>entire reason for joining the Sith was to stop Padme from dying
>Padme dies
>Still a Sith
For what purpose?
>entire reason for joining the Sith was to stop Padme from dying. >Padme dies. >Still a Sith
>entire reason for joining the Sith was to stop Padme from dying
>Padme dies
>Still a Sith
For what purpose?
Was a wienertease of trying to get her back. Vader does some whole thing in the comics where he does Sith magic to try, but it doesn't work, and he just suffers more from being a total piece of shit in failure.
and then after that, he's too far gone and only motivated by physical pain and the memory of his incel suffering.
>had 2 kids with prime Natalie Portman
>incel
In too deep, like me continuing to browse this website.
>like me continuing to browse this website.
oh no...
it's a trans allegory
He was a a good friend
Eh no…
He join the Sith because he was influenced by Sheev who told him the Jedi were bad and were about to overthrow him, a legally elected chancellor.
So, it’s a bit more than just wanting to keep his hottie alive.
>Hey Anakin, I heard you're worried about Padme dying from giving birth. I conveniently know the specific solution to your power :*~~)
Later after betraying Windu....
>Just help me save Padme's life...I can't sneed without her
>Don't worry Anakin, I'm sure if we work together we can discover the secret :*~~)
Sounds realistic to me. Thats exactly what a politician would say.
the worst thing is that I cannot for the life of me imagine Anakin as Vader.
I understand the movement becoming more robotic, but the way he talks just doesn't fit at all. maybe that's the entire point of "Anakin was killed by Vader" but it just bothers me
it's called shoehorning
It’s because Hayden doesn’t have the presence, the look of Luke’s dad or a British accent
He clearly only turns because of Padme, the other reasons are thrown in briefly as secondary when they should have been the primary focus.
James Earl Jones doesn't have a British accent either.
i'd say transatlantic but maybe i'm wrong idk
Definitely not.
No.
Also Sebastian Shaw has a British accent
James Earl Jones doesn't have a British accent and he doesn't sound like he does.
It's definitely transatlantic in the first movie. Almost perfectly so. I had to study that shit in school. I still have Edith Skinner's "Speak with Distinction" in a box somewhere. And it makes sense given Jones's background. Not only did he speak with a stutter in his early life, but he's a black man from Mississippi trained in the North. "Good Speech" would have been hammered well into his head before they would have ever even considered letting him set foot on a stage. And being that the character is an aristocrat referred to as "Lord", transatlantic would be the perfect choice. It's a whole made up accent that was literally invented to sound fancy. Compare Vader's voice to conspicuously American sounding Stormtroopers. His mouth position is front heavy and non-rhotic, which is distinctly different from the mid-mouth emphasis and rhotic "r" which characterize the general American accent.
It changes pretty noticeably in the second movie though. I don't know if it's just a product of Jones feeling more confident and willing to make the character his own, or if it was a conscious choice stemming from the knowledge that he is Luke's father, but he sounds conspicuously more American in Empire. He's definitely leaving those American "r"s in the entire time he's speaking to Luke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lOT2p_FCvA&ab_channel=StarWarsMalaysia
>It changes pretty noticeably in the second movie though. I don't know if it's just a product of Jones feeling more confident and willing to make the character his own, or if it was a conscious choice stemming from the knowledge that he is Luke's father, but he sounds conspicuously more American in Empire. He's definitely leaving those American "r"s in the entire time he's speaking to Luke
I never really noticed this until now. Neat. I bet it was a choice. Jones is a legitimately talented actor and I'm sure this would have occurred to him when reading the Empire script. This actually makes me appreciate the scene a lot more.
>sperg
It's not transatlantic. Simple as.
If you can articulate exactly why it isn't, I will be more than happy to cede the point. If you cannot, I'm just going to assume it's a Dunning-Krueger effect and you have no idea what you're talking about.
>explain why an accent isn't transatlantic on a written forum.
Just listen to it. It isn't. Simple as. Do you want a paper on linguistics?
