>everyone fights with swords because shields nullify projectile weapons
>except for the shielded aircraft that get blown up with rockets, mines, and nukes
>except for the shielded Leto that got shot with a dart anyway
>except for the fact that nobody's using shields in the desert so you might as well use guns
I don't understand how warfare works in this universe. Everyone is shooting massive explosives and lasers at each others vehicles and then dismounting to fight with regular swords.
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Shields can be penetrated by projectiles that slow down at the last moment, then speed up to hit the target past the shield. A nice thing added in the film is the idea that most people wear personal body armor, meaning those weapons only really work against lightly armored targets.
The fact that Fremen don't just fight with Jezails/sniper rifles is kinda dumb, admittedly. They should be feared for being the best shots in the galaxy, and ranged fighting skills tend to have degraded in the armies of the Imperium so they tend to get slaughtered.
Also, the Fremen should get stomped during the Jihad, logically. Their whole edge on their homeland is that they know how to fight without shields, but the second they get to another planet they'll have to learn to fight shielded. I guess the Bene gesserit kung fu + being led by a dude with literal Prescience makes up for that.
>Shields can be penetrated by projectiles that slow down at the last moment, then speed up to hit the target past the shield
now explain how this can be done when computing isn't a thing.
A mentat designed the uh, shells to have an internal sensor that detects when it hits a shield, shuts the propellant off for a second, then reactivates?
There's a very very small suicide bomber inside?
Bene gesserit veganal magic?
If mentats exists, you don't need computers for its DESIGN, and no computers are needed to make it work.
>Aerial physics still apply
>Except when I say high-velocity projectiles slow-down and then speed-up
>Trajectory is toooooooooooooootally unaffected
Frick off, Herbert.
Too bad its fricking lame.
Villeneuve is a bit simple, it turns out.
Herbert*
The characters are only as intelligent as the author.
Are you moronic?
everything villeneuve makes is pitching to get a starwars trilogy
I love how you probably answered to your own post while ignoring the comment pointing out why it's utter moronic.
Simply the best, maybe.
>except for the shielded aircraft that get blown up with rockets, mines, and nukes
Didn't they have to turn off their shields when they intended to shoot projectiles from their turrets?
That's what we hear from the dialogue, but visually something very different happens.
It's a lack of attention to detail. Clearly Villaneuve doesn't care. Makes me wonder why I should care.
>gunner is clearly not firing
???
right, and the shield is up. So the rocket should detonate against the shield.
Apparently Chani has shield penetrating rockets but didn't tell Paul. Or maybe the special effects people just made all this shit without reading the script.
the rocket doesn't explode because it didn't penetrate armor
>the rocket doesn't explode
>rocket penetrates armor
>it explodes
>rocket doesn't penetrate armor
>it doesn't explode
what the frick are you talking about?
Armor penetration has nothing to do with any of this.
We're talking about the shields.
>rocket senses it hit shields
>doesn't explode
damn, that was hard
how did it get through the shield?
slow-moving rocket
>b-b-but
it exists, just like slow-moving darts do
>b-b-b-but
you have to hit a moving aerial target
>b-b-b-b-but
that's why paul coordinated with chani to do the thing
>that's why paul coordinated with chani to do the thing
they coordinated so that it would bring its shields down to shoot. but the shields didn't need to be down for the rocket to penetrate.
no matter how you slice it, it's wrong.
they coordinated so chani could actually hit the thopter
no they coordinated so the thopter would bring their shields down and shoot at Paul. I can understand your confusion though, seeing as the rocket managed to destroy the thopter despite it having shields up.
i think the rocket hit the plane just as the shield went up, maybe that's why they timed it and it could penetrate the shield. just a guess
Not him, but in actuality what happens is the rocket gets "caught" in the shield, so to speak. Mirroring the scene in Part One when the dart Leto is hit with is caught in his shield. It's weird and I don't get it, but I guess if something gets trapped, it will eventually penetrate? All in all the shield tech seems pretty worthless. I can't think of a single instance where it's portrayed as effective or beneficial.
Also the editing kinda fricks up the scene, because the first time Chani fires the rocket while the gunner is firing (I.E. the shield is down) the shield comes up almost instantaneously to counter, as if it's an automated response to the gun ceasing fire. But then when Paul baits the gunner, there's a could second or two after the gun stops firing before Chani actuallys gets the rocket off, but the shield isn't completely up, so the rocket gets trapped I guess? I don't know. It's just a dumb movie and the characters are not interesting in the slightest. Leto was, if only because Oscar Isaac is a decent actor, but that's about it.
You're a fricking moronic idiot. Just thought you should know.
I read that moment as the ornithopter shield goes back up the moment the missile was halfway past it, getting through by complete fluke rather than it being the burrowing kind of projectile.
Fair enough, I'd buy that explanation.
Stranger things have happened in real life.
dam thought this was a troll thread but you're genuinely moronic. villeneuve only makes cinema for european auteurs. you might not have got it because you're american, op. issues with your vision can be a sign latent diabetes
I guess it must be. it's just confusing to set up one thing, then do something different.
It just seems like Villanoob wanted to show off this special effect some more even though it didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Yeah, this. It got caught somewhere in between and wobbled its way in
This annoyed me too, but what annoyed me even more is how slow Paul is running to "distract" the gunner. Like holy shit, fricking eleven year-olds know how to aim ahead of a moving target. Also why was there only one thopter lmao, and how did they not see Gurney's slow, lumbering ass with his entire regiment doing the shimmy walk across sand all the way to the harvesting site? And why the frick were those Fremen buried in the sand anyway? How did Gurney know the harvester didn't have a shield? Why does the movie go out of it's way to establish that even fast moving sword swings will be deflected by the shield frequency, but then every fight sequence is just people swinging at the speed of light with no consequence, as if they weren't trained to not do that? Also in Part One, Gurney specifically teaches Paul a lesson about paying attention to the bigger picture during their training duel, when Paul claims victory but then realizes Gurney has "killed" him as well. Then in Paul's duel versus Feyd, this same instance is mimicked, but Paul survives and seems to suffer no consequences, so that entire training session scene was pointless since it lied to us and the presumed foreshadow was forgotten.
I fricking hate this movie so much it's unreal. What an amateur hour production. Even the visuals are not that great. Sicario has much more going on in its cinematography than this dumbass ugly film.
>Then in Paul's duel versus Feyd, this same instance is mimicked, but Paul survives and seems to suffer no consequences, so that entire training session scene was pointless since it lied to us and the presumed foreshadow was forgotten.
Paul completely learned the lesson and turned it around on Rautha, that's the entire point.
He gets stabbed in the same manner that Gurney "stabs" him, but just walks it off. He learned nothing.
>How did Gurney know the harvester didn't have a shield?
No shields in the desert. The vibrations aggravate worms. Harvesters simply don't have shields.
>Gurney specifically teaches Paul a lesson about paying attention to the bigger picture during their training duel, when Paul claims victory but then realizes Gurney has "killed" him as well. Then in Paul's duel versus Feyd, this same instance is mimicked, but Paul survives and seems to suffer no consequences, so that entire training session scene was pointless since it lied to us and the presumed foreshadow was forgotten.
Holy shit you aren't entirely astute, are you? In this example Paul's role has been reversed. He is the one taking the knife and "losing" while his opponent takes the danger he still presents for granted. This is him literally learning the lesson of his training and reversing gurney's example on Feyd.
