses index. It's just an extra space by clicking the spacebar one time too many.
Spacebars don't do that, you moronic frick. None of your lies make sense.
Is this really the hill you'd like to die on?
It looks better than a vomit of words. There, happy?
>you have a learning disability and think others need as much help reading simple paragraphs as you do
>Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
i dont say that at all. i say craig never made a bond movie and i refuse to watch them to this day.
>Anyone who says Craig never made a good Bond movie is a chud.
craig never made a good bond movie, all of them were hamstrung by serious narrative issues. casino had terrible pacing and bond doesn't even defeat the villain. quantum had a stupid villain and plot. skyfall was good until it became "he wanted to be caught" & home alone. spectre and no time to die were just stupid, none of their character arcs made sense if you think about them for longer than three seconds, and why would you even do that when there was nothing in them worth remembering. remember blofeld dying for no reason? good times.
you could cobble together some elements from all of them to make a good movie. skyfall's intro, casino's villain, and quantum's bond girl could have been really good. but instead their flaws wasted a lot of potential.
This is easily the most truthful post on Craig's era. Even a subpar Moore entry has more cohesion and satisfactory storytelling than any of his movies.
I swear Moore haters must be the sort of people who sit in the corner at any social engagement whilst scowling and angrily disagreeing with everyone there.
This. I am a Daltongay and stickler about book accuracy and whatnot but Moore's movies are fun romps with no malicious subversion like Craig's movies.
Say that on r/jamesbond for epic lulz. Any criticism of Craig makes the zoomies seethe.
Look at his mouth, guy was born for a mustache, without it he looks weird.
I wish he’d come back to the Bond franchise as a villain with his mustache, he looks so kino.
What gets me is that Dalton could easily have nailed the Moore style Bond but he chose the kino route and wanting to adapt Fleming's Bond, like no one did before. What a kino master. I guess it's unlikely they'd ever cast a previous Bond in another role but they did want Sean Connery in Skyfall before he got ill so it's possible since the next one is going to be a full reboot.
The Living Daylights wasn't very good.
WHEEEEEERE HAS EVERYBODY GONE
We're reaching levels of filtered that shouldn't even be possible.
This.
>muh Afghanistan
It's one of the best third acts ever in a movie, great progression of set pieces and action. The final stunt with the plane and Necros was top tier.
My fricking hero and anyone who disagrees will be made into strawberry jam.
RIP he was the legend
How do DaltonChads cope with the fact he was second choice to Brosnan?
GOAT henchmen with Necros and Dario.
Main villain sucked. Necros was cool, though.
For the 80s, at least. When his competition was an ageing Connery and Moore.
GOT A LICENSE TO KILL
AND YOU KNOW I'M GOING STRAIGHT FOR YOOOOURRR HEART
(Got a license to kill...)
Not nearly sexist enough to be the best, he was very mushy around his girls.
Nah, I'd argue he was the most based in that regard. Watch the movies again, he's a based ubermensch who isn't pussy whipped and juvenile like the others.
He wasn't, get your facts straight. They came to Dalton first but he had a contract, THEN Brosnan was cast but he had a contract and then they waited till Dalton was available.
Even after six years, Cubby wanted Tim to do 4 or 5 more movies but he himself rejected it.
connery isnt juvenile he is a man on a mission
True, he's certainly a man's man but I like Dalton because he was a truly cultivated, sophisticated ubermensch with a heart and a sense of justice. He felt like a true hero, without foregoing the dark side.
bond isnt supposed to feel like a hero at all, that's the dalton problem. he's supposed to feel like a man doing a tough job without qualms and having a little bit of fun along the way.
I guess I overstated it a bit as Dalton's Bond was more so what you describe but idk, maybe my liking of Dalton as an actor got ahead of me. I think his revenge quest in LTK is probably the best storyline in all of the movies.
i loved him in penny dreadful. but nobody can outshine eva green
Jones the Bond.
>Nightly Daltongay thread
Unspeakably based
Only reason I come to this godforsaken board and site. The Bond threads here are the best Bondposting on the internet. I deleted my MI6 account because I hate the NPC gays over there so much. They were unironically talking about black Bond like it was a sane thing to want.
>tomboy tsundere waifu
>erodere latina waifu
Daltonbros, it's unfair how good he had it.
Brosnan was a bit too much of a sissy for me to ever take his seriously as Bond.
In what way? I'd agree he looked a bit lanky in his first two but last two? He looked proper manly and cool in those and I think shed his boyish persona by then. He was nearing 50 anyway lol.
Just always seemed mad homosexual to me. Dunno.
What's your ranking of Bonds?
Cinemaphile can't handle a ladies man only a man's man
as of now im almost done with my bond rewatch ive been working on (only havent seen dalton's 2 films, but previously he was my favorite and he's next)
>best bond
Moore
>best connery films
Goldfinger > Dr. No > Thunderball
>best moore films
For your eyes only > Live and let die > A View to a kill
>best brosnan films
Goldeneye > Die another day > whatever
>best craig films
Casino royale > Quantum of solace > Skyfall
>top 5 bond films
For your eyes only > Live and let die > Goldeneye > Goldeneye > A view to a kill
probably going to repost this and edit in the dalton films once i'm done and see where his 2 films land in my top 5, i hard a hard time coming up with the 5th one, view to a kill seems like a weird inclusion but honestly it was the moore bond i most enjoyed on my recent watch besides LALD/FYEO, so its potentially recency bias but it also felt like a breath of fresh air somehow, i was starting to feel burned out with moore bonds a bit but it brought me back.
NPC safe edgy choice for kewl kids.
Can you reword your critique in terms that aren't just an assembly of buzzwords?
For me, it's still Connery.
I'm starting to think Dalton is not the best bond, but his movies are the best bond movies.
Who's the best one?
That's Craig, you baiting psychotic.
In my opinion, Brosnan