>black people invented rock'n'roll
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>I get to reply to this 500 post thread first.
>I can be honest, or say something so fricking stupid that it forces the thread into a spiral.
This is too much pressure, OP.
You did just fine.
You blew it, moron.
absolute fricking moron
nice bait
Even AC/DC had a song about this.
In the beginning
Back in 1955
Man didn't know 'bout a rock 'n' roll show
And all that jive
The white man had the schmaltz
The black man had the blues
No one knew what they was gonna do
But Tschaikovsky had the news, he said
Let there be sound, and there was sound
Let there be light, and there was light
Let there be drums, there was drums
Let there be guitar, there was guitar
Oh, let there be rock!
Thanks, now I have the riff stuck in my head now. Absolute banger
how do boomers listen to this cringy shit? if the lyrics weren't gay enough, the vocals are like a squawking bird being put through a meat grinder.
nobody cared about lyrics or vacals. guitar riffs were all that mattered. at least for early albums. they even had some instrumental only
Well it rocks
Black people invented death and black metal
Black people invented everything and everyone prior to the 20th century was black.
Is that what this movie say?
Chuck Berry was important of course and all the old blues and jazz players. But the only people that really invented the music are the ones that invented the instruments. Folk songs, shanties and bards are existed forever. Sing them with a loud guitar and drums and you have rock music. No one invented it.
This cope. Why do you even care so much?
Its not you idiot, its me explaining reality to your simple polarised brain.
>The one who invented the music are the ones who invented the instruments
Magnificent cope.
Music has always been derivative and the Out of Africa theory is bullshit. “Music” wasn’t invented by any particular group, but rather an amalgamation of humanity. Rock n Roll was a group effort.
this
White people created string instruments so whites created rock and roll
it is moronic
Even hip hop was first done by white people (flyting)
Black folk need to claim as many inventions as they can because they've done nothing worth celebrating.
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/who-invented-the-electric-guitar/
Rock'n'roll was a result of cooperation. Black people had blues. Rock'n'roll takes a lot from it. However it also uses classical music themes dating back to Wagner or Bach. It's in fact black and white music.
saw some documentary which referenced church songs as influence and then traced those songs back to churches in Scotland and played songs that sounding nothing like blues. Some say even old native american chants sound bluesy.
My point is, as a musician you can experiment around and make all types of stuff that sounds like things youve never heard. theres no such thing as one person inventing something and everything similar going back to them. I listen back to some things I made on the fricking playstation and some of it is dubstep before dubstep supposedly exited. Do I invent it? No. Its just electronic music with a bassline at a certain speed.
>its so bad that now feeling nostalgic for that Dubstep crap
I am old..
>Black people invented rock'n'roll
ok
>They did
Ok fine
>Black people invented it
No one is saying they didn't
>The white man didn't invent it
Ok
>NOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
I think I do, Black people invented rock'n'roll, right?
>NOOOOOO THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT
Ok like what?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO
educate yourself in black music, you racist.
>When reddit proves Cinemaphiles point again
I cant tell if this is legit or irony at this point.
Blacks invented it and whites sanitized it. But the real issue is the fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever. This only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics, instead, are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. In a sense, the Beatles are emblematic of the status of rock criticism as a whole: too much attention paid to commercial phenomena and too little to the merits of real musicians.
You typed a lot of shit and said nothing -- well, aside from the typical bemoaning of whites.
Incel vibes.
What? I'm right. The Beatles came at the height of the reaction against rock and roll, when the innocuous "teen idols", rigorously white, were replacing the wild black rockers who had shocked the radio stations and the conscience of half of America. Their arrival represented a lifesaver for a white middle class terrorized by the idea that within rock and roll lay a true revolution of customs. The Beatles tranquilized that vast section of the population and conquered the hearts of all those (first and foremost the females) who wanted to rebel, without violating the social status quo. The contorted and lascivious faces of the black rock and rollers were substituted by the innocent smiles of the Beatles; the unleashed rhythms of the first were substituted by the catchy tunes of the latter. Rock and roll could finally be included in the pop charts. The Beatles represented the quintessential reaction to a musical revolution in the making, and for a few years they managed to run its enthusiasm into the ground. Furthermore, the Beatles represented the reaction against a social and political revolution. They arrived at the time of the student protests, of Bob Dylan, of the Hippies, and they replaced the image of angry kids, fists in the air, with their cordial faces and amiable declarations. They came to replace the accusatory words of militant musicians with overindulgent nursery rhymes. Thus the Beatles served as middle-class tranquilizers, as if to prove the new generation was not made up exclusively of rebels, misfits and sex maniacs.
