Black person there’s always been appealing to the masses “trash cinema”. 90s had disaster movies, 80s had slasher movies. This generation has capeshit. Home theaters and the streaming model has done more damage to “cinema” than the MCU.
The damage is Disney, not the Marvel movies alone. The profit distribution to cinemas and the scheming to maximize the number of screens with their movies is making it hard for cinemas and other studios to compete and succeed.
This is probably what is going to be the only model for non-disney movies in the future.
There is an irony, since the government already had to step in when studios literally owned cinemas. Now Disney effectively owns cinemas and I doubt there is any appetite to try to stop the way they operate.
>Awful writing >Awful scripts >Awful cinematography >Awful CGI >No creativity or passion
No. These movies are awful. They're absolute tripe.
This isn't a new thing. There has always been trash cinema and scapegoats for trash cinema. This is no different than all the Nightmare on Elm Street movies, or the James Bond films of the 70s.
>Back then there was actual room for challenging cinema.
No there wasn't, you fricking tard. Challenging cinema was in the shadows then, it's in the shadows now. Don't pretend you were gobbling up highbrow arthouse shit in theaters back in the 90s.
Everyone loves stupid movies, that's why Hollywood has churned them out for most of a century. Why do you come to Cinemaphile to huff your own farts Fa/tv/irgin?
The issue isn’t the films, it’s what they’ve done to the industry. Theaters can’t allocate screens to smaller films bc Disney sets so many terms abt screenings, studios are only funding franchise films, & now we have the toxic concept of a creatively homogenous cinematic universe
If you want real "art" movies are not really where you should be looking anyway. Nothing that flim has produced has really lived up to the standards held up by the western canon.
There is nothing to recover from. They made a product that people wanted to see, and it made all of the money. The real problem has nothing to do with the MCU itself, it has to do with all of these other studios trying (and failing) to replicate its success and exposing their own monumental incompetence in doing so. Everyone wants a piece of that cinematic universe pie, but so far nobody else seems to have the patience or the vision the actually pull it off, not even the ones that already STARTED OFF with the perfect material for one such as DC and Star Wars.
Everyone else weirdly keeps making the same mistake: they all keep trying to throw a bunch of random directors at their projects with no oversight or collaboration and assuming that a coherent cinematic universe will just form itself with no further effort. The MCU, meanwhile, has a strong hand guiding the ship and keeping things on track. This isn't rocket science, but its something everyone else consistently fricks up somehow.
The MCU on its own is fine, but boy it sure has exposed how fricking stupid most of the rest of Hollywood is.
I'm not defending capeshit, but I've seen way worse movies. Most marvel movies are like a 4/10, maybe 5/10.
Anthony Mackie was right, though - these movies are made for teenagers and China.
I think I speak for most of the board when I say we are all pretty tired of you posting about not eating shit Every. Fricking. Day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>GET OUT OF MY SAFE SPACE
2 years ago
Anonymous
No seriously, do you have ANYTHING to post about except this broken record? Is this your life?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Says the MCU shill.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not shilling anything, do you just spend the day online fighting bogeymen and shit-posting?
What a wretched existence.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm not shilling anything
The MCU movies are, at their absolutely worst, merely boring. Calling them awful is just seething about their popularity.
There is nothing to recover from. They made a product that people wanted to see, and it made all of the money. The real problem has nothing to do with the MCU itself, it has to do with all of these other studios trying (and failing) to replicate its success and exposing their own monumental incompetence in doing so. Everyone wants a piece of that cinematic universe pie, but so far nobody else seems to have the patience or the vision the actually pull it off, not even the ones that already STARTED OFF with the perfect material for one such as DC and Star Wars.
Everyone else weirdly keeps making the same mistake: they all keep trying to throw a bunch of random directors at their projects with no oversight or collaboration and assuming that a coherent cinematic universe will just form itself with no further effort. The MCU, meanwhile, has a strong hand guiding the ship and keeping things on track. This isn't rocket science, but its something everyone else consistently fricks up somehow.