If you understand what transatlantic sounds like, you can communicate it in writing. I don't even need you to write it in IPA. Frick, I don't even need you to break it down at all, just tell me which dialect it is. I posted a video where he is actually speaking, yes? Would you agree that he and the Stormtroopers are speaking in noticeably different dialects? If so, which dialects are they using? It should be easy enough to just say a name, no?
*checking 'transatlantic' article on wikipedia as fast as possible*
Homie, I namedropped Edith Skinner a half hour ago. The only reason you think you're right is because you don't know what you don't know
That was a different anon. James Earl Jones has a touch of trans-Atlantic in his voice but I wouldn't go as far as to say his overall timbre is overtly trans-Atlantic. He's not doing the full-on theatrical accent they used to do so it's barely worth noting.
Non-linguist gays like throwing out the few linguistic related buzzwords that occasionally break into the mainstream. I've asked this same question to friends in real life and they think they're talking about Southern American English dialect when trans-atlantic is a fake dialect created by an educated class trying to deal with shity early radio technology.
I'm not a linguistgay, I'm a dramagay.
So even less employable than a linguist-gay? Sad.
I don't know, man. I feel like linguists are hugely employable. I guess it depends on the area of linguistics their expertise is in, but in general that seems like a really valuable skill.
>they think they're talking about Southern American English dialect
wait...what? Where is this coming from? No one has remotely implied that it was a Southern dialect?
>It should be easy enough to just say a name, no?
"Then name the system!"
What is it then? What specific dialect is he using?
It sounds like one
The on set performance of Vader by the suit actor was more like the real Anakin. You can imagine the Jones voice as a robot modulator thing. So the movements and voice are explained, and mannerisms can change with time.
>but the way he talks just doesn't fit at all
I mean, if Disney can use computers to make it sound like James Earl Jones is talking despite him not reading a single line of dialogue in the Obi-Wan show, I imagine a civilization that mastered lightspeed travel a thousand generations ago can do the same. That's one thing that never really bothered me about the Vader situation. It makes sense that he and Palpatine would want to cover up any traces of Vader and Anakin being the same person. And sophisticated voice modulators have been canon since Return of the Jedi. I doubt Leia was actually capable of speaking whatever goofy alien language her bounty hunter persona was speaking in Jabba's palace
He tried. Lucas even directed him to pronounce his words more JEJ-like for Revenge of The Sith. And in some instances, you can kind of tell it’s coming through. But it doesn’t really work since Anakin never comes across as much more than in a perpetual state of cucked.
Revenge against Obi Wan for turning her against him. Although I like to also believe he tried at least once to resurrect Padme with Sith powers and she came back wrong and he had to kill her all over again.
>See your wife dying in dreams
>Become selfish
>Start becoming traitorous against the organization that took you away from slavery because of your selfishness
>Dude manipulating you also lies and says you killed your own wife
He's just too angry. Everything they say about the dark side is actually true. Hate leads you there, and it is extremely difficult to get back out. Anakin hates the world, he hates the Jedi, and he hates himself. With all that hate he can't be anything but Darth Vader.
>Start becoming traitorous against the organization that took you away from slavery
>organization that takes children from their families as babies based on some kind of kooky space-wizard blood quantum, and brings them to a place where they are forbidden to love or have emotions and must serve as a galactic police force
Kinda sounds like he just went from being a field Black person to a buffalo soldier. Assuming that's what buffalo soldiers were. I really don't know, my entire knowledge of the institution comes from the song. They were stolen from Africa and brought to America where they must fight for survival, or so I've been told.
>have dreams of padme Dying
>go to your orders head for help
>He just tells you to ignore it
>receive no further help
>be a strong and committed jedi
>treated with distrust by superiors
>talked to like you're a suspicious person
>go to a lifelong friend and mentor
>He sympathises
>offers an actual possible solution
>encourages you
>Agrees that your superiors are dicks
>just straight up helps you
>be a strong and committed jedi
>treated with distrust by superiors
>talked to like you're a suspicious person
>go to a lifelong friend and mentor
>He sympathises
>offers an actual possible solution
Reminds me of a Slate Star Codex post.
>And suppose, in the depths of your Forever Alone misery, you make the mistake of asking why things are so unfair.
