>Elemental is now their sixth flop in a row
What went so fricking wrong?
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>Elemental is now their sixth flop in a row
>Elemental is now their sixth flop in a row
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Pandemic.
Pixar was shit long before the pandemic.
~~*Pandemic*~~
Lol
spbp
mario hit over 1 billion internationally
pandemics over for years now
Wrong.
It’s lasseter getting metoo, so women.
Partial credit
Jews
Karma for trying to shit on DeSantis.
Trump is next too.
hello rabbi!
Oh no, Trump's next movie is gonna flop!
Yes. Don’t frick with Ron.
RFK jr.
lassater got fired for being a dirty creep
then he went and made another company that'll probably just replace pixar
dirty old men win in the end
What's the other company mr tripsman?
Skydance Animation.
Looks like they have one film out so far and it has a sexy cat in it so I might check it out.
>lassater got fired for being a dirty creep
That's what he was accused of being.
Not even that really. He's just an awkward guy who hugs people with a bit too much friendliness and in a way that could be misconstrued as being perverted. He never did anything wrong other than make people uncomfortable.
Not a reason to fire him unless there are proven allegations.
>Not a reason to fire him unless there are proven allegations.
we dont live in such an ideal society and companies have circumvented this with a morality clause, which in if you cause damage to a companies reputation regardless of if you're guilty or not you're fired.
Easy there big fella.
Yeah, unfounded accusations shouldn’t get Lasseter.
He was just a hugger, but b***hes couldn't resist that metoo 15secs of fame.
This. He's not a diddler. He's not even the type to send cringy texts like Avellone to hit on chicks. He's just an autist, judgung by how he bullied the entire studio to make cars for his own personal carwankery, who gets touchy and can't read people too well.
>bullied the studio to make cars
>its also the worst movie from their golden era
>its sequel is also pretty much the agreed start of their downfall
imagine the timeline were somebody talked him out of making it
Cars was mediocre but the hate against it was over done. The problem was we were spoiled by the movies before it, but if we knew how shit things would turn out I'd take cars any day.
Inside out was the beginning of the end.
Wot if feelings had feelings was such a stupid premise!
Lasseter lost his touch years before he was ousted, and Skydance is like Blue Sky tier, lol. Luck was not a good movie on any level
Luck didn’t have the standard Pixar idea germination period.
apple needed something now, so Lassater gave them what was on the drawing board.
Luck was immensely mediocre and a failure.
people day "he's just a hugger" but I used to work with a guy unpacking boxes and it was in a tight space and when he wanted you to move, he would grab you by the waist and move you and it was uncomfortable as he was clearly getting off to it. He was fired after he was told to stop and kept doing it to a teenage girl
Yeah but what gets me is that it wasn't like Lasseter was doing some Harvey Weinstein shit or he'd be in prison or retired. He literally got fired and then was made president of a rival studio who then immediately signed a giant deal with Apple. FYI Lasseter was close friends with Steve Jobs so he definitely knows Apple people well.
Like it makes me think it's some crazy orchestrated corporate warfare. Apple and Disney used to be close but now Apple wanted to produce media which means they're now competing businesses. Disney undoubtedly had to Lasseter a golden parachute to leave the corporation too. And then Lasseter's Skydance Animation immediately hired Brad Bird and Rich Moore (Wreck It Ralph) AND one of the directors of Tangled. It's fricking crazy Lasseter just leaves the company and takes animation veterans that Disney probably wanted to keep onboard.
Lassetar was too successful. On the inside track to head Disney as CEO successful.
The metoo was just an excuse to purge a potential threat to Iger.
Seriously though check the dots. Skydance is more or less a Silicon Valley shell to frick with Disney.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skydance_Media
>Founder: David Ellison
>Who is David Ellison? The son of Billionaire Larry Ellison the cofounder of Oracle
>Larry Ellison and Steve Jobs were close friends, Larry Ellison almost tried to buy Apple just to reinstall Steve Jobs as CEO but Jobs did that on his own
>Skydance Animation literally comes out of nowhere and hires John Lasseter
>Apple then signs a deal with Skydance to be where Skydance movies and tv shows debut https://deadline.com/2021/02/apple-skydance-animation-set-multi-year-feature-tv-deal-1234695506/
TL;DR: Apple and Larry Ellison are in the hopeful process of rebuilding Pixar. Yes Luck was a piece of shit but it's not like Lasseter had time to save that shit. I'm hoping Ray Gunn is good because Brad Bird is still a legend even if The Incredibles 2 kinda sucked.