I get half of what you are doing is simply trying to be a contrarian homosexual and shitpost, but at least try not to embarrass yourself with a painful display of your lack critical thought.
Does the Harvester itself not aggravate worms?
>In this example Paul's role has been reversed. He is the one taking the knife and "losing" while his opponent takes the danger he still presents for granted. This is him literally learning the lesson of his training and reversing gurney's example on Feyd.
Except that Gurney doesn't lull Paul into the assumption of success, only then to stab him. Their blades meet eachother at the same moment, and while Gurney's would presumably be quicker due to the area of injury, Paul would inevitably die as well. If anything, Paul's fight post-training and post-worm magic is worse, but his plot armor has increased by 10x, so he's fine. Note; my issue isn't that Feyd loses, or even Paul's tactic. It's that he gets stabbed by an expert combatant and suffers what otherwise would be a fatal wound to anybody else, and again, just walks it off.
>Does the Harvester itself not aggravate worms?
It does, that's why it's dropped off and retrieved by airship and why the ornithopters fly around looking for wormsign.
So if you're escorting a harvester to prevent Fremen from... walking up to it(?), why not wear a shield just in case? Hell, some dude mentioned that it (the shield) has the potential to attract multiple worms from miles away. If anything, this seems like a benefit. Easier to spot multiple targets, and larger window to spot any one of them and initiate the evacuation.
>why not wear a shield just in case?
Because it would call worms even faster and decrease profits because the window of harvesting would decrease.
Leave it off? You don't just have the fire extinguisher going off all the time.
Really? It seems like they do more than just investigate. That first reveal during the Atreides harvester evacuation ends in the entire area being consumed whole.
>Leave it off? You don't just have the fire extinguisher going off all the time.
Most people don't instinctively activate a fire estinguisher when they feel in danger.
I would hope most people don't just stand there and let the fire consume them either. No pun intended, R.I.P. Max.
Vibrations in the soil just annoy passing worms enough to come investigate, shields drive them insane.
In the context of the movie though I don't have an answer for you, there are shields and lasers everywhere.
In the movie they use lasers only when they know there would be no shield.
They even spell it out with an Harkonnen saying "no shield" but the authors made a mistake because it didn't repeat it 3 times while winking at the camera and quipping so the morons ITT didn't pick it up.
>cut off and under intense crossfire on an exposed rock outcrop
>your officer's dead and the sergeants look white
>nooo don't activate your shield emitters which we apparently still have on our armor, that's against the rules
The better way to handle it would be to say that the fremen don't use rifles because when they do, the sardaukar just turn on their shields and both sides get wiped out by sandworms.
>The better way to handle it would be to say that the fremen don't use rifles because when they do, the sardaukar just turn on their shields and both sides get wiped out by sandworms
To say it is overlong, and to show it would be awsome but yet another scene that does not advance the story.
I think it would mesh nicely with the emerging awareness of how signal discipline works in modern conflict, but yeah it doesn't add enough.
No they don't. When the Emperor's men, whatever they were called, find Duncan, Paul and Jessica, they laser through the door despite seeing that Duncan has an active shield, foregoing any reasonable presumption that the people inside may also have shields.
For a refresher: https://youtu.be/_rQrkheSXTo?si=Dg2OvsZTVGRRfpU3
They don't use it on Duncan. They activate it once he's down.
Are you moronic? Did you watch the scene you posted?
>foregoing any reasonable presumption that the people inside may also have shields
You sure you can read, my man?
>It's that he gets stabbed by an expert combatant and suffers what otherwise would be a fatal wound to anybody else, and again, just walks it off.
I agree, this was a weak moment. But protagonist is gunna protag I guess.
>Does the Harvester itself not aggravate worms?
Not nearly at the same level.
>In this example Paul's role has been reversed.
But the point of the training fight was that they both die.
>Apparently Chani has shield penetrating rockets but didn't tell Paul.
That's probably the only type they have.
It's very clear what happened.
>Gunner shoots, lowering the shield
>Rocket is fired at gunner
>Gunner stops firing the moment the rocket enters the shield zone, causing the rocket to struggle (for dramatic effect) against a shield barrier not working to its full potential because the rockets is aready half-way through
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>Also the editing kinda fricks up the scene, because the first time Chani fires the rocket while the gunner is firing (I.E. the shield is down) the shield comes up almost instantaneously to counter, as if it's an automated response to the gun ceasing fire. But then when Paul baits the gunner, there's a good second or two after the gun stops firing before Chani actuallys gets the rocket off, but the shield isn't completely up
It's a fine scene in theory, it's just the timing the filmmakers fricked up on. Well, I say it's fine, but I still say it's dumb that the gunner somehow can't comprehend the oh so complicated tactic of shooting infront of a moving target. Call of Duty existed in this universe at one point, presumably. How this dude misses Paul is baffling.
trying to make sense of Penis Villeneuf's action scenes is an exercise in futility. you're just supposed to go "OH MAN THERES A BIG BOOM AND SHAKY FART SOUND OMG THIS IS CINEMA"
>it's just the timing the filmmakers fricked up on
yeah it's shit editing.
but according to some anons it's autism.
no matter how you slice it, it's wrong.
either it was written incorrectly
or it was edited poorly
>causing the rocket to struggle (for dramatic effect) against a shield barrier not working to its full potential because the rockets is aready half-way through
yeah that's fricking moronic. it's not a thing. making up a new rule to explain this one scene is not the way.
looks like the shield closed when the projectile was coming through, frick knows how it gained acceleration maybe it's le magnetic
the movie is shit and that whole extended sequence was snyder tier idiotic garbage and the fact they just laser the harvester after loosing grunts for no reason is just icing on the cake
>that whole extended sequence was snyder tier idiotic garbage
yeah that's what I'm sayin!
This sequence was when I realized that things weren't going well for Part 2.
>and the fact they just laser the harvester after loosing grunts for no reason
The montage sequence was pretty rushy, but I think it's an easy assumption that they needed to kill the ornithopter and infantry before they could start lasering.
In the 1900s they figured out how to shoot a machine gun through a plane propeller without having to stop it
Synchronizing a forcefield to high projectile rounds might have required the use of computer which are forbidden in the Dune universe.
how did they do that?
black magic
das rite!
by mechanically only allowing the mechanism to fire when the propeller is at a certain position. Works best at lower speeds.
relatively simple math, propeller moving at specific rmp, bullet travels at specific mph.
really simple if/then from there. if propeller at x location spinning y rpm, then allow firing mechanism function, if not, disallow.
sardaukars look like shit in Dunc. More like angry motorcycle gays
All the armor and stilsuits looked like shit. The only character with good costumes was Jessica. Makes me think they had one person design Jessica's wardrobe while another moron designed everything else
Bene Gesserit in general looked mystical and cool.
Holy shit someone found them. I looked on amazon a few times trying to find the gloves they got for her costume.
Should have asked /k/, they love that shit.
They're just Oakleys, and in the first movie they wear off the shelf motorcycle jackets.
all the faction soldiers looked like from a generic multiplayer shooter
for the shielded aircraft that get blown up with rockets, mines, and nukes
They specifically showed that the rocket only got through while the shield was lowered so they could shoot. Mines are slow moving so the shield do not block it (same idea as melee), and nukes are supposedly illegal and fremen don't have it.
for the shielded Leto that got shot with a dart anyway
It was a special HK dart which uses the slow moving feature to penetrate shields.
for the fact that nobody's using shields in the desert so you might as well use guns
They do use guns in the opening scene, both fremen and harkonen though.