>Well, then Jezebel says you are “a lonely dickwad who believes in a perverse social/sexual contract that promises access to women’s bodies”. XOJane says you are “an adult baby” who will “go into a school or a gym or another space heavily populated by women and open fire”. Feminspire just says you are “an arrogant, egotistical, selfish douche bag”.
>And the manosphere says: “Excellent question, we’ve actually been wondering that ourselves, why don’t you come over here and sit down with us and hear some of our convincing-sounding answers, which, incidentally, will also help solve your personal problems?”
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
Ok, ponder this:
In the Kenobi show, Reva express hatred for Obi-Wan because he wasn’t there to protect the young lungs during order 66. We all know he was on Utapau visiting Grievous.
What would have had happen if Obj-Wan would have stayed at the temple, like Reva wanted?
Would Obi-Wan died at the temple? Would Anakin go to Utapau to end Grievous?
Kenobi would have legit gotten jobbed by the 501st at the temple, Commander Cody was an incompetent moron and didn't bother to even really check if Kenobi was dead. The temple would have had him shot a thousand times in every direction. He was just lucky
That was the weirdest storytelling choice to me. The first prequel film doesn't even matter, Attack of the Clones ends when the war begins and then he just time jumps again towards the last year of the war. It's very bizzare
Sorry meant for
>first movie was entirely unnecessary and can just be skipped
>Anakin's relationship with Padme is boring and has absolutely no drama/stakes attached
>Anakin's mother just pops up for the sake of a plot point
>Anakin hates the Jedi because "THEY DON'T RESPECT MY POWER LEVEL"
>Anakin listens to, trusts, and aides a Sith whose behind a conspiracy to overthrow "1000 generations" of government and started a massive interplanetary war to do so (i.e. the plot threads ignore one another)
>Anakin murders a bunch of children practically out of nowhere
>Anakin force chokes Padme because she was upset by his sperg about his power level and taking over the galaxy
>Padme dies (kek) of a "broken heart" (kek)
Those movies are fricking stupid.
>Anakin's relationship with Padme is boring and has absolutely no drama/stakes attached
i.e. Conflict. I don't need a prequel tard to explain the moronic plot ("HE LOVE HER AND HE THOUGHT SHE GONNA DIE THO!"). There's nothing in the movies showing any inner or overt conflict, even though we're told Jedi don't have personal relationships this never plays into the plot at all. It's just dumb. ("HE LOVE HER AND IT MEANS CONFUSION THO!").
ugh, you are supposed to watch the cartoons to feel for Anakin 🙂
because the prequels are badly written and rushed, but zoomers think they are intellectual films due to our old ironic shitposting and how the movies contrast with the dumpster fire sequels
Ok Boomer
None of it makes any sense, anon. It's contrived/convenient nonsense and if you point any of it out the morons who defend it with flux between acting like it's deep and calling you a manchild for criticizing it. They'll just explain really simplistic plot points as if you were filtered by them while remaining blissfully unaware of how stupid they hold together as a movie (let alone an entire franchise).
they really should have shown more stuff where anakin gets frustrated by the bureaucracy and achieves things by breaking off and doing his own shit. i guess you don't really have the opportunity to show that when you skip like the entire war though
Because the script said so.
What a lame reason to even be a Sith. To be Sith is to break the chains that bind you.
Stay with Sheev and get to be second in command of the whole galaxy, a fricking castle, a license to kill and thousands of underlings sucking up to you. OR spend the rest of your life as a homeless cripple. Which would you choose?
In too deep. He just killed all the younglings.
Imagine going all in on murdering children when just fifteen minutes ago you were turning Sheev in for being the sith lord?
What else is he going to do? He also did sincerely believe in bringing order to the Galaxy. That's a plot point that's set up as well.
Is it true that Anakin's father was in fact a sand person? His mother even willingly becomes a bondage sex slave for them. They had a safe word but she refused to use it.
why did Palpatine install a black-sounding autotuner in Anakin's suit
funni
cultural appropriation to show how evil he is
To fulfill his buck breaking fantasy.
He was in too deep already moron. He had no choice but to play the bad guy
The prequels really ruined what I thought Anakin Skywalker was.
