Eh I don't think so. Kinda like a friend group and their two girls, and you want to date one but she seems to hot for you and the other guy in charge kinda has a thing for her so you just move to the mood goth chick.
A bit beyond the "deadpan girl and class clown" dynamic. Dunno if it's due to the fandom but they seemed to have the most going on second only to Robin and Starfire
Comic starfire is plain more mature than cartoon starfire, so when she is in love with someone she will express it intimately, and when she hates someone she will brutally beat them to death. So it's not as different as you would think, just safer and more child appropriate.
Those portraying her as a bawd that satisfies her lust without feeling love are much further than what her character is supposed to be than the cartoon.
Nah, Robin was kinda brooding in NTT as well, although not as much as in the cartoon. It's just that DC over the years flanderized Dick to make him more distinct from the other Robins.
NTT BBRae is an interesting inversion of typical BBRae where Gar is sarcastic and moody while Raven is gentle and straightforward. I'd imagine if a relationship between them did existed at that time it would something like a non-toxic with her relationship with Eric Forrester where Gar actually cares about Raven as a person but is still an immature horny dickhead.
Well, the thing about NTT is that Raven unironically looks like she is 40 most of the time (I know this literally becomes a plot point, but still) while Gar is clearly just 15 or so. Beast Boy and Raven are also probably the two main characters who interact the least in that series other than Wally and literally anybody. It would have been pretty awkward back then.
Yet a 10 year difference didn't stop wolfman from self inserting in wondergirl as terry long, so you can't use that as an excuse as to why 15/16 year old gar can't relate with the 18/19 year olds on the team.
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Donna was an adult. Gar was still just a kid.
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They were both teens.
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Eh, the rest of them were written more like if they were in their early 20s rather than their teens.
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A man knows what a man wants and a woman knows how to treat a lady
The most interesting part of the ntt's gar x raven interaction is that she is probably the one woman he treats respectfully all of the time. He leers at starfire but backs off if she isn't in the mood to play along, he teases wondergirl constantly because he barely stands how uptight she is, he has intense love/hate back and forth with terra and flirts with every new hot girl he meets, so even then raven ends up being the exception despite wolfman never entertaining the possibility.
Yeah, the idea of Raven being a jerk to Beast Boy never made much sense to me outside of the cartoon versions. Raven is a super-introvert that's also sensing people's feelings all the time. She would realize Beast Boy's act is a facade.
As friends? BB always gave me "team little brother" vibes. I was surprised to learn just how many people shipped them. I think they even overshadow the single actual canon ship in this show.
>Also on reflection Raven got a lot of Daria b***h vibe
In the 2003 show for better or for worse they heavily downplayed Raven's empathic powers (always sensing the emotions of others with no filters). I get why, but it could have contextualized her character.
How do I fail upwards into a position in editorial over the most beloved characters in comic books? Given how Batman and Spider-Man are treated, it can't be that fricking hard.
TT fight villain
BB gets some
BB unlike werewolf mode (kinda a hybrid of different animals)
BB entering his emo mode, tells Raven not to come to school tomorrow
Raven is attacked by a werewolf
They arrest BB
However red herring villain from the first act also became a werewolf and was the one to attack Raven
Basically Beast Boy fights some villain of the week and they're both doused in chemicals. Beast Boy becomes increasingly violent and there's a fake out where he seemingly attacks Raven. However, it turns out he dindu nuffin and the villain of the week inexplicably got Beast Boy's powers despite not having any similar abilities at all when they first fought. This is never mentioned again when he appears in later episodes.
Raven mentions at the end of the episode that Cyborg made an antidote for Beast Boy for the chemicals he was bathed in. It stands to reason they used it on the villain, too.
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Kinda neat that BB could still go werewolf afterwards because it was technically an animal
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A theory I read was the chemicals somehow caused them to swap aspects of themselves. Beast Boy got roid rage from Adonis while Adonis got BB's shapeshifting. So BB's beast form was always an ability he had and the antidote just got rid of Adonis' influence on his personality. >inb4 how would chemicals transfer mental qualities?
Comic logic.
you sound like your dick is small and it doesn't receive enough attention from women. you probably like putting your penis inside other men's butts too.
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I like booty
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Your glorpnack is small and your appearance repels the human girls I wager you use your x-ray to view young boys without their clothes
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Frick you, troq!
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I cant be the only one who wondered if the green tentacled ugly bastard she was supposed to marry had a monster tentacle dick somewhere
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I thought women were in full support for LGBT shit. And yet they’ll call you a homosexual out of spite?
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Lmao wait until you see how they really feel about body positivity
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>I thought women were in full support for LGBT shit
LOL, LMAO even
https://twitter.com/BlakiRaiper/status/1725670901310513273
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>Starfire pretends to have X-Ray vision >stares at his crotch >See-more retreats out of shame
I think that specific description is describing the interactions of an old married couple rather than being an actual couple. It really just means they're comfortable with each other and maybe bicker a bit. They skipped straight to the "domestic roommate" stage of a relationship, which, without going through the romantic stage, isn't really a relationship at all.
No, the proof for the chemistry existing needs to be in the show, here we have word of god proving any romantic interpretations and readings of the existing show scenes are projection and headcanon.
No, as I said anything you might read into in the show is confirmed not indicative of anything, by one of the lead writers, at a panel where he was surrounded by other lead writers who could've corrected him if he said something that wasn't the consensus.
A bunch of writers are not going to start an autistic shipping debate in the middle of a panel. One writer's opinion on the matter does not make what he says canon, especially after the fact. In fact, all the writers' opinions do not matter because only what is in the show itself is canon.
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And what's in the show is not grounds for chemistry or a relationship, as confirmed by the writers
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Death of the author, anon
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if an author told you that their street level character could solo every single version of Superman all at once would you believe him?
Sometimes the "Word of God" is fricking moronic.
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In their story he could, and we're discussing the TT03 story here and if there was chemistry between Raven and Beast Boy
>what's in the show is not grounds for chemistry or a relationship
I never said there was any romantic chemistry between them. I am trying to educate you on what constitutes "canon" because like 95% of gays on this site, you are misusing the term. An author cannot publish his or her work and then retroactively add things to it outside of officially published sequel material. At best it would be apocrypha.
