It mostly feels like it's done out of irony and for the sake of referencing to gain attention rather than a sense of verisimilitude. Akira bike level jingling keys.
Does anyone else hate when westerners reference anime in their work
It mostly feels like it's done out of irony and for the sake of referencing to gain attention rather than a sense of verisimilitude. Akira bike level jingling keys.
God the anime was the worst thing that ever happened to JoJo. Araki should have gotten a stroke after Steel Ball Run.
cringe
>Araki should have gotten a stroke after Steel Ball Run.
based
On the one hand, I'm old enough to remember going to anime cons in the 90's and asking for JJBA stuff and dealers saying, "I don't know what that is." You couldn't find a poster back in the day, let alone all the merch we have now. On the other hand, fans after 2012 are fricking insufferable, so you take the good with the bad.
JoJo is awful from start to finish. The entire thing is just Araki making shit up as he goes and doing only what he thinks is cool in the moment and when he finally power creeped himself into a corner he just flipped the table over so to speak, pulling a nonsense ending out of his ass where the heroine doesn't even get to be the one to defeat the antagonist (JJBA uses women really poorly, even worse than something like FotNS where characters like fricking Airi at least get SOMETHING) and then the universe is reset invalidating everything you've read because Araki didn't want to have to worry about the continuous story he'd built.
Frick I hate JoJo.
More authors should do what's cool in the moment.
Doing what you think is cool works when you still have a plan and attempt to make it work with the story that you're telling. Doing something cool simply because it's cool and not caring if it fricks up or fits with the story you're telling is how you end up with shit like Bendis or the Krakoa Sex Cult.
The difference in your examples is that, even in his senility, Araki is a competent writer, so even when he forgets it's not like you get Bendis-tier writing, you just get shit like Dio forgetting he has eye lasers.
>Araki is a competent writer
But he's not. He's competent if your experience with manga is entry level shit and your experience with American comics is like the last 15 years of Big Two stuff.
I mean, I'm not going to sway your opinion and you're not going to sway mine, but there's a reason JoJo endures to this day and has only gained fans 40 years from its first publication, and has had a huge impact on a lot of authors you probably wouldn't consider "entry level." (Also, appeals to the idea of entry level anime just makes you a circle jerker trying to find the most obscure anime you can think of in an attempt to sound enlightened. Nobody gives a frick if you've watched Omishi Mahou Gekijou, homie.)
>whaaa women don’t do anything
God forbid homosexual men have anything
>universe is reset invalidating everything you've read
No it didn't moron.
You didn't understand shit. SBR is not the universe after resetting, just another universe completely different. Ireneverse is the universe from parts 1 to 6 just with slightly differences, Jotaro, Jolyne, FF, Annasui, Weather Report and Hermes died during Made in heaven so they couldn't come back, but their roles are filled with altered versions of themselves. All the other characters didn't die or ceased to exist.
the irene verse is basically the same universe if dio didnt exist and the jojo curse was gone. irene is basically the name jolyne without the jo-
The universe reset only erased Pucci and changed Jolyne name
You non-readers should be quiet
Akira bike thing is a tradition at this point
I'm sick of that shit, tradition my ass, at least reference another scene
>American OC Sonic shit
That's even worse, those comics are as cringe as a human can get
The Akira slide is just as distracting as the wilhelm scream at this point. It’s not cool anymore
>The Akira slide is just as distracting as the wilhelm scream at this point. It’s not cool anymore
fricking this. BTAS was doing the akira slide and tmnt 2k3 did it. I'm fricking sick of it. Yeah you saw Akira or something that ripped it off, we get it. Come up with something new already.
That's not tradition, that's closer to recycling at this point.
I mean i'll never get tired of anyone making fun of yamcha.
that's not a yamcha joke.
It's the same joke.
Some of these are reaches ngl, just because a moving object stops sideways doesn't make it a reference
Akira slide is a cliche already, the better ones just integrate it into the story unobtrusively instead of winking at the audience
A T shirt level reference is fine. Don't really care about that
Steven Universe standing in a circle clapping and saying congratulations - shit that's just really weird if you don't get the reference and still pretty bizarre if you do - that shit I don't like
Poor April
What do you mean? April's appetite is sign that she is financially stable.
It's a sign that she must be RICH
Funny, I learned about Casablanca and Citizen Kane through cartoon references mostly. Or King Kong, one of the first movie classics and it's still culturally relevant.
But referencing Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters etc makes sense because they're timelessly cool. Do you think referencing Freddy or Jason for horror doesn't work?
>When ya style develops
Is that a Jojo reference?!
>YES I AM
Yes.
Poor girl
There aren't enough reaction images of people vomiting to do this design the justice it deserves.
But by God, we'll do our best.