Blacks invented LSD aswell.
That's not the reason though. If you listen to their stuff, they're essentially the first popular "modern" sounding rock band. Everything else at the time is still heavily showing its early rock influences. They started taking things in a different direction despite having the same influences.
Along with the other Mersey beat groups I should say, though they were at the forefront, and in some cases the most innovative.
The Beatles are considered great and were popular because the % of bangers per album was crazy high. Every second song was a chart dominating hit. The 4 brits were better musicians than any rock and roll band before them, cope.
>muh sales
Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great musician like Tim Buckley, who never sold much, and commercial products like the Beatles. At such a time, rock critics will study their rock history and understand which artists accomplished which musical feat, and which simply exploited it commercially.
Is the gypsy from your picture supposed to be related to your question somehow?
They did. Pinetop's Boogie Woogie 1929 or whatever. YOU'RE WELCOME
Look if you havnt sucked off a black man AND swallowed his cum you LITERALLY have no right to act like you are one of their allies!
I liked the movie 🙂
Black person LOVER!!1
>Hello, I’m Johnny Cash.
Hi, Johnny.
*folsom prison blues begins playing*
>Black people invented rock'n'roll
If they didn't invent it they had a major hand in forming and shaping the genre, that's undeniable.
Rock and roll has it's origins in rhythm and blues, jazz, country and folk music. It wouldn't exist without black people. This makes /misc/cels seethe for some reason.
>If they didn't invent it they had a major hand in forming and shaping the genre, that's undeniable.
Yes I said this and reddit still seethed.
You are wrong about folk music, thats existed before the US did. Like I said. Play simple songs loud with guitars you have rock music its not rocket science.
>You are wrong about folk music.
I copy and pasted the genre origin from the wikipedia page about rock'n'roll.
>israelitepedia as a source
your own liberal indoctrination colleges tell you not to do this
This is Cinemaphile, I don't really think you can be elitist about sources here. Half the time people just base things off their gut or make shit up.
>Wikipedia rock n roll
>Im having a debate online!
That's your go to for your rock n roll knowledge?
For a music genre classification? Sure.
That you know jack shit about. You get involved in debates you know nothing about. Reflect on your poor character as a person.
If you have an issue with the genre breakdown I provided, provide a better/ more accurate one and stop wasting my time.
if we're being reductionist incels about it, western "black music" owes everything to the musical invention of whites and their instruments. the fact that black music was promoted for a short era somewhere in the middle of the centuries-long timeline of white musical ingenuity is incidental, and to claim that white people owe the invention of their own music to blacks is at best ignorantly disingenuous and at worse purposely subversive.
>Black people can't claim their contributions to the evolution of the music scene because white people invented instruments
This is like saying white people can't claim a single book they've ever written because paper was made by Chinese people. It's moronic, and not at all a response to what I said, which is that black people were monumental in shaping the genre, which they were and can't really be denied.
Ah the whataboutism and false equivalency, we know your kind. It can be denied. Im denying it right now.
I could give a 5 year old an electric guitar and distortion pedal, teach them a few chords and they'd "invent" rock music in no time. I doubt you even play anything.
>NO NO NO!! WHITE people invented rock and roll!!! We invented the instruments!!
>I bet you can't even play an instrument!!
You're getting real mad for someone who has yet to discredit my initial claims, sorry but black people shaped the genre, so much so that you can even argue that they invented it. I don't get Cinemaphile's obsession about turning everything into a race war.