I envisioned some hot shot pilot and Jedi badass who was too arrogant and went to the Dark Side because it was like steroids for him. Not some b***h who Force choked his pregnant wife. I get that Lucas wanted to make Anakin tragic but he honestly deserved everything that happened to him post-Revenge of the Sith.
Should have had ep 1 start with him older as a padawan under obi wan like aotc. Have the clone war begin in first movie
They should have had him start going to the dark side in aotc. Start training with sidious in secret for whatever reason idk
Then his turn to the dark side in 3 wouldn't seem so rushed
>Padme literally hours away from giving birth
>Anakin totally fine going on a mission across the galaxy to Mustafar instead of demanding he and Palpy work on figuring out the whole "cheat death" thing immediately
The prequels tell the story of how Darth Vader when he was a young man was incredibly stupid.
Rey is the Chosen One in Disney Canon she killed Palpatine not Anakin
>Genuine thought the Empire would establish peace and order across the galaxy
>Still believed that the dark side had the potential to resurrect Padme if he put enough time to unlock its secrets
>Still wanted to butcher Obi-Wan to pieces with a passion
>Feared the consequences of betraying Sidious too, so that kept his ass in check
Not that hard to put the pieces together.
>Genuine thought the Empire would establish peace and order across the galaxy
No he didn't. The idea is that he had his perception of what such looks like warped by the dark side. It just never shows us a transition and has him go along with Palpatine's plan by not referencing it (because taken in context it shows Anakin is a moron).
>Still believed that the dark side had the potential to resurrect Padme if he put enough time to unlock its secrets
Because the evil Sith guy who just killed millions by starting an interplanetary war to overthrow "1000 generations" for the sake of his own power VAGUELY said shit about someone Anakin had never heard of before overcoming death. The same guy who (suspiciously) tried to get him to just leave Obi-Wan behind at the beginning of the movie. It's moronic, anon.
>Still wanted to butcher Obi-Wan to pieces with a passion
Due to the shallow hubris he's given of "THEY DON'T RESPECT MY POWER LEVEL!" Their relationship isn't elaborated in the films at all and his hate basically boils down to that and CAN YOU NOT SEE HIS EYES CHANGED COLOUR in the last 15 mins or so of the trilogy.
>Feared the consequences of betraying Sidious too, so that kept his ass in check
He literally spergs to Padme about overthrowing Palpatine and ruling the galaxy with her. This goes in with the MUH POWER LEVEL nonsense that was supposedly driving him but his other motivations and relationships are so underdeveloped and convoluted I get why you'd project that (i.e. prequel gays project a lot of meaning onto simplistic plot points in order to make it seem like they're sensible and ignore the fact they're just badly written and stupid).
>No he didn't. The idea is that he had his perception of what such looks like warped by the dark side. It just never shows us a transition and has him go along with Palpatine's plan by not referencing it (because taken in context it shows Anakin is a moron).
The only moronic Black person here is you. Ep. 1 Anakin says he's going to come back as a Jedi and liberate his mom. Then in Ep. 2 Anakin reveals his political leanings to Padme during a Naboo picnic. He believes a strong power should rule as it sees fit in order to minimize conflict and establish order. And throughout 2 and 3 he constantly praises the Chancellor for his strength. It could not be more clearly established that Anakin believes in a authoritarian model of govt as long as the right one is in charge.
Oh wow! Those sparse instances of dialogue really sketch out why he trusted someone who started an interplanetary war, murdered a bunch of kids, suddenly hated his mentor/best friend, and force choked his pregnant wife (instead of expressing any knowledge about the Sith and following the Jedi he'd spent the last decade and a half with)! Wow, you sure got me! It's not convuluted at all and is totally developed within the context of the plot and his relationships with other characters!
moron.
>Oh wow! Those sparse instances of dialogue really sketch out why he trusted som--
Should have stopped reading right there. You have absolutely no grasp on Star Wars and at this point its fricking embarrassing. You act like Anakin should have just been content with keeping his literal slave name of Skywalker when in reality he became Darth Vader as soon as he stepped into the Temple and massacred everyone. He could never go back. Not even after Padme died. That's why its so tragic. He is fueled by what is implied to be years of constant chiding and verbal smackdowns by the masters of the temple. Every shitty training session every shitty mission for the republic. He truly saw through the Jedi as they became murderers in name of the republic. You're just too blind to see it.