Fine make her black but Jesus Christ at least make her sexy.
she's shaped like a Klasky Csupo character
Nice Jojoke
wish theyd reference anime and make Apri cute
It’s fine, but they always reference the most well known stuff and never anything that’s less known. It doesn’t feel like the creator is showing off something cool he likes, it’s just “hey everyone else likes this thing, let’s reference it!”
Back when shonenshit was allowed to have casual nudity
Don’t think Kaori ever got naked, as far as I can recall
You can see her naked ass in the opening of season 4
Also You can see some of the other girls nipples
http://chikubiwiki.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/ 乳首が見えるアニメ%2Fさ行%2Fし%2Fシティーハンター
>Entire wiki dedicated to anime nipples
Based Japs
I find it kind of funny, since they'd disavow at least half the shows they reference if they were produced today or in America.
We have the anime bath guy. He's pretty dedicated to his cause.
There was anime-fanservice . org but that died out years ago.
Damn! Kaori's ass is flat as frick, poor girl
Fricking Zoomers don't understand that until the 2000s a big ass was considered a bad thing in mainstream culture.
Why are these "why did x fail but y succeeded" so stupid but so funny.
Dr Slump never got a proper American release despite how popular Dragon Ball is, the only region to dub both the 1981 original and the 1997 remake outside of Japan was LatAm
City Hunter's mangaka's other series (Cat's Eye) had a great OST, that second ending theme was great
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look at that clumsy soulful attempt are butt service
nowadays it would be stretched out anatomically correct clitoris poking through wet fabric amid engorged mons
it was a different time
Back then animators were referencing grainy magazine photos or movie stills. Now you've got internet porn.
wait, ranma got three movies?
it's fine, none of them were any good
they tried too hard to turn a silly comedy into a DBZ clone
>none of them were any good
Go frick yourself, Nihao My Concubine was incredible and holds up to this day.
sure, animation is outstanding, but stories are major poopsville, c'mon
but if you were able to find enjoyment out of the same 10 jokes recycled forever, good on you mate, enjoy yourself
The story for Nihao My Concubine was great, and all of the characters got some progression. (Even if some of it got ignored in the series proper, but that's anime movies in general.)
I'll agree that Big Trouble in Nekonlon China is an awful movie, though.
how's the 3rd one?
Literally forgettable. I know I've watched it, since I remember the dumb giant phoenix chicken, but that's it. I've never bothered to go back and watch it again after 30 years, but I watch movie 2 at least once a year.
I was just checking the wiki, and yeah, it's just a 30 minute "ova," probably sandwiched with some other shorts to make a feature for theatrical market for that year
Two and a half, the last movie was basically just a normal episode with a higher budget that was released in theaters. Its runtime was 25 minutes.
Honestly, I'd prefer if the references were at least to something 'cool'. 90% of anime references in modern animation are the same anime 'references' as people were making 20 years ago: magical girl transformation, speed racer dub talking, super saiyan, etc. Its all ancient shit, as if Sailor Moon or Dragonball Z are anything at all relevant to modern anime.
Even a Gurren Lagann reference would be pretty dated by now, but at least thats decades more recent. But something like a demon slayer or MHA reference would be something that the target demographics of these cartoons would actually recognize, and are popular and recognizable enough for the reference to land.
But those sort of relevant references don't happen because the decisionmaking power is in the hands of boomers who are only vaguely aware that kids like pokemon.
Personally would love to see a show reference City Hunter or Dirty Pair.
>Sailor Moon or Dragonball Z are anything at all relevant to modern anime.
I get your point but both of these shows are still hugely relevant. DBZ works are still coming out and Sailor Moon is still enormously influential on the relevant genres (and also has had relatively recent new works in Crystal).
Maybe shows are actually filled with hyper-obscure references you don't get.
The more niche a reference the less people end up getting it.
And that's a good thing
This show much just slapping a logo in some shirt or dressing a character like the latest or popular anime feels like you are a poser trend chasing. But adding some obscure reference that makes someone chuckle is better.
City Hunter's normie-tier in Frogland, though.
Japan too. It was MASSIVELY popular in the 80s. American fans have really skewed ideas of what's "obscure" based on what happens to come over here.
Just like FotNS. I have no idea how a post apocalyptic bloody kung fu show didn't do gang busters in the good ole US of A.
I think it just came a little too early and missed the 90s anime/manga boom. There was a shitty 1995 American live-action film version that no one saw.
It's all entrylevels who have never bothered to explore the medium beyond a surface level interest, little different than people who are "into superheroes" but only watch the MCU or don't try and explore beyond the occasional X-Men comic (they couldn't tell you shit about, say, Gerber).
>they never reference anything that's less known
It's co-adjacent because of the comic, but the "Starwatch" season of Overwatch 2, they gave Sigma a "Galactic Emperor" skin that's based off Braiking Boss, and I have never seen a single person on the internet get that reference. Everyone was like, "Oh, he's supposed to be M. Bison!"