>dirty old men win in the end
All animation greats are perverts.
God bless Chris Savino.
Disney harvested talent to make mainline Disney animated films.
They never could have popped out stuff like Tangled/Zootopia/Moana otherwise.
0ñdo you recommend those lamps? i'm in need of one for late night study.
name 6 flops
Ur dick
excuse me?
Ur dick was floppy as hell last nite
FRICKING REKT
Film doesn't look that good and they taught people to wait for the Disney+ premiere.
I’m so confused why they just decided to dump Soul, Luca, and Turning Red on D+ for free but other Covid releases you had to pay to stream
No confidence in the product
Some israelite beancounter somewhere figured out they'd make more money with people signing up to D+ to watch the new "free" movies compared to people who are already subbed paying an additional fee to watch it
They paid billions for Pixar
Doesn't change anything in regards to which approach nets them the most going forward
Pixar lost all their creative teams to Disney around 2007/2008
Explains why Tangled was so good I guess
Got turned into made-for-Disney+ like Disney did for straight-to-video movie sequels.
Completely ran out of ideas over a decade ago, every movie they make now is just stretching what should be an animated short into a feature-length movie
>oi... what if water and fire were an interracial couple? Bloody mental innit
"What if feelings had feelings" should have been the biggest red flag tbqh
I still don't understand why normalgays praise Inside Out to high heavens. It's mediocre at best and even as a tearjerker it fails at that.
There were no huge turnoffs in it, everything made enough sense narratively, and it hit all the right beats even if they weren't amazing. Most people don't critically look at movies too deeply. It was fine, and it had the Pixar name which is enough for most people.
This. I remember how they said literally every movie idea up until Wall-e was thought up during a brainstorming session at a cafe in the 90's.
Now that's concentrated soul.
frick pixar this is now a Dreamworks thread
Those kung fu panda movies are pretty good.
Everything went right 🙂
Pixar can only do the "two characters are forced to set aside their differences and bond with each other as they go on an adventure to learn the value of individuality and friendship" plotline so many fricking times before people get tired.
Their stories have stagnated, their animation is no longer innovative or impressive, half of their movies now are just soulless sequels. What's the appeal of Pixar anymore? Nothing, and audiences have taken notice. They are not special anymore.
>their animation is no longer innovative or impressive
I hope you're being hyperbolic, because those animations are so beautiful. It's a shame they waste their talent with mediocre feelgood average slop.
overanimated wobbly calarts is hardly innovative in anything but the rendering technology
The absolute state of Shitsney.
Reminder
This post was a couple weeks before Elio was announced. UH OH STINKY
Was the frick is this? I haven't even heard about it
Let me guess. Elio is about a second generation Latin American immigrant who doesn't get along with his parents. But by the end his family learns to accept him and his dream.
Close. He's a second generation Latino american immigrant who doesn't get along with his parents SO ALIENS COME IN AND HELP HIM FIND HIS INDENTITY AHYUCK ITS A NEW IDEA GUYS!
oh boy i can't wait for the mother to be a b***h and that the son is somehow right, and it devolves into "mars needs mom"
israelite lesbians is the correct answer. They also ruined Marvel.
Brave onwards
From what I heard every movie outline before Brave was though up and plotted at one boozey extended lunch between all the early creatives at Pixar.
It is amazing how far they have fallen.
~~*I wonder what went wrong*~~
Hiring mediocrities instead of talented people has consequences.
>wot if chairs had a face and one of the chairs is different to the other chairs, and we name the film chairs.
There's only so many times they can do this.
Suzume did it and it was funny.
A challenger appears
they keep giving movies to morons who either have no track record or have a bad track record
e.g turning red (new director) and elemental (old director whose first flick was a flop)
Pixar was always shit. I feel like millennials were obligated to like them or see them as nostalgic but I always found the main conceits to be ugly and gay, rather than timeless, and the stories to be uninteresting and forgettable. There’s just no magic to them.
I never got the hype around Toy Story and I even get why people wouldn't like Monsters Inc. but if you didn't enjoy Finding Nemo or The Incredibles you truly are a joyless homosexual
>I never got the hype around Toy Story
toy story was legitimately a technical marvel when it came out
The best movie was Wall-E for dabbing on utopian-technology loving fat fricks.
>Pixar was always shit.
Broccoli head detected.
What's the matter with early Pixar? Not even gays and troons for you?
Jews, liberals, leftists, socialists and women. Simple as, cant even refute this.