And I'm trying to educate you on what constitutes "headcanon" because if fans try to e.g. interpret two female characters behavior to each other as lesbian attraction but the author clarifies no lesbianism was intended, we can 100% know for a fact the canon reading is heterosexual even if the story itself doesn't bring it up
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Wrong
If I make a character who has at maximum moved 10 MPH and has been shot multiple times with no way to react to the bullets, even if I say hes faster than Barry Allen, I am still wrong. Just because an author says something, doesnt mean its right. Hence why Word of God is fricking stupid. Shouldve shown it in the show itself instead of just commenting on it later, since the show itself shows they have great chemistry.
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>what's in the show is not grounds for chemistry or a relationship
I never said there was any romantic chemistry between them. I am trying to educate you on what constitutes "canon" because like 95% of gays on this site, you are misusing the term. An author cannot publish his or her work and then retroactively add things to it outside of officially published sequel material. At best it would be apocrypha.
And the official answer is that their chemistry is not the type that would result in a relationship
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An old married couple is literally a relationship though.
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A sexless, romanceless couple, that gets on each other's nerves, it's the result of a relationship but having that sort of interaction from the get-go doesn't result in a relationship. It's like saying a young guy has the physical build and dexterity of a geriatric war veteran, it wouldn't be implying the young guy is fit for war.
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AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME!!!!!!!
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TT fight villain
BB gets some
BB unlike werewolf mode (kinda a hybrid of different animals)
BB entering his emo mode, tells Raven not to come to school tomorrow
Raven is attacked by a werewolf
They arrest BB
However red herring villain from the first act also became a werewolf and was the one to attack Raven
Bbgets some stuff poured on him*
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Why is Raven making the "no way, gay" face?
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>you have no idea what my vegana has gone through.
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Thats not no way, gay.
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Because no one ever posts the original images' names made by the art anon. They've been documented here.
https://the-conservatory.fandom.com/wiki/I_Am_Not_Raven
5 months ago
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too many happy campers
baby needs to be scowling like their mother
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IM GOING POST IT
AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME!!!!!!!
You know this is oddly enough what I want to draw Superman/Clark like. Wholesome GigaChad whose on the football team, loves his mom, and takes his girlfriend to church
Didn't he threaten to kill her in that episode where he turned into a werewolf?
Anyway, it seemed more like he was the kind of guy that she could occasionally drop her guard around, but not really someone mature enough for her to actually date.
>interacted the least out of any pairing
That's cyborg and Robin. They had one episode. Same with Robin and Raven. They had an episode but they don't hang out.
Usually raven is minding her own buisness and bb along with cyborg are doing hijinks. BB then does some dumb shit to annoy raven. Not once have we seen them chatting or doing things unless some shit happened. Like Beast Boy acting like he has a monster inside him
I remember Beast Boy and Raven had a ton of episodes. People just remember the warewolf one. I remember one where they enter Raven's mind. There was that one with the talking book. I remember when Raven and Terra were fighting in the mud, Terra was rubbing in Raven's face how Beast Boy likes her more or something. I could be wrong. Haven't seen this series in years. But I think people shipped them because they were ship teased a lot.
Cyborg and Robin had drama throughout S3 with Cy wanting to strike out on his own and Robin not wanting him to leave the team which caused tension between the two. It wasn't the main focus of the plot, but it was there.
Robin and Raven interacted a lot in S4 because of their connection with Slade, and Robin being the one to rescue her from Hell.
Whereas Starfire and Beastboy had exactly 1 episode where they said more than two words to each other, and that episode's focus was split between them and the cloud boys.
I remember shipping BB and Star as a kid because they gave me Numbuh 3/4 vibes. (Even sharing the same green & orange coding but in reverse)
I was surprised to find out that was actually Robin she was canonically with, I never saw it to be truthful, there wasn’t much chemistry, it’d be like shipping Numbuh 1 with 3. (The serious leader with the ditzy girl)
That hug is the most affection she gave him. Raven showed more interest in Cyborg during that car episode. And when Trigon took over, it was Robin that saved her and she gave him a hug. All BB did was flirt and fail. I am surprised how one sided it was. You'd think Raven would show hints of interest but it was just annoyance.
>All BB did was flirt and fail.
I don't remember Beast Boy doing even that. He treated her just like he treated everyone else, but she was just generally annoyed by his antics. She stopped being so uptight after he and Cyborg invaded her mind and they actually felt like friends after, but I didn't read any more into it than that.
The problem the beast boy/Raven is they don't enjoy each other's company, they have nothing in common it could only be physical attraction once that wears off with time they'd find they actually hate each other
People shit on Damian because he’s a brat. But once he grows up and becomes tall, dark and handsome like his old man, it’ll be way different. He’s gonna have a lot chicks pursuing him, thinking they could fix him.
both are affected by a traumatic upbringing. BB takes on the mantle of class clown as otherwise he'd become the brooding whimpering mess people think raven is. on the contrary - raven wants to break outside her shell, yet cannot. each wishes they were like the other, they compliment and allow both coping mechanisms to be inserted into the other's life in a healthy organic way on the way to recovery and acceptance
Not even the cartoon retconned that even though it did spare the doom patrol and other casualties. Hell his evil counterpart in the comic version of the terror of trigon was easily the most disturbing.
Comic book Beast Boy is kinda super fricked up ngl.
List of traumas. >dead parents-sad but typical >sold into slavery and pressed into stealing-kinda extreme >brief interlude in leading a gorilla guerrilla warfare uprising against some nazis >living under an abusive caretaker who sends hired killers after him-almost comically unfortunate >his newfound family of the doom patrol sacrifice themselves leaving him with Steve-what even is his life
And that's before he joins the new teen titans where he will: >gets cucked >become a murderer >have his brain messed around so much that it unlocks his full potential >got his soul creampied by Raven >becomes a fricking serial killer
And all.the killing is because of Raven isn't that grand
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To be fair, isn't it cute Raven still loves Gar even when she is fully taken over by her demonic side? (And she makes him kill Terra lookalikes)
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I mean yeah but gar was 16,17 when this was going on not to mention she was sexually abusing him at that the same time.