Based city hunter fan
Lupin had a crossover with Cat's Eye too, it wasn't good at all but they had it
Makes me hope there’s a crossover between City Hunter and Lupin at some point
why do the cat's eye girls look like totally spies now? ironic since one of totally spies' main influences was cat's eye. it's like they went full circle.
Think it’s based on the newer designs they have now
>Lets remove the sexy out of the show about the sexy
Genius!
It's just as cringe as when they reference video games.
>video games are either space invaders, not mario, or not generic FPS
>anime is either A HECKIN JOJO REFERENCE, sailor moon, dbz, pokemon, or generic harem visual novel
It really is funny how depictions of both mediums are effectively permanently stuck in the 80's or 90's. And you can't blame the age of the creators for this, younger millennial working on these shows have zero memories of the 90's.
The creators might not be trapped in the 80s or 90s, but their bosses and producers are. The references have to made sense to them, if they are confused by it they will demand it be changed to something they do understand.
I don't think making an Ah! My Goddess or Boku wa Imouto or Elfen Lied reference would frickin' fly, dog. Or a Ninja Gaiden Black or Shadow of the Colossus.
>Shadow of the Colossus
Literally was a major plot point in Reign Over Me.
>Ah! My Goddess
I fell in love with Belldandy. And the author was putting stirrup socks in shit in the 80s/90s. ahead of his time.
To be fair, not their fault that's when the classics were made. Like with movies.
Relying on 'classics' for references leaves you out of touch. It'd be like using Casablanca for anytime someone was watching a movie. You just start wondering "why are they watching an old movie? do they like old movies?" unnecessarily.
I mean, if you portrayed anime as a generic isekai or more modern romantic comedy then you'd be a lot more genuine.
Relying on 'classics' for references leaves you out of touch. It'd be like using Casablanca for anytime someone was watching a movie. You just start wondering "why are they watching an old movie? do they like old movies?" unnecessarily.
I mean, if you portrayed anime as a generic isekai or more modern romantic comedy then you'd be a lot more genuine.
>It'd be like using Casablanca for anytime someone was watching a movie.
So it'd show you have excellent taste?
Good != relevant
The absolute state of Zoomer scum.
>You just start wondering "why are they watching an old movie? do they like old movies?" unnecessarily.
No I don't.
There's only like 3 animes post 2000 that anyone cares about that isn't Shonen Jump related, because the 99% rest of it is all moeblob slop or coomslop.
Coomslop is the best kind of anime tho
there are more anime than moe SoL, but you won't see them posted on Cinemaphile, true
The late 00's called. They want their shittakes back.
The 70's called.
They told me to call you a homosexual, then died of a cocaine overdose.
What other series are popular though? K-On seems to have a sizeable following of Twitter racists.
>What other series are popular though?
Nowadays?
Basically any seasonal show that gets memed enough or is popular with Asian women can end up being on the global top viewed alongside whatever the current popular shounen are.
>The late 00's called.
Nobody in the late 00's called anyone. Your premise is flawed. Get a new bit homosexual.
I fricking hate anime
Alright grandpa, time for bed.
Don't act like you gays wouldn't complain in they referenced Demon Slayer or some other zoomer anime
I'm still waiting for Watamote references.
Call me when they start referencing Boku no Pico.
Maybe on Family Guy
>No one could have such stale, mundane taste in anime.
>This must be either a mean-spirited joke or cynical desperation
Why invent these excuses when "The writers are stupid" will also do?
>TMNT movie
>Doesn't reference Samurai Pizza Cats
Wasted opportunity
I heard that the dub was so popular it was shipped back to Japan as a sub.
It sounds like bullshit, but I want it to be true anyway.
Depends how they do it.
When it's a spoof at common tropes done with original content, I'm cool with that.
When it's ripping scenes and calling it an homage, I think that's lame.
When it's just references particular anime, then I'm also less enthusiastic about that.
That being said, a shirt is a shirt and doesn't rank as worth mentioning.
>I heard that the dub was so popular it was shipped back to Japan as a sub.
>It sounds like bullshit, but I want it to be true anyway.
That's a lie, In Japan they only ever sold the original show and due to legal frickery it didn't got a proper home media release there until 2021, nowadays is pretty popular in Japan amongst mechagays and has plenty of merch being shat out to this day
In USA they do have 2 different DVD releases one subbed for the original 54 ep anime and the one for the 52 ep dubbed version, the english version also removed all the lewd shit and for some reason they removed plenty of Princess Vi's scenes
>nowadays is pretty popular in Japan amongst mechagays
I forgot they had giants robots in the show
Best Tatsunoko show after the 70s Yatterman
It's extremely camp. The "Bowlderizations" were also on point
Thank god Jojo is still weird enough to filter out all the normalgays that only pretend to like anime because its popular
Maybe 10 years ago, JoJo is hugely popular now.
