Dr Manhattan talks about walking on the surface of the sun. In Paradise Lost, Satan walks upon the surface of the sun when he first invades creation
I find that interesting
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Dr Manhattan talks about walking on the surface of the sun. In Paradise Lost, Satan walks upon the surface of the sun when he first invades creation
I find that interesting
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you can't really walk on the surface of the sun because it's plasma. almost liquid like.
As if any of what you wrote matters
Yes yes I know I have a physics degree, I'm talking about Dr. Manhattan being a potential homage to Satan in the book
Moore is a stinky idiot, he calls the character comparable to the devil god, so artsy
Ackshually
At a certain point the density of the plasma would become greater than the density of a human body. Assuming your matter is immune to the effects of heat, pressure, radiation, crushing gravity etc, you could "walk" (probably more like float) on the "surface" of the Sun.
This point would be considerably deeper than the corona and photosphere, the parts of the sun people typically think of as "the surface."
The corona sphere is from Red Alert m8
>you can't just walk on liquid
anon, let me tell you about this guy I know
>christgay can't tell the difference between liquid and plasma and uses his ignorance as an opportunity to shill his slave-cult
typical.
impressive verbal katana slashing!
just because I disbelieve Goytianity doesn't mean I'm a fedora-tipping atheist or larpagan
THIS DUDE IS A israelite
do you have a room temp IQ, my guy? i'm insulted.
Meds. Now.
You do know that me and the rest of the christgays will be able to look down and witness your eternal torment? Just wanted to mention that
>DOOD, god's son who is also him will torment you for ETERNITY, no matter the severity of your crimes, if you don't have blind faith in a backwards sequence of events involving sin from before you were born, or if you happened to live before him or never heard of him
>but DOOD, he totally loves you
you really have no concept of eternity, if you think that that's a just outcome for anyone
God won't torture you. He'll just separate you. If you don't love him then thats fine but you won't be able to be in his presence. Imagine being alone with nothing but your thoughts for eternity in pitch blackness. The abyss as it's called. Thats hell.
Whatever helps you sleep at night and keeps you from being an unrestrained degenerate.
Bible God is not real, it's an obvious method of instilling some social order in a group of barbarian savages. It promotes virtues like charity and chastity and discourages vices like promiscuous sex and vice.
Why ANYONE would think an actual, literal, capital-g God would give a frick about humans, I have no idea. The universe was created so maybe there is or was a Prime Mover. But the idea this entity who created so much in such a grand fashion, would care about a handful of fools on an unspectacular planet is one modest galaxy, defies belief. It's equally absurd to think he would reveal himself to us in the fashion he did.
That's before we get to the obvious falsehoods of the Bible, like the New Testament being assembled CENTURIES after the events it claims to depict. For all we know Christianity as Christ preached it was nothing like what is in the bible.
>Why ANYONE would think an actual, literal, capital-g God would give a frick about humans, I have no idea.
Low IQ, fear, upbringing, lack of critical thinking, contrarianism, lack of purpose, a need for external boundaries/timeless source of human institutions
The fact that you atheists get so upset over someone believing in something and having faith in something bigger than themselves is even more comical than the south park like Christians.
You know why Christianity is nothing like the bible preaches it? Because the israelites/Lucifer have corrupted it. To seperate man from his creator. Mans corrupted it. Your right. God doesn't give a frick about you. I'm sure a being that can create vast universes and transcend time and space can know not to waste his energy on something that doesn't care about him.
i'm not upset i'm just annoyed that reasonable people believe in an unreasonable thing.
i'm not even mad that, perhaps, these people have experienced the divine, and the divine has withdrawn his presence from me indefinitely. they would be rage-provoking if i believed. but i do not.
i'm just suspicious of believers. are they stupid or crazy, or do they know something i don't?