Look,I love raven and gar but I thought it was strange that he forgave her and went on to be in a relationship with her like a year or 2 later. After all she did to him.
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He's be a hypocrite not to forgive her because Beast Boy is more fricked up then Raven.
That's kinda the point behind this post
Comic book Beast Boy is kinda super fricked up ngl.
List of traumas. >dead parents-sad but typical >sold into slavery and pressed into stealing-kinda extreme >brief interlude in leading a gorilla guerrilla warfare uprising against some nazis >living under an abusive caretaker who sends hired killers after him-almost comically unfortunate >his newfound family of the doom patrol sacrifice themselves leaving him with Steve-what even is his life
And that's before he joins the new teen titans where he will: >gets cucked >become a murderer >have his brain messed around so much that it unlocks his full potential >got his soul creampied by Raven >becomes a fricking serial killer
I say the opposite. They ALL should have had groomer villains. What better adversaries for the TEEN Titans? Blackfire should keep trying to manipulate her sister into some kind of sex slavery to creatures (semi-canon). Slade pulls double duty for two Titans and keeps on grooming Beast Boy's gfs. There's no end to the possibilities.
Nah they already had Slade/Deathstroke and brother blood they didn't need another groomer villain
I say the opposite. They ALL should have had groomer villains. What better adversaries for the TEEN Titans? Blackfire should keep trying to manipulate her sister into some kind of sex slavery to creatures (semi-canon). Slade pulls double duty for two Titans and keeps on grooming Beast Boy's gfs. There's no end to the possibilities.
>They ALL should have had groomer villains
This.
Groomers are the final boss of Teen Titans.
Starting with Bruce Wayne.
Slade grooms Robin (and Terra), dragon guy grooms Raven, Blackfire grooms Starfire, Brother Blood grooms Cyborg, Terra is successfully groomed into a permanent villain and grooms Beast Boy.
Is this post a joke or did you miss the point that hard? That episode’s entire message is that while he acted like Raven’s charming prince by understanding her hobbies, he was just using her and didn’t care about Raven at all; meanwhile Beast Boy who was portrayed as the doofus that didn’t understand Raven’s tastes, was in the end used to show that he is her friend and likes her as a person despite not quite getting her magic shenanigans.
TL;DR: people who appreciate you shows love even if they don’t understand all of your hobbies and tastes.
Yes. There are many kinds of character chemistry. They were designed to force each other out of their comfort zone. Likely used as devices for each other to show they have more than one layer. He's more than a class clown, she's more than a goth chick, etc. But when it came to shipping, the fandom did that.
Beast Boy but he was one of those class clowns with a persecution complex. Constantly being annoying, telling unfunny jokes, even lashing out. Then acts like a victim when someone gets annoyed and tells him to stop. He a tough upbringing with the Doom Patrol so I'm willing to give him some slack but come on man.
No the other poster say I won't claim it happened once but the first claim was all the time, which isn't true, most of Beast Boys interactions with her are positive, most of hers are sarcastic but that's how she socializes.
Usually raven is minding her own buisness and bb along with cyborg are doing hijinks. BB then does some dumb shit to annoy raven. Not once have we seen them chatting or doing things unless some shit happened. Like Beast Boy acting like he has a monster inside him
No, people just project sexual tension onto any interaction between attractive characters. You're currently browsing a board where people regularly see sexual tension between characters that are 10 year old siblings. Shipping has always been 99.9% horny and 0.01% actually giving half a shit about how the characters are written.
Oh come on anon, "opposites attract" is an old as shit romantic concept in fiction. You've been on Cinemaphile too long to pretend you don't get it. If I was going to self-insert into anyone, it would be Cyborg. He should have been the one to change Jinx, not fricking Kid Flash.
I enjoy seeing such unalike people interact with each other, I enjoy seeing how they rub each other the wrong way, I enjoy seeing them find the rare things they have in common, I enjoy the little compromises they make for each other, I enjoy seeing the rollercoaster of their relationship through the high and lows of it, and I enjoy all the effort it takes to get to the finish line. Simple as that.
Its not just opposites attract. Beast Boy and Raven could get stuck in an elevator together and you could still have an episode. The writers knew the two could easily spark conflict between them so its never a dull moment. At least, I'm just talking about the TT animated series. I'm sure they weren't being shipped because that role was for Rbin and Starfire. But when Beast Boy and Raven interact, their organic chemistry just takes over.
There were a lot of alternatives never explored. Robin takes himself too seriously while Beast Boy never takes anything seriously. Beast Boy just goofs around with Cyborg all the time. Why didn't they hit it off? Raven and Starfire had a body swap episode. I thought they made a great team but they never did anything more after that.
It's one of those ships that brings down both characters involved, like Bruce x Barbara or PB x Marceline, if you care about the story and the characters in any capacity past shipping nonsense, you won't be into BBRae
>Cinemaphile is the only place I've seen not fully on the BBxRae bandwagon.
the autists here can't self-insert on the funny, charismatic clown. They all self-insert on boring autistic leader types like Robin or Cyclops.
This. I was a huge bbrae shipper in middle school. Even wrote fanfics, God it was cringe. I eventually grew out of it and moved my attention elsewhere.
Yes.
Beast Boy can drag her out of her dark, gloomy and broody world and into a bright happy one.
Raven can be a shoulder to help burden Garfield's sad and lonely past.
It’s pretty funny watching BB/Raven fans cope about their ship. I don’t know why zoomers are so obsessed with them. It’s especially funny when they’re talking about Robin/Raven. “Yes Robin and Raven had more meaningful plot interactions. Yes BB was completely irrelevant to Raven’s Trigon arc. Yes Robin was the most important character to Raven in this arc. But it’s cause MUH SIBLINGS. he would have done it for anyone!” YEAH AND HE DID IT FOR RAVEN b***h. Fricking zoomers
Starfire/Raven and beast boy/Robin are better versions of the same idea , Starfire can breakthrough Ravens guard without being annoying and Robin can appreciate beast boys jokes after getting away from batman
Beast boy needs someone honest to curb his enthusiasm and Raven needs someone who can feel on her behalf.