Every "anime fan" I talk to knows of Jojo but only watched one or two episodes or "hasnt gotten around to it"
Lol bullshit
I even see normie YouTubers frequently reference JoJo
You know what cartoon has a JoJo reference?
Fricking Paw Patrol
>Paw Patrol
W-what
Maybe I'm wrong, frick
Yup
This is because the first 6 episodes are extremely boring and while Joseph rules, they butcher his character to build up his intolerable Japanese son
Look at the bright side at least is Jojo and not One Piece
Weirdly One Piece is kind of obscure in the US. It's nowhere near as popular as in Japan and only recently became more well-known after the infamously disastrous attempt to introduce it into the US in 2004.
>Weirdly One Piece is kind of obscure in the US
My guy, it 100% is. It's really weird that the most popular manga in the rest of the world only became more well-known in the US in the last decade or so. It's weird what breaks into the US market and what doesn't. Another example is Doraemon, one of the most popular characters in the world outside of the US but never made it here for pic related reasons.
Bro it's been popular in the US since around 2010, that's over a decade now since Toei actually started simulcasting the episodes and Funimation took over the dub from 4kids.
One Piece isn't suddenly popular, it's everyone talking about how the whole Wano arc got a major upgrade in animation quality compared to the last couple of years of bullshit.
Oddly enough I am liking wano more than whole cake. Maybe because whole cake was supposed to be cashing a check from fishman isle with big mom that sorta bounced.
I can't imagine watching the One Piece anime having read the manga. It can already be a slog reading at my own pace, let alone having to choke down 30-minute blocks of that.
Up until sometime after the time skip the pace of the anime isn't too bad. Impel down felt like it started to drag a bit, but then there were a few anime-only filler arcs that definitely dragged as well. Fishman Isle was ok but again, it was the start of a longer and longer arcs.
>Bro it's been popular in the US since around 2010
>One Piece isn't suddenly popular
Yes, it is, that's my point. 2010 is "suddenly" for a series that's been running since 1997 and has been the unquestioned best-selling manga ever since then. It's really weird how long it took to get popular here when it's been unbelievably huge literally everywhere else for decades.
>moving the goalposts
You're just too young to understand the context of what you're talking about. You've only known the last few years when it's been a thing in the US and so think it was always like that.
Anon I don't know how to tell you this, but 13 years is not SUDDENLY. 2010 and 2011 are when it peaked at yearly sales with 33 and 37 million copies sold for those years, and like I said we had to deal with the 4kids dub over here which soured first impressions.
Just because you don't pay attention doesn't mean things aren't happening.
>Anon I don't know how to tell you this, but 13 years is not SUDDENLY
It is when you're talking about the world's most popular comic series that's been running for 26 years.
>we had to deal with the 4kids dub over here which soured first impressions.
Yes, that's my point. We had a weird delay in adopting it unlike everywhere else.
Glad we agree.
>It is when you're talking about the world's most popular comic series that's been running for 26 years.
Okay let me break this down for you.
One piece came out in 99.
4kids got the rights to dub the anime in 04, that lasted till 07 and it was shit and most people disliked it and left a sour taste in people's mouth. It's been 8 years since the release of One Piece here at this point, so keep up.
Funimation gets the dubbing rights sometime around 08, it airs on Toonami for a year before getting removed because nobody realized that it was a different company doing the dub.
2010 rolls around and Toei starts simulcasting the series so that we have subs within an hour of it airing in Japan. 2010-2011 are peak One Piece sales, and people finally start noticing the Funimation dub.
One Piece got popular in the United States at around this time, which means that 11 years after it was created it was able to move past the stigma of 4kids and reach a popularity with the American crowd.
It has been 12 years since 2011 Anon, you have to stop pretending that a fricking decade and some change is 'recent' just because you don't see morons running around in Akatsuki cloaks at the local mall.
I mean, its not a mystery. The localization for OP was notoriously jank. Cut out the 4kids crap, people start liking the show.
Doesn't take a haruspex to figure this out.
>Simulcast began, one of the first major simulcast shows
>Massive hype increase during the Summit War arc
>Manga speed up in the US since we were like 40 volumes behind
>4Kids dub was over and Funimation was doing their release, which was popular and well received by fans after the 4Kids
It really wasn't suddenly, 2009-2010 was the period One Piece healed from the 4Kids dub. It was a marketing push but that was 13 years ago and it almost all word of mouth due to the sheer hype of the White Beard War. It's certainly popular enough in the US to be a mainstream title.
I asked some of my zoomer casual anime-watching fans. Apparently, a lot of people binged One Piece during the lockdowns, which is why it's suddenly jumped up to normalgay status in the last few years.
Kinda interesting now that the dub is now only 80 episodes behind the sub.
