retake what exactly?! the balkans were completely abandoned by the Turks and left to rot
shit empire that never bothered to build infrastructure there in like 400 years
there was nothing worth retaking
And the point of the story was that stuck was wicked, destructive and a blight on the world that should not be pursued. It turned Mordor in a barren wasteland of fire and smoke, destroyed the forest near Isengard, and scoured the Shire.
>It turned Mordor in a barren wasteland of fire and smoke, destroyed the forest near Isengard, and scoured the Shire
Yes, just what industrialization did in Europe in 19 century, and LOTR is about fight between tradition and progress, tradition being good and progress evil.
It never was. Even their bombards during the famous sack of Constantinople were built by Italians.
>None of us should homestead alone, you least of all. White Laborer? I know you suffer, I see it day by day. Are you sure you do not suffer needlessly? There are other ways, White Laborer, other paths we might take. >I know what you would say, and it would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart. >Warning? Against what? We are all afraid, White Laborer. But to let that fear drive us to destroy what hope we have... don't you see? That is economically inefficient! >There is no other way. >I ask only for the strength to defend my profits! If you would but lend me the blacks...
There was no need. Orcs are wicked creatures who were summoned and sustained by the dark magic of Sauron. Once Sauron was destroyed, the orcs faded away.
>orcs are corrupted mutated inbred elves anon
Tolkien actually backtracked on this. Kinda goes against basic christian values. Also it would mean that orcs would go to hall of mandos
I prefere to think that orcs are soulless meat puppets kinda like first dwarves, before Eru made them real boys. But since Morgoth poured his essence into entire middle earth, they don't "stop working" when he is not around.
He did backtrack on it, but only in letters and not in the actual text so it's still "canon" whatever that's worth to you. I don't think they'd go to Mandos though. Mandos himself can refuse entry as far as I remember, and has done, so I don't think orc souls would get in even if they were sent there. Or maybe they would, and Eru would later judge them based on the lives they might have had without Morgoth, or reincarnated them as actual elves later to give them a real shot. Who knows, Eru can be chill, and the Orcs had nature and nurture against them.
orcs are corrupted mutated inbred elves anon, not some weird magic summon.
Nta but I think he means "faded away into obscurity" not "faded away into thin air". Tolkien wrote essays and notes about what happened to the Orcs in the years following Sauron's collapse and many of them actually returned to live in the forests with the Ents and some colonies even cohabitating with Elvish villages
The evil of Morgoth could never truly be extinguished, it tainted everything in middle earth. Without a dark lord the Orcs would have become weaker and retreated back to their dens but it's unlikely they were completely extinguished
This. Those who are desperate for characters who are le morally grey are just looking for affirmation of their own shortcomings. They just need to see fictional characters doing the disgusting things they want to do so that they can pretend even a hero can do disgusting things and then see their disgusting acts in that hero.
Keeping around violent monsters that love causing harm to innocent people is literally immoral, and there is nothing at all immoral about wiping them out with extreme prejudice.
We will never get costume design anywhere near as good as this again. Even the horse has more effort put into it than your lead actor in a modern movie.
I'm so tired of it all.
If he'd done so, it would've been well within his rights as the victor. They were going medieval on each other the entire time, and the orcs themselves clearly intended genocide and had malice for everyone else, so he was in fact operating within their own framework to euthanize their children.
>Imagine Aragorn actually does this
Read The Last Ringbearer, 1980's Russo fanfiction. Treats LOTR as western propaganda. Mordorian Frodo must destroy the Mirror of Galadriel by dropping a palantir in the fires of the orodruin while a receiving palantir is exposed to the mirror, transfering (not projecting or displaying, but a real transference as implied by the psychic contact of minds via palantiri seen in LOTR) the fire of mt doom to the mirror and cutting Arda off from a part of itself from where all magic comes, guaranteeing an industrial revolution, the fear of which was Gandalf's motive for the Mordorian genocide.