She's not someone who would hurt him but she is someone who would try to stop him from getting hurt.
Raven has a really dark horrible history that explains why shes so well dead inside, you saw Trigon right imagine having to deal with that fricker since you were a kid.
>Jinx and Cyborg
Romantically that has an actual basis in the show. It's shown and told explicitly. BBRae is not really so much as hinted at. Just look at how the actual shipping pairs are handled in comparison. They're good friends but no indication is given of something more.
They did not at best you could read them a brother sister, but neither ever showed any appreciation for the others form. Beast boy had more appreciation for Kitten body then Raven's.
Raven for herself showed massive interest in Robin, and some for Cyborg.
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My problem with this sort of shipping is two fold >every time Raven and Beast Boy appear in anything they have to be together to appease shippers >90% of Raven r34 has green dicks to appease shippers
And all because some mentally ill tumblrgay class clowns read too much into a "comedian aggravates straight man" dynamic between two characters on a team
>every time Raven and Beast Boy appear in anything they have to be together to appease shippers
Post-TT03, only TTG has paired them up, unless you count comics no one reads. The DCAMU paired Raven up with Damian, and YJ paired BB with a literal who Terra stand-in. >90% of Raven r34 has green dicks to appease shippers
Oh no! Not the porn! Is nothing sacred!?
Top tier waifu being derailed to be paired off with the self insert of failed class clowns. There's really no one you could pair her off to to make people satisfied, i.e. everyone was mad about her x Damien too, she's a waifu behemoth like that.
There's no guy involved to be jealous of if he's not exactly like you, so you just get to enjoy hot girls making out and imagine yourself getting both of them.
>As the guy they go bi for.
FTFY. They're horny for each other and for (You). They aren't competition like Robin or Beast Boy or Kid Flash. Your waifu's waifu is your waifu too.
Yeah but they mention raven was.desperate to sleep with gar when we had Jill and other women ready to drop to their knees for him. Not to mention Zachary zantana straight up don't like gar cause raven chose gar over what ever was going on between them.
>Yeah but they mention raven was.desperate to sleep with gar when we had Jill and other women ready to drop to their knees for him
Yeah it's a joke anon.
Eh I don't think so. Kinda like a friend group and their two girls, and you want to date one but she seems to hot for you and the other guy in charge kinda has a thing for her so you just move to the mood goth chick.
No, they had biology.
No
A bit beyond the "deadpan girl and class clown" dynamic. Dunno if it's due to the fandom but they seemed to have the most going on second only to Robin and Starfire
>Robin and Starfire
Now those two did NOT have chemistry. They felt forced like characters in a pair the spares trope.
They were forced together because that’s how it was in the comics. Thing is, they changed Starfire completely so now it doesn’t work.
how different was she and their relationship in the comics?
Comic starfire is plain more mature than cartoon starfire, so when she is in love with someone she will express it intimately, and when she hates someone she will brutally beat them to death. So it's not as different as you would think, just safer and more child appropriate.
Those portraying her as a bawd that satisfies her lust without feeling love are much further than what her character is supposed to be than the cartoon.
>they changed Starfire completely
Robin too
Nah, Robin was kinda brooding in NTT as well, although not as much as in the cartoon. It's just that DC over the years flanderized Dick to make him more distinct from the other Robins.
In the cartoon it always seemed to me like they would frick and lose their virginity and then inmediately regret it.
Not rly
Depends on the adaptation
He had more chemistry with Terra.
It was a pretty rocky relationship
Every time you post I'm locking in on your position, Carlos.
Yes, but it's like really tangential.
You think Beast Boy, you immediately think, vegan, protect the earth and animals. Raven is a dark magic user.
Earth and Darkness go together like Fire and Light.
fun fact, raven was the one that was vegan in the comics while beast boy definitely wasn't. They changed it because of BB's voice actor.
NTT BBRae is an interesting inversion of typical BBRae where Gar is sarcastic and moody while Raven is gentle and straightforward. I'd imagine if a relationship between them did existed at that time it would something like a non-toxic with her relationship with Eric Forrester where Gar actually cares about Raven as a person but is still an immature horny dickhead.
Well, the thing about NTT is that Raven unironically looks like she is 40 most of the time (I know this literally becomes a plot point, but still) while Gar is clearly just 15 or so. Beast Boy and Raven are also probably the two main characters who interact the least in that series other than Wally and literally anybody. It would have been pretty awkward back then.
They're not casual acquaintances so why would it be awkward? You're so weird to assule that Gar isn't part of her inner circle.
Beast Boy was always the youngest one on the team. The rest were in their late teens.
Yet a 10 year difference didn't stop wolfman from self inserting in wondergirl as terry long, so you can't use that as an excuse as to why 15/16 year old gar can't relate with the 18/19 year olds on the team.
Donna was an adult. Gar was still just a kid.
They were both teens.
Eh, the rest of them were written more like if they were in their early 20s rather than their teens.
A man knows what a man wants and a woman knows how to treat a lady
Meant for
She was like 18/19.
The most interesting part of the ntt's gar x raven interaction is that she is probably the one woman he treats respectfully all of the time. He leers at starfire but backs off if she isn't in the mood to play along, he teases wondergirl constantly because he barely stands how uptight she is, he has intense love/hate back and forth with terra and flirts with every new hot girl he meets, so even then raven ends up being the exception despite wolfman never entertaining the possibility.
Probably too interesting considering Raven would be the one with the most understanding about how Gar was hurting.
Yeah, the idea of Raven being a jerk to Beast Boy never made much sense to me outside of the cartoon versions. Raven is a super-introvert that's also sensing people's feelings all the time. She would realize Beast Boy's act is a facade.
As friends? BB always gave me "team little brother" vibes. I was surprised to learn just how many people shipped them. I think they even overshadow the single actual canon ship in this show.
I shipped them as a kid. I've since been soured on BB, thanks a lot to Young Justice.