Can confirm. Zoomer relatives of mine did the same thing. They're now going nuts because the release schedule for subbed episodes is apparently really bad and it's going to take them 3 more years to catch up to where the anime is right now because they take so long to produce things.
>subbed
Meant dubbed. Zoomers apparently hate subtitles.
It's actually interesting because the dub's up to 990. The sub's at 1070.
The dub has actually never been closer. They released episode 1000 a little over a week ago. The Japanese version is "only" 70 episodes ahead.
>They released episode 1000 a little over a week ago.
Oh really? Rad!
I guess they sped up due to the lockdown. I remember watching the dub during impel down and a good chunk of the episodes were eaten up by a fricking filler arc for the movie.
I'm a Zoomer myself, it really depends on what I watched first. If I watched the sub first I'll watch it subbed, if I watched it dubbed I'll watch it dub.
2010 was also when Naruto's war arc began, so people who fell off it were probably looking for new Shonen anyway.
That explains a lot. It was fricking weird seeing an 8-10-year-old at a hotel in Lake Tahoe I was staying wearing Luffy's hat
The kid probably binged the frick out of the show during the pandemic
I wonder what other old animes zoomers have found and fallen in love with. I know One Piece is not that old but you know what I mean
My nephew's binge watched all of Dragon ball through Super in the last month. It's kind of crazy. Other kids in his school have as well, which is why he's watched it on his summer break.
>It's kind of crazy.
Why?
Basically having access to decades worth of shows from before they were born and able to binge through it in a month. It surprised me that my nephew told me that kids in his school talk about Naruto. Yeah Boruto exists, but the fact that they're actually starting from Naruto in interesting. compare to how it was when I was growing up where we went three sagas into DBZ before Dragon Ball was brought over.
Is it any wierder to me watching looney tunes and tom and jerry over relevent shows during the 90s when I was a kid?
If it's entertainment it's entertainment, and all of these shows are archiced online, free to watch at any time. It's how I even seen shit like PPGZ and Gurren Lagenn because without the internet I wouldn't have even known it existed since I'm not Japanese.
You also seem to think no one talks about these shows casually in e celeb videos, countless commentary videos on youtube always have 90s kids talking about shit they watched and that's how zoomers find out about them.
I'm gonna be honest anon when I used the word "crazy" it was more bemusement that my nephew is into the same stuff I was. Your points make sense it's just interesting how many options really are available, I kind of take it for granted
PPGZ did air in LatAm and is pretty popular with spics, it was so popular it had tons of merch and even McDonalds toys, HBO MAX LatAm also has the show
moronation or bait?
>My guy
bait or failed abortion. no either-or.
Relatively speaking. People know of it, but it's a big, daunting giant thing that marks a "hardcore" fan in the US.
Like Naruto and Dragon Ball are also dense shonens but because enough people drip watched them in the 90's-2010's they're familiar with them. A casual anime fan will know the Akasuki. Casual fans won't recognize groups from One Piece that way.
It's probably because it was overshadowed by Naruto outside of Japan (and sometimes Bleach before you know).
4kids botched it so hard that no one wanted to talk about One Piece in the west for a decade.
It's because the 4kids dub was such dog shit that it cucked and chance it had. If that shit aired on like cartoon network like Naruto did it would have become a house hold name.
What's the most obscure anime reference in mainstream media? I'm guessing the Birdy the Mighty fight being referenced in Man of Steel ranks up there.
>I'm guessing the Birdy the Mighty fight being referenced in Man of Steel ranks up there.
Wait, what? Proof?
https://s.animeanime.jp/article/2013/08/24/15313_2.html
Cool. Whatever staffer brought that up to Snyder has based taste. Birdy's a title I haven't heard in ages.
Code Lyoko was inspired by Serial Experiments Lain and the Xana symbol is loosely based on the Tachibana symbol, I don't know if that counts. Lain is far from obscure among anime fans but in terms of mainstream pop culture nobody has heard of it
I don't inherently hate references to anime, but every time it happens the staff behind these shows and movies find a way to make me feel like I do. They're just so fricking annoying.
No, I love it.
If I could write a Teen Titans Go! episode it would be a Detective Conan parody where Robin keeps getting shit on as he carries Batman through a locked room murder case.
Agreed, anime is for troons and shouldn't be referenced.
Thanks for the reminder, li'l zoomie troon.
The only good western anime crossovers are the yaoi episode of South Park and the Lois x Paradise Kiss drawings made by a Family Guy staff member
>Lois x Paradise Kiss drawings made by a Family Guy staff member
Damn, now that's an interesting pull.
They’re kino
I appreciate that they went with Paradise Kiss instead of the more obvious Nana.
PK is kind of frustrating but in a good way, because it’s fairly down to earth in depicting that life doesn’t go as planned for most people. I found it really funny that out of all western animation someone working on Family Guy has the best taste and sense of humor to have thought these up
Literally the only time Lois has looked hot.
