DC should make a Batgirl and Robin comic starring Steph and Damian. Their dynamic is a lot of fun and feels the most sibling like out of the entire Batfamily.
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DC should make a Batgirl and Robin comic starring Steph and Damian.
Agreed
I don't get it, yo?
What's not to get?
sibling like dynamic or "sibling" like dynamic?
it's just Dick/Damian except Dick is younger and a girl
Also, dad is alive and an edgy Riddler.
Dick is too busy hanging out with Jon Kent.
Steph would be a good replacement.
They keep putting him with Damian too. And now steph is babysitting wallys kids.
>Steph and Damian
Screw that, make it Cass and Damian, they've barely interacted.
Cass isn't NEARLY as fun for Damian as Steph is because Damian can't get a rise out of Cass like he consistently can out of Steph. That's half the fun of the two of them, the way they never fail to get on each others' nerves.
Still, they're like the only relationship between the Bat-Family that hasn't really been explored, we even got Jason and Steph somewhat recently thanks to Rosenberg.
WB will see this and just make a Babsgirl and Damian book or cartoon before they ever acknowledge Steph unfortunately. Even Cass fans prefer Steph to get less than Cass.
case in point.
Babs and Cass are just that good.
you can blame the DCEU for that:
What are we blaming here exactly?
iassume the editoral push for cass to show up more following her in-name-only appearance in the birds of prey movie
it’s why I believe she’s in the latest birds of prey run
That probably is true to a degree, but at the same time, you gotta consider why they used Cass's name in the movie, even if it was a completely different character.
Cass is just generally more popular than Steph, that's why they used her name in the movie, and that's why she gets pushed more, Steph on the other hand is a leftover that only that Gotham Knights show that I actually liked wanted to use.
honestly i wouldn't be surprised if the people developing, say, batwheels or harley quinn wanted to use stephanie brown as batgirl, but then DC said "use this name + appearance + maybe relationship with commissioner gordon" thus giving us these "not quite-stephanies"
I think you're greatly overestimating how much people would want to use Steph as Batgirl in any adaptation.
Babs is the original, so she obviously gets more push, while Cass is the diversity legacy character, so she has that going for her, Steph on the other hand doesn't really have a lot going for her, they can change Barbara's personality, but Steph as Batgirl needs a lot more context, and she's not even gay or dark skinned to make it worth it, she's kinda just "the other" Batgirl.
Steph also didn't really last as Batgirl that long, she spent most of her history as Spoiler, and like I said, she's generally not as popular as Babs or Cass.
ye that can also be true
Supposedly Cass was going to be much more comics-accurate in the movie, but the higher-ups at DC/WB forced them to change it for reasons.
Because despite Cass having a very obsessive fanbase she is not marketable to mainstream audiences. The vast majority of men don't have a creepy fetish for autistic hapas and the vast majority of women don't want to self-insert as one. You have to drastically change her to make her palatable to the masses.
>The vast majority of men don't have a creepy fetish for autistic hapas
That is a lie and you know it.
From what I've heard the character was actually never even Cass, but they changed that for marketing I assume.
I think Gail Simone went on record saying that originally the Cass in the story was more like the comics, if you believe her.
>Why didn't they make her a mute kung fu asian stereotype?!
Because if more than a handful of people got exposed to her real personality, DC would bury her even harder out of embarrassment.
Tell that to gunn.
>Gunn
>Keeping a character true to their comic personality
Get ready.
He likes troubled assassin girls. He did a Cassandra like character thrice.
I cannot wait to see how hard you obnoxious homosexuals cry when Gunn makes her a quippy girlboss instead of the boring mute moron you trannies worship
Cass is a bit quippy she just can't talk. How he did mantis combined with gamora would fit well. Damian is fricked tho.
She learnt how to speak like 4 issues in. And she wasn't really moronic that's just a Co meme because she couldn't read.
What the frick were they thinking
They didn't give a shit about the other characters in a Margot Robbie vehicle.
Did anyone else ever read that fanfic where Steph cucks Tim for 17 year old Damian?
No, sauce?
steph was better as spoiler
It's weird to hang out with your brother's ex.
No weirder than all the other stuff that happens to the Batfamily on a regular basis.
Tell that to Jason...
and Cass...
and Dick...
Cass and Tim aren't siblings. Why should it matter if her and Step hang out together?
Bruce actually adopted Cass.
How did a dumb decision like that make it past the editors? Bruce adopting his teenage sidekick after loosing his parents is understandable but why the hell would he adopt a legacy spinoff character who is not only a grown ass woman who still had both her parents? Wasn't this retconned when they reset the timeline?