Also on reflection Raven got a lot of Daria b***h vibe
>Also on reflection Raven got a lot of Daria b***h vibe
In the 2003 show for better or for worse they heavily downplayed Raven's empathic powers (always sensing the emotions of others with no filters). I get why, but it could have contextualized her character.
In the comics they tend to ship Beast Boy and Raven because bateditors block Nightwing/Starfire from happening.
Well explain the logic on that one.
The logic is that Nightwing is a street-level character so he is only allowed to date other street-level characters.
It's pretty dumb but dumb logic is very common in Marvel/DC.
Well he isn't going to date a woman stronger than him.
That'd be ridiculous.
How do I fail upwards into a position in editorial over the most beloved characters in comic books? Given how Batman and Spider-Man are treated, it can't be that fricking hard.
No, Raven and Starfire had more chemistry
Raven x Robin is better
Clearly a Robin themed polyamous harem is the only option
Episode gave me rape vibes when I first saw it.
Yeah?
What in the name of Evangelion is going on here?!
TT fight villain
BB gets some
BB unlike werewolf mode (kinda a hybrid of different animals)
BB entering his emo mode, tells Raven not to come to school tomorrow
Raven is attacked by a werewolf
They arrest BB
However red herring villain from the first act also became a werewolf and was the one to attack Raven
If breastboy doesn't get in the robot raven will have to
Basically Beast Boy fights some villain of the week and they're both doused in chemicals. Beast Boy becomes increasingly violent and there's a fake out where he seemingly attacks Raven. However, it turns out he dindu nuffin and the villain of the week inexplicably got Beast Boy's powers despite not having any similar abilities at all when they first fought. This is never mentioned again when he appears in later episodes.
Raven mentions at the end of the episode that Cyborg made an antidote for Beast Boy for the chemicals he was bathed in. It stands to reason they used it on the villain, too.
Kinda neat that BB could still go werewolf afterwards because it was technically an animal
A theory I read was the chemicals somehow caused them to swap aspects of themselves. Beast Boy got roid rage from Adonis while Adonis got BB's shapeshifting. So BB's beast form was always an ability he had and the antidote just got rid of Adonis' influence on his personality.
>inb4 how would chemicals transfer mental qualities?
Comic logic.
Love that episode. More like "the breast within" lol
Based one-eyed creep. Of all the times various villains sexualized the girls, this one was probably the most direct. It made child me feel funny.
How do you respond to this without sounding mad?
When in doubt
you sound like your dick is small and it doesn't receive enough attention from women. you probably like putting your penis inside other men's butts too.
I like booty
Your glorpnack is small and your appearance repels the human girls I wager you use your x-ray to view young boys without their clothes
Frick you, troq!
I cant be the only one who wondered if the green tentacled ugly bastard she was supposed to marry had a monster tentacle dick somewhere
I thought women were in full support for LGBT shit. And yet they’ll call you a homosexual out of spite?
Lmao wait until you see how they really feel about body positivity
>I thought women were in full support for LGBT shit
LOL, LMAO even
https://twitter.com/BlakiRaiper/status/1725670901310513273
>Starfire pretends to have X-Ray vision
>stares at his crotch
>See-more retreats out of shame
Probably more of a Blackfire thing.
>manlet rage
>:(
He literally got Adonis' roid rage because they took a chemical bath together in that episode.
rent free
In his defense, it's easy for someone to live rent free in your head when they're short enough to walk down your ear canal without needing to stoop.
That's funny because BB turned into a whale and went up Trigon's ear.
>Raven practically daring him to frick her on the spot
BB is for Robin ONLY
Canonically no
>Says there's nothing between them
>Proceeds to say they're like An Old Married Couple in the very next sentence
The frick? That's a literal oxymoron
I think that specific description is describing the interactions of an old married couple rather than being an actual couple. It really just means they're comfortable with each other and maybe bicker a bit. They skipped straight to the "domestic roommate" stage of a relationship, which, without going through the romantic stage, isn't really a relationship at all.
It literally is though.
That isn't what "canon" means. It needs to be in the show, not Word of God'd.
No, the proof for the chemistry existing needs to be in the show, here we have word of god proving any romantic interpretations and readings of the existing show scenes are projection and headcanon.
As I said, Word of God isn't proof of anything, ESPECIALLY a TV show with multiple writers and producers where it's a pantheon of creative input.
No, as I said anything you might read into in the show is confirmed not indicative of anything, by one of the lead writers, at a panel where he was surrounded by other lead writers who could've corrected him if he said something that wasn't the consensus.
A bunch of writers are not going to start an autistic shipping debate in the middle of a panel. One writer's opinion on the matter does not make what he says canon, especially after the fact. In fact, all the writers' opinions do not matter because only what is in the show itself is canon.
And what's in the show is not grounds for chemistry or a relationship, as confirmed by the writers
Death of the author, anon
if an author told you that their street level character could solo every single version of Superman all at once would you believe him?
Sometimes the "Word of God" is fricking moronic.
In their story he could, and we're discussing the TT03 story here and if there was chemistry between Raven and Beast Boy
And I'm trying to educate you on what constitutes "headcanon" because if fans try to e.g. interpret two female characters behavior to each other as lesbian attraction but the author clarifies no lesbianism was intended, we can 100% know for a fact the canon reading is heterosexual even if the story itself doesn't bring it up
Wrong
If I make a character who has at maximum moved 10 MPH and has been shot multiple times with no way to react to the bullets, even if I say hes faster than Barry Allen, I am still wrong. Just because an author says something, doesnt mean its right. Hence why Word of God is fricking stupid. Shouldve shown it in the show itself instead of just commenting on it later, since the show itself shows they have great chemistry.
>what's in the show is not grounds for chemistry or a relationship
I never said there was any romantic chemistry between them. I am trying to educate you on what constitutes "canon" because like 95% of gays on this site, you are misusing the term. An author cannot publish his or her work and then retroactively add things to it outside of officially published sequel material. At best it would be apocrypha.
Undeniably yes.
uhhh
Does an old married couple not have chemistry?
Not the kind you'd want in teens looking to date each other
But the question is do they have chemistry not do they have a canonical romance in the show.