>They specifically showed that the rocket only got through while the shield was lowered so they could shoot
wrong
>It was a special HK dart which uses the slow moving feature to penetrate shields.
So use them? It takes several seconds for Duncan to remove a single dart while its drilling through his shield, if you fire multiple darts at him he cannot remove them all in time, and he just dies.
Not him but I'm still confused why Duncaccino Potato sacrificed himself. The time he spent "delaying" them didn't even do anything. They could've all just snuck out the exit, closed the secret door behind them and been gone. Not saying the story should be changed, I know in the lore he gets cloned like fifty-gorillion times. The scene was just weird. Poorly executed and the fight choreography gave me Last Jedi vibes.
Somewhat unrelated, but I also have no idea why DUNCan shaved his beard. Before he leaves with the advanced party, he has a beard. When he comes back, he has a beard. Then he shaves it and looks awkward. I would know, I look awkward with or without it, but Jason looked good with the beard. Just a strange, distracting detail.
>Somewhat unrelated, but I also have no idea why DUNCan shaved his beard. Before he leaves with the advanced party, he has a beard. When he comes back, he has a beard. Then he shaves it and looks awkward. I would know, I look awkward with or without it, but Jason looked good with the beard. Just a strange, distracting detail.
For this I think it was meant to show the passage of time; but the movies do such a shit job at portraying this that you have no idea how long anything has taken. Part One could have taken place over a few days, or a few months, and there's no indication that either happened. In the first book, the story takes place over 5 years--it's shortened in the movie--but the films still do a shit job in portraying how much time has passed.
>shields hit by lasguns cause both the shield and gun to explode with the force of a nuclear blast, so they're moronic to use in all-out warfare
>Dune 1 climax features a lasgun beam zipping all over an active battlefield that could wipe out everyone involved if it were to touch a single person on the ground
>shields attract worms so aren't used in the desert, hence all the Harkonnen troops getting headshotted in opening scene of Dune 2
>Harkonnen ornithopter guarding a spice crawler has a shield for some reason
>fremen use a lasgun to destroy same spice crawler from a distance
>so running right up to it on foot and that whole action scene served no purpose
>Paul proposes to wed the emperor's daughter to legitimately claim the throne in the eyes of the Landsraad houses
>in the movie the houses call his bluff on destroying the spice and so he goes to war with them
>so there's no reason to follow through with marriage any more
The nuclear explosion thing is stupid but it's a book thing, can't blame the film for that.
Shields are fine to use in the air, the vibrations don't travel into the sand and attract worms.
I'll let you have the 3rd one.
If you could wouldn't you want to marry a qt3.14 princess and bang her every night?
She's not qt3.14 in the movie and even in the books he doesn't bang her(though chani ditched him in the movie so I guess he probably will in the sequel)
There's still political advantages to marrying her though
>If you could wouldn't you want to marry a qt3.14 princess and bang her every night?
the book made it very clear that chani was paul's real wife in all but name and he saw irulan as nothing more than a political tool.
I don't know why they decided to make it so confusing in the movie.
>I don't know why they decided to make it so confusing in the movie.
Because Chani in the book is just another flaccid Fremen character and choosing a different woman for political reasons makes for understandable drama. I know it may be blasphemy to defend any diversions from the book but when I got hit with the "actually Chani, WE are the real wives!" as the note the story ended on, I truly couldn't believe such an iconic book went out with such a wet fart.
>paul's real wife in all but name
yeah it's called concubine
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Audiences wouldn’t accept Paul just taking her as a concubine because everyone thinks they get to demand stories be told according to their ephemeral secular values. It makes a mess of Messiah though. It’s going to be really different from the book, especially if they don’t have Alia age up really quickly. Would take literally one line to explain and they could cast ATJ again just fine but I somehow feel like they’ll find a way to frick it up.
>Shields are fine to use in the air, the vibrations don't travel into the sand and attract worms.
I'm not in the desert, I'm above it.
This is so moronic. And since when is it the shield vibrations that draw in worms? That can't be true. The spice harvesters are already vibrating up a storm so adding shields wouldn't make it worse.
No the problem is that shields, for some reason, send the worms in a huge radius into a killing frenzy.
Doesn't matter if you're a couple of hundred feet above the desert. Villaneuve is just a hack.
>I'm not in the desert, I'm above it.
yes. glad you understand.
And since when is it the shield vibrations that draw in worms? That can't be true. The spice harvesters are already vibrating up a storm so adding shields wouldn't make it worse.
>And since when is it the shield vibrations that draw in worms?
because it's sci-fi
>The spice harvesters are already vibrating up a storm so adding shields wouldn't make it worse.
Because shields work sandworms into a killing frenzy to the point that they ignore thumpers. it is safe to say that the aerial scouts that accompany harvesters deploy thumpers to distract sandworms away from the spice
>but why don't they use shields to distract them? check and mate!
they do. read the books.
>Because shields work sandworms into a killing frenzy
Correct. Vibrations have nothing to do with it.
And it doesn't matter if you're "above" the desert.
>Because shields work sandworms into a killing frenzy to the point that they ignore thumpers.
Ah so now you're acknowledging it's more than just vibrations. Like I said, if it was just vibrations, there would be no reason to not shield harvesters. But it's not the vibrations, it's the holtzman effect.
>>but why don't they use shields to distract them? check and mate!
now you're just arguing with yourself. I never claimed they wouldn't use them as distractions and it sounds reasonable, though I never recall it happening in the first book
>And it doesn't matter if you're "above" the desert.
it does, though?
>Ah so now you're acknowledging it's more than just vibrations
It is vibrations, though?
No, it isn't. Where did you get that?
My other qualm with "sending worms into killing frenzy" because of "vibration shields..."
... so fricking what? Let 'em. They aren't gonna hurt me and my shield. It's kinda the point of the shield. You tank the FRICK out of things.
Unless it's a laser.
Or a nuke.
Or a knife.
Frick this.
>Get eaten by a worm
>Laser your way out
Checkmate, wormBlack folk
The shields are mostly a big excuse to have medieval battles in the distant future, that's it.
>fremen use a lasgun to destroy same spice crawler from a distance
>so running right up to it on foot and that whole action scene served no purpose
I was so confused by the end of this absolutely moronic scene.
There are a lot of plot holes here and there, might it be a case of scarcity in ammunition for the laser that they save it for larger targets?
They should just have used the laser to destroy the crawler to begin with and then piss off.
I also wondered how long they would have been lying in wait in the sand.
ornithopter guarding a spice crawler has a shield for some reason
the spice crawler itself is going to attract a worm so they might as well put shields on the chopper. also i guess it's in the air so the vibrations don't reach the ground?
>the spice crawler itself is going to attract a worm so they might as well put shields on the chopper. also i guess it's in the air so the vibrations don't reach the ground?
the shield drives worms absolutely crazy so its even worse than a harvester and its vibrations.
maybe the frequency of the shield penetrates the ground and causes the worm to be attracted to it? i dunno, I haven't read the books in a long time.
use a lasgun to destroy same spice crawler from a distance
>>so running right up to it on foot and that whole action scene served no purpose
they used the lazgun right after the ship with a shield was destroyed. so they needed to destroy that ship with conventional weapons before they took out the harvester with the lazguns.
but yes, the shielded ship should've attracted a worm.