Why don't movie theaters show more old movies? It seems that the israelites have run out of good ideas for new movies, just bring back the old ones every so often.
because if they showed the old movies people will begin asking questions as to why the quality was so much higher 20+ years ago
Can I get a real answer instead of a /misc/ answer
back to r*ddit moron
What was /misc/ about anything he said you stupid homosexual?
israelite boy.
Because most people aren't going to pay to watch old movies they can already watch at home for free. Directors and film buffs will wank on about the theatre experience but in reality the only reason people go to the cinema is because of exclusivity, without that they'd be a niche at best
Streaming services already have all the old movies. New movies are literally the only advantage theaters have
Truth is, not many people would pay to see old movies in a theater. If you said it was "remastered"or some other excuse then it might be the case, but generally, not going to happen
all the talent they had got moved around to other disney studios when they were fully absorbed leading to much lower quality movies, at first this was alright since they still had their reputation, but as they kept making shit that reputation was diminished leading to less people wanting to see it since they recognized the magic touch they used to have was simply gone, to further rub salt into the wound their competitors started producing more decent films which just offered more incentives to not see their movies, leading to their current state of one a golden kids animation studio barely chugging along and pretty much irrelevant beyond nostalgic adults remembering when they were good
I don't know anything about the company or their movies, but I know that the answer is women and blacks
Can anyone redpill me on Lasseter? Did he really get fired hugs? Just seems a old-school kind of guy
What I don't get is how megacorpos who are trying to squeeze every penny out of (you) in increasingly transparent and desperate ways are just making shit movies that consistently lose money and that nobody likes.
I get trying to give your nepo baby nephew a job as head writer or something but up until a decade or two ago there still was some sort of quality control, and when something flopped like waterworld, heads rolled. Now movies flop and that's the status quo.
Coz they're all women and firing would be sexist and you'd get bad publicity.
They're fricking disney. They make the status quo. If they wanted, they could fire them all and make sure nobody reports on it.
ALL the networks are now run by women so personal responsibility and accountability are things of the past.
Unappealing projects. Can you imagine making a movie with motherfricking dinosaurs and have your lead look like a camel with down syndrome? And the plot is about looking for a smelly human baby with tone deaf drama on the side?
When you spend a lot of time at the top, you start thinking all you do is great. When at some point you notice that's not the case, it will take time for you to figure out why that is the case. If you are lucky, you'll turn things around.
the dumped Soul and Luca (projects that could've did decent in theatres on Disney+
THEN they threw Lightyear, Disney+ tier spin-off attempt in theatres
it killed the momentum
in terms of quality they have been turbulent for a while, tho i did enjoy Soul, Luca and Turning Red from the most recent ones
Elio has storytelling potential but unless Elemental does better overseas or "has legs" it won't matter if Elio is good or not - it will fail
momentum will be killed for good
if you want /misc/ reasons i guess parents don't want children watching racemixing allegories? and brief mentions of gays and lesbians?
They fired Lasseter. Seriously, that's it. Pixar was only ever good because of the small handful of guys who founded it, and they're all gone now. Now it's just a brand name, no matter how much the younger directors and creators try to ape the style of the earlier, much better Pixar films.
Disney brain-drained them for Disney animation studios about the same time they bought them.
I remember being a kid and thinking Pixar was the second best cartoon maker, right after Don Bluth.
How did they fall so far? When did it happen?
It happened when Disney purchased Pixar. The death of the company has been very slow but now we finally see it.
What's unexplainable to me is why were Monsters University, Finding Dory and Incredibles 2 so fricking bad despite being made practically by the same guys. I mean, apart from being lazy cashgrabs, they didn't have a single interesting new idea or set piece. Finding Dory is especially atrocious
>what if we tried to do the same thing again for more money?
And that's it, that's why they suck.
Because they don’t get what made them interesting, so their rehashes inevitably miss the point.
Incredibles is a great example. It was made during the time superheroes were at a lull and about to explode again, so the movie was about a washed up hero finding his spark, facing an old school villain and coming out at the end with a new generation.
The sequel should have reflected the time it was made too, being about a second boom where the heroes thought they were bulletproof and could do no wrong.
This would lead to a perfect final act, where things are declining again and the heroes have to find ways to handle the new shift so they don’t repeat their past mistakes and become irrelevant again.
A sequel made a decade after the fact that had no time skip and changing of the guard was just flat out moronic.