Kids get adopted that have living parents all the time, anon.
>why the hell would he adopt a legacy spinoff character who is not only a grown ass woman
I don't think Cass is THAT old, also, he did it because she wanted to be part of the family, she's committed to the cause, and everyone liked her, that seems like good enough reasons.
>still had both her parents?
Anon please, one of those was Shiva.
>Wasn't this retconned when they reset the timeline?
Probably, but it also probably got unretconned like most of those stupid retcons.
the meta reasons for that whole arc was pretty much a heavy handed apology to how Cass got treated after her solo, especially after IC->1 year later. In terms of narrative for a while Bruce was growing as a person and wanted to do right by all the kids he took on and make sure the operation was working right in perpetuity. Adoption changes very little in terms of the substance of the stories anyway beyond being a nice gesture and pissing off particular people for future conflicts
Bruce adopted Dick officially as a 20-something year old man a few years before that, it was more ceremonial than anything.
When you
>take responsibility for a persons well being
>fund them
>tell them who they can and can't date
You're basically a parent or guardian
Dick is a character that has been around almost as long as Batman and has decades of history with him, not some OC Mary Sue created to appeal to weebs.
bro Dick might be the original cape OC Gary Stu meant to appeal to kids and manchilds
Dick being the king of Gary Stus aside, Bruce raised and trained him for years so it's only natural he'd see him as his son. Why would he feel paternal obligation some weird ass woman running around in a gimp suit?
He met her while she was 16 and took care of her basic needs. And identified with her due to her having been raised by one of his trainers and being the most devoted to the no kill shit. It makes more sense than azrael or huntress referring to him as a paternal figure which they've done.
>ome weird ass woman running around in a gimp suit?
he made her put on the gimp suit.
Helena made the gimp suit, he gave her that because it was the last one.
he was the one who put her in the suit you dummy. If you haven't noticed Bruce has a thing for talented youngsters with sad backgrounds
Only if they have black hair. He is mean to blondes.
Tim and Cass were close-ish and both adopted. It's why there's so much weird art of all 3 or Tim-steph with cass watching
hanging out is fine and kind of expected given the context. The creepy shipping thing is the problem especially since all characters involved are above that except maybe Jason
Hey, just because Tim dropped Steph like a sack of potatoes, it doesn't mean she should be exiled from the Bat-Family, she's still a close family friend, even if Tim is gay now.
I wonder if Bernard will ever formally join the family, maybe that's when Steph should leave for good.
Tim and Damian are barely brothers. Yeah Tim got adopted but he was 16 1/2 when he was, basically 17, had already been a latchkey kid for years. When Damian finally came back to be Robin, Tim was living on his own again. And they barely have extended time living in the same roof or working together.
People who take the batfamily for sibling dynamics overestimate
I think people latch onto it because it would have made for a better dynamic than a lot of Damian's relationships as a whole and Tim's in recent years. You've got Damian, brash and arrogant, claiming the Robin title because of birthright and seeing it as a placeholder until he becomes Batman, next to Tim, serious and reserved, whose paid his dues to earn his place, and understands that being Robin has an importance of its own.
I dunno, they look like brothers to me.
Tim was adopted at 17.
He turned 16 just before Graduation Day. You had Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, and then 52 which was a i-cant-make-it-any-clearer-for-you one year time skip, and then Tim was adopted in the Face the Face OYL story. 17.
They are the most actually brotherly. As in they kick each others ass but deep down do care. They just would never admit it. And they both look up to Dick.
If Bruce can dick Barbara then it's ok for Damian to hang out with and gently walk Steph home
But people loathe Bruce doing that (and its just an au). Making steph like that would invite the same criticisms
>Babs is the original
NOBODY CARES ABOUT BETTE KANE
stop it
If it makes you feel any better, Bette did cross my mind while writing that, it's just that DC has made such an effective job at making everyone think Babs was the first, I thought I could just say that without anyone bringing up Bette.
Honestly very fricked up that DC ignores Bette, it's not like she's dead or retired, she's alive and very much interested in being a hero, they just don't care about her.
Bette sadly has like 3 fans total and has only been used as varying degrees of a joke or pathetic for decades.
>back to West Point for you!
If only Batgirls had lasted long enough for the "Batgirls break Bette out of West Point to have a tennis match with Sportsmaster with the fate of Gotham hanging in the balance" storyline.
>DC should make a Batgirl and Robin comic
Yes.