>they needed to destroy that ship with conventional weapons before they took out the harvester with the lazguns.
lol
>lol
Because if the fremen missed the harvester with the lazguns and hit the shield of the escort ship by accident, it would've created an atomic explosion.
that's total nonsense and even if you do that's still mission accomplished and better than loosing the people they lost
the only reason they would need to kill the chopper is to make sure it doesn't go after the sniper after the crawler is dead
and they might argue that it's easier to kill the chopper under the cover of the crawler
but they lost some 6 people doing it vs risking the life of 1 sniper
might even be easier to ambush the chopper when it goes after the sniper by shooting it with another laser, if you want to give him a fair chance just send 2 guys instead of 8 and you get minuscule chance of loosing 2, small chance of loosing 1, great chance of loosing none
vs they lost a bunch
>they used a lazgun on x
>after the shield on y was gone
So don't hit y?
The crawler is big, the ornithopter is tiny. It's pretty easy to "miss" the ornithopter and still hit the crawler.
But let's add another circumstance stupidity to "why,"
>what if the crew of the crawler was wearing a shield?
>wouldn't the lasgun destroy EVERYTHING about the crawler, including the crew, which strikes a shield, which causes the nuke, so everything fails regardless?
No one can have a shied in the desert of Arrakis... unless it's on a flying ornithopter???
And what about the city Arrakeen on Arrakis? Wouldn't shields be forbidden there, too, since "shields send worms into a frenzy?"
This whole "shields are everywhere" and "can't have shields" hypocrisy does NOT fit the plot well of space-traveling future humans without computers.
Lasers were funnier in the books
>However, if a lasgun beam hit a Holtzman field, it would result in sub-atomic fusion and a nuclear explosion. The center of this blast was determined by random chance; sometimes it would originate within the shield, sometimes within the laser weapon, sometimes both."
>Paul proposes to wed the emperor's daughter to legitimately claim the throne in the eyes of the Landsraad houses
>in the movie the houses call his bluff on destroying the spice and so he goes to war with them
>so there's no reason to follow through with marriage any more
Well yes, except in the movie Chani is a disgusting mutt, so marrying the princess is a mild upgrade (would be a major upgrade if florence pig had not been cast as the princess).
The marriage was to spare her father. At least that's why she went through with it. As for Paul, which is better for being God Emperor of the Entire Universe, marrying the established Princess of it, or some random desert mongrel?
I mean, considering he's just threatened to nuke everybody and is actively waging war on the Entire Universe, I don't think it really matters whether your claim is legitimate or not at that point. I mean who the frick is really going to care when the only real reason anybody might follow you is out of fear? Excluding the Fremen, of course. I guess the Emperor's house might be more lenient and more willing to ally, but that would hypothetically also be out of fear for their Princess. What's an heir apparent to the threat of nuking your entire populace? Marrying Irulan just seems redundant without the contex of the Spacing Guild, and the establishment of the Jihad being essentially out of Paul's control. It's like the film's screenplay is written entirely opposite to what it should have been. Does Denni Vanilli have dyslexia or some shit?
>I didn't read the book
He took the princess to wife in order to elevate the position of "Concubine" over "Wife", at least in his time, because his mom was a concubine. He never planned on consummating his marriage with the princess as sort of an insult to the tradition of holding a wife in a higher respect than a concubine.
>shields hit by lasguns cause both the shield and gun to explode with the force of a nuclear blast
And yet nukes are banned? You could very easily rig up nukes anywhere you wanted with that dumbass rule.
Nukes aren't actually banned IIRC. Every major household has them, but it's essentially an intergalactic standoff, comparable to present day real life. They're used against some giant space monsters or some shit, but that's it. Kinda makes the ending of Part Two all the weirder, cause Paul has his trigger on the finger. Makes you wonder why the Houses don't just nuke Paul and pray the spice survives the aftereffects, since he's a madlad who is about to directly nuke all the spice fields. Maybe they forgot their nukes at home, which doesn't make a lot of sense considering they had to travel intergalactically to get to Arrakis. Might want your nukes onboard in case of emergency. Whatever. Why is everybody so obsessed with intergalactic travel anyway? Can these homies not survive one generation without traveling a gorillion light years while they work out the post-spice kinks? I guess it's just a story about crack addiction. Frick it.
>pray the spice survives the aftereffects
It's not a remotely identical comparison, but would you use something that could potentially destroy all the oil we use to run shit in the world? If they lose the Spice it's essentially over since space travel is out. Which is exactly how Paul had them by the balls.
I mean, if there's a dude threatening to do it anyway, sure. Better to roll the dice than just let it happen. People in Dune seem pretty adept at adapting. I'm sure the whole A.I. ban would revert overnight, at least temporarily until an alternative is found.
No one knows that Mua'Dib is Paul though, right? So they don't know about about the nukes either. Hell even if they knew about him being Paul they still probably didn't know the nukes were there in Arrakis. Even he didn't know, only Leto and Gurney seemed to know about them.
This is so obviously a product of its time it's hilarious. The politics of dune is just the cold war in space complete with MAD and people fighting over access to oil (aka spice).
>They're used against some giant space monsters or some shit
sounds like some Brian Herbert shit, so best ignored.
>Why is everybody so obsessed with intergalactic travel anyway?
kek are you moronic? once a society builds its economy around imports and exports, it becomes dependent on that for its livelihood.
It's like Frank Herbert has never heard of "kamikaze."
Honestly, the idea about shield+laser combo being that destructive is fricking dumb.
Just think about how much damage a single suicidebomber fremen fanatic could do for virtually at virtually no cost.
how do they get off the worms?
I guess you just pull the hooks out and as the worm slowly reenters the sand you can basically step off
In the book, you have to ride them until they get so exhausted that they stop moving, then you can safely get off.
this aborted trilogy is so boring
did anyone actually watch this?
The Fremen use guns or "Maula pistols" in the books
Yeah I bought it until they were standing there in the first movie holding little kitchen knives while there were giant spaceships blowing shit up, I thought "Yeah this is stupid."
If projectiles wont go through shields, how are swords supposed to?
they literally explain it in the movie
Hear me out bro
>the slow blade
>penetrates the shield
Does the shield flicker at a high rate or something? Even then every time it flickers wouldnt it just push the blade back out? Or does it work some other way that somehow allows a blade to come through but not a bullet or arrow
It has to let slow objects through or you wouldn't be able to interact with anything, let alone breathe. I guess it doesn't let energetic waves through either because sunlight works but lasers cause shit to explode.
But slow stab is something that can get deflected with ease. Or you can just run at the person's blade and it will bounce of your shield cause you moving too fast for the blade to penetrater
Every fight irl would end in a stalemate and it's kind of obvious that Frank Herbert was a shutin.
the one thing that bothered me about this was that none of the choreography matched this, everyone is still swinging their blades at full speed while penetrating shields
it doesn't mean you literally have to swing your blade slow.
it just means that a blade is hundreds/thousands of times slower than a bullet or laser.
That's the exact opposite of what Gurney says
shield isn't completely inpenetrable, air needs to pass through it so the shield user can breath. objects going over a certain speed get stopped. think it's like the shield the gungans use in phantom menace
Then how does air get through the shield?
>nobody uses shields in the desert because they attract worms harder, use guns here
>nobody uses lasers against shields because the users will blow up both ends
>ballistics don't work on shields so people usually use knives which can get through you slice slow enough.
