Could Nolan ever top Inception ? The prestige was great. Yea, I'm not including capeshit but he seems off his game atm imo
Could Nolan ever top Inception ? The prestige was great.
Could Nolan ever top Inception ? The prestige was great. Yea, I'm not including capeshit but he seems off his game atm imo
Tenet was awesome, but Dunkirk and Oppenheimer sucked major asssssss
I think that Dunkirk is actually his best recent film because of the dogfight sequences alone. To me, that's the sort of thing that justifies shooting in IMAX as opposed to Oppenheimer which is just a boring courtroom drama.
I enjoyed it the most. I love how epic the setting is and how small and intimate he makes different scenes. It kind of zooms in and out between the individual people and the nations at war very elegantly.
Tenet was absolute trash because they didn't cast Pattinson as the lead. Dunkirk is really good but they used a load of French people as extras for British soldiers so kinds ruined it. Oppenheimer was far too long
Tenet was a real misstep. No clue how so many people defend it
Nolan got mind tricked into thinking he could make a movie without a good lead. The funny thing is Pattinson was right fricking there.
Tenet got memoryholed and fast. He probably wants to forget all about it. Not only Pattinson but a Golden Globe winning ATJ in there too. Make those two the leads and you have a great movie but no he went with.....that. God.
>Tenet was awesome
Wrong,
This is the only sensible opinion to have of Nolan in the present day.
Tenet was dogshit, anon.
>Tenet was awesome
I wouldn't know because I couldn't get through half an hour of it without turning it off. The editing is all moronic (can anyone tell me whether there was some last minute decision to change the narrative or something? Because the editing felt extremely rushed) and the score was weirdly uncanny and often didn't seem to fit what was on screen. In fact on that note I can't recall there being a single scene with more than a few second's silence on the musical front.
>Because the editing felt extremely rushed
To me it felt like they didn't go into the editing process with a solid idea of how to present the narrative. As if they had planned out what scenes they wanted, but not necessarily how to order everything.
Dunkirk > Oppenheimen > Tenih
fpwp
Tenet could've been cool (like the concept of a bad guy working together with his anti-self) instead it was just fricking confusing and comical
Dunkirk was a major snorefest, i dont care how pretty it looked
Oppy was actually good
Tenet was too confusing, also had terrible audio mixing where you couldn't hear what anyone was saying at most times. Pattinson was the only good thing about that movie.
memento is way better.
memento > everything else
I believe so but not sure why he peaked so hard with The Dark Knight and Inception. homie busted through the roof then fell down fast
Kind of a controversial take but Dunkirk was his greatest work, specifically because it downplayed all of his usual shortcombings related to character drama and plot. It just lets him play freely with his favorite editing gimmicks and focus solely on visual action-suspense.
I agree with you 100%. The most thematically complicated thing about Dunkirk is how everyone is essentially fighting the same war with different frames of reference in terms of perception of time (one hour, one day, one week). Apart from that, it's just a straightforward war/action movie with multiple great set pieces.
God forbid he just does a normal war movie.
The time dilation is really poorly setup as a framework, though. They dont really make it very clear until most of the way through the film tbqh and I didnt think it was really necessary and muddied the story of the characters (what little there was)
worst movie I've ever seen
>Dunkirk was terribly boring and cliched.
nolan said "it made the veterans of dunkirk cry and that's enough for me" pretty much sums up the film it's jerking off the soldiers. yeah dunkirk was fricking moronic it's everything that makes non-white guys roll their eyes at us
>LOOK AT THESE TWINKS
>THE MISERY OOOOOOOOO
>IMAGINE THE PAIN OOOOOOOOOO
>THE HORROR THE HORROR
>THEY DID THIS FOR US
>THEY HAD NO CHOICE
i fricking hate the characters. pretentious eyes in the clouds stoic tough-guy shit thru and thru...
film to compare it to is of course apocalypse now particularly this scene
this all fits nicely into my pet "biloxi blues is 100% misunderstood" argument... dunkirk is the exact film that BB is shitting all over
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"why can't war be fun? do we have to feel sorry for these guys?"