Given the fact that so many people in the last 20 years who work in animation have read a ton of manga beyond the popular stuff, I'd wager there's a ton of anime references floating out there that people don't get because what they're homaging is so minor(an outfit, a specific scene, a side character) and not as well known as a top 10 shonen, with no overlap between fandoms that it just falls through the cracks
Like I just feel some animator out there who is putting a copy of a side character from some romance manga they read in 2008 in a preschool cartoon.
Hell of a fricking crossover. Is there a link to this person's art somewhere?
I feel the same way about internet memes in cartoons but the target audience eats it up. So keys go jingle I guess.
As if you're not clapping like a trained seal whenever a show or movie references something you like.
Do you, anon?
Used to more. I watched Scorsese's Cape Fear remake a little while ago and Max Cady had a Dr. Strange page taped to his prison cell wall. Little references like that to comics in mainstream stuff used to be really fun. Now that it's everywhere it kind of sucks the fun out of it.
Totally understandable. I've got mixed feelings about it. Sometimes it feels like it's just trying to reference something popular because it's popular, but sometimes it manages to get a giggle out of me or a little smile. Just in the interest of being honest.
I bet it was Nicolas Cantu, I remember him knowing about it and caused him to rage quite a beat saber stream.
You watching underage boys streaming, anon?
I was around his age at the time.
Literally canon
I loathe anime references. Not because I dislike anime, but because I hate fake fans and normals.
Don't get what the big deal is honestly, TMNT is just as boomer as Jojo and I uhhh.... kinda like the references
Which references do you like in particular?
The spongebob one made me smile
Haven't seen TMNT mm yet. What's the reference?
He's just in the background
Interesting. Kinda curious about the ninja rap though.
It plays on a radio when the Turtles are beating some thieves up.
So does "boomer" just mean "older than me" now?
>now
It has for several years at this point. It'll probably fall out of fashion. Much like fedora tipping did. And a few others that I've totally already forgotten about.
Has language always evolved this fast? What the frick is the evolutionary benefit to this?
It's just kids being kids.
>What the frick is the evolutionary benefit to this?
To separate the hip from the square.
Oh shit I've just outed myself as a Melvin
Frick!
>Has language always evolved this fast?
Widespread access to instant communication across the world has certainly increased the speed these things move at. Look at the number of households with internet access from 20 years ago compared to today. Technology has a driving force in how things like language change. Also look at the proliferation of things such as internet connected devices like smartphones from about 2008 ish to today. Again it's less evolution and more social and cultural change. Language is brutal mob rule. Words are defined by common use.
And this isn't touching on things like people intentionally using or redefining words for political motives.
>What the frick is the evolutionary benefit to this?
To test who's attuned to social norms, who isn't.
Fisherian runaway in social adaption
Always did to zoomers
They should reference Ishuzoku Reviewers
Jojo truly is normalgay core
You know I'd like a Bleach reference one of these days.
Everything about this movie feels really desperate. Like they really want the meme crowd to come and see it.
it's because marketing hates cartoons and would rather work on live action films
they don't understand why anyone would go see a cartoon, so they have to meme it up and try stupid shit to catch the eyes of "normal people"
>Does anyone else hate when westerners reference anime in their work
why shouldn't' they reference the superior works of art that inspired them to draw and enter the industry?
You think 20 somethings were inspired by frickgin Looney Toons, lmao
This is true, but don't bully the more sensitive Cinemaphilemrades who still haven't accepted this basic fact.
OP here. I personally don't about muh east vs west and just strictly find the jingling key aspect annoying. It's funny how modern works that reference end up being most shallow than the material they're referencing. "OH we're referencing something you'd rather be watching instead"
Joss Whedon and his quips have been devastating to western media in general
>You think 20 somethings were inspired by frickgin Looney Toons, lmao
Sad but true
Why do you go here?
I also enjoy cartoons and other media, surely you are not one of those losers stuck on a single board 24/7, are you anon?
You gush about the "superior works of art" and look down on actual Cinemaphiletent
Get the frick off this board
learn to context, moron
name any cartoon better than anime in the last 20 years
make me
>I also enjoy cartoons and other media,
Translation Note: You spam East vs West threads
not that guy, but I can see why you'd think that
you shoudl relax, if I can enjoy such an inferior form of entertainment as modern cartoons, you shouldn't be so ashamed of it either
>if I can enjoy such an inferior form of entertainment as modern cartoons, you shouldn't be so ashamed of it either
The only modern stuff I see these days are whatever Genndy's making and Invincible
Genndy is cool.
Invincible is mega cringe with random wokeshit inserting, but otherwise a fun watch.