Well, they obviously know something you don't. You can be a Christian and not a Christian. You can be spiritual but not religious. I consider myself a Christian, but I do not go to church or worship some pedophile with a funny hat. I think the bible is a mix of literal and metaphorical stories and to understand it truly and its scope you have to look at things from a higher level of consciousness that most people are incapable of doing.
You were literally jerking your dick at the thought of "watching down and seeing torment" because someone dared to disagree with you and then you immediately backpedal with "i-it's not ackchyually torture" when faced with the realization that you're a fricking psychopath.
Not with that attitude
>literally mentions almost liquid like
>starts complaining about comparisons to liquid
Is this the "enlightened wisdom" of the fedora? Lies, pedantry and poor attempts at deception?
Christ is King
>>you can't just walk on liquid
you pretending MY post was a disingenuous non-sequitur falls apart when we all can literally read the prior posts.
and nice try, I'm not an atheist. not everyone who disregards your dead israeli god on a stick is a fedora.
Everybody can and should read the posts and they will reveal the truth and shine a light on your fiendish lies, creature.
Yes, only the virtuous initiates can see the truth, everyone else is base and bound for infinite punishment. But you--you are special and destined for greatness and bliss.
Time for your meds
Just wait until nighttime.
Underrated
And yet Moisey walked on the surface of the water
Is water solid to you you moron?
not really
if you would do it too if you could
No one cares about your israeli fantasy.
Paradise Lost is Bible fanfiction, it's not actual canon you spastic. It's basically like the Thor comics
Except even church scholars reference it like it's Canon. I never understood how that's acceptable "scholarship". Much of that book has seeped into the public consciousness over the centuries.
no they don't. if anything, Dante's Divine Comedy is more of what you are describing
Paradise Lost is basically just the Book of Enoch, which although long removed is probably the best known book of the bible and is referenced throughout it. Literally everyone knows about the war in Heaven and the fall and that's the main source for it
Take your meds
Dr Manhatten is also a reference to the Manhatten Project, which produced the Atom Bombs which destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are a lot of references in this series.
kek
???
I'm OP
The "Dr" part of course is a reference to the song "Help Me Dr Dick" as you see his dick.
>Ooh, Help Me Dr. Dick!
>Can I play the penis anymore?
Oh come on give me credit, none of you would ever have noticed that
>Manhatten
It's bizarre how Manhattan is misspelled much more often than Rorschach.
Interesting
Ohhhh, thanks anon, now I get it.
Also Dr is a reference to earning a PhD. Bet you didn't know that
no fricking way
No way
For me it’s Kierkegaard
Does anybody over 25 actually find existensialism interesting?
yes
Sometimes, not as much as I used to, thank God.
Moore and Milton are both hacks
Uh oh. He might need to buy himself some diapers.
Probably a reference, but you're missing the point of that sequence in PL. Satan is passing through the incomprehensible firmament between divinity and creation, far beyond the step of any mortal. Even HE is tested and taken to the brink of oblivion. This portrayal conveys the power cosmic, which amplifies both character and backdrop. The goal with Manhattan is the same, to show that he's in a completely different armpit of reality.
I'm still learning about it, it's a pretty neat book.
I've only read a couple pages, back in college. The analysis is mine, don't assume it's fact but I'm pretty sure it's correct.
It's one of the great works of english literature. If you don't tear up hearing Satan ruminate on how he made a mistake, he knows he made a mistake, and he wants to repent but he knows he cant because there's something wrong with him and he can't be satisfied and he doesn't know why then you are inhuman.
"Be then his love accursed, since love or hate,
To me alike, it deals eternal woe.
Nay, cursed be thou; since against his thy will
Chose freely what it now so justly rues.
Me miserable! which way shall I fly
Infinite wrath, and infinite despair?
Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell;
And, in the lowest deep, a lower deep
Still threatening to devour me opens wide,
To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heaven.
O, then, at last relent: Is there no place
Left for repentance, none for pardon left?