And the official answer is that their chemistry is not the type that would result in a relationship
An old married couple is literally a relationship though.
A sexless, romanceless couple, that gets on each other's nerves, it's the result of a relationship but having that sort of interaction from the get-go doesn't result in a relationship. It's like saying a young guy has the physical build and dexterity of a geriatric war veteran, it wouldn't be implying the young guy is fit for war.
IM GOING POST IT
AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME!!!!!!!
Bbgets some stuff poured on him*
Why is Raven making the "no way, gay" face?
>you have no idea what my vegana has gone through.
Thats not no way, gay.
Because no one ever posts the original images' names made by the art anon. They've been documented here.
https://the-conservatory.fandom.com/wiki/I_Am_Not_Raven
too many happy campers
baby needs to be scowling like their mother
You know this is oddly enough what I want to draw Superman/Clark like. Wholesome GigaChad whose on the football team, loves his mom, and takes his girlfriend to church
Yeah, they were really cute together!
cute
Didn't he threaten to kill her in that episode where he turned into a werewolf?
Anyway, it seemed more like he was the kind of guy that she could occasionally drop her guard around, but not really someone mature enough for her to actually date.
>Didn't he threaten to kill her in that episode where he turned into a werewolf?
No? They almost fight at one point, but he actually defended her from the other werewolf.
IIRC, he basically said something like "Stop putting me down or else." and then turned into something to threaten her.
He calmed down later in the episode when he turned into the beast, though.
No they both fit better with literally anyone else on the team , I don't see them as romantic partners
Starfire and Beastie have more chemistry than anyone else in the show
Underrated friendship, I wish they interacted more. They probably interacted the least out of any pairing on the team.
>interacted the least out of any pairing
That's cyborg and Robin. They had one episode. Same with Robin and Raven. They had an episode but they don't hang out.
I remember Beast Boy and Raven had a ton of episodes. People just remember the warewolf one. I remember one where they enter Raven's mind. There was that one with the talking book. I remember when Raven and Terra were fighting in the mud, Terra was rubbing in Raven's face how Beast Boy likes her more or something. I could be wrong. Haven't seen this series in years. But I think people shipped them because they were ship teased a lot.
Cyborg and Robin had drama throughout S3 with Cy wanting to strike out on his own and Robin not wanting him to leave the team which caused tension between the two. It wasn't the main focus of the plot, but it was there.
Robin and Raven interacted a lot in S4 because of their connection with Slade, and Robin being the one to rescue her from Hell.
Whereas Starfire and Beastboy had exactly 1 episode where they said more than two words to each other, and that episode's focus was split between them and the cloud boys.
I remember shipping BB and Star as a kid because they gave me Numbuh 3/4 vibes. (Even sharing the same green & orange coding but in reverse)
I was surprised to find out that was actually Robin she was canonically with, I never saw it to be truthful, there wasn’t much chemistry, it’d be like shipping Numbuh 1 with 3. (The serious leader with the ditzy girl)
>I was surprised to find out that was actually Robin she was canonically with, I never saw it to be truthful
You must've been a very slow child.
That hug is the most affection she gave him. Raven showed more interest in Cyborg during that car episode. And when Trigon took over, it was Robin that saved her and she gave him a hug. All BB did was flirt and fail. I am surprised how one sided it was. You'd think Raven would show hints of interest but it was just annoyance.
>All BB did was flirt and fail.
I don't remember Beast Boy doing even that. He treated her just like he treated everyone else, but she was just generally annoyed by his antics. She stopped being so uptight after he and Cyborg invaded her mind and they actually felt like friends after, but I didn't read any more into it than that.
The problem the beast boy/Raven is they don't enjoy each other's company, they have nothing in common it could only be physical attraction once that wears off with time they'd find they actually hate each other
The second or third episode is about how they don't hate each other.
Ah yes. The MAGIC USER and the SHAPE SHIFTER will run out of physical attraction.
Robin/Raven worked better anyway.
Now there's the self-insert ship.
People shit on Damian because he’s a brat. But once he grows up and becomes tall, dark and handsome like his old man, it’ll be way different. He’s gonna have a lot chicks pursuing him, thinking they could fix him.
I actually liked them. Best thing to come out of those movies.
both are affected by a traumatic upbringing. BB takes on the mantle of class clown as otherwise he'd become the brooding whimpering mess people think raven is. on the contrary - raven wants to break outside her shell, yet cannot. each wishes they were like the other, they compliment and allow both coping mechanisms to be inserted into the other's life in a healthy organic way on the way to recovery and acceptance
Robin watched his parents go splat. Probably still has nightmares about it.
>Robin watched his parents go splat
So did beast boy.
Not even the cartoon retconned that even though it did spare the doom patrol and other casualties. Hell his evil counterpart in the comic version of the terror of trigon was easily the most disturbing.
Comic book Beast Boy is kinda super fricked up ngl.
List of traumas.
>dead parents-sad but typical
>sold into slavery and pressed into stealing-kinda extreme
>brief interlude in leading a gorilla guerrilla warfare uprising against some nazis
>living under an abusive caretaker who sends hired killers after him-almost comically unfortunate
>his newfound family of the doom patrol sacrifice themselves leaving him with Steve-what even is his life
And that's before he joins the new teen titans where he will:
>gets cucked
>become a murderer
>have his brain messed around so much that it unlocks his full potential
>got his soul creampied by Raven
>becomes a fricking serial killer
And all.the killing is because of Raven isn't that grand
To be fair, isn't it cute Raven still loves Gar even when she is fully taken over by her demonic side? (And she makes him kill Terra lookalikes)
I mean yeah but gar was 16,17 when this was going on not to mention she was sexually abusing him at that the same time.
Look,I love raven and gar but I thought it was strange that he forgave her and went on to be in a relationship with her like a year or 2 later. After all she did to him.
He's be a hypocrite not to forgive her because Beast Boy is more fricked up then Raven.
That's kinda the point behind this post
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>become a murderer
>becomes a fricking serial killer
kek really, i didnt know this series got that edgy, i gotta read it. what comics specifically
No but they stood next to each other and have spoken to each other.