Because each of those original movies (Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo and Incredibles) are self sufficient movies with complete endings. They really don't need sequels at all, so all the sequels feel tired and boring by comparison because they don't capture that original finality.
Outside of Toy Story how many animated franchises actually have good sequels?
Something is obviously wrong at Pixar. I’m a big believer in the Disney brain drain idea, Disney had an overall good stretch through the same time period. But animated sequels are almost never good.
Saying it was all Lasseter would be an overstatement but he's the one that gave Pixar it's original heart.. Look I'm just trying to recite from what I remember from Pixar documentaries.
Pixar was started by George Lucas to make visual effects. To really keep being in that game you had to have a shitload of computer investment and money to even have a snowballs chance in hell of making so George sold it to Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs kept Pixar going because the dude was already filthy rich just off his first run at apple computers and Ed Catmull was the certified genius really running the tech.
John Lasseter was an ideas who wanted to work for Disney but he pissed off the top brass and got fired. He joined Pixar and had the brilliant idea to make charming short films off easy to animate objects like lamps and toys. Remember Luxo Jr came out in the 80s it was mindblowing to see a 3D Lamp move around back then.
But anyway Lasseter found a crew of talent to develop a premiere studio, nothing lasts forever and people leave and do other shit. Pete Docter can't save it by himself and that's probably because the HR Departments at Disney can only be total incompetent buffoons. Can Pixar be saved? It would require a mass overhaul.
>Shrek
>How to train your dragon
>Kungfu Panda
seems like a skill issue
I hadn’t thought of it before but yeah dreamworks is actually pretty good at sequels. Huh.
Illumination is also decent at sequels. As in, the quality is already mid but doesn’t drop between movies
They’re also surprisingly good at getting celebrity voice casts to not come off as blatant stunt casting, to the point where even some stereotypical american israelites voicing scottish vikings worked out because it highlighted the generational gap.
I think it helps that every dreamworks sequel has an actual relatable theme the movie is censored around, and not "wow I really hate how I'm not white".
Like how to train your dragon 1 is still about finding acceptance when you're different but doesnt need to make it about racebaiting.
dreamworks franchise*
They're a very solid B-list. They're pretty good at TV series too. If they aired on Nick or CN ten years ago instead of Netflix, they would be cult classics beloved by half this board almost on par with stuff like Megas XLR. Most of the shit Dreamworks gets was literal astroturfing by Pixar and Disney, and since their series were on Netflix, most people without children haven't seen them.
>What's unexplainable to me is why were Monsters University, Finding Dory and Incredibles 2 so fricking bad despite being made practically by the same guys
Disney direct to video sequels set the trend for that.
And now we have these atrocious live action remakes.
>Disney direct to video sequels set the trend for that
holy cow did they ever
>you know what cinderella needs? time travel stepsister redemption.
I was pretty hyped for Return of Jafar back in the day
return of jafar is the one decent one that tricks you into thinking the others might be worth a watch
my wife swears by little mermaid 2, as well, though I haven't seen it
>Monsters University
i really liked this movie
I wouldn’t say they were bad but they don’t live up to the originals
Brad Bird was forced to do Incredibles since Tomorrowland flopped and he wanted out of directors jail
Surprised he never got a live action capeshit flick
well
>people can't learn/bother to learn how to draw anymore
>digital era
>people with no talent getting jobs and worse, higher up position
>first thing in their minds when starting a new project is money
ALL pixar movies boil down to
>what if this THING was alive
it feels like there's a board to spin and the new movies ar random words that stopped on the board
Everything they’ve made since 2020 has been a variation of
>parents le bad
>you are hecking valid and you will always be right
You have to be mentally insane as a parent to let your kids watch this with you
Every Pixar movie since 1995 has looked exactly the same. How do people even differentiate these movies to begin with?
The beginning of the end was Inside Out. Their most dangerous movie a.k.a. Sadness is Le Bad.
Who is relating to these stories?
Executives
Asians that hate their parents (90% of them)
Reminder that the original Pixar classics were all alllegedly pitched all the way back in 1994 with Wall-E being the final one.
Up was the last certifiable Pixar classic. Everything after ranged from mediocre to absolute shit. Also Up came out more than a decade ago now.
that teaser hooked me so much.
Pixar had a great run, last truly great movie from them was Soul.
Up sucked dude. That was the movie where Pixar's finally wore off for me. Toy Story 3 was the great so I thought maybe it was just a single hiccup but in retrospect it was the studio's swan song because everything after ranges from mediocre to crap.