>advanced weaponry is designed to hit the shield and get stuck in a feedback loop that slowly sucks it in. It's not 100% reliable if the target is trained to block it like Duncan was.
>everyone carries knives because they are the ground floor of Dune combat that has no counter measure.
>nobody uses lasers against shields because the users will blow up both ends
This is a terrible reason in a setting with both religious fanatics and remote drones. It would make more sense if the shields directed laser energy straight back at the shooter without harming the shield user.
If was going to change the canon, I would just make it so shields could only easily be penatrated by a metamatetial or by vibroblades because of the <tecnobable> frequency they generate.
It's a 60s book, the eagles also could've flown the ring to Mordor.
But they explained why the eagles couldn't several times in the books. It's the movies that forgot to do it.
You're forgetting in the book they mentioned the Holtzman-effect explosion is inconsistent. Sometimes it's as mild as merely destroying the lasgun, and sometimes it's worse than atomics.
It comes across an outside observer as akin to an atomic when it goes real apeshit (and as anon said it's inconsistent). So you would be seen as skirting the rules of legal warfare and introducing atomics de-facto which means you get your ass fricking nuked. This is a world that is ritualized to a stupid degree, very much the reason (among others) why Leto II had to make humanity spread out. So if you are seen trying to solicit a nuclear reaction by using lasers with shields, you will get your ass grass. And because it's inconsistent false flag attacks will run into trouble.
>And since when is it the shield vibrations that draw in worms? That can't be true.
Something specific to the vibrations of the shield makes worms (plural) go apeshit.
And the explanation he used, if you aren't pedantic autists who think they're clever with some cute armchairing then it is perfectly acceptable for verisimilitude.
The Fremen also would have the guild freak out and want to reneg on their backroom deals to not spy on the south because "Holy shit you apes, you used atomics this is the one thing you are not allowed to ever do". Warfare is ritualistic to a stupid degree by consent, and part of Leto II's efforts is to get humanity to shake off that topor.
>Something specific to the vibrations
wrong.
The book is basically shonenshit just without the cool pictures
what's weird to me is how the worms were seen as godly, untouchable, extremely dangerous being in the first film and then they are suddently tame pets for the fremen wtf lmao
They leveled up enough to get the epic mount riding skill, not a complicated concept you dumb chud.
In the books if a laser hits a shield it actually converts matter back to energy which creates a 100% efficient nuclear explosion which would destroy the entire planet.
>destroy the entire planet
False.
>It would make more sense if the shields directed laser energy straight back at the shooter without harming the shield user.
very smart
>False
My dad wrote a letter to him and he confirmed it.
Source?
there is a scene in the book where they hide a shield somewhere and the harkonnens laser it and die
Everything is just an excuse to have space sword fights.
Because sword fights in space: cool
Herbert's friend Jack Vance also understood this, see pic rel.
It's the only actual explanation.
Herbert himself admitted the only reason why everyone uses swords is because he thought it'd be cool and also matches with the tone. Would have been weird if Dune ended with Paul and Feyd doing a quickdraw duel with pistols or lasers or something like that.
>Because sword fights in space: cool
Facts
read the book
Magic shield protects from guns and lasers
Not going full medieval with arrows , exlosive atows ala rambo 3, no catapults that throw rocs to squish enemies, no cavalry equivalent on bikes, cars etc ala madmax
Not using hand shileds
What a shitshow
>needing catapults, horses and arrows when in the Duneverse you can be trained to be a killing machine with just your hands and feet
lol we need an irl butlerian jihad
And in the Duneverse, they apparently have anti-gravity suits. Who needs "flight?"
Might as well strap an anti-gravity suit to a bomb and then push it from 40 miles away into the basecamp at the exact speed slow enough to penetrate shields and watch. Never mind one, maybe a couple hundred.
Bros, I'm 200 pages in and struggling. Please convince me to keep reading.
Villeneuve was flat-out lying when he claimed to be a fan of the books, has zero understanding of the setting, and only made these films to be his Dark Knight trilogy to try and get on Nolan’s level in terms of industry clout.
>the films
Poor adaptation.
>the books
It's not a "scifi" story, despite being set in space and insisting on "MUH MIDOCHLORIANS"-tier explanations for how the magic works. It's a fantasy story, complete with sorceresses and sword-swinging true heirs to sundered nobility.
for the fact that nobody's using shields in the desert so you might as well use guns
In Dune 2 the Harkonnen dudes use a lot more ranged weapons but still get rekt because they're shit fighters
they also use guns that don't shoot lasers so the fremen might as well just use shields against the chopper
the fremen read the script and it said none of them could use shields
>but still get rekt because the plot says so
fixed
Chuds still nitpicking rather than just admitting that they only hate the film because it has black people. Sad.
>Chuds still nitpicking rather than just admitting that they only hate the film because it has black people.
Why not both?
call me chud one more time you non book reading scum
I read the book, chud. You have not. Literally everything you cry about in this thread is straight from the books.
You mean you listened to the audiobook at 2.5 speed while playing Fortnite right homosexual?
the combat in Fortnite makes way more sense than that in Dunc
No, incel, I read all the books up to heretics and then decided to not read any more because heretics was so outrageously bad. You have not read the books if you think that the criticisms in this thread apply solely to DUNC.
wahh wahh go back to plebbit zoomie boy where everyone else is so illiterate they’re incapable of looking at something a critical eye and nobody has an opinion except everything Hollywood does is great
go leave, incel, where nobody has an opinion except being a contrarian
You missed the leto 1s revelation where he had an affair with the Baron before he got fat. That was a weird 3 chapter about sex between men on a water planet, sand planet and oil planet. I get it Herbert fluids are important but come on. Woke garbage
Zoomer brain. Is it summer already?
Getting Zendaya for the role mindbroke them hard
ITS NOT IN THE BOOK GOD DAMMIT. WAKE THE FRICK UP
> ILL TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER'S PUSSY AND FILL IT WITH MY SAND SEED ON THE DAILY YOU DECREPIT FRICK
Jesus Dennis
we await your orders, mua'dsneed
denis would never make something so vigorous and energetic
Paul "Muadib" "Usul" "Atreides" "Lisan Al Ghaib" "Mahdi" "Harkonnen"
>Leaves out Kwizatz CabbagePatch
really homie
>Please, my lord, take an hour off from lovingly breeding your dusky concubine and frick my virgin, bred-for-generations princess dicky. You don't even have to look at me, just close your eyes, pretend I'm her, and give me your seed.
WWYD?
deny them both my precious bodily fluids
She has milk dud nipples. would not bang.
pugh more like ugh, fricking ugly b***h
I love her.
she's so disgusting i couldn't get into the film. watching her and walken awkwardly staring into the distance beyond each other in their brief scenes said it all. she's so off putting and modern feeling. it's uncanny valley to put her in another time like in oppenheimer or dunc
Brutally, viciously, mercilessly mogged.
For me, it's Susan Sarandon.
Not my Irulan
I miss this deaf homosexual moron like you wouldn't believe
Why did he have a monster voice but the other Harkonnens have normal voices?
because he's deaf
Humans are lucky that there are no aliens in this universe
They do use guns, they just get ambushed and are inexperienced with them unlike the crusty ass fremen. Although where the fremen learned kung fu is a mystery to me.
>Although where the fremen learned kung fu
From their new Benis Gesserit.