Not in the actual original show, but the fans shipped them anyway, which bled into the comics and TTG later on.
Not really, which is why it’s odd this pairing gets pushed so much
As much chemistry as noble gases
Raven had a better relationship with the groomer dragon
This guy should have been a serial villain that shows up at least once a season to attack Raven.
Nah they already had Slade/Deathstroke and brother blood they didn't need another groomer villain
I say the opposite. They ALL should have had groomer villains. What better adversaries for the TEEN Titans? Blackfire should keep trying to manipulate her sister into some kind of sex slavery to creatures (semi-canon). Slade pulls double duty for two Titans and keeps on grooming Beast Boy's gfs. There's no end to the possibilities.
You can't convince me mad mod isn't a groomer he's a 60's British tv presenter
Would he even waste time with grooming? He can hypnotize.
Thatcher style Authoritarian power trip
>They ALL should have had groomer villains
There's Slade, Melchior, Brother Blood, and the Cironielian Chrysalis Eater, at least.
No one groomed Beast Boy, unless you count Mother Mae Eye.
>Cironielian Chrysalis
Who was that?
The white spider alien that tried to eat Starfire when she was going through puberty.
>They ALL should have had groomer villains
This.
Groomers are the final boss of Teen Titans.
Starting with Bruce Wayne.
Slade grooms Robin (and Terra), dragon guy grooms Raven, Blackfire grooms Starfire, Brother Blood grooms Cyborg, Terra is successfully groomed into a permanent villain and grooms Beast Boy.
Is this post a joke or did you miss the point that hard? That episode’s entire message is that while he acted like Raven’s charming prince by understanding her hobbies, he was just using her and didn’t care about Raven at all; meanwhile Beast Boy who was portrayed as the doofus that didn’t understand Raven’s tastes, was in the end used to show that he is her friend and likes her as a person despite not quite getting her magic shenanigans.
TL;DR: people who appreciate you shows love even if they don’t understand all of your hobbies and tastes.
>groomer dragon
Seems to cover it.
Yes. There are many kinds of character chemistry. They were designed to force each other out of their comfort zone. Likely used as devices for each other to show they have more than one layer. He's more than a class clown, she's more than a goth chick, etc. But when it came to shipping, the fandom did that.
Like bleach and ammonia
nah, beast boy was kind of a creepy little dork
>raven is chilling
>beast boy usually antagonizes her somehow like calling her a no fun freak
>They patch things up
Literally all their interactions
Beast Boy but he was one of those class clowns with a persecution complex. Constantly being annoying, telling unfunny jokes, even lashing out. Then acts like a victim when someone gets annoyed and tells him to stop. He a tough upbringing with the Doom Patrol so I'm willing to give him some slack but come on man.
>Literally all
It happened once.
>raven's emotions episode
>beast boy acting like a dick because of the werewolf shit
Happened more than once.
No the other poster say I won't claim it happened once but the first claim was all the time, which isn't true, most of Beast Boys interactions with her are positive, most of hers are sarcastic but that's how she socializes.
Usually raven is minding her own buisness and bb along with cyborg are doing hijinks. BB then does some dumb shit to annoy raven. Not once have we seen them chatting or doing things unless some shit happened. Like Beast Boy acting like he has a monster inside him
They did.
No, people just project sexual tension onto any interaction between attractive characters. You're currently browsing a board where people regularly see sexual tension between characters that are 10 year old siblings. Shipping has always been 99.9% horny and 0.01% actually giving half a shit about how the characters are written.
I never really saw it personally. Was never interested in any ships with the team in this show honestly.
Beast Boy was depicted as too much of a hapless moron for most of the run of the show.
No, Raven is like 15 mentally, while Beast boy is barely 9
Cinemaphile is the only place I've seen not fully on the BBxRae bandwagon. It's kinda funny.
Contrarianism is a hell of a drug
Cute
I really don't see what people like about it, is it just people self inserting on beast boy?
Shipping aspect. Goth girl and an energetic funny dude
>is it just people self inserting on beast boy?
Most popular ships are this.
Oh come on anon, "opposites attract" is an old as shit romantic concept in fiction. You've been on Cinemaphile too long to pretend you don't get it. If I was going to self-insert into anyone, it would be Cyborg. He should have been the one to change Jinx, not fricking Kid Flash.
I enjoy seeing such unalike people interact with each other, I enjoy seeing how they rub each other the wrong way, I enjoy seeing them find the rare things they have in common, I enjoy the little compromises they make for each other, I enjoy seeing the rollercoaster of their relationship through the high and lows of it, and I enjoy all the effort it takes to get to the finish line. Simple as that.
Kid Flash/Jinx is cute and all but I agree, Cyborg had a whole thing with her that couldve been built up more. Kinda weird they didnt go that angle.
They went that angle in TTG, didn't they?
I dont know, I havent watched it. I gave it a fair three episodes and dipped the frick out when it started airing.
Its not just opposites attract. Beast Boy and Raven could get stuck in an elevator together and you could still have an episode. The writers knew the two could easily spark conflict between them so its never a dull moment. At least, I'm just talking about the TT animated series. I'm sure they weren't being shipped because that role was for Rbin and Starfire. But when Beast Boy and Raven interact, their organic chemistry just takes over.
There were a lot of alternatives never explored. Robin takes himself too seriously while Beast Boy never takes anything seriously. Beast Boy just goofs around with Cyborg all the time. Why didn't they hit it off? Raven and Starfire had a body swap episode. I thought they made a great team but they never did anything more after that.
It's one of those ships that brings down both characters involved, like Bruce x Barbara or PB x Marceline, if you care about the story and the characters in any capacity past shipping nonsense, you won't be into BBRae
>Cinemaphile is the only place I've seen not fully on the BBxRae bandwagon.
the autists here can't self-insert on the funny, charismatic clown. They all self-insert on boring autistic leader types like Robin or Cyclops.
No, literally just babby's first ship.
This. I was a huge bbrae shipper in middle school. Even wrote fanfics, God it was cringe. I eventually grew out of it and moved my attention elsewhere.