You have no concept of how decent writing works and just keep explaining basic plot points (and now even shit that isn't even in the movies) as if it's indicative the movies aren't convultued. It basically boils down to
>His character isn't developed, even withing the context of the convoluted plot, and his motivations make no sense when taken into consideration with his supposed relationships and (always convenient and shallow) motivations
>NO! YOU'RE JUST FILTERED! HE THOUGHT HE COULD SAVE PADME AND HE LOVED HIS MOM! HE DIDN'T LIKE THE JEDI BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THEY WERE EVIL
They're badly written pieces of garbage. They appeal to you because you don't have the ability to understand why they're badly written and just go along with it (telling people who point out they're stupid about your emotional reactions to the plot as if that's the same thing as it not being contrived and nonsensical). You're a moron. Simple as.
You are so embarrassing
Oh shut up, you are grasping at straws to defend the indefensible, the prequels are badly written
>no you can't say this cuz... CUZ RLM just told me they're badly written, okay?!?
Another prequel hater troony bites the dust
>muh rent free RLM
imagine still seething about the Plinkett reviews?
>plinkett
Literally never heard of it and don't care. And RLM screens get spammed on here all day which is the only reason I know of them. Exactly zero views have been given to that soí channel from my IP.
Prequel haters cannot stop getting assmad as the object of their hate remains a cultural phenomenon for more than 2 decades now. Its so incredibly sweet.
>references it first
>I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT REEEEEEEE
Then how do you know anything of the shit that's been brought up is from the reviews, moron?
You are literally on a fricking board that unironically likes RLM, moron.
>don't know who they are
>rent free seethes about them
Yeah sure, zoomer. Prequels are trash, get better taste.
Those guys are gays but you're more of a gay for resorting to their criticism from over a decade ago as if it's the only reason people think you're terrible movies are terrible.
The problem with the Plinkett reviews is that their arguments have become so ubiquitous on the Internet that people seem to have forgotten that they are exaggerated for comedic effect. Plinkett isn't a real person, but the arguments presented have been repeated so many times by so many self-proclaimed "movie experts" on youtube that it doesn't matter anymore. And it doesn't help that the RLM guys are cynical gen-x'rs whose humor is defined by sarcasm. To hear them talk you would think that they hate Star Wars when they pretty clearly don't.
The prequels have a lot of noticeable issues, but there are worse movies
>the arguments are exaggerated
No they aren't, cope.
>To hear them talk you would think that they hate Star Wars when they pretty clearly don't.
Watch the Kenobi reviews, they really do.
They've been repeated because people have been thinking about the prequels problems collectively since Phantom came out, moron. RLM was just a nexus for every criticism we had. You lot never refute them, you just cry
I don't like RLM. They're one of the main reasons zoomers think being cynical and contrarian is the same thing as having a developed take on something. I made that meme because prequel gays constantly bring them up over and over and over whenever they're getting BTFO'd by someone explaining what's bad about the movies.
>The prequels have a lot of noticeable issues
The motivations of the main character being nonsensical in context to the plot, a lack of development and any nuance when it comes to the entire point of the movie (Anakin's downfall), supposedly important relationships that have no effect on the characters involved, plot threads that are entirely convenient and not organic in any way whatsoever, and in general just being a convoluted mess when all things are considered together. Those aren't just "noticeable issues," anon--they mean the movies are an objective failure of storytelling and can't be enjoyed by anyone with a brain.
Even the spectacle of it is bad. The original trilogy pioneered technical aspects of filmmaking that marked the start of a golden age of special effects. The prequels pioneered greenscreen techniques--the thing that turned movies into literal cartoons.
They're just terrible on every level.
>prequelgay is also Cinemaphileermin
What a surprise.
All you prequelgays do is regurgitate the plot. That's not an argument.