Meanwhile, in the 70s.
All of these would look like super sentai shit on screen.
did you Black folk even watch the movie? it's stated that high velocity projectiles cant penetrate the shield, but a special form of melee combat can, because the soldiers train to slowly pierce through as they fight.
>except for the shielded aircraft that get blown up with rockets, mines, and nukes
doesnt happen. chani shoots at an ornithopter just as it got its shield back up, that's why the missile was able to get through
>except for the shielded Leto that got shot with a dart anyway
it was a special projectile that slowed down as it was shot at him
>Fremen have lasgun
>Can shoot a shielded ship or soldier from miles away and cause a nuclear explosion devastating the area and killing untold numbers of Harkonnen/Suckdikar
>They just don't because, umm, uh, they just don't OK!
Instead they use to destroy a random spice collector and a couple soldiers.
Fremen aren't that smart, anon. Read that book.
the explosion is entirely inconsistent and can happen at any point along the laser beam and be worse than multiple future space people atomic bombs that are holdovers from when technology was so powerful it rebelled and scarred the universe forever and they straight up banned computers instead opting for giga genetics and drugs to make human computers called "mentats".
So, Congratulations, you blew your sietch to kingdom come and did nothing to your enemy; whats the next step of your masterplan?
You guys b***h and moan about it not being hard sci-fi enough to have every little detail perfectly figured out but you are too illiterate to even understand the basics of what it DOES have figured out
In all fairness to him, the unintended nuclear capability of lasers meeting shields is never mentioned in this adaptation, so why they aren't just constantly using them is quite strange.
You're right. I'm just b***hing because I wanted these at least half-way decent movies to inspire memes and lore discussion but instead its "wHy diDn't duH EaGles TakE DuH riNG!?" x1000
LoTR threads continue to reign supreme with better movies and more Lore chads.
the dunc movies don't deserve any lore discussion. they shat on the lore so that they could avoid offending anybody. frick dunc
there are beautiful thematic points they hit so well that get boiled down to "who the frick is this Black person he talkin to in his head LOL". Stilgar is fricking great in the second movie. So charismatic but people forget he even exists.
Messiah is one of my favorite books of all time, I think it is a fantastic interrogation of the spirit and determinism/free will and I'm just hoping to god that at least one of you goodly autists picks some line or something from it and it becomes a meme so shit like b***hing about Zendaya (who out-acted Timothy, b***hy monkey-face ending aside) or just simply not understanding things that are plainly said in the film.
I'm coping about the possibility of mass gpt posts using undetectable personal prompts or software because the alternative is horrifying and I don't need help to imagine the world we live in more hellish than it is.
I could have sworn the first movie goes over it but tbh my interpretation of the movies is 'tainted' by having read the books and thus understanding most of what happens innately "just like the simulations". To that end the montage of 2 was easy to follow
The movies are popular and the year is 2024. This is the discussion you will get on the internet regardless of quality. Half of these people are bots.
nta but is this explained in the films? I admittedly haven't read the books so all of my knowledge is from multiple watches of each film and I didn't realize lasers were so self-destructive.
Specific explanations aside I really don't agree with the first half of the film being a weird montage, and I don't think you can blame confusion on the viewers. Villeneuve does very well on slow pace and this shit was light-speed, and took way more suspense of disbelief than his work usually does. It's just a slideshow of events and there's a lot left to the viewer's imagination... when this director already leaves a lot to the viewer's imagination whenever he's illustrating at a snail's pace.
I didn't see these shit movies but the book excuse is that kinetic shields activate whenever they detect motion above a certain speed, which is why they need to move slowly during a knife fight, you have to get close enough to your opponent with slow movements that the shield wont activate until you can strike.
That excuse is mentioned in brief during Part One, but is never actually portrayed in the choreography. Even the scene where they mention it doesn't actually choreograph slow(er) movements. Everybody's just fighting as if they're wielding lightsabers because the reality is some weird, Tai-Chi lookin' crap wouldn't translate to screen well at all. Unfortunately, instead of cutting this element from the story like a sane person, Denny doubled down on it and made it even more nonsensical. He made sure to cut the Spacing Guild though. What a clear-minded individual who completely understands story structure and character motivations.
You can make slow combat look tense and dangerous, look at The Duelists. It works there because it's made very clear how dangerous the weapons are and how vulnerable the fighters are, one wrong move and they are dead.
Sure but that's different. They're still dueling at high speed which would, in theory, be ineffective. It's just that the buildup is long and analytical, and the fight itself is brief. Dune's shields are just dumb concepts that probably sounded good on paper, but have no translation to screen. They also appear to have no relevance or purpose in the story. So it's literally just a
>Well, it sounded cool
kinda deal. So it should have been cut, because film is a visual medium, and it doesn't look cool at all. I hope Denis didn't pay too much for his film degree from Phoenix.
The missile is a special projectile that’s able to slow down to penetrate the shield.
>guided missile with no visible propulsion or steering system
>but the copter has some moronic physics defying bugwings
They have levitation devices
The baron uses one
The soldiers have them
Because Frank Herbert just wanted combat in his universe to be a an intimate, personal contest between the wills of two individuals, not people shooting laser guns at each other from a distance. That's it. Don't think about it too hard
Why don't they use shields in the desert anyway? At least when you're escorting a harvester, which I still do not understand why there needed to be some dudes walking beside it on foot.
>inb4 worms
because Penis needs to have some shitty action scenes and he's too lazy to think them through
How did The Baron survive dioxis to the face?
No I will never stop asking this question.
He turns his shield on right before Leto spat it in his face, then used his suspensors to fly up into the ceiling where he avoided the rest of it
Shields don't register gas, or at least not when it's as slow moving as the cyanide was, as evidence by the red vibrations and The Baron's audible coughing. Also gas would fill the room since the guards immediately closed the doors, and everybody else in the room starts to suffocate as soon as the gas is released, without time to even react to The Baron.
Conclusion? Denis is a fricking moron, along with everybody else on set who let this crappy scene get produced. I'm sure the editor wished he had a cyanide capsule while watching the footage.
>Conclusion? Denis is a fricking moron, along with everybody else on set who let this crappy scene get produced.
They already gave you a decent explanation but you will never accept that.
>decent explanation
Where?
The Baron is shown to activate the shield, and that he flew away.
You saying "nu-huu that doesn't count" it's just you being an obtuse moron with an axe to grind.
don't register gas, or at least not when it's as slow moving as the cyanide was, as evidence by the red vibrations and The Baron's audible coughing. Also gas would fill the room since the guards immediately closed the doors, and everybody else in the room starts to suffocate as soon as the gas is released, without time to even react to The Baron.
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>the red vibrations
That is there to show you the baron has been partially affected. They tried to make it moron-proof, not taking account people worse than morons.
>partially affected
That's when shields have a blue/red reverb. Red is specifically always used for when the shield is completely penetrated. This is shown pretty frequently, Gurney's training session with Paul and Duncan Idaho's last stand being notable examples.
Any other theories?
it's just halo tier shit the cgi people invented.
No, you see the red even when paul just toys with the knife.
Why don't you just give up?
What scene are you referring to?
>Why don't you just give up?
Where's the fun in that? Also, because I'm right.
>Where's the fun in that? Also, because I'm right.
Nah, you started from a conclusion (film bad because Black folk) then built a tower of bullshit to justify your hate.
I already said I didn't care about Zendaya. The least offensive part of the production in my opinion.