>Black people can't claim their contributions to the evolution of the music scene because white people invented instruments
If white people can't claim their invention of rock music then blacks can't claim any of their own contributions to western music either.
>This is like saying white people can't claim a single book they've ever written because paper was made by Chinese people. It's moronic
And now you understand why people think the "blacks are responsible for rock and roll" argument is moronic.
I think it's a bit like basketball. Nobody denies blacks are great at it, but they didn't invent it.
That said its stupid to pin the progression of rock 'n' roll on either or because it was a give and take all the way. The africans had rhythm but couldn't into melody while the europeans had melody but couldn't as much into rhythm. The combination of both is what made modern music.
>Rock and roll has it's origins in rhythm and blues, jazz, country and folk music
Guess what those genres have their "origins" in you fricking moron.
Most of black American music is basically them copying lower class west England and Celtic bar antics, then repeating it a million times until some israelite with a record company set them up with top of the line equipment and told them to focus on songs that pulled on middle class empathy and promoted anti puritanical Sensibilities.
Everybody wants to talk about how rock came from blues, but nobody wants to talk about blues 100% came from Southern folk music and hymns
>black people invented rock'n'roll
And white people made it good.
like most biographies of singers they just end up looking like a vegas impersonator
Black people invented whites
t. Yakub
>blacks invented literally the worst musical genre
Congratulations
white people invented all modern musical instruments
But they did. Rock music comes from hardships, at least real one and the blackies had the worst shitty time and made Mississippi Blues and all that.
>Metal gets created in late 60s
>First all black metal band comes out more than 15 years later
>Write no memorable songs
>Have no cultural significance or impact on the metal scene
>DUDE BLACK PEOPLE INVENTED HEAVY METAL
Shut the frick up and stop talking about shit you know nothing about.
Not that guy, but he said nothing about metal. You guys are really good at winning arguments against made up points.
Black Death rules but they certainly didn't invent anything
Is that why they stole music from the poor Scots and Irish?
>blacks supposedly invent rock n' roll
>they have no groups that are greatest of the genre
Kind of pathetic.
many such cases
I'm gonna let them have it, too bad they never invented the wheel
>every time Elvis sang he was flashing back to this time he peeped on some black people fricking
I mean, it's not like a claim like that can be denied or deboonked.
Is the film actually any good?
HOLY SHIT IVE GOTTEN THE CAPTCHA WRONG 6 TIMES IN A ROW FOR THIS SHITTY POST
Is Baz Luhrmann so no is the answer.
it's entertaining, the performances are good- particularly Butler.
I expected the civil rights angle to annoy me more but it wasn't that egregious, and kind of just evaporates after the first act. A lot of tacky cinematography choices, like big newspaper overlays that seem straight out of Powerpoint. I'm personally glad to have seen it, but I have a gifted moviepass and watch shit "for free".
Is it something you need to watch at the cinema or can you just wait for s home release?
Soundtrack might benefit from surround sound, visuals less so. If you've got good speakers or headphones you can wait it out, I'd say.
Thanks broseph
Jimmie Rodgers: 1927
Robert Johnson: 1936
The Carter Family: 1927
Ella Fitzgerald: 1933
Hank Williams: 1939
Chuck Berry: 1955
Bill Haley: 1949
Little Richard: 1956
Buddy Holly: 1955
James Brown: 1958
To top it off, white people don't care. It's just about having fun. But black people are incapable of joy. That's why they are all conformists and their music today is an ugly act of hostility, all of it.
>black people invented rock'n'roll
where?
^^^^^ This is what Elvis and a bunch of pioneers in the genre listened to when they were younger.
You need an earlier example than Black Sabbath dude, jesus
lmao look at these babyfaces with their 60ies housewife hairdos
This is such an annoying pervasive trope. Rock music came from folk music without question. Plenty of rock songs literally folk songs with drums on top.
Blues contributed but folk is literally the basis.
it's like saying black people invented "housing"
okay yeah a mud hut is technically housing but they still live in them today
Black people also invented death metal.
Qrd?
I'll happily credit black people that even though they may not have invented complete social degeneration they have perfected that beyond anybody's wildest dreams.