>ou think 20 somethings were inspired by frickgin Looney Toons, lmao
Yeah that's moronic. It's not Looney Tunes. It's Disney. The entire anime style came from Tezuka aping fricking Duck comics. Anime girls are just duck girls. The entire weeb industry is just shitty 3rd rate photocopies of superior duck art.
cat girls, not duck
Cat girls now, but Tezuka invented anime and he wanted to be a funny animal artist
And anime inspired popular western cartoon movies, in the Little Mermaid review by Nostalgia Critic from a few months ago he did a interview with one of the animators and he said that they were inspired by 80s anime girls for Ariel's design but the animators had trouble with the eyes so they removed most of the "white spots" that anime characters at the time had and settled for only one white spot on her eyes for the final design
The jojo reference doesn't even phase me. Having a major climactic scene rely on an Attack on Titan reference is fricking moronic... But having one of Donnie's ONLY character traits being that he's a k-pop obsessed BTS fan is maybe the most hateful, vile thing I've seen anyone do to an existing character.
Nonsense
He's also a cute little shota whose voice hasn't broken yet
It's an excellent character trait
Go drink sewage, please.
So Donnie likes JOJO's.
What's the other turtles like?
>tfw Raph likes Slam Dunk
Leo would be all over Demon Slayer
Mikey would love Pop Team Epic
Raph would go nuts for Baki
Donnie would obsess about Kamen Rider
Leo - Katsuhiro Otomo stuff
Mike - Sakigake! Cromartie
Raph - mostly fight shounen
Don - Gundam
i think in the context of this movie specifically it makes sense since they're trying to be so cool its mobius loops on itself as being "these are just teenagers being themselves", in any other context it fricking blows.
>they're trying to be so cool it's Morbius
Ftfy
I'd rather have a TMNT that is distinctly out of sync with modern trends, because they aren't normal teens, they aren't average kids, they aren't even fully engaged with pop culture and social media. They're weirdo turtles who practice ninjitsu in the sewer and fight ninja gangs on rooftops. Trying to make them relatable makes them instantly more dated and instantly less likable because now they're some elderly israelite's idea of what he thinks other aging Gen X'rs think kids are like these days, according to corporate media... and this is supposed to be a goddamned super hero series.
Even though One Piece has the larger chapter count, I still say it's easier to get into than Naruto at any frickin' arc sans the time skip stuff. Let's be real, Naruto didn't have any good arcs, it just had good memorable fights. Outside of the Chuunin exams is there anything really memorable?
I thought the Zabuza arc was cool. Didn't watch much past the first chuunin exam arc, though, and read a bit of Shippuuden.
>Naruto didn't have any good arcs
Sasuke Retrieval Arc.
Jiraiya's whole arc before the Pain fight.
Not memorable, what?
Naruto actually has less formulaic arcs than most big shounen (which is partially just a result of copying HxH)
But I think people actually tend to prefer the formulaic arcs
>it's le different when japan does it!
East vs West gays should be exterminated
Not even an EvsW guy homosexual. Most anime won't air western shit in your face the way Americans do it. You even have the twitter account responding to it which adds more insincerity to the reference itself. Now go back to seething at my thread you disingenuous moron lol.
Meanwhile in JoJo
Pretty sure the chainsaw man op was nothing but western movie references but okay
there's nothing wrong with it in TMNT. What a shitty example.
>Does anyone else hate when westerners reference anime in their work
Jojo references western culture throughout, it's a westaboo franchise.
There's no issue
Referemces are fine, your characters acting and making anime faces cosntanstly or your entire fricking cartoon being just anime lite is canceroys beyond belief.
Teen Titans was good despite that tho
>your entire fricking cartoon being just anime lite
that's what TMNT is
It's even worse in shows like Amphibia where the anime and vidya references are actually part of the plot. Expect more of that shit as more millennials create their own shows.
>Zoomers start making shows
>everything is a reference to youtubers and twitch streamers
You are going to be irrelevant like the boomers are today, why did you think this wouldn't happen?
I was never relevant, just pointing out that zoomers like stupid shit and their stuff I'd going to be worse.
Boomers hated you playing games and watching cartoons instead of fricking real women and being billionaires like they were
You're more of a joke generation then the generation worshiping Elon Musk and Mr.Beast, they are being groomed into wanting to be filthy rich while millennials killed their genetics on 2D underaged girls and video games.
Nice try zoomer. You're going to be shipped off to die for gay rights in Ukraine while millenials get to watch you get slaughtered or have a nice day after trooning put
>in Ukraine
Keep up anon, they're gonna be dying in Niger now.
I for one can't wait to get comfy and watch.
One thing I will say about you zoomers is that your generation has fricking solidarity. I hated other millenials in my real life so I went online to hand out with 40 year old dorks and other outcast millennials. Meanwhile Zoomers will go up to bat to defend random normie zoomers who probably hate them.