I said it was strange, not a plot hole. The scene itself has no real relevance to the plot. It's essentially filler.
Anyway, what is a sand compactor?
>Anyway, what is a sand compactor?
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Plus the tent scene with Jessica.
Oh, the thumpers. Yeah I remember those. What do they have to do with dudes hidden in sand?
It's not the thumpers you fricking moron. Rewatch the tent scene. That's the tech.
>You sure you can read, my man?
They are cutting the rock not aiming it at people.
They go there specifically looking for people. It's essentially an ICE raid, except some dude has a shield and is BTFOing Imperial soldiers, which is unexpected and the situation should, in theory, be treated with added caution.
I don't know which tent scene you're referencing, the one with the vision? I don't remember if they talk about the sand compactors in that scene. I'm sure you could explain it pretty quickly however.
Anon, what happens in the tent? Why must be everything explained to you morons?
Aren't you shown that Fremen tech can move and manipulate sand?
So it's a shovel? What does that have to do with anything? I wasn't questioning how the dudes got in the sand, I was questioning the purpose.
Granted, it's not ever mentioned in the films, but I'm pretty sure nuking themselves is not part of the plan. Hell, maybe it was? What do I know.
>the situation should, in theory, be treated with added caution
Not really - they are killing everyone.
Isn't the flying, breathing orb with tubes from second movie meant to show that he was badly injured by the gas? He doesn't even leave his wheelchair after that.
In the book, it wasn't explained either. He just kind of didn't feel the effects as Pitor did. Maybe cause he's so fat that it took longer for the poison to travel to his bloodstream before being nullified?
He's so fat it formed a small atmosphere around him instead of entering his lungs.
>The Baron is so fricking fat he has a gravitation pull massive enough to cause the gas to orbit him
Now this. This I can believe.
Dune was never good.
It was always woke atheist israelite propaganda.
It’s an interesting tension in the franchise that Herbert wants to tell a story of boundless human potential where individual differences matter for the overall course of things, but to do so has to bend the setting almost double
>Duncan and Gurney’s personal skill can train a house above the Sardaukar… because only hand to hand combat is the main way of war
>the Fremen and Sardaukar are so strong because they adapted to a harsh environment…that didn’t just kill them outright
>humans can do everything a computer can…because they went to school???
>you can cross-breed godly scholar athletes…because memories change the DNA enough to be read past death
>you can see the future and multiply your life span…because of magic worm jizz
>wait, but actually you can block prescience because there’s just a protein that does that, get out-evolutioned! This is exactly how prey species are known to evolve jet engines and A-bombs when under selection pressure for ~50 breeding periods
>you can see the future
They ackshckshually kinda CALCULATE the future.
>except for the shielded aircraft that got blown up with rockets
I imagine that if they had every soldier wielding explosive projectiles, things would deteriorate quite quickly, especially if your men get hit, and then that sets off the explosives they're carrying.
for the shielded Leto that got shot with a dart anyway
They were using special darts designed to penetrate shields slowly. Impractical for mass usage.
for the fact that nobody's using shields in the desert so you might as well use guns
They do have guns. moron.
The shields protect against high velocity projectiles. A 1911 wouldn't do shit. A 50 cal bmg wouldn't penetrate the shield. If they swing their swords too fast, it won't do anything. It is specifically stated in the book they train to use their blades in a manner that allows them to cut through, slower swings and stabs with less force. Fighting without a shield requires an adjustment on Paul's part.
for the shielded Leto that got shot with a dart anyway
The dart got leto because it was slow enough to pass through the shield.
for the shielded aircraft that get blown up with rockets, mines, and nukes
The rockets in dune (first one atleast) are depicted as slowing upon contact with the shield in order to pass through. In dunc 2 they seem to contradict themselves within a scene by stating the shields need to be lowered while also having the rocket make it through the shield. Idk man. Inconsistent.
Also, mines only destroy the mining crawlers and they specifically aren't shielded.
for the fact that nobody's using shields in the desert so you might as well use guns
Ya. A lot of people get shot in the second one because they aren't wearing shields. Did you even watch it? Oh...wait... of course you didn't.
>Ya. A lot of people get shot in the second one because they aren't wearing shields. Did you even watch it? Oh...wait... of course you didn't.
Not that anon but if they can basically use projectile weapons with impunity, why do they spring out of the sand and run straight towards the Sardaukar with knives?
I guess they were trying to really build up the Fremen as a freak army that could plausibly conquer multiple planets over the course of 12 years, but I think Denis just let the VFX department do whatever they wanted in the Arakeen battle.
>The dart got leto because it was slow enough to pass through the shield.
I think part of the issue is that it just barely makes it through, and again with ambiguous resistance. It's designed to go through, but almost fails. Also begs the question of why people don't use these in the battlefield. Sure, a gun won't work, but why not a poison-tipped arrow? or just a bunch of tiny drones flying at people to stab them with syringes full of cancer.
>The rockets in dune (first one atleast) are depicted as slowing upon contact with the shield in order to pass through
I thought the idea was that they were slowing due to the reverberation of the shield, as if they were suspended in velocity, maybe losing some over time as they're stuck, which ironically results in the projectile eventually passing through. This itself begs a multitude of questions. If you have projectiles that can automatically reduce velocity upon contact with shields, why not always use them? If it's the other way around, and a shield will not actually deflect or richochet a projectile, but simply slow it down to the point it passes through, then why not use guns all the time? Either way this shit makes no sense. Only thing they seem to "protect" against is lasers, albeit in a potentially self-destructive manner. Funnily enough, that's not actually even established in the movies, and while lasers are used only twice (I think, maybe there are some in that clusterfrick finale of Part Two) they're used haphazardly and with no concern.
In dunc 2, the harkonnen men use laser pretty frequently throughout. Seems likely because they are facing fremen that don't use shields.
I'm pretty sure the space arabs just like knife fighting.
I'll dumb it down for you, so you don't have to read all these Autist Analysis posts;
Warfare in the future is basically Rock, Paper, Scissors in the form of Shields, Lasers, Swords.
That's it.
>introduce cool fighter jets on kaladan to show how cool a character is
>doesn't use it on Arrakis the entire movie
Ehh, it's fine, it was too expensive to get guild to transport them, or sand fricks with the engine I guess
>show entire squad flying from harkonen base to escort the emperor in second movie
Oh, for fricks sake...
Maybe we'll see them on the Jihad in the next one.
Only when the projectiles can penetrate the shields at low speed
leave your phone and watch the movies paying attention or stick to your regular capeshit
>watch the movies paying attention
I will if you read the thread
Don't care, they made Chani ugly.
>so why can't they just use shields against the guys who use no shields
>because... um..... uh.......... the worms dont like it!!!
Weird how Herbert's whole gay philosophy only works when he makes all these convenient loopholes
>Thumpers, Harvesters, and Walking in general attract worms whereupon they bumrush your ass and then everything in radius gets consumed. Shields also attract worms, but it makes them go crazy, so people don't use them.
>>What do they do differently when they're crazy?
>
I genuinely do not understand this. I'm fine with loopholes to create limitations, but you gotta at least put some effort into explaining it. Do these sand wieners start flopping around? Do they leave their territory and specifically go on the offensive? Does it make them cause earthquakes that could potentially destroy harvesting grounds, if not Arrakis' in general? What the frick are the stakes goddammit?