None left but by submission; and that word
Disdain forbids me, and my dread of shame
Among the Spirits beneath, whom I seduced
With other promises and other vaunts
Than to submit, boasting I could subdue
The Omnipotent. Ay me! they little know
How dearly I abide that boast so vain,
Under what torments inwardly I groan,
While they adore me on the throne of Hell.
With diadem and scepter high advanced,
The lower still I fall, only supreme
In misery: Such joy ambition finds.
But say I could repent, and could obtain,
By act of grace, my former state; how soon
Would highth recall high thoughts, how soon unsay
What feigned submission swore? Ease would recant
Vows made in pain, as violent and void."
Superior Moore Kino
Oh yeah I read about the weird rights shit with that comic
he is the smurf god
The character Rorschach's name is a reference to the Rorschach Ink Blot Test, which the character's mask resembles
...next you're gonna say Nite Owl is a reference to the nocturnal "Night" owl bird species which reflects the crime-fighting activities (taking place in darkness) of the caped hero(es). frick outta here, that's just too many coincidences.
Did you know that the character Ozymandias is a direct reference to the short poem by Percy Bysshe Shelley and how even the mightiest of plans are undone by chance and time?
i call bullshit
Smash Mouth talked about it, too. Do you think that makes Smash Mouth the devil?
The Dr. Manhattan transformation scene in the movie surpasses the comic purely because of the score
You can listen to the track while reading the chapter.
The snek in Watchmen is Manhattan's perception of time. His snek-like path in space is already laid out for him.
The guy who wrote watchmen was an insane schizophrenic satanist wizard so yeah. Good eye anon
Thanks, I remember showing my brother Watchmen when I was much younger, and he said the hydrogen atom symbol on his head is similar to some kind of Satanic third eye shit. I'm curious about more Satanic stuff in the comic
I don't recommend it
I'm capable of reading about stuff without assimilating it
Ozymandiaz basically performs a ritual of mass human sacrifice to ward of bad events in the future. Even if he isn't doing it for some diety, that's basically what he does.
>insane schizophrenic satanist wizard
Based, but Alan Moore isn't a Satanist, moron.
Snyder literally can't read. He should be led out and shot for wasting hundreds of millions. If it were legal to put 10 year olds in charge of major Hollywood films, we wouldn't need Snyder anymore.
Ye, that's kinda neat. I don't know if it was intentional, but both Alan Moore and Zack Sneeder are big on mythology so it could be an allusion. Also, isn't Satan the snek in the garden in Paradise Lost lore? How come he doesn't have to crawl around on his belly after God punishes the snek in this manner? This is something that has always bothered me in Christian circles that clearly designate the snek as Satan himself as well. I'm pretty sure in Genesis it's just meant to be a snek. Maybe he was influenced by Satan, that's fine, but if the snek is just Satan himself posing as a snek, then why would God punish all sneks?
because it's a fairy tale dreamed up and perpetuated by neurotic desert sheepherders, that unfortunately seeped into european and global culture.
Cool Fedoratheist non-comment, bro.
I'm not sure how muzzie lore handles this, but it's a topic of contention in both Christian and israeli circles. Obviously this point only applies to Christianity, but there is an argument to be made that Revelation is where people are getting this idea, because during the description of the War in Heaven, it says that Satan is thrown to Earth by the Archangel Michael, whereupon he becomes the serpent that has been deceiving mankind from the beginning. Personally I don't think this needs to be interpreted literally. Serpents being deceptive is just kind of a thing in most cultures, so it's unsurprising that this metaphor would be used. And it can still be used as a sort of allegory for the origin of evil. If fallen angels can influence human beings to do evil, there's no reason to think they couldn't also influence sentient, talking snakes.
This is more in line with the Rabbinical israeli stance, although there is debate in Judaism overall. Just going from what I've heard from m israeli people I've met, it seems that modern pop Judaism has kind of just adopted the same stance as modern pop Christianity with regard to the idea of fallen angels, although that's not actually a israeli concept. It should be said that I'm specifically referring to the sort of half in half out secular israelites who don't really think about it all that hard. Actual scholars of the religion would have a big problem with this.