The MCU on its own is fine, but boy it sure has exposed how fricking stupid most of the rest of Hollywood is.
No, you're just sucking mouse wiener. Every day and every hour.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I haven't said anything about Disney. You're posting this broken-record shit like you're some kind of Bot, and I ask you, Why?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>backpedaling
Too late to delete your shilling posts, son.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which or my posts do you believe you are bravely fighting against schizo-Anon? Can you point them out to us?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm only one of those posters, anon and its not the anon you are replying to. Sorry you had to find out this way that Cinemaphile isn't all one guy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which or my posts do you believe you are bravely fighting against schizo-Anon? Can you point them out to us?
I love it when Mc**ts pretend not to be mad at someone not liking their awful franchise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So shitposting at random Anons is what gives you gratification? Does that seem normal to you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Laughing at morons is fun, yes. Sorry that you happen to be one, but it's not your fault. Your parents told you you were normal and see what happened 😀
2 years ago
Anonymous
As long as we've established that you're purely here to shitpost for catharsis, and are otherwise just a troll to be ignored.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no argument >only posted his self-portrait
lmfao
>:D
>ignored
Good luck with that. Your mousegod will make you fight until the end of your life. kek
Thinking people criticize marvel movies because they want to be considered serious and not because they genuinely don't care for comic book films is projecting. The world of film has a lot more to offer outside of comparatively safe and cookie cutter superhero movies.
The difference is intention of those sequels. Marvel makes a movie with the intentions of a sequel, many movies in the past didn’t and usually ended up only having sequels by chance. Movies are more encouraged to lead to more now instead of being standalone.
Inarguably. Thats the difference between a movie made in a vacuum and a movie made with the intent of being a cinematic universe,
But there are right and wrong ways to do this. In an MCU movie, the heroes casually namedrop something from the comics and move on which sends nerds into a frenzy, or you have an after-credits scene hinting at the next adventure. Other attempts at cinematic universe have been much to heavy handed, like the Dark Universe where they just plopped a character onscreen to tell you about all of the other movies they were totally going to make, or the infamous BvS scene where Wonder Woman finds a hard drive with trailers for other DC movies on it completely with logos for some fricking reason.
Special mention goes to the recent star wars movies. When the Force Awakens was made, it was obvious there would be sequels. This is Star Wars, after all, they come in 3s. Thats what they do. There were even a bunch of plot threads set up and left to dangle in the movie. But, hilariously, none of that mattered by the movies that came after that had zero interest in continuing the story that the first movie set up. How the frick does that even happen? You can't even say it was entirely the directors fault, because that means no one else was actually watching what he was doing and going "Wait, hold up, what the frick is this? This isn't the movie we hired you for."
>“If you’re going to tell me that it’s simply a matter of supply and demand and giving the people what they want, I’m going to disagree,” he wrote in the Times. “It’s a chicken-and-egg issue. If people are given only one kind of thing and endlessly sold only one kind of thing, of course they’re going to want more of that one kind of thing.”
- Martin Scorsese
>Disney buys up all the screening locations because they can afford to >Not enough people go to see smaller movies because they can't compete with the prices >Disney movies get even more views and sales >Disney buys more fricking screenings
Damn bro it's a fricking conundrum
You'd think so. They certainly have the roster of characters that, on paper at least, feel like they should have been more than a match for the MCU.
The one that really surprised me is Star Wars. DC movies wax and wane in popularity and their best showings tend to be twists and alternate versions of their main IP so I can see why extending that could be an issue. But Star Wars, as a film franchise, has been hugely popular and even the prequels were big cultural touchstones. More importantly, Star Wars isn't in direct competition with the MCU like DC is, Star Wars tickles a science fiction/space western itch rather than a capeshit itch, so a Star Wars cinematic universe should have been a cakewalk. All they had to do was make movies people wanted to see and fill in some of the unexplored (as far as non-grognards are concerned, at any rate) parts of the setting and they could just make shit up forever.