Holy shit shut the frick up you sperg
kys r*ddit Black person
It's his most well-rounded film. I think maybe his James Bond film could top it considering he's probably been thinking about it since he was a child.
A lot of people feel this way. Sometimes I do as well.
lmao, that anon at
butchered your take
the prestige = memento >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.
>inb4 you're wrong
it's his only movies where the story perfectly sticks with the storytelling methods. rest of his filmo is fake deep, trite bullshit.
No.
Also, Cillian Murphy's character in Inception is one of the most tragic characters in all of film but nobody ever addresses that.
explain how, he just came off as some rich kid who got cucked out of money
>explain how, he just came off as some rich kid who got cucked out of money
What if I told you the entire movie was from the viewpoint of the father?
I'd say you're wrong
>I'd say you're wrong
It's true though, the entire movie is a dream from the father.
> What if I told you the entire movie was from the viewpoint of the father?
What does that even mean?
The father doesn’t know who Mal, Ariadne, Cobb and Arthur are.
He doesn’t know any of these nobodies and he does halfway through the movie.
How can the entire movie be from his viewpoint?
>born rich, but it's meaningless because his father didn't give a frick about him
>mother died when he was a child
>mistreated and abused by the father he wanted desperately to please
>so traumatized he whines about his daddy issues in the middle of being kidnapped
>He's the only person standing in the way of some evil Japanese man wanting to build a global monopoly
>Jap pays a bunch of buttholes to rape his mind
>falls under the delusion that his father cared about him even knowing deep down it wasn't true
>gets cucked out of his money so rich Jap can get even richer
Interesting take but the lie made him content
Until he destroys his entire life and wakes up to his own delusion. At least before his mindrape he might have had money to keep him content, after the mindrape he won't even have that. The movie foreshadows this because despite being a billionaire he apparently has to pick up his own luggage.
That and he has to live in a world where one Jap is allowed to monopolize everything, for all we know he could keep fricking with this guy even more, he certainly has the power too (or might, if Leo manages to unfrick his brain after he ended up limbo or whatever).
Pretty sure he would cash out the company not just give it all away so he'd still be rich
There's no telling he's in the clear since the only other case of inception in the film went nuts. They say the ideas can grow to destroy you. At any rate it's not in anyone's interest to live a lie.
I forgot about that, good point.
The idea planted in her brain was a different thing actually, your father loves you".
She spent what she thought were decades in the dream and the idea planted was "this isn't real" so she would leave. But the idea remained when she was out as her husband couldn't remove it. That's why she killed herself, she thought real life was the dream. She died due to a botched job.
I thought he was going to try to break it all up and then go on his own, which he would subsequently frick up because his father probably had good reason to be disappointed in him (something he knew, all mindrape aside).
Also he (probably) paid good money to make sure his dreams weren't tampered with and it failed, everyone fricks this guy over.
He didn't get cucked out of any money. They convinced him his father loved him, which caused him to SELL the airline to the jap guy. He got paid, and now he thinks his father loved him. He saw no reason to keep his fathers business going since all he ever wanted was the love. Yes, his belief is based on a lie. But he's happy, and he has millions/billions from selling the airline
Its a heist movie where the victim actually feels better afterward. Its weird, but it works
>They convinced him his father loved him, which caused him to SELL the airline to the jap guy.
I think you need to rewatch the film....
His company wasn't an airline, the jap guy buying the airline was a throwaway line for them setting up the scene on the plane.
if he actually hated kobayashi that bad he wouldn't want to forgive him.
the only other case of inception was incepted to become a schizo reality denier and that situation was completely different
Cobb didn't anticipate that the idea wouldn't go away once she woke up, Fischer's idea could be similarly destructive because it's designed to be vague and has no reason to go away once he does what they intend him to. He could take it to mean that he is to go off and become a man without his father's legacy and donate it all, he may even become unable to tolerate working with others because he feels his destiny is to make his own lot. The point is he's not actually entirely his own person anymore, they didn't perform psychiatry on him, they buried a lie in his head.