Yes.
Beast Boy can drag her out of her dark, gloomy and broody world and into a bright happy one.
Raven can be a shoulder to help burden Garfield's sad and lonely past.
Check the comics out if you wanna see official Raven x Beast Boy.
No wiener like horsewiener
It’s pretty funny watching BB/Raven fans cope about their ship. I don’t know why zoomers are so obsessed with them. It’s especially funny when they’re talking about Robin/Raven. “Yes Robin and Raven had more meaningful plot interactions. Yes BB was completely irrelevant to Raven’s Trigon arc. Yes Robin was the most important character to Raven in this arc. But it’s cause MUH SIBLINGS. he would have done it for anyone!” YEAH AND HE DID IT FOR RAVEN b***h. Fricking zoomers
Is it really coping when they're the ones winning?
Starfire/Raven and beast boy/Robin are better versions of the same idea , Starfire can breakthrough Ravens guard without being annoying and Robin can appreciate beast boys jokes after getting away from batman
That’s gay though.
Beast boy needs someone to build him up not tear him down for expressing himself Raven is a huge b***h who gets away with it cause she has big breasts
Beast boy needs someone honest to curb his enthusiasm and Raven needs someone who can feel on her behalf.
She's not someone who would hurt him but she is someone who would try to stop him from getting hurt.
Raven has a really dark horrible history that explains why shes so well dead inside, you saw Trigon right imagine having to deal with that fricker since you were a kid.
Wasn't Raven raised in Azarath? She was fricked up because they taught her to not feel any emotions to avoid her being possessed by Trigon.
I got a headcanon that Raven also had to deal with repressed monk lust.
>Did they have chemistry?
None whatsoever, in any version of TT
Hell no Beast Boy are Terra were a nice pairing that is until the writers realized comic Terra is a psycho
Writers knew Terra was a psycho from the beginning. She was brought into the show to be a slow burn psycho.
No they don't. How could someone ship Beast Boy with anyone but Starfire? Next Thread.
When I first saw them being shipped, I thought people doing it were insane and tasteless. Same with Jinx and cyborg.
>Jinx and Cyborg
Romantically that has an actual basis in the show. It's shown and told explicitly. BBRae is not really so much as hinted at. Just look at how the actual shipping pairs are handled in comparison. They're good friends but no indication is given of something more.
>Did they have chemistry?
This kind of chemistry, yes.
They did not at best you could read them a brother sister, but neither ever showed any appreciation for the others form. Beast boy had more appreciation for Kitten body then Raven's.
Raven for herself showed massive interest in Robin, and some for Cyborg.
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Why some people get so mad at this shipping? You guys just can't stop complaining about it! Is this some sort of self insert rage?
If you already know the answer then why ask?
My problem with this sort of shipping is two fold
>every time Raven and Beast Boy appear in anything they have to be together to appease shippers
>90% of Raven r34 has green dicks to appease shippers
And all because some mentally ill tumblrgay class clowns read too much into a "comedian aggravates straight man" dynamic between two characters on a team
>check degeneracy
>gets mad when degeneracy shows up
>every time Raven and Beast Boy appear in anything they have to be together to appease shippers
Post-TT03, only TTG has paired them up, unless you count comics no one reads. The DCAMU paired Raven up with Damian, and YJ paired BB with a literal who Terra stand-in.
>90% of Raven r34 has green dicks to appease shippers
Oh no! Not the porn! Is nothing sacred!?
Fairly honest YJ was gonna pair Beast Boy with Raven if they had gotten another season. It's similar to all the ships Weisman does.
Similar how?
Anon, S1 Superboy/Miss Martian is the exact same ship but with the genders reversed.
YJ BB was just kind of there for me so I don't know if I would have cared if they did.
Well that would've been the problem, Raven being explored in her YJ incarnation and just being delegated to being "just kind of there" BB's frickhole
Why does this ship infuriate so many people? Not a lot of Cinemaphile ships that make people this angry.
People want to self insert as Raven's boyfriend and gets angry at Beast Boy being her lover.
Top tier waifu being derailed to be paired off with the self insert of failed class clowns. There's really no one you could pair her off to to make people satisfied, i.e. everyone was mad about her x Damien too, she's a waifu behemoth like that.
I think if she was paired with Starfire back in the early 2000s we'd think it was sexy and no one's self-insertion would be threatened.
Dumb yurigay. If she's into girls, how is any guy going to be able to self-insert?
There's no guy involved to be jealous of if he's not exactly like you, so you just get to enjoy hot girls making out and imagine yourself getting both of them.
As the guy they go straight for. How new are you?
They'd never have a guy turn lesbians straight in the show. You'd have to rely on fanfics for that.
>As the guy they go bi for.
FTFY. They're horny for each other and for (You). They aren't competition like Robin or Beast Boy or Kid Flash. Your waifu's waifu is your waifu too.
>troony self inserter
I'm talking back in the early 2000s, before everyone was obsessed with trannies.
That's more because I dislike Damien, also it required deaging her for it to make sense.
>the self insert robingay is calling others self insert
>note there isn't a single beastboy gay around
Fricking cringe.
Someone should use bing to gen Raven with a large green Werewolf
Yes, and TTGO went further beyond with it
As the class clown and brooding realist archetype, sure
Other than that, BB is for never-ending suffering
Raven is the only woman desperate enough to sleep with Beast Boy and Beast Boy is the only guy dumb enough to sleep with Raven. It makes sense.
Oh so you haven't met Jill Jackson. Beast boy first love or any other girl that didn't know he was beast boy,before the unmasking.
We can blame Marv Wolfman for that because he's the one who brought her back just to throw her away again.
Yeah but they mention raven was.desperate to sleep with gar when we had Jill and other women ready to drop to their knees for him. Not to mention Zachary zantana straight up don't like gar cause raven chose gar over what ever was going on between them.
>Yeah but they mention raven was.desperate to sleep with gar when we had Jill and other women ready to drop to their knees for him
Yeah it's a joke anon.
At least wolfman had her go away without killing her, unlike many others.
>Did they have chemistry?
None whatsoever