My particular favorite interpretation comes from Kabbalah and describes the angel Samael (who is more or less Satan, but the israeli cosmological structure is a bit different and he is an angel in Grace whose job it is to tempt people) riding the snake like a camel. The visual is very funny to me.
>imaging taking ancient anime plotlines seriously
You don't have to take it seriously to learn why people who do take it seriously think what they think.
Fair enough
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I'm just posting to say I enjoyed reading anon, frick that other guy. Not often do people consider so many different perspectives as deeply, and this shit fascinates me. I have only ever found a handful of people who are even capable of thinking this way, and I think they're all autists.
Who is Steve Jobs?
SO DON'T DELAY
ACT NOW
SUPPLIES ARE RUNNING OUT
ALLOW IF YOU'RE STILL ALIVE
SIX TO EIGHT YEARS TO ARRIVE
AND IF YOU FOLLOW
THERE MAY BE A TOMORROW
BUT IF THE OFFER'S SHUNNED
YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE WALKING ON THE SUN
This is the best comic book movie adaptation ever.
The birth of Doctor Manhattan sequence is kino of the highest order
It's the only part of the movie I liked.
>I felt fear for the last time.
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>didn't like the asiatics getting blown up and flamed to Ride of the Valkyries
Philip Glass is king.
Philip Glass is king.
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The best cornerback in the NFL is named L'Jarius. L'Jarius Sneed.
I find that interesting.
Funny you should mention Paradise Lost, considering I started reading it for the first time recently. My glowie always makes threads about what I'm reading or watching.
I've read the first two books so far. Pretty great stuff. Why the frick hasn't it ever even been attempted to be adapted to film or TV before? I can understand how some people would consider it unadaptable, but more abstract work has been adapted in the past.
Reading it moves one to examine their own faith and think about their relationship to God, and arguably more to Satan. The crux of this is the mastery of language Milton uses, and you can't reproduce that in film.
Aside from that you would need fantastic performances by all actors involved, especially Satan, and it would be very, very expensive to film in a way that adheres to the glory and majesty described in the book.
I mean later on Raphael describes the War in Heaven and at a point Satan and his legion fighting in the clouds literally unleash mass cannon fire to decimate a charge of angels whereupon Michael and charges out on a chariot and 1v1's Satan with such force that they begin creating and destroying new stars while destroying angels on both sides in their vicinity.
Anime existed in the 1600's
>you can't reproduce that in film.
Yeah you could. It would be difficult, but "all things are possible"...
Bitchin' thread.
>I feel cringe for the last time
Dr Manhattan is a man, Hitler is a man.
I find that interesting
Legendary Pictures was set up by WB to produce explicitly masonic films, a masonic film is one with an inverted hermeneutic. This always takes the form of the freemasonic myth of Lucifer and/or Azazel as heroes amongst humans opposed by Christ (who is always the villain). Batman films for example are always inverted hermeneutics, Batman Begins was the first film by Legendary.
Reading the appendices of From Hell I can't believe that Alan Moore is a freemason and seems quite opposed to them, in revenge they turned his two most famous properties into explicitly masonic films. The other being V for Vendetta, the Wachowskis appearing to be either freemasons or the unwitting pawns of freemasons. Moore is an old arsehole but he seems to be one of the few people who genuinely can't be bought and doesn't want anything from the satanic structures that own everyone else so he is left alone to live his life. If he tried to make his way in their world he would have been killed or destroyed in some other way.
The most straightforward inverted hermeneutic ever filmed is The Man Who Would be King which serves as a template for all others.
Doctor Manhat is blue and the sky is blue i thought that was a cool reference
The entire movie is occulted.
Nite Owl. Pyramid transnational. Moloch. Etc.
also nukes (which are fake IRL)