Cobb didn't have much choice the first time and didn't know what he was doing. You might have a point about living a lie if the psychology of family dynamics weren't so irrational to begin with. Most people would accept the kind of lie that lets you think of your dead relative and yourself as better people.
If any kind of evidence comes up in the future that his father didn't feel the way he thought it has the capacity to shatter his identity.
good thing the lie was an extremely minor adjustment of facts nobody outside the principal actually cared about, and his dad is dead.
They didn't just plant the idea out of nowhere, they built it from some real memory, a picture of him with his father during a happy time. Can't remember the whole dynamic now, but it's not like he never loved him, they just grew distant. The memory of love is real, they just augmented it.
>they planted a lie inside his brain
coulda just said that
A good video on it.
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>Could Nolan ever top Inception ?
Inception is great, and you captured the essence of what the movie is about: it's not a caper flick.
Oppenheimer is his best work.
flavor of the month nolanslop.
Frick no the writing was SOOOOO SHIT
I only went for the cool nuke history (which I already knew) and the giga sized real film imax meme. Worth
Inception is his definitive movie, it has all his trademarks wrapped into one. I don't think he will ever "top it" in that sense
Inception>Tenet>Memento>Insomnia>Oppenheimer>The Prestige>Dunkirk>The Dark Knight>The Dark Knight Rises>Batman Begins
where is the following?
HOLY PLEB
The Prestige>>>>
>>>>>rest
its super hard to do
Inception destroyed Nolan. All of his films after that have been chasing the same formula of high concept sci-fi action with overambitious ideas and loud, manipulative visuals and sound design that gives a false sense of depth. He’s become a slave to that reputation.
Or maybe that’s just how he likes to make movies?
>Dunkirk
>high concept sci-fi action with overambitious ideas and loud, manipulative visuals
It's Memento, the last time he made an actual movie and not a meme 'Nolan movie'.
Interstellar is better than Inception
Earthshit ruins it
I ageee.
>Could Nolan ever top Inception ?
complicated question, because inception is pseud dogshit, but it's probably the best nolan can do because he's a terrible writer.
he already did with Memento
Memento and The Prestige are his best movies.
How do we tell Nolan to stop writing dialogues?
How to fix TENET :
>make the protagonist be Branagh's son
>he has to stop his own abusive father
>he has to help his mother (sexual tension)
>in the end he founds the very organization that recruits him in the future
>the same organization possibly set up the entire loop with sending Branagh info from the future
The entire thing could've been pure oedipal kino with the son defeating his father, helping his statuesque mother and becoming his own progenitor. No idea how Nolan fricked this up, it literally writes itself.
>>he has to help his mother (sexual tension)
You're hired kid.
Inception takes place in a dream and the most interesting thing he can think of to make his characters do is shoot guns at one another.
He should've put some gay clubs in there so you could relate.
That might at least have said something about the human condition.
If he had made the dreamworld some pans labyrinth shit like in “what dreams may come” it would have ruined the movie.
The concept was crazy enough without having some grounding in reality.
I'm glad he rolled with his instinctual style instead of attempting something bizarre because focus groups wanted a more profound Paprika ripoff
Nolan makes some never-weres and nitpicky contrarians seethe for some reason
>Could Nolan ever top Inception ?
I didn't think he could "top" a jerkass plot that's all exposition dialogue and about a topic he knew nothing about, but then he made "Interstellar".
cringe, overloaded film. also, tom brady just sucks and is ugly to watch at
I like Batman 🙂
I think Interstellar is on par with Inception personally, but I also think they're both 7/10 rather than great films so it isn't incredible praise
Dunkirk 10/10
Tenet 10/10
Interstellar 9/10
Oppenheimer 8,5/10
Inception 8/10
TDKR/TDK 7,5/10
Batman Begins 7/10
Following 7/10
drop most of em by 4 or 5 points
thx
Contrarianism is usually dopamine depletion anon, just admit that Nolan's movies are excellent
Now him, but how is that remotely contrarian so say most should be dropped by 4 or 5 points? If 10 is the highest you can go, would you seriously argue that Tenet is on the same level as, even higher than, or even close to as decent a film as Alien? Would you seriously argue that Dunkirk is anywhere near the quality of Das Boot? Barry Lyndon? Would you seriously even put either of the above within four points of Das Boot or Barry Lyndon? Genuine question.