Please tell me you don't get upset when seeing teens wearing clothes with anime.
>why won't ninja turtles reference this obscure shit anime that only a moron like me knows about?
anime is dragon ball and sailor moon.
I guess I'll diginify this with a response. Anime is mainstream now, and it has been for like 10 years. Referencing Naruto or One Piece or even Demon Slayer is not obscure. Especially when the latter was the highest grossing animated film in 2020. There's no denying it's place in the cultural zeitgeist.
>Referencing Naruto or One Piece or even Demon Slayer is not obscure.
That's basically anon's point. Those are the equivalent to Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon references. Mainstream.
Anime is just mainstream comics/cartoons now. It's not obscure. It's like if he had a hoodie of Spongebob. It's about the same popularity.
>anime is mainstream
You still wanna act like a moron?
I'm not the one confusing anime with videogames.
>Box office sales = Popularity
You're the one confusing concepts that don't necessarily correlate with each other. There are people who live in the shittiest parts of Africa and South America who know Goku's full storybeats and personality from Z than they do for the Flash other than he's le quick. Also using your argument, are you gonna say Captain Marvel is more popular than most of the DCEU because their movies have some of the most dogshit box office numbers and her movie managed to reach over $1 billion.
These figures are totally different from the ones on the Wiki page with this info, which is also shit for sources but at least isn't just some random's infographic
>In every one of those charts the source material is barely there and the majority of money is made from fricking merchandise. Usually plastic shit like funkos.
>people buy shit for kids
>le civilization is ending
reddit moment
>thinking that buying your kids funkos because they like batman instead of batman stories isn't causing a generation of plastic shit obsessed manchildren slaving away to buy coomer figures and gatcha shit.
Smoothbrain reductive take there dipshit-kun
just like gi joe, and barbies, and dolls right
You do realize that Dragon Ball Super Hero still had a higher profit.
I wouldn't say I hate it but I agree that it's often dishonest to some extent
I don't think I've ever seen anyone reference Monster despite it being popular with "anime is mature" crowd.
That's because that crowd doesn't work in western animation, they tend to lean more towards video games if they do any animation work.
That said, I've seen more video games inspired by Blame than anything inspired by Monster.
its always a disservice to the show/movie because it always takes me out of the experience.
It works because of the colors and that's pretty much all. Donatello strikes me as a Steins;Gate homie.
The bike slide in cartoons is akin to saying westerner in a comics and cartoons board.
>Does anyone else hate when easterners reference cartoons in their work
I hate dead MJ's timeline. I want out.
The Ninja turtles in the 80s and 90s were fans of 50s horror movies, and the only anime and manga series anyone likes was released 40 years ago, so them being weebs in the current incarnation would make sense
I just realized I don't care for TMNT, it's one of those things that's only venerated because it's been around for a long time
What's wrong with a teenage boy character enjoying an anime popular among teenage boys? This isn't the Akira slide. It's a character who you want to portray as an anime nerd saying "I like Akira". Why the frick is Cinemaphile media illiterate?
plus he's a nerdy martial artist whose father is Japanese
That's an alright reference, but if I see another Akira bike slide..
i find it pathetic, an inferior product remindering me that there's much better media i could be watching instead
>Leonardo: FMBA, Rurouni Kenshin, Mushishi, Golden Boy
>Donatello: Mobile Suit Gundam, Ghost in the Shell, HunterxHunter, Dr. Stone
Raphael: Gunbuster, Trigun, Baccano!, Death Note
>Donatello: Cromartie High, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, Detroit Metal City, FLCL
Oh Hero Boy
>Teenagers like anime and wear anime merchandise
>NO UNREALISTIC BOO!
Shut up.
Not a fan of it, but I can appreciate Ducktales for referencing Lupin III Part 1
i dint mind jojo, better than the 845899 Akira, naruto, dbz, sailor moon, pokemon reference
Imagine if they did a Kenshin reference, haha
>not even a slap on the wrist
lol
anyway, Kenshin didn't do shit
and still got live action films and a remake made
Yeah, but even fans of the show in Japan will always bring up the pedo shit, in Watsuki's latest interview promoting the remake in Japan more than half of the comments are pedo jokes (in Japanese)
yeah, but they are jokes, not death threats and "cancel" attempts, lol
>not death threats
lame
wild how kenshin’s pop culture legacy in japan went from the equivalent of youtube poop to pedo jokes
I hate references in general, its basically admitting you are garbage.
If you noticed most, if not all, really great things don't use references(unless it's a parody but that's a little different)
>April O’Neil in the cartoon was inspired by Fujiko Mine from Lupin III Castle of Cagliostro
Would’ve been nice for them reference Lupin instead of JoJo
Souless
They canonically read one piece.
If I were a Showrunner or producer, putting an anime reference in your script would be immediate grounds for dismissal
you people are fricking crazy