>Eskov bases his novel on the premise that the Tolkien account is a "history written by the victors".[1][2] Mordor is home to an "amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers, philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in Middle-earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely adolescent technology against ancient magic", posing a threat to the war-mongering faction represented by Gandalf (whose attitude is described by Saruman as "crafting the Final Solution to the Mordorian problem") and the Elves.[1]
>Macy Halford, in The New Yorker, writes that The Last Ringbearer retells The Lord of the Rings "from the perspective of the bad guys, written by a Russian paleontologist in the late nineties and wildly popular in Russia".[3] The book was written in the context of other Russian reinterpretations of Tolkien's works, such as Natalia Vasilyeva and Natalia Nekrasova's The Black Book of Arda [ru], which treats Melkor as good and the Valar and Eru Ilúvatar as tyrannical rulers.[4][5]
>Other books by Eskov include The Gospel of Afranius (Russian: Eвaнгeлиe oт Aфpaния), a dramatic portrayal of Jesus. In this work he presents a demythologised account of the events of the Gospels.[5]
It is a hypothetical inversion of propaganda. It is meant for understanding how shady intel agencies work. It is entirely rooted in misinformation and spycraft. It has a James Bond touch to it if you can believe it. There is a huge detour to Umbar which it fleshes out in cat and mouse sequence.
Orcs = Turks
Siege of Minas Tirith = Vienna 1683
was Tolkien really going for this??!
Unlike elves and humans Mordor and Izengard had industry and technological progress.
yep and so did Turks at this time and they still got BTFO by valiant knights
why did muh knights never retake lost territory but instead chose to cower behind their castles in mountain ranges?
retake what exactly?! the balkans were completely abandoned by the Turks and left to rot
shit empire that never bothered to build infrastructure there in like 400 years
there was nothing worth retaking
Turks got btfo at the gates of vienna twice
I am pretty sure Ottoman Empire wasn't more industrialized than Europe in the year 1683.
It never was. Even their bombards during the famous sack of Constantinople were built by Italians.
And the point of the story was that stuck was wicked, destructive and a blight on the world that should not be pursued. It turned Mordor in a barren wasteland of fire and smoke, destroyed the forest near Isengard, and scoured the Shire.
>It turned Mordor in a barren wasteland of fire and smoke, destroyed the forest near Isengard, and scoured the Shire
Yes, just what industrialization did in Europe in 19 century, and LOTR is about fight between tradition and progress, tradition being good and progress evil.
Case in my point.
maybe he kept them to do some farm-work.
Boromir = Stonewall Jackson
Aragorn = Robert E Lee
Like the bleq's in South Africa? How well did that go?
Yeah, that didn't turn out too well for us.
>us
YankBlack person
Pick your own pipeweed, Hobbits.
>None of us should homestead alone, you least of all. White Laborer? I know you suffer, I see it day by day. Are you sure you do not suffer needlessly? There are other ways, White Laborer, other paths we might take.
>I know what you would say, and it would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart.
>Warning? Against what? We are all afraid, White Laborer. But to let that fear drive us to destroy what hope we have... don't you see? That is economically inefficient!
>There is no other way.
>I ask only for the strength to defend my profits! If you would but lend me the blacks...
I hope so
I don't know, man, that many orc bodies would take so long to dispose of. It just doesn't seem possible.
There was no need. Orcs are wicked creatures who were summoned and sustained by the dark magic of Sauron. Once Sauron was destroyed, the orcs faded away.
orcs are corrupted mutated inbred elves anon, not some weird magic summon.
>orcs are corrupted mutated inbred elves anon
Tolkien actually backtracked on this. Kinda goes against basic christian values. Also it would mean that orcs would go to hall of mandos
I prefere to think that orcs are soulless meat puppets kinda like first dwarves, before Eru made them real boys. But since Morgoth poured his essence into entire middle earth, they don't "stop working" when he is not around.
He did backtrack on it, but only in letters and not in the actual text so it's still "canon" whatever that's worth to you. I don't think they'd go to Mandos though. Mandos himself can refuse entry as far as I remember, and has done, so I don't think orc souls would get in even if they were sent there. Or maybe they would, and Eru would later judge them based on the lives they might have had without Morgoth, or reincarnated them as actual elves later to give them a real shot. Who knows, Eru can be chill, and the Orcs had nature and nurture against them.