*not (obviously - excuse me, I've not long woke up)
>Das Boot
Baste taste. Full cut is a legit fricking masterpiece.
Tenet is unironically the greatest action movie of all time
Better than Heat?
Better because it bookends the genre in the same way The Irishman does for mafia movies
>it bookends the genre
Like saying “it insists upon itself”
Absolutely meaningless and nonsensical
If you're an idiot, perhaps
I legit don’t get why people like heat
It goes to shit so bad in the third act
Collateral is so much better
True Lies and Terminator 2 are both better
I’m a Tenet defender but I wouldn’t call it the greatest action film of all time. It was certainly flawed. However the soundtrack was great and it dealt with interesting concepts, plus it had good practical effect set pieces.
No they're compartively lowbrow and less ambitious
Name some other "highbrow" action films.
>comparing Dunkirk to Barry Lyndon
I don't think that's a very good comparison.
This guy
Didn't compartmentalise into genres so neither am I. I'm not comparing genres but overall film quality.
Why would the other anon compartmentalize the movies when he's rating a single directors oeuvre? I have never seen anyone compartmentalize Kubrick films like you suggest.
Actor everyone recognizes but no one can name in the OP
Inception was the beginning of his downfall into jerking himself off. Visually it’s cool, but other than that it’s an extremely stupid movie.
Dunkirk was terribly boring and cliched. However, the attention to detail in terms of the equipment, airplanes etc. was cool. I believe Dunkirk is his worst film. Personally I greatly enjoyed both Tenet and Oppenheimer. He is moving into a self indulgent but interesting direction. Tenet was like a dark, Satanic, CERN meets Bond story. Oppenheimer was Nolan doing Oscarbait and yet there was so much creativity involved, like in the Terence Malick inspired detonation sequence. I like his Batman movies too but not as much as his other ones. His best movie is still The Prestige, interstellar was pretty good too. Inception is mid tier to me
admitting Dunkirk is his worst film while recognizing the small value it does have is a good enough take that you've made me consider watching tenet and sloppenheimer..
I don't think I've ever rewatched a Nolan flick except Memento
Dude i have interstellar playing as background noise almost all the time
Must have sat down and watched it entirely at least 4 times.
That’s actually a major plus about Nolan movies. Most are very rewarchable
Even Oppenheimer I’ve seen 3 times. I legitimately keep picking up on new things
>Could Nolan ever top Inception
He already did it with Interstellar and Dunkirk, and it goes like this really: The Plane Scene>Memento>The Prestige>Insomnia>Dunkirk>Interstellar>Inception>Oppenheimer>Following>Tenet>Capeshit2>Capeshit1>Capeshit3
>The Prestige
>Inception
>Interstellar
>TDK
>Begins
>TDKR
>Oppenheimer
>Tenet
>Memento
>Dunkirk
Have not seen Insomnia or Following
I remember watching Tenet in theatres and completely failing to understand the final action sequence. Even A and B time lapsed teams aside, who the frick were they shooting at?
Kenneth Branagh's private army.
Interstellar>TDK>TDKR>BB>>>The Prestige>Inception>Memento
>Don't care
Don't think I didn't see this you FRICKING moron
I don't care for the nolan tbqh, I think he's one of the most overrated mainstream directors working today
memento is a great fricking movie thank you that is all
Pete Postlethwaite died too early
insomnia - good
oppenheimer - very good
prestige - kino
inception - half good, half shit
the rest - turbo shit and one of the worst movies made in this century
Why didn't they just inplant the lie when he was awake?