Any Elvis chads wanna talk about the movie or do you gays just talk about Black folk all day
I feel like the narrative kind of infantilized Elvis, like they just shoved a funnel in his poor little baby mouth and forced him to take pills.
I wanted more crazy kung fu Elvis.
I agree. They took away his agency for a run of the mil sob story and robbed us of some of his most kino moments
They did, or more specifically Ike Turner did.
But what's "black" in rock didn't last thanks tot he prog movement of the late 70s/early 80s starting with Genesis, King Crimson, Randy Rhoads, Rush, etc. who disconnected rock from its blues-based roots, and took it in a different direction.
Putting rock onto the backs of blacks is dishonest as hell, especially with as disconnected it is from blues chords and scales now. That's like giving Henry Ford's Model T credit for the way cars are now.
Rock was a mix of many styles, black and white, so... I wouldn't say anyone invented it, it was just the natural evolution of things.
>black people invented mud huts and AIDs
>black metal
>all white people
Genuine question, does the movie cover the fact that Elvis met his wife when she was 14 and he was stationed in Germany, he basically abducted her taking her back to Graceland, telling her parents he'd send her to school but in reality keeping her locked in his mansion as a sex slave until she was turning 18 and feared he was going to kick her out with nothing to show for it so she threatened to go to the media and the cops if he didn't marry her, or does it gloss over this and pretend it didn't happen?
shes hot and looks happy
She’s a miserable, greedy prostitute milking Elvis’s estate even after cheating on him and leaving him. Pricilla made sure she was depicted in “the right” in Baz’s movie. Even tho she contributed to many of Elvis’s problems.
>when she was 14 and he was stationed in Germany
He meets her while stationed in Germany and she comes off as being quite girlish, but he's not portrayed as a deviant rapist.
So it glosses over it and doesn't specifically mention her age. Interesting.
It was intentionally written as a run-on sentence to convey the idea that I was blurting it all out at once because of the information being discussed. I mean, there are men in prison for doing way less. Drake Bell went on trial and was publicly shamed for allowing a 15 year old girl who repeatedly sought him out to blow him, twice. Elvis basically did that plus abduction and sexual slavery including internationally transporting a minor at fourteen, and he's still called the King. I'm not even really passing judgment on his actions, I just think it's fricked up how unevenly outrage is handed out over these sorts of things.
When I was 15 I lost my virginity to a 15 year old.
Lock me up, judge, wtf?
Elvis was in his 20's though when she was 14. Drake was in his thirties or forties.
>Drake is in his forties.
>Drake Bell went on trial and was publicly shamed for allowing a 15 year old girl who repeatedly sought him out to blow him, twice.
No evidence came out that Drake ever did anything sexual with that lying c**t. Just some “inappropriate” texts.
Your grammar is atrocious
Only trannies complain about grammar on Cinemaphile.
the only good black rock song is cult of personality and the album was produced by mick jagger and the band never did anything good again
Yeah I'm not watching this feces.
And wtf is that poster? Looks like a FTM bogjob.
If that's all you took from the movie then you're dumb as shit lmao
Black people have been carrying America culture for over a century.
>America
>Culture
I see ukraine flags and rainbow flag at independence day parade haha
kino of the year
>Oh boy, another thread of music history discussion in Cinemaphile!
There's a funny clip of Sum 41 in africa and they play Hey Jude for them and they don't get it at all
The Beatles suck and do do sum 41
>black people invented rock'n'roll
White people made it better.
In all honesty this film isn't anywhere nearly as woke as it could be. Elvis Presley did hang out with Black folk, did covers of Black person songs like Hound Dog, was influenced by Chuck Berrys duck walk, and was hated for playing Black person music. All of that stuff is true and it's not as if the movie claimed Elvis ever stole or took any undue credit.
Only /tvpol/ could make a whole fricking thread crying about black people rather than how extremely boring the movie was.
>Black person plays the same riff for 50 years that he also stole from another black player
blackbros...
Would rock and roll exist without blacks. Probably.
Would rock and roll exist without whites. Definitely not.