It feels weird how strongly animation is tied to a single person. Like Disney was only good because of Walt, and then their renaissance was sparked by one person. Lasseter was the only one keeping Pixar afloat, Laika only exists because of Phil Knight's kid, Aardman only exists because one guy wanted to make Wallace and Grommit, and that absolutely extends to puppetry if you count that. Henson and Anderson are responsible for nearly 100 percent of puppet shows. Cartoon Network went to shit without Tartakovsky and then Ward, and the list just goes on.
Why is animation so different than other media? Granted, it still fails very often, but switching a creator is not a literal death sentence for most other things. It feels like every successful animated venture was made by one guy and his support team.
And just to be clear because I know there are autists, I am specifically talking about western animation. Though even in the east, the vast majority of anime are manga adaptations/ads, and manga are usually made by one guy and his 'assistants.'
Persistence of vision.
t. Richard Williams III
This is why Rick and Morty is doomed without Roiland. Granted, it had already lost much of its charm since the first two seasons, but his absence will be the nail in the coffin.
I don’t know that it’s any different than other things. The gap between world class talent and people competent enough at things is just significantly larger than the gap between people who are bad and who are competent.
It’s more noticeable with animation because if you’re not that world class talent you go make random animated shows for kids that do fine enough but really aren’t going to be relevant to anyone but kids/parents of kids that are into it.
Don’t confuse “is high quality and appealing to all ages” with successful for animation. Most of it is the equivalent of CW originals. It’s not really a failure but it’s not good enough to care about.
What kid hears the title elemental and goes, yeah mommy i want to see that
This is the big problem with the current animation industry. It's seen as just for kids and people are ashamed to work on kid shit. They want to elevate it into high art, and one word titles are a symptom of that.
Adults do not watch pixar movies without children
Because Pixar makes movies for children. I'm saying they should either embrace that or make stuff that's not 'just' for children instead of making it feel like they're ashamed to make stuff aimed at children.
Soul unironically did have Soul. I would not want a child to watch that fricking movie. It's the only "kids" movie where a main character harbors a strong argument for anti-natalism and kinda has a point.
Soul was anti-white. Dropped in the first 15 minutes
How was it anti-white anon?
>Why do you sound like a middle aged white woman?
>I just thought this voice would annoy people.
Do you really think in a million years that Pixar could make a joke about black women or Hispanic women sounding annoying?
Poor little snowflake
I accept your concession
Not that Anon but Tina Fey's voice is indeed very annoying and she is a middle aged white woman. Still would hit it.
But I digress Soul is the least kid's movie Pixar ever made. Children should not be told about how awesome it is to not live.
>Not that Anon but Tina Fey's voice is indeed very annoying and she is a middle aged white woman. Still would hit it.
Irrelevant. They would never make a joke about black women sounding annoying if she was voiced by Whoopi Goldberg.
but middle aged white woman do sound annoying, or do you think Karens is some anti white psyop?
I think it's evidence of a double standard, because modern Pixar would never dare lampoon the voices of minority women
>How was it anti-white anon?
Ugly fricking Black folk on screen violating my visual safety.
90s men ran the original company
then came the women, then the purple hairs...
All the talent left and now you only have the shitheads.
Idk how in the frick did the guy who made the good dinossaurs get a second chance to flop again.
It is also yet another movie to frick with asian tradition. Turning red was about the same thing.
disney buying them from apple
jews are the ones who made the good movies in the first place and they also make the rival non-pixar animated movies doing well like Mario, Minions, and Spiderverse
Their first film (Toy Story) told kids how to be LESS creative.
And now, those kids are adults who are shitty uncreative writers.
Lel
>Co-writer, Andrew Stanton, goes on to say: “A lot of us really played hard with our toys, but even though in our eye in the movie Sid’s a bad guy, and he does bad things to toys, it’s somewhat more true to what we were.”
>Lasseter adds, “We all agreed that Sid was the kind of kid who would grow up to be an animator.” Sid is a natural storyteller, and the storytellers who created him know this.
https://collider.com/toy-story-sid-phillips-not-bad/
You forget that Disney has had a couple of short periods of disastrous films. Between the golden age and their revival in the late 80s-00s they produced a massive number of crappy straight-to-video releases that nobody bought or remembered. They only had to produce a gem once every 5 years or so to make up the money. I don’t know what their budget was like back then but so an assume they made shit to mostly make sure everyone still got paid and the parks stayed relevant until they could bounce back. People will forget about these films in a short time but Disney will stay afloat and massive by pushing SOMETHING out 4x a year