But MAN did both of those crash and burn. If it wasn't for Mandolorian Star Wars would be fricking dead now, and the DC movies just kind of stubbornly refuse to admit they are dead even as their guts are spilling out. Like the fricking Monty Python Black Knight.
Star Wars should've died with Episode 1. It's a barren, stupid franchise with no appeal besides "Muh Lightsabers". It's sci-fantasy for the 50 IQ, and frick you for caring about it.
More than anything, the MCU reveals that sequels are still hard, and Feige has somehow mastered the art of them. MCU's success deluded other studios into thinking that sequels were now easy.
I miss pic related so much bros. Will we ever go back? Frick Disney and MCU. Remember that Disney slowly fricked up Power Rangers after buying them. Then they fricked up Marvel right from the get go after purchasing them. And frick the music industry too. Remember when music was cool because of Heavy Metal, mainly Rap Metal bands like these:
Reveille - Permanent (Take a Look Around):
Reveille - Laced (Full Album Playlist):
One Minute Silence - Available in all Colors (Full Album):
Senser - infoburner:
Osiva - Malfactor:
Primer 55 - Loose:
Greedy Edna - Get it Good:
Pic related shared universe from Sony Screen Gems or Time Warner New Line Cinema was the dream. Think we’ll ever go back to the prior zeitgeist of the 90’s and 2000’s?
Don’t Dab on Power Rangers, homosexuals. Power Rangers were way more Kino, Stylish, Kung Fu, Heavy Metal, and Badass than anything from the MCU. Power Rangers are basically Wesley Snipes’ “Blade” minus the blood gore and profanity; both properties/franchises involve Guns, Swords, Blades, Grenades, Over the Top Martial Arts/Kung Fu Action, Attitude (“Teenagers With Attitude” slogan), supernatural villains and powers, and a badass soundtrack. That’s why Tobey Spidey is to this day the best, because it mimicked Power Rangers in nearly every way. To this day the 1995 Mighty Morphin Power Rangers the movie is one of the best American Kung-Fu Action Choreography Cinema masterpieces, right up there with Blade and The Crow, and the movie utilized the actors’ Martial Arts backgrounds more than Micheal J. White’s 1997 “Spawn” (Power Ranger From Hell Basically, and still a decent movie). Ivan Ooze, the villain from the 95’ Power Rangers movie is basically the Freddy Krueger of that universe. John Leguizamo’s “Clown” from Spawn, Ivan Ooze, and “Deacon Frost” from Blade are the 3 Greatest Villains of all time in cinema history (Zoomers won’t understand this). Basically if you want Kino, the Power Rangers formula of “Kung-Fu Martial Arts, Supernatural Phenomenon, and Heavy Metal/Badass “Fight” Techno soundtrack” are the way to go. This formula can also be seen in Milla Jovovich’s Best Resident Evil Movie: Apocalypse (2004) and the Matrix Movies. And let’s not forget the best and most dark seasons of Power Rangers: In Space, Lost Galaxy, Lightspeed Rescue, and Time Force (1998 - 2002) as well as Dino Thunder (2004, great action, soundtrack and compelling villain). Power Rangers the TV Show debuted in 1993, then came “The Crow” in 94’, then the 95’ Power Rangers Movie, then “Spawn” in 97’, then “Blade” in 98’. So basically Power Rangers Started it all.
>Bob Chapek mandates movies to be under 2 hours >shows bombing >movies underperforming critically and financially
And they're announcing more yearly projects with no real indication that they will be hits
It's over, at least Star Wars realized that something was wrong and decided to stop.
Black person there’s always been appealing to the masses “trash cinema”. 90s had disaster movies, 80s had slasher movies. This generation has capeshit. Home theaters and the streaming model has done more damage to “cinema” than the MCU.
Back then there was actual room for challenging cinema. Now there's nothing.
Because everything else is on streaming.
The damage is Disney, not the Marvel movies alone. The profit distribution to cinemas and the scheming to maximize the number of screens with their movies is making it hard for cinemas and other studios to compete and succeed.