I think they do that because they're carried away by the emotional beats of the film. They confuse the idea of the movie having inner logic with what their reactions were to the plot points (hence, they don't recognize them as contrived and nonsensical).
It does seem that way, also seems like they can't divorce the execution of the films with the intent of the script.
>also seems like they can't divorce the execution of the films with the intent of the script.
They obviously can't but I think that gives them too much credit. The scripts are poorly written, that's the point of this discussion, and they can't understand why so they project the idea people pointing it out don't get what was going on. At the risk of sounding like a pseud, it's textbook Dunning-Kruger.
So him becoming a child mass murderer within a couple hours makes sense because one time he said he didn't like the Republic
let's not forget he was right-wing
>it's fricking over
That's literally what I thought that was as a child.
Sunk cost fallacy
>Whelp, my wife is dead and I personally murdered 90%+ of my order. Might as well go full Sith
It is dumb but it's probably a case of being pot committed. He's gone so far that he feels he has to keep going now
Anakin is a pos that the Jedi should’ve shunned I laughed when Obi Wan kicked his punk ass twice
his brain is a mess like the nightmare yoda show to luke in the empire strikes back
Sidious just btfo'd Mace fuggin Windu with force lightening he probably doesn't even know is possible, and orchestrated the extermination of all the spread out Jedi by the Clone Army. He's pretty much a hostage to him, even more so after being weakened in the Mustafar duel, on top of the Emperor's deliberately jank and debilitating life support suit. Probably can couch it in terms of "Being forced to lead a slave army of vat grown Clones by a cult that put me on a prophetic pedestal while denying me its inner secrets didn't suit me anyways. Oh yeah, and didn't have the decency to throw some cash to free my mother from slavery to ease my conscience when they have a gigantic treasury."
He thinks he killed her and the pain of that makes him basically kill himself mentally and became vader.
he loved Padme and was willing to do anything to save her.
once he kills the younglings, he's pretty much lost.
see the women he loves, the woman he betrayed his entire life for and the woman he murdered children for with his big bro who's there to kill him.
people naturally become upset with basic betrayals. imagine the woman you sold your soul to be with your former best m8 who's there to kill you.
no Padme didn't do it on purpose but from Anakin's perspective it sure as shit looks like. his absolute rage fuels his final descent into darkness.
remember what Yoda told Luke
the grey Jedi concept and any dark side users just quitting or being able to control it cheapens Anakin's redemption and in RTOJ and makes Yoda look like a fool or a liar.
so yeah why didn't Anakin just turn back, literally heaps of people have. he's just being a little b***h.
Immortality and absolute control over life and death is the carrot on a stick for most force users who turn Sith. It turns from a desire to an obsession. He thought mastering the dark side could still somehow bring her back
I liked you better as Vitiate.
The sith got his facebook password
he burned to many bridges to ever go back
>no jedi order due to him
>no republic due to him
>no friends (probably killed most of them)
>no family to his knowledge
All he had was Palpy by that point even if he soon realized he never actually cared about him and was just using him the entire time because hey at least its something, its also why the moment he learned he had a son he was slowly able to break free of Palpys grasp and redeem himself
OP, he has approached multiple people in both trilogies about seizing absolute power and betraying Palpatine. The only fault here is that the prequels don't emphasis Anakin's greed as much as they should've, especially following his mom's death in II.
You're getting it all wrong. Don't you think someone so sensitive to the Force was getting prophetic visions? He knew exactly what his future held and bravely marched forward even knowing that the Universe would see him as a villain.
What they've shown isn't even half the truth.
>Did you not see my headcanon? Isn't it convenient that I don't have to mention character development related to it or explain how these visions, that aren't in the movies, wouldn't have effects on Anakin's poorly presented inner conflict and the overarching plot? Did you notice I'm a tripgay?
Frick off moron.
>entire reason for posting on Cinemaphile as a teen was to have fun
>stop having fun
>still post
For what purpose?
this hit me hard
why are we still here bros?
It's just a website, it's the attachment to it that holds power over you. Literally go do something else. I'll go workout, work on my business then jerk off then watch trailer park boys for 10 hours.
Self hate.