Nta but I think he means "faded away into obscurity" not "faded away into thin air". Tolkien wrote essays and notes about what happened to the Orcs in the years following Sauron's collapse and many of them actually returned to live in the forests with the Ents and some colonies even cohabitating with Elvish villages
The evil of Morgoth could never truly be extinguished, it tainted everything in middle earth. Without a dark lord the Orcs would have become weaker and retreated back to their dens but it's unlikely they were completely extinguished
he did and he paid for it taxing pipeweed.
black and white christcuck morality dictates that he likely did
based
moral grayness is an immoralgay cope
This. Those who are desperate for characters who are le morally grey are just looking for affirmation of their own shortcomings. They just need to see fictional characters doing the disgusting things they want to do so that they can pretend even a hero can do disgusting things and then see their disgusting acts in that hero.
Book mentions fate of the orcs, but you are probably illiterate.
All orcs are evil and cannot be rehabilitated, therefore they must die.
Keeping around violent monsters that love causing harm to innocent people is literally immoral, and there is nothing at all immoral about wiping them out with extreme prejudice.
We will never get costume design anywhere near as good as this again. Even the horse has more effort put into it than your lead actor in a modern movie.
I'm so tired of it all.
>baby orcs
there is no such thing
orcs are corrupted elf spawn
If he'd done so, it would've been well within his rights as the victor. They were going medieval on each other the entire time, and the orcs themselves clearly intended genocide and had malice for everyone else, so he was in fact operating within their own framework to euthanize their children.
Hopefully.
>*plucks an orkoid fungus*
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU KILLED ME 'ECKIN CHILDERINO!!!!!
Orks from Warhammer Fantasy and 40k are born the same way?
looks like a dick
What's his issue?
>you cant imagine Hobbit's having sex
I can! and you can't stop me!
>You will never run your hand through Rosie Cotton's thick curly golden bush
why even live
>Imagine Aragorn actually does this
Read The Last Ringbearer, 1980's Russo fanfiction. Treats LOTR as western propaganda. Mordorian Frodo must destroy the Mirror of Galadriel by dropping a palantir in the fires of the orodruin while a receiving palantir is exposed to the mirror, transfering (not projecting or displaying, but a real transference as implied by the psychic contact of minds via palantiri seen in LOTR) the fire of mt doom to the mirror and cutting Arda off from a part of itself from where all magic comes, guaranteeing an industrial revolution, the fear of which was Gandalf's motive for the Mordorian genocide.
>Eskov bases his novel on the premise that the Tolkien account is a "history written by the victors".[1][2] Mordor is home to an "amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers, philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in Middle-earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely adolescent technology against ancient magic", posing a threat to the war-mongering faction represented by Gandalf (whose attitude is described by Saruman as "crafting the Final Solution to the Mordorian problem") and the Elves.[1]
>Macy Halford, in The New Yorker, writes that The Last Ringbearer retells The Lord of the Rings "from the perspective of the bad guys, written by a Russian paleontologist in the late nineties and wildly popular in Russia".[3] The book was written in the context of other Russian reinterpretations of Tolkien's works, such as Natalia Vasilyeva and Natalia Nekrasova's The Black Book of Arda [ru], which treats Melkor as good and the Valar and Eru Ilúvatar as tyrannical rulers.[4][5]
>Other books by Eskov include The Gospel of Afranius (Russian: Eвaнгeлиe oт Aфpaния), a dramatic portrayal of Jesus. In this work he presents a demythologised account of the events of the Gospels.[5]
Inb4 "herp derp what if orcs were good"
It is a hypothetical inversion of propaganda. It is meant for understanding how shady intel agencies work. It is entirely rooted in misinformation and spycraft. It has a James Bond touch to it if you can believe it. There is a huge detour to Umbar which it fleshes out in cat and mouse sequence.
Nobody cares homosexual
>did aragorn kill orc babies
>i dont care if aragorn killed orc babies and youre gay
>Russians write books about evil monsters and the devil being good instead of bad
A little on the nose, isn't it?
>person who lived under israeli communism writes about propaganda and genocide
>on the "nose"
He better have. It's why I voted for him.
What happened to all the evil humans after they were defeated by Gondor, Erebor, Rivendell and Rohan?
Aragorn made peace with them and invited many Haradrim to come live in Gondor and bang his wife.
Why didn't GRRM just read the appendices?
What was Daenerys' tax policy?
he created a new industry using their skin to make shoes. And everyone clapped.