This is probably what is going to be the only model for non-disney movies in the future.
There is an irony, since the government already had to step in when studios literally owned cinemas. Now Disney effectively owns cinemas and I doubt there is any appetite to try to stop the way they operate.
This isn't a new thing. There has always been trash cinema and scapegoats for trash cinema. This is no different than all the Nightmare on Elm Street movies, or the James Bond films of the 70s.
Yes but it was never to this extent. Disney practically has bought out everything now.
>Back then there was actual room for challenging cinema.
No there wasn't, you fricking tard. Challenging cinema was in the shadows then, it's in the shadows now. Don't pretend you were gobbling up highbrow arthouse shit in theaters back in the 90s.
That's why you love movies that are as stupid as you.
Everyone loves stupid movies, that's why Hollywood has churned them out for most of a century. Why do you come to Cinemaphile to huff your own farts Fa/tv/irgin?
>you when
>no argument
>only posted his self-portrait
lmfao
It's not pretentious to hate on dumb movies.
Yeah, I'm sure the shit you watch is "challenging" or "artisan", you braindead c**t.
Yes
They have quite literally saved cinema multiple times
What "damage"?
The issue isn’t the films, it’s what they’ve done to the industry. Theaters can’t allocate screens to smaller films bc Disney sets so many terms abt screenings, studios are only funding franchise films, & now we have the toxic concept of a creatively homogenous cinematic universe
Brain damaged it induces in viewers.
*damage
>makes a typo when talking about stupid people
The fricking irony...
I don't think you know what irony is, anon.
>tries to make a passing judgement on viewers' intelligence
>makes typo and looks stupid
That's how irony works, you moron.
If you want real "art" movies are not really where you should be looking anyway. Nothing that flim has produced has really lived up to the standards held up by the western canon.
Hollywood was dead already, OP.
There is nothing to recover from. They made a product that people wanted to see, and it made all of the money. The real problem has nothing to do with the MCU itself, it has to do with all of these other studios trying (and failing) to replicate its success and exposing their own monumental incompetence in doing so. Everyone wants a piece of that cinematic universe pie, but so far nobody else seems to have the patience or the vision the actually pull it off, not even the ones that already STARTED OFF with the perfect material for one such as DC and Star Wars.
Everyone else weirdly keeps making the same mistake: they all keep trying to throw a bunch of random directors at their projects with no oversight or collaboration and assuming that a coherent cinematic universe will just form itself with no further effort. The MCU, meanwhile, has a strong hand guiding the ship and keeping things on track. This isn't rocket science, but its something everyone else consistently fricks up somehow.
The MCU on its own is fine, but boy it sure has exposed how fricking stupid most of the rest of Hollywood is.
>The MCU on its own is fine
No. They're all awful awful movies.
>t.DCuck
The MCU movies are, at their absolutely worst, merely boring. Calling them awful is just seething about their popularity.
>Awful writing
>Awful scripts
>Awful cinematography
>Awful CGI
>No creativity or passion
No. These movies are awful. They're absolute tripe.
>t.reddit
Cape movies are pure reddit. What the frick are you on?
They are just for normies, literally every post about capeshit on reddit is just spouting the exact same nonsense you said to try act superior
I'm not defending capeshit, but I've seen way worse movies. Most marvel movies are like a 4/10, maybe 5/10.
Anthony Mackie was right, though - these movies are made for teenagers and China.
this is just cope
Cope for what? Not eating shit?
I think I speak for most of the board when I say we are all pretty tired of you posting about not eating shit Every. Fricking. Day.
>GET OUT OF MY SAFE SPACE
No seriously, do you have ANYTHING to post about except this broken record? Is this your life?
Says the MCU shill.
I'm not shilling anything, do you just spend the day online fighting bogeymen and shit-posting?
What a wretched existence.
>I'm not shilling anything
No, you're just sucking mouse wiener. Every day and every hour.
I haven't said anything about Disney. You're posting this broken-record shit like you're some kind of Bot, and I ask you, Why?