>starring Steph and Damian.
No.
Then who would you prefer?
Why did you bump a thread in page 6? At least use sage if you hate them that much
Hey now, Dick has a large rogues gallery!
He is the only one. All the other spin offs have like 2 each.
People liked her in yj which has a bigger audience
Why are Batgirl fans so insecure? You make a thread about Steph and all the Babsgays, Cassgays, and Bettegay flood in to cry. You make a thread about Cass and Stephgays, Babsgays, and Bettegay flood in to cry. You make a thread about Babs and Cassgays, Stephgays, and Bettegay flood in to cry. You make a Bette thread and it dies with no responses.
I've never seen cassgays in babsthreads. Nor stephgays. At least in the last couple. Usually it just has a competing thread.
But really batgirlgays are uses to generals so they treat every thread as one. Forcing every new thread to be one in an endless loop.
idk i did a stephanie brown thread earlier and i didn’t have as many folks attracted to the others ramming in
of course, it wasn’t rly that active either
go make a robin thread. I'll blow your mind
>I'll blow your mind
are you flirting with me?
>Why are all asiaticgirl homosexuals so obnoxious
Ftfy. asiaticgirl homosexuals treat every Batgirl thread as theirs even if the OP explicitly mentions other Batgirls
Like this lying homosexual
asiaticgirlanon is a homosexual too
i dont like used goods prostitute but her fans aren't raging delusional homosexuals
And you spam every thread with the same thing, you aren't really proving anything by doing that lol.
If those morons stayed in their threads I'd only spam those instead of every Batgirls thread because I know they'll show up and hijack it
You don't like Cass and steph and you spam their threads you are literally the fricking problem. You have zero capacity for self reflection
>no drawgays or Cass anon
>obnoxious shitposter
Shit thread
>or Cass anon
can we just have a thread without him mass replying and adding nothing but casskon art?
I like the art and iirc doesn't he also have some steph comms there was one last thread.
Now he's gonna come you know that.
I just wanted a Steph and Damian thread. I didn't know there was this much autism surrounding the Batgirls fanbase.
There's this much autism about everything. Make a thread about one Robin and people will insert the other 4 into it. Make a superman thread and people will insert batman into it.
>Make a thread about one Robin and people will insert the other 4 into it
i don't see robin fans flooding this thread despite damian being in the op.
Damian fans here are mostly pedophiles. And you didn't see the batfamily thread we just had or any actual Robin thread here.
Here? Try everywhere.
Idk outside of Twitter ones the others are less pedophilia. There are cutsey tumblr ones.
It's either this or pedos. Pick your poison.
Damian and steph are the sibling dynamic you wish you had
Tim and Damian are the one you had.
Steph is best less sibling and more sibling's girlfriend/friend who's always around the house and teases you but is cool with you but you're kinda flustered around her.
She was basically a sister. Even if in law. She would have set him up with irey. What did we loose.
I'd prefer the Dick/Tim dynamic. Just bros looking out for and being supportive with some light teasing
That's the "adult sibling" thing. I had both. Those are chill. Siblings you have you live with you fight and then you miss when they leave.
Love steph am so fricking tired of damian.
That would be a fun book. Especially if you had a good writer.
It would have been a decade ago. But the time for it passed.
As a series existing in current canon? That ship sailed a long time ago & Stephanie has no interesting traits to pull from. As it's own continuity that takes the best of the mainline stuff pre & post Flashpoint? Could be cute. At that point I'd want Cass too. Two older sisters dealing with their actually dangerously psychotic little brother.
Leave Cass as an occasional guest star. She's part of another Batgirl Robin set. Plus people would riot at Cass and steph being sisters
>people would riot at Cass and steph being sisters
Why? They have at least some semblance of a sisterly relationship with each other while neither one has that type of relationship with any of the boys.
Shippers. They ship Cass and steph
Frick em. Cass works as someone like Damian raised to be a weapon but learned to be more. Now she can teach him with tough love & confusing boners from walking around naked.
No interesting traits now in current canon. This is in a hypothetical unique continuity. And Damian's only 13 right now anyway.
I wouldn't say steph has no interesting traits especially since you can bring old stuff back. But Damian is too old and well adjusted now
I honestly really want Damian and Cass to spend some time together, like I said earlier, that's one of the few relationships within the Batfam that hasn't really been explored much. They're both similar yet different, and they're technically siblings, I want to see their dynamic explored.
Nudists
What DC stands for?
Defunct Cassandras
That's Cass post it in the other one.
Whoops, thought I was in the other thread.