The worms are normally territorial so with harvesters, walking, etc. you only have to worry about the one which the fremen have shown adept at evading. A shield meanwhile attracts every worm around for miles and they'll cross eachothers territories to destroy it so you're dealing with like 5 worms converging on you from every angle
Okay, that makes sense. Just for the sake of argument, in context, if you're escorting a harvester on foot (for some reason) what difference is one worm, versus five? Either way you have to evac.
Some other anon mentioned in another thread that you could theoretically just have the shield off, then if the Fremen start attacking you could just flip it on.
Then again, I personally don't get how Fremen ambushes on harvesters even occur. How do thopters designed to rapidly scout the harvesting area not ever see a group of sand homies approaching?
It's all so tiresome.
the fremen lay spice traps when they see a harvester in the distance
What the frick's a spice trap? Only thing I remember from the movie is some dudes hidden in the sand, which struck me as strange, but I was pretty checked out by that point. Reminded me of those natives hidden in the walls from Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
>which struck me as strange
>what is a sand compactor
fricking morons, they have to explain you every single correlation otherwise you scream plot hole.
What a generation of braindead morons.
like they just spread it out on the sand, iirc in the book gurney asks paul if there was even a lot of spice there and he says no, it was bait
How are a bunch of desert morons going to take over the galaxy? The planet is literally blockaded by the other noble houses, what good are knives and worms going to do?
And when they get to planets where everyone is fine using shields, how are they going to win?
>Paul is prescient he just knows how to win
Sure, but does he just talk some of the noble houses into siding with him?
>blockaded
The Spacing Guild fall into Paul's pocket since they know he could destroy the spice with the Water of Death, and with them on his side nobody else can travel space. Meanwhile the Landsraad has accepted peace with Paul since he is carrying things out legally by marrying Shaddam IV's daughter so there's nothing for them to immediately fight about. The Jihad comes later when the Fremen want to spread the word of Muad'Dib to the infidels.
100% if Zendaya wasn't on this movie and the movie was unpopular this board would be creaming their pants about the movie.
>Popular thing bad
They hate Zendaya and Black person Liet.
The rest is making up excuses with the most forced takes ever like this drooling moron.
I didn't mind Zendaya. The character's portrayal sucked, but I don't blame her for that. Everybody was a soul suck except for Jason Momoa, who seemed to be having fun. Shame that energy wasn't able to translate to Aquaman 2, cause damn was that movie hard to watch.
Anyway. Dune still sucked. Part Two had a comparatively attractive lady and was even worse, and her character was rendered completely moot so that made it exponentially worse.
in the second dune book paul cucks princess irulan and continues to live with his commonlaw fremen wife chani. both his wife and mistress live in the fortress with him. pretty based
read the book. none of the movies knew how to represent it. the dunc movies are pure shit. more like chani sidequests
The book is 4/10 prose elevated by some trippy scenes
>thinks the book the movie is based on sucks while trying to defend the movie still somehow
I wasn't defending the movie. I haven't watched it.
>more like chani sidequests
confirmed for only being mad at Zendaya.
>Everyone is shooting massive explosives and lasers at each others vehicles and then dismounting to fight with regular swords.
That sounds like absolute kino
those are the only redeeming parts of either dunc movie, the space battles. any scene with lasers or projectile weapons in it is pretty decent. that's maybe 20-30 minutes of runtime.
I just wish the Climactic Battle had been interesting and not a 2003-tier blob fight. Instead of a culminating battle with all the technology and tactics we've seen so far it's just two walls of spacemen running at each other, which was a shame because the opening with the sandworm assault was neat.
It's one thing for the Sardaukar to job, it's another thing for them to just stand around.
that scene in the book is pretty glossed over too. it's supposed to just wash over you in a flash, without leaving you time to take it in. i think it's fine, i have many more complaints about paul's duel with feyd afterwards.
I wish the left in letos affair with the baron when they were young lovers having an affair
yah they neutered the story to make it have mass appeal. fricking pathetic. pg 13 dune movies, frick off with that bullshit
because there something about two dudes pulling up with their blades in the middle of ships blowing up, people shooting, and nukes going off in the background
>I don't understand
that's all you had to say
why were the flying scenes so bad? you can practically see the wires that are hoisting them up.
>hundreds of feet above ground-level
>on top of solid rock at that
>can't use shields because "le worms", as if any worm could reach them there
dogshit scene
I bet this is real tech were actually seeing used in this film, under the guise of being "fictitious"
@198545084
>lol I bet I'll get (you)'s if I'm a giant gay haha
i can't be the only one who noticed how fake and lazy the flying was in Dunc: Part Deux
I don't even remember it to be honest. What I do remember is how goofy the worm assault on the Emperor's encampment was. That shit had me dying. The worms really got done dirty. They went from being kinda dangerous, like giant territorial geese, to effectively just being Pokémon. All despite only having like five minutes of screentime.
Where's Anakin when you need him? Sand "people" are so goddamn boring.
>I don't even remember it to be honest. What I do remember is how goofy the worm assault on the Emperor's encampment was. That shit had me dying. The worms really got done dirty. They went from being kinda dangerous, like giant territorial geese, to effectively just being Pokémon. All despite only having like five minutes of screentime.
Is this a critique concerning the book, too? If not, you are an hypocrite.
It's in the book but it's done in a badass way. Every film adaptation so far makes the worm riding look like neverending story. It's simply a book that should never be adapted to film. It's cursed in cinema. The only Dune books that should be allowed film rights are the Brian Herbert sequels
I haven't read the entire book, so no. I have no opinion on the book beyond discussions with a good friend of mine who is currently on Children of Dune. He likes to talk about it, so I listen.
i wish zoomies would turn off the modernslop and start reading old based fricking books
The duality of stupidity
> i don't understand
>"The slow blade passes the shield."
>proceed to whip, slash, and stab faster than the eye can track the entire time and kill eachother
more like
>the slow brain passes through the casting director
I want to see sonic tanks and devestators. Is that on the movie?
Answer me!!!!
Read the book Black person
>>>Cinemaphile - Television and Film
'no'
OP claims to have issues with the universe and than basis his complaints on a movie adaptation. His answers do, in fact, lie in the books.
I'm watching this rn and holy shit I cannot stand how heavily they rely on the fantasy language. That and shamlamayayyy can't do aggressive/angry acting. It's like watching my little cousins trying to be tough.
DUNC sucks
God Emperor adaptation when? I think the world is ready for Leto II.
For a series that prizes "spice" as something so unfathomably priceless in value that they outright worship the worms that create it (not that most humans even know what creates it, but never mind that!), Frank cannot seem to write how it could actually affect anyone but the top highest tiers of the most powerful clans in the most rare circumstances and the outright frenzy humans would be willing to go through in order to obtain even a taste of what ever "spice" even is.
He describes it as something that basically essential to daily life, but NO ONE has access to it.
He describes it as something that only the most powerful dictators can obtain it, yet there are entire clans of "people" who outright bathe in it 24/7 (hi, Navigators).
He describes it as a panacea, but it solves FRICKING NOTHING and only creates addiction and a temporary high, apparently.
He describes it as perfect, yet it's available to no one... yet it's available whenever anyone wants it? And everyone wants it. But no one can have it.
It's bad plot. Even worse, I'd say, than "no, you can't create computers because robots will kill us all." So much for powerful humans! And how convenient!!!!! ALL humans obey the order of "don't!"
Bullshit.