>backpedaling
Too late to delete your shilling posts, son.
Which or my posts do you believe you are bravely fighting against schizo-Anon? Can you point them out to us?
I'm only one of those posters, anon and its not the anon you are replying to. Sorry you had to find out this way that Cinemaphile isn't all one guy.
I love it when Mc**ts pretend not to be mad at someone not liking their awful franchise.
So shitposting at random Anons is what gives you gratification? Does that seem normal to you?
Laughing at morons is fun, yes. Sorry that you happen to be one, but it's not your fault. Your parents told you you were normal and see what happened 😀
As long as we've established that you're purely here to shitpost for catharsis, and are otherwise just a troll to be ignored.
>ignored
Good luck with that. Your mousegod will make you fight until the end of your life. kek
>mousegod
Take your meds already.
>:D
>Calling them awful is just seething about their popularity.
This.
Thinking people criticize marvel movies because they want to be considered serious and not because they genuinely don't care for comic book films is projecting. The world of film has a lot more to offer outside of comparatively safe and cookie cutter superhero movies.
The difference is intention of those sequels. Marvel makes a movie with the intentions of a sequel, many movies in the past didn’t and usually ended up only having sequels by chance. Movies are more encouraged to lead to more now instead of being standalone.
Inarguably. Thats the difference between a movie made in a vacuum and a movie made with the intent of being a cinematic universe,
But there are right and wrong ways to do this. In an MCU movie, the heroes casually namedrop something from the comics and move on which sends nerds into a frenzy, or you have an after-credits scene hinting at the next adventure. Other attempts at cinematic universe have been much to heavy handed, like the Dark Universe where they just plopped a character onscreen to tell you about all of the other movies they were totally going to make, or the infamous BvS scene where Wonder Woman finds a hard drive with trailers for other DC movies on it completely with logos for some fricking reason.
Special mention goes to the recent star wars movies. When the Force Awakens was made, it was obvious there would be sequels. This is Star Wars, after all, they come in 3s. Thats what they do. There were even a bunch of plot threads set up and left to dangle in the movie. But, hilariously, none of that mattered by the movies that came after that had zero interest in continuing the story that the first movie set up. How the frick does that even happen? You can't even say it was entirely the directors fault, because that means no one else was actually watching what he was doing and going "Wait, hold up, what the frick is this? This isn't the movie we hired you for."
>“If you’re going to tell me that it’s simply a matter of supply and demand and giving the people what they want, I’m going to disagree,” he wrote in the Times. “It’s a chicken-and-egg issue. If people are given only one kind of thing and endlessly sold only one kind of thing, of course they’re going to want more of that one kind of thing.”
- Martin Scorsese
>some old wop
go home, grandpa. here's some spaghetti.
>No arguments
>Disney buys up all the screening locations because they can afford to
>Not enough people go to see smaller movies because they can't compete with the prices
>Disney movies get even more views and sales
>Disney buys more fricking screenings
Damn bro it's a fricking conundrum
Sounds like cinema would be dead if it wasn't for Marvel
Basically. Top Gun would have been a streaming release if not for the MCU.
The DCEU should be on top
You'd think so. They certainly have the roster of characters that, on paper at least, feel like they should have been more than a match for the MCU.
The one that really surprised me is Star Wars. DC movies wax and wane in popularity and their best showings tend to be twists and alternate versions of their main IP so I can see why extending that could be an issue. But Star Wars, as a film franchise, has been hugely popular and even the prequels were big cultural touchstones. More importantly, Star Wars isn't in direct competition with the MCU like DC is, Star Wars tickles a science fiction/space western itch rather than a capeshit itch, so a Star Wars cinematic universe should have been a cakewalk. All they had to do was make movies people wanted to see and fill in some of the unexplored (as far as non-grognards are concerned, at any rate) parts of the setting and they could just make shit up forever.
But MAN did both of those crash and burn. If it wasn't for Mandolorian Star Wars would be fricking dead now, and the DC movies just kind of stubbornly refuse to admit they are dead even as their guts are spilling out. Like the fricking Monty Python Black Knight.
Star Wars should've died with Episode 1. It's a barren, stupid franchise with no appeal besides "Muh Lightsabers". It's sci-fantasy for the 50 IQ, and frick you for caring about it.
More than anything, the MCU reveals that sequels are still hard, and Feige has somehow mastered the art of them. MCU's success deluded other studios into thinking that sequels were now easy.
These movies would be better if Scarlett Johansson was Naked
>cinema
Wrong board
gayget
I miss pic related so much bros. Will we ever go back? Frick Disney and MCU. Remember that Disney slowly fricked up Power Rangers after buying them. Then they fricked up Marvel right from the get go after purchasing them. And frick the music industry too. Remember when music was cool because of Heavy Metal, mainly Rap Metal bands like these:
Reveille - Permanent (Take a Look Around):
Reveille - Laced (Full Album Playlist):
One Minute Silence - Available in all Colors (Full Album):
Senser - infoburner:
Osiva - Malfactor:
Primer 55 - Loose:
Greedy Edna - Get it Good:
Pic related shared universe from Sony Screen Gems or Time Warner New Line Cinema was the dream. Think we’ll ever go back to the prior zeitgeist of the 90’s and 2000’s?
>pic related
>shows/games for preschoolers and manchildren
Let me guess. You never emotionally matured after the year 2005?
>Calls Power Rangers a show for preschoolers
Not him but, Since when is Power Rangers the same thing as Paw Patrol? Gain some perspective
>Power Rangers a show for preschoolers
Always has been. Back in elementary, every kid I knew thought PR was a baby show.
Let me school you for a moment you ingrate...
Don’t Dab on Power Rangers, homosexuals. Power Rangers were way more Kino, Stylish, Kung Fu, Heavy Metal, and Badass than anything from the MCU. Power Rangers are basically Wesley Snipes’ “Blade” minus the blood gore and profanity; both properties/franchises involve Guns, Swords, Blades, Grenades, Over the Top Martial Arts/Kung Fu Action, Attitude (“Teenagers With Attitude” slogan), supernatural villains and powers, and a badass soundtrack. That’s why Tobey Spidey is to this day the best, because it mimicked Power Rangers in nearly every way. To this day the 1995 Mighty Morphin Power Rangers the movie is one of the best American Kung-Fu Action Choreography Cinema masterpieces, right up there with Blade and The Crow, and the movie utilized the actors’ Martial Arts backgrounds more than Micheal J. White’s 1997 “Spawn” (Power Ranger From Hell Basically, and still a decent movie). Ivan Ooze, the villain from the 95’ Power Rangers movie is basically the Freddy Krueger of that universe. John Leguizamo’s “Clown” from Spawn, Ivan Ooze, and “Deacon Frost” from Blade are the 3 Greatest Villains of all time in cinema history (Zoomers won’t understand this). Basically if you want Kino, the Power Rangers formula of “Kung-Fu Martial Arts, Supernatural Phenomenon, and Heavy Metal/Badass “Fight” Techno soundtrack” are the way to go. This formula can also be seen in Milla Jovovich’s Best Resident Evil Movie: Apocalypse (2004) and the Matrix Movies. And let’s not forget the best and most dark seasons of Power Rangers: In Space, Lost Galaxy, Lightspeed Rescue, and Time Force (1998 - 2002) as well as Dino Thunder (2004, great action, soundtrack and compelling villain). Power Rangers the TV Show debuted in 1993, then came “The Crow” in 94’, then the 95’ Power Rangers Movie, then “Spawn” in 97’, then “Blade” in 98’. So basically Power Rangers Started it all.
Is this a copypasta or are you serious?
>Bob Chapek mandates movies to be under 2 hours
>shows bombing
>movies underperforming critically and financially
And they're announcing more yearly projects with no real indication that they will be hits
It's over, at least Star Wars realized that something was